We Should Be Fine

Special thanks to Raphael Rossellini for writing this take and giving us the privilege to add it to GetGarnett.com. Again, if you guys see anything Lakers related that you think deserves to be put up, just e-mail us at GetGarnett@gmail.com.

It is a sad day in Lakerland for many, we fans have waited years, YEARS, to land Garnett, but he now will reside in Boston, it is official.

However, there is still something that some have not considered, something, that will make us feel better…

Why should we gut our team to get Garnett? If we had to trade for Garnett straight up, it would have to be Lamar Odom, Andrew Bynum, Kwame Browm, Jordan Farmar, Mo Evans, and several picks, does that sound fair? Of course not,we would be gutted, GUTTED!

What would happen if Kobe’s ankle gets twisted again? could we rely on Garnett, because Garnett with no Kobe is not much better than what he had in Minnesota.

What can be worse than losing Garnett? It would definatly be him going to our arch rivals in the east, the Celtics. What seemed impossible after Garnett said “NO” to being traded to the Celtics, he changed his mind with the newly added Ray Allen, and he would take kind to the idea of being traded there, and, it was the inevitable. Boston had many young players and a fat expiring contract of Theo Ratliff but it seems like the deal couldn’t have been done without the young and promising Al Jefferson.

Should we cry over losing Garnett to the C’s? Absolutely not, they made there team unreliable now. They now have a bunch ball-hogs who need the ball to score, and basically, they have no passers.

Also, look at their “stars”, Paul Pierce is another person that needs to score to be effective, and missed many games due to injuries last season, his tank is running low. Ray Allen, who was a great shooter, but again, he had surgery on BOTH ankles and missed many games last season, plus, he seems to be loosing his touch a little bit. And finally, Garnett, a great post up player, can shoot the mid-range and the occasional three, but, he is getting old, plus, he seems like an injury waiting to happen.

Do you see the pattern?

All of the Celtics “stars” are old, injury prone, and require the ball constantly. Be realistic, who do the Celtics have when a player gets injured to back them up that can perform, NO ONE, it is basically a three man rotation. What happens in five years? By then, all of the “stars” will be old and shabby, with no one else that can emerge. Atleast, the Lakers will have Java, Farmar, Luke, Bynum and several others that can emerge to be great.

Should we blame the Lakers Front Office? No, they are not responsible for this. After listening to the first question, I hope you realize that it would not be for the best if the Lakers traded for Garnett. Sure, Kobe and Garnett may sound amazing, and you can imagine the power of that duo, but then, what would happen if Garnett or Kobe got injured, it would be horrible. What if the Lakers traded for JO, it would make us average again and not elite. There was no possible way the Lakers could get a dominant big man this off-season.

Did Kevin Garnett want money or a championship? I think this is an easy one. There is no way Boston is an automatic contender with three aging players and scrubs, the only reason he did the trade, is because he would get a five year 105 million dollar extension. If he wanted a championship, he would’ve stayed in ‘Sota for one more year being a “teacher”, then opt out and sign for the MLE with a team like Suns, Bulls, or Mavericks and be a real contender and not something that seems amazing in paper.

What should the Lakers do this off-season? The best option would be to sign Chris Webber, that would be the best. A veteran that doesn’t cost much, great passer, be great in the triangle, and basically free.

Should we be angry if nothing else happens? Answers may vary, but I say no. Look at it this way. Lamar, Luke, Kwame, and especially Wolfman (Radmonivic). All were injured and didn’t do that well. If none do well, they will obviously be traded sooner or later. This almost guarentees a break-out season. Plus, Andrew, and Farmar will become more reliable, and Java.

If Utah Jazz can get to the Western Conference Finals with an okay post-presence and a developing point-guard, we should be able to do it too with the greatest player on this planet, a point guard with the same potential, and a solid post presence in Mihm… We should be fine.

Let Boston have their fun, they are not even in our conference and no way able to win a championship with no chemistry. We will have a great season, if not, we can get one of the star free-agents that are available next season. We will be fine and we will have a greater season if we had received Garnett in the first place.

Jaime is the co-owner and Operating Director for LakerNation.com from Alhambra, CA. He's help create the official websites for Kevin Durant and Goodwin Sports. Currently, he's the Online Producer for FOX Sports Radio and AM570 KLAC.
  • http://myspace.com/crunklilgangsta LiL_K

    didnt read it all but we should be fine if we get JO for bynum kwame farmar and picks

    fisher/Java
    Kobe/Mo
    Odom/luke
    JO/turiaf
    Mihm/webber ( sign him)

  • nyla

    Well said.

  • kb24.com

    i agree ………… i just hope kobe shows up @ summer camp ;)

  • kobeguru

    hey the nugget, can you edit the last sentence to
    We will be fine and have a greater season even if we didn’t GetGarnett
    -raphael

  • http://www.myspace.com/ericthaimyshoe Eric Thai

    Very refreshing from all this Garnett news. Good read !

  • raphaelr

    [quote comment="10329"]Very refreshing from all this Garnett news. Good read ![/quote]
    thanks, I never really felt emotional about KG leaving, but, I wanted people to feel fine.

  • Justin M.

    That is if we have Kobe, It’s simple, You can’t trade Kobe, you just can’t. No reason would justify it. Kobe Bryant is the best player on the PLANET, not just in the NBA, and the Buss family is lucky to have him on their team. The Buss family and Mitch need to sit down and talk with Kobe and do whatever he wants them to do that’s in their power. That may sound unreasonable, but is it? It’s not like he’s an aging all star, he’s one of the best players to play the game and he’s in his prime!!!!!!!! They need to do whatever they can to make Kobe want to be a Laker again, we all want him to. Be realistic, most Lakers fans 20 and under are Lakers fans because of Kobe and Shaq, we already traded one.

  • cyrus

    Thank you Raphael Rossellini. Very inspiring article. That really sums up the situation and I hope it puts an end to the whining and complaining.

    Hey F.J, great talking to you today, hope to see you soon.

  • raphaelr

    Kobe won’t sit out, he apologized to mitch. Besides, where has Ric Bucher been lately? Sitting out would hurt his image, and he would not be payed and be fined by the lakers. I can assure you, Kobe will never be traded, and the busses know what is right, and that is to not do stupid moves or trade kobe. Trust in the FO

  • http://www.lakers.com Ed

    I can’t take it anymore, I have to say something. Those of you who think that it was Kobe’s fault that we didn’t get Garnett are retarded. Can’t you guys see what is going on? Obviously, Kobe and KG are not going to be friends after what happen with KG signing with the Celtics. Garnett is a little ticked off at Kobe, because Kobe probably ended their long frienship. Garnett in a dirty way to get back at Kobe, tried to blame Kobe for him not signing with the Lakers. Think about it. What better way for KG to get back at Kobe than turning the city of Los Angeles against them. KG is obviously lieing about the whole thing. You know how I Know? Because, even Ric Bucher, who hates Kobe with all his heart, said that if the Lakers got KG, “Kobe would at least stop, and reconsider being traded!!” If Ric Bucher can say something positive about Kobe than that means that Kobe and KG did talk together, and Kobe told KG that he would stay if KG came to the Lakers. KG said it himself in the conference, that he felt like the Celtics had the best chance of winning a championship and that is why he chose the Celtics. I know for a fact that KG is lieing to get back at Kobe because he knows their friendship is over!!!!

  • http://www.getgarnett.com Fred A.

    Kobe once again is showing his brilliant mind he knows he wants KG, but we got to gut the roster out to get KG. Kobe is smartt again to screw this one up. Cause getting KG its not really improving the roster. The Celtics will be understanding this in the future. Kobe knows what he is doing. They should just change the name of this site to GOT2CHANGEKOBESMIND.COM or APPEASETHEKOBE.COM(orAPPEASEDAKOBE.COM) but I am sorry if I am offending someone.
    [quote comment="10323"]didnt read it all but we should be fine if we get JO for bynum kwame farmar and picks

    fisher/Java
    Kobe/Mo
    Odom/luke
    JO/turiaf
    Mihm/webber ( sign him)[/quote]

    This is what I am talking about!!!!!!
    I love this LiL_K!!!!!!

  • shakobe

    guys have some faith were laker fans we always find a way out of a jam, everything will fall into its place just give it llittle more time trust me, remmber when a door closes a window opens! keep the laker pride up and have a good night ill talk to you guys tomorrow.

  • LAL4LIFE

    [quote comment="10340"] remmber when a door closes a window opens![/quote]

    So that’s why my house is so damn cold at night…

  • lakersssss

    inKobeWeTrust.com

  • raphaelr

    hey gg staff, this is an article from si that basically says what I did in this article, except without a laker biased :P

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/chris_ekstrand/07/31/garnett.celtics/index.html

  • double

    I still feel like major changes need to be made. The “We Should Be Fine” note is an optimistic thought, but I bet you no one in Boston is bummed about their current roster. In fact, sports bars must be crazy in Boston with all the major sports additions including Moss to the Pats and Gagne to the Red Sox. We need that excitement in LA. Plus, the Lakers went into this off-season with the entire roster “available” excluding Kobe. Would it be disappointing if all but Smush returned? I know we got Fisher, Coby and Java, but that shouldn’t make us comfortable… and Webber is not the answer.

    Boston had 24 wins last season… Now their considered to be one of the best teams in the east. One offseason can make the difference.

  • raphaelr

    tell me this, many boston bloggers are very unhappy with the trade, why? Basically, boston got screwed in this deal. THe only young talent they have is rajon rondo, seriously, that isn’t a lot to depend on. Chemistry is another factor, since when have these three players played for 5 seasons together? Boston isn’t great yet, I project a 4 or 5 seed.

  • schnide

    WE DON’T NEED A TRADE. sign chris webber, if possible, and we have a very competitive squad on the floor. well we need to drop a couple guys too since we can’t go with 16 obviously

  • http://www.youtube.com/darkice18 dark_ice18

    JUST FINISHED MY NEW KOBE MIX HERE YOU GO!!!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SgUHlOKCYI

  • MambaKB24

    in the future boston is screwed, but as for now there on top of the world

    think about

    the 3 major sports in America can all end up being hogged by beantown

    in football the pats are a sure lock for the superbowl
    just imagine what brady is going to do with both moss and stallworth
    especially after throwing for 4000 yards with no name recievers

    in baseball the sox are havin a great year
    there gonna remain a good 6-12 gammes away from the yanks for the rest of the season
    and with the Ganye addition, the are sure to patch any holes in their pitching
    just wait till Manny Ramirez comes along, not to mention Big Papi isnt even having the best year, but he can catch fire any time soon

    and finally the F-ing (no profanity, i know) celtics
    the hear baby peirce cry
    they aquire the best shooter in the leage on draft day
    and they bring the biggest ticket in the leage onthe last day of april

    i dont care what you think, peirce allen KG = better than lebron

    and thats all they need to advance to the finals

    and if they match up against a suprise Utah or Houston, they got 3 big rings to hand out

    not tell me, after not winning in 20 years, do you not think that putting yourself in the possition for a golden opportunity and winning a championship for a good 2-3 years worth potential youth?

    just ask the wolves, because their roster has become the “what would have been” celtics

    and see who does better in the long run

    the celtics will have more wins next eyar than the wolves will have in the next 3 years

    so basicly, LA is on the bad half of the rilvary

    now dont get me wrong, im a die hard LA fan

    but other than useless hockey, which is ignored by everyone but canada, we have zero

    actually, we have 24, kobe

    and if he goes, than the angles better finish what theyve started and bud selig better move a team to LA because the lakers are dead from that point on and the clipps were a one hit wonder

    thank you and goodnight

    remember to tip your waitress

    oh, and please comment back on this

    im curious to hear what you think

  • Neo-Laker Era

    Beautiful video dark. I love the slow motion. We are able to really see how fluid and amazing his movements truly are. I love the clip against the Rockets where he got hit at LEAST 6 (I counted) times and still managed to hang onto the ball and get off a shot. Simply extraordinary…

  • http://freewebs.com/themanipon FlenFlyss

    Boston Celtics: Home of the Aged

  • Rpoc

    JO/Gasol or bust.

  • lakerfan81

    [quote post="672"]WE DON’T NEED A TRADE. sign chris webber, if possible, and we have a very competitive squad on the floor. well we need to drop a couple guys too since we can’t go with 16 obviously[/quote]

    We still only have 14 spots not fifteen. Coby Karl was only given an invite to training camp. He does not have a guaranteed contract and it will be very difficult for him to make the team.

  • nba analyst

    Interesting take and grounded in reality, because there really aren’t going to be many alternatives. A deal for O’Neal isn’t going to happen unless Odom is part of the package…..and the Lakers ought not to include Odom and Bynum for O’Neal…..it isn’t worth it. Artest is not going to be traded within the Western Conference.

    So the team is what it is. We’ll have to see if it all works out. Will Kobe become a cancer? While some will answer he already is…but if I’m the FO, you’ve got to start to consider to move him, tear down the ship and rebuild. Move him before you *have to*…….

  • Fan of the Mamba

    Dark,

    Thanks for the video. I knew he was the best in the world, your video mix is proof positive as to why he’s the best in the world. Lebron, Melo nor Wade have the offensive moves or jumpshooting range of Kobe Bryant.

    As far as Garnett, he has to do what he thinks is best for him. I believe Kobe will be back, reluctantly but he will be back.

    And he’ll play hard as he always does and we’ll see what happens.

    Go Lakers!

  • Ben The Lakers Fan

    I agree with getting C Webb & get Artest if we can, get rid of Cook if Possible to make room for Artest..

    We Will Be Fine !

    I def DO NOT trust in the front office, but i do trust in the heart of some of our players, Kobe, Odom, Luuuke, Fish, Mihm, Mo & Turiaf ..

    If we stay healhty we should make it to the western finals and prob play San Anton, Dallas chokes & we CAN beat the Suns if healhty …

    Go Lakers !

  • http://www.myspace.com/fabezee fabz24lakers

    great article…we should just move on….

  • ONE

    good article, but feel better about what?
    According to KG, and Minnesota, we never had a chance. And I always thought this wouldn’t happen, Why would they want to strengthen a team in the west(assuming we would get stronger).
    Should we feel better? yes, but just because Twolves got weaker. But in reality we shouldnt feel better, unless we land another big guy, without losing 2(odom and Bynum). I think our best 3 shots would be Gasol, Artest or Webber. O’neal would be good, but not if we have to give up Odom. Cuz then We would be searching for a 3rd man. But who knows, maybe the Lakers become more attractive having Oneal and Kobe(see Ray allen going to the Celtics), But im sure nobody would want to trade with us, plus we would have nobody to make a possible trade…
    Bottom line, we should go after the more realistic options, Gasol, Artest or Webber.

  • Keep lamar

    I Hope We Get JO Keep Lamar THEN we should be fine

  • http://www.myspace.com/kastro323 KINGKOBE24

    STOP POSTING SHI* ABOT KG OK WE DINTGET HIM I, WE GET IT.

  • mlkg721

    This is a very optimistic articel, but none the less its B.S. Firstly, we can sit here and lie to ourselves like boston isn’t a contender in the east. If you know basketball, then you know that Ray allen is a lot better than just a shooter who still has 2-3 years left in the tank. Pierce is one of the most underatted stars in the L who can win games by himself, and Garnett is Garnett. They sacraficed their future, but if they get a ring in the process, is that really that bad? I don’t think so. Praying that the young scrubs on the lakers become great is a long shot. Bynum is soft as tissue and I think there is too much pressure on him to be great in L.A. he’s playing for a team that had the three best centers the game has ever seen, those are big shoes to fill. Farmar is no Deron williams nor does he have the potiential to be. And boozer is better than just an “ok” post precense.We have to start being real as fans and look at how much the F.o. has really messed up. They became content with being a sub-par team as long as the seats were being filled and the money was rolling in. But Kobe is a winner, and he cant take being with a losing product for much longer. They have not put themselves in position to be good now or in the future. Every fan is hyped of their teams young talent, but if we step outside the box and actually look at our team, you’ll see that our young talent is not that great.

  • ONE

    We can debate weather sacificing your future(Boston) is better than sacrificing your present(Lakers)….Whatever, What you CANNOT do is sacrifie the best player in the league, hoping Bynum gets better. By the time Bynum is good(if he is) Kobe wont be as good anymore…

  • mlkg721

    [quote post="672"]Whatever, What you CANNOT do is sacrifie the best player in the league, hoping Bynum gets better. By the time Bynum is good(if he is) Kobe wont be as good anymore…[/quote]

    Exactly, Kobe can’t wait for bynum, and drafting him was stupid in the first plays. the moves that the F.O have made have been so terrible. From not gettin one allstar for shaq, trading Caron Butler for Kwame Brown, signing Vlad to that ridiculous cotnract, not trading for kidd, relying too much on Odom, and all in all not knowing what players to put around Kobe. When Iversonwas in philly and winning, they knew exactly what type of players would mesh with his game. the lakers build around the damn triangle offense and not their best player. its ridiculous.

  • AP43real

    Im sorry but I thought this article was straight up garbage. I mean thanks for trying to spread some light, but saying boston is washed up sounds crazy, if those three can play without injury thats a hell of a squad in the weak east were a one man show made it to the finals last year. I also think JO would be a nice addition but whatever. Also Chris Webber would be nice had we got garnett or JO but he folded completely in the playoffs so my trust in him has gone way down. Yes I do feel the Lakers will be fine in the long run, but Boston is by no means wack! I dunno, just wasnt really feeling your article homeboy sorry!

  • AP43real

    [quote comment="10375"]This is a very optimistic articel, but none the less its B.S. Firstly, we can sit here and lie to ourselves like boston isn’t a contender in the east. If you know basketball, then you know that Ray allen is a lot better than just a shooter who still has 2-3 years left in the tank. Pierce is one of the most underatted stars in the L who can win games by himself, and Garnett is Garnett. They sacraficed their future, but if they get a ring in the process, is that really that bad? I don’t think so. Praying that the young scrubs on the lakers become great is a long shot. Bynum is soft as tissue and I think there is too much pressure on him to be great in L.A. he’s playing for a team that had the three best centers the game has ever seen, those are big shoes to fill. Farmar is no Deron williams nor does he have the potiential to be. And boozer is better than just an “ok” post precense.We have to start being real as fans and look at how much the F.o. has really messed up. They became content with being a sub-par team as long as the seats were being filled and the money was rolling in. But Kobe is a winner, and he cant take being with a losing product for much longer. They have not put themselves in position to be good now or in the future. Every fan is hyped of their teams young talent, but if we step outside the box and actually look at our team, you’ll see that our young talent is not that great.[/quote]

    See I agree with about 95% of that, the other 5% is my optimism on our young cats actually becoming solid nba players

  • http://www.lakers.com Ed

    Nugget, when are we going to officially change the name of the site? Have you guys thought of anything yet? Can you let us all know what’s going on?

  • http://www.lakers.com Ed

    I think we can still get Kidd. The reason we didn’t get Kidd was because we didn’t want to trade Bynum. I think we trade Bynum and fillers for Kidd right now. Just a suggestion. Let me know what you guys think.

  • mlkg721

    [quote comment="10385"]I think we can still get Kidd. The reason we didn’t get Kidd was because we didn’t want to trade Bynum. I think we trade Bynum and fillers for Kidd right now. Just a suggestion. Let me know what you guys think.[/quote]

    Sorry Ed, we missed our chance at Kidd. NJ took him off the trading block. That would’ve really helped our team because i know Kidd would’ve got Kobe the ball in his sweet spots and Lamar would’ve been able to excel as well. Plus he’s a great defender. But thats a pipe dream now too, the Laker F.O. was foolish to think theat they had a goldmine in Bynum. He has potiential, o doubt, but when you ahve aplayer in his prime you cant wait on potiential. It dont work.

  • D. Imhoff

    The Why Of It? We can speculate all summer on why we did not “GET GARNETT”, but to what end! What is the best thing to do now! Certainly not point fingers. Here is something interesting to ponder. We never heard any indication that KG wanted to be a Laker. We have heard from several diferent sources that JO does want to be a Laker. We also know Indy needs guards, a shooter, and inside help. Right now the Lakers have a surplus of guards, a shooter in Vlad, and Andrew Bynum. Throw in contracts to make the numbers match and we may have something. Or, we wait until mid year to see how the present group work together without the injuries of last year. In any event I believe that we have made efforts and will continue to do so. I believe that Mitch and the Busses are people of Integrity and want to be sucessful. The Laker front office has awhole lot more at stake here than I do. Lets not do something just to do something. No matter who is on the Lakers come opening day they will be MY Team! I rooted for them when it was Jerry and Elgin, Magic and Kareem, Shaq and Kobe, Kobe and Lamar and for every confirguration inbetween. I will not stop now. Lets relax we have time. If this year’s team does well we will all be celebrating, if it does not do well that will be the time for serious action. For now I am going to enjoy the fact we have the best player of this generation at least for this year and hopefully beyond this year. I hope we sweep the Celtics and Minny. It would be SWEET, to beat the Celtics in the Finals. Every year MR. Cub, Ernie Banks, would predict that the Cubs Would Win the World Series,saddly he never did, but I admire the spirit. We Laker fans are just as spirited and loyal. Stay optimistic. “Nothing GREAT has ever been achieved without positve effort and enthusiasm!” GOOOO LAKERS!!!

  • Justin M.

    I’m getting tired of typing in getgarnett.com all the time. You need to change the name asap.

  • cyrus

    Attention GetGarnett Staff,

    It would be just fair if you would let us know what your intentions are. You have been suspiciously silent. What is happing? Please give us some sign of live, your bloggers deserve to know what will happen to this site????
    Are you planning to continue under the same name?
    Will you change the name? If yes, when?
    Do you have doubts to continue at all?

    Please be fair and let us know. I believe, I am speaking on behalf of majority of the bloggers here when I say: WE WANT TO KNOW !!!!!!

  • Fan of the Mamba

    Ed,

    I agree with mlkg721. The time to trade for Kidd has passed. You have to be smart enough and bold enough to make the right moves when they present themselves. Many have said and are saying that Bynum is going to be great, but he doesn’t demonstrate the natural instincts of a Shaq, Kareem, Mourning or even Tyrus Thomas. The fire ain’t in his belly and that’s something you can’t teach.

    I still stand by you can’t make a horse trainer (Jim Buss) a good judge of basketball talent. The decision not to trade Bynum for Kidd was made entirely by Jim Buss. I’m sure if you asked him he believes you can pretty much roll the ball out and get anybody tall and they would make a great team. In fact, much of the Laker’s roster proves that point. LOL!

    We need competent basketball people evaluating talent, trades, potential stars, etc. or the Lakers are in for a very long Celtic like drought.

    I don’t care how old Jason Kidd is, he instantly makes a team better and all they wanted was Bynum and Kwame, as I watched him on the USA Men’s basketball team and during the playoffs, I understand Kobe’s frustration. There is no comparison between having a Jason Kidd on your team and holding on to an Andrew Bynum for what he might be in the future.

    Those GM’s with high basketball IQ would have made that trade in a minute if they were interested in winning now and in the future. Bynum was not the end of the line in terms of future talent for the Lakers. Our FO doesn’t and didn’t possess the BB IQ to know that. And for those who talk about Kidd being injured, well we have that problem right now with much younger players. LO, Kwame, Walton and Mo Evans. Looking at the number of games played by Kidd, LO and Kwame from 2001-2006, Kidd played an average of 75 games per year with one 82 game season and three 80 game seasons. Lamar played an average of 59 games per year with two 80 game seasons played; Kwame played an average of 61 games per year with one 80 game season (02-03) where he only started 20 times during that season.

    Jerry West let Nick Van Exel, Eddie Jones and others go, to make the moves necessary for the three peat cause he knew talent. Even though they never won a playoff series in Memphis they did make the playoffs several years in a row. And they always played the Lakers tough even when we had Shaq. Basketball is a game of tangibles and intangibles, based on what he brings to the table there is no comparison between J. Kidd and Bynum. Just another one we missed on, big time!

  • cyrus

    [quote comment="10389"]Attention GetGarnett Staff,

    It would be just fair if you would let us know what your intentions are. You have been suspiciously silent. What is happing? Please give us some sign of live, your bloggers deserve to know what will happen to this site????
    Are you planning to continue under the same name?
    Will you change the name? If yes, when?
    Do you have doubts to continue at all?

    Please be fair and let us know. I believe, I am speaking on behalf of majority of the bloggers here when I say: WE WANT TO KNOW !!!!!![/quote]

  • somelakerfan1

    i read some of the comments and kno ur saying its KOBES FALT i cant believe u guys though u were kobe loverz not haterz?

    we cant get jo beacause we no were deserate so they would want lamar so we go to plan c and d

    we sign webber and trade kwame vlad shash aand pick for artest

    then we sign andre varouja and shash pabl whatever from clevland

    then will be contenders

    dfsih/jordan/jav
    kobe/mo//shash p
    artest/luke/cook
    lo/turiaf/webber
    varouja/mihm

    and coby carl and sue ya and coby carl plua shwammond and arron

  • BEC

    [quote comment="10375"]This is a very optimistic articel, but none the less its B.S. Firstly, we can sit here and lie to ourselves like boston isn’t a contender in the east. If you know basketball, then you know that Ray allen is a lot better than just a shooter who still has 2-3 years left in the tank. Pierce is one of the most underatted stars in the L who can win games by himself, and Garnett is Garnett. They sacraficed their future, but if they get a ring in the process, is that really that bad? I don’t think so. Praying that the young scrubs on the lakers become great is a long shot. Bynum is soft as tissue and I think there is too much pressure on him to be great in L.A. he’s playing for a team that had the three best centers the game has ever seen, those are big shoes to fill. Farmar is no Deron williams nor does he have the potiential to be. And boozer is better than just an “ok” post precense.We have to start being real as fans and look at how much the F.o. has really messed up. They became content with being a sub-par team as long as the seats were being filled and the money was rolling in. But Kobe is a winner, and he cant take being with a losing product for much longer. They have not put themselves in position to be good now or in the future. Every fan is hyped of their teams young talent, but if we step outside the box and actually look at our team, you’ll see that our young talent is not that great.[/quote]

    Well put mlkg721. I really agree with you on your point with our young talent. Our young talent just isnt that great. Farmar is at best a weak starter, realistically a bench player. He has some good basketball skills and IQ but he wont even come close to competing with the likes of nash, kidd, parker, & deron. His athletic ability is average at best. But he does seem to love to play ball which is a big plus but hes not starter material, just a great backup guard really. And Bynum, he just doesnt seem to have it. He has the potential to be great, the body, size, length, and athletic ability but he DOES NOT have ONE thing that requires one to be great and its that “FIRE” that desire to win and be great. He reminds me of Kwame. I might be wrong but I dont see him ever becoming an elite center in the league, and AT BEST a solid center, a good piece but not someone you build around. Ive watched this guy play and he just doesnt seem to have that natural ability to really become great or even an all star in this league. I really hope i end up being wrong but judging objectively I just dont see it. Cant say much about crit until he actually plays with NBA talent.

  • mlkg721

    [quote comment="10391"]Ed,

    I agree with mlkg721. The time to trade for Kidd has passed. You have to be smart enough and bold enough to make the right moves when they present themselves. Many have said and are saying that Bynum is going to be great, but he doesn’t demonstrate the natural instincts of a Shaq, Kareem, Mourning or even Tyrus Thomas. The fire ain’t in his belly and that’s something you can’t teach.

    I still stand by you can’t make a horse trainer (Jim Buss) a good judge of basketball talent. The decision not to trade Bynum for Kidd was made entirely by Jim Buss. I’m sure if you asked him he believes you can pretty much roll the ball out and get anybody tall and they would make a great team. In fact, much of the Laker’s roster proves that point. LOL!

    We need competent basketball people evaluating talent, trades, potential stars, etc. or the Lakers are in for a very long Celtic like drought.

    I don’t care how old Jason Kidd is, he instantly makes a team better and all they wanted was Bynum and Kwame, as I watched him on the USA Men’s basketball team and during the playoffs, I understand Kobe’s frustration. There is no comparison between having a Jason Kidd on your team and holding on to an Andrew Bynum for what he might be in the future.

    Those GM’s with high basketball IQ would have made that trade in a minute if they were interested in winning now and in the future. Bynum was not the end of the line in terms of future talent for the Lakers. Our FO doesn’t and didn’t possess the BB IQ to know that. And for those who talk about Kidd being injured, well we have that problem right now with much younger players. LO, Kwame, Walton and Mo Evans. Looking at the number of games played by Kidd, LO and Kwame from 2001-2006, Kidd played an average of 75 games per year with one 82 game season and three 80 game seasons. Lamar played an average of 59 games per year with two 80 game seasons played; Kwame played an average of 61 games per year with one 80 game season (02-03) where he only started 20 times during that season.

    Jerry West let Nick Van Exel, Eddie Jones and others go, to make the moves necessary for the three peat cause he knew talent. Even though they never won a playoff series in Memphis they did make the playoffs several years in a row. And they always played the Lakers tough even when we had Shaq. Basketball is a game of tangibles and intangibles, based on what he brings to the table there is no comparison between J. Kidd and Bynum. Just another one we missed on, big time![/quote]

    You hit it right on the naile with that one. Them not making that move for Kidd was sooo crucial. people dont even realize how ready Kidd and Kobe were ready to play with each other. You have to have a eye for talent and know your team. The F.O. doesn’t know what players are gonna be able to excel beside Kobe. Lamar is a bad fit with Kobe, he needs the ball to suceed. how many good games have they had together? I’m sure you can probably count them on one hand. Tha Lakers have really made me realize just how smart of a man Jerry West is. I remember Laker fans being upset, including myself, when we traded EJ and van exel. But I was young and did not see the big picture. Good Gms make deals as stepping stones to get to a deal the reall improve the ball club. The lakers on the otther hand have put themselves in a position where they need a homerun to fix things when all they ahd to do was just get some people on base.

  • http://www.myspace.com/regg66 rpouncy14

    Forgive about KG. Focus on Jermaine O’Neal.

  • Billy Kupchak

    rpuncy14, you are DEFINITELY 14 years old because FORGETTING is better than FORGIVING, ok?

  • http://www.myspace.com/mauhg14 MauHG24

    i like this a lot, its the same hope that i have,
    but i think if the team stay the same, maybe the
    cant sign a star next year, maybe and i hope not
    LA can lose the greatest player on earth!!!! i hope not

  • http://freewebs.com/themanipon FlenFlyss

    Boston will just improve by only 10 wins..they will make the playoffs but of course they won’t succeed..this is a bold statement by the way..

    picking up webber is not a bad option for webber is webber..kobe should like that..

    kobe should attend the lakers’ camp or if not..yikes..childish..but i know he won’t disappoint us..he will join the camp..

    KG will not be on a celtic uniform next year..he will wear purple and gold..for the sparks..hehe..

  • http://freewebs.com/themanipon FlenFlyss

    jermaine o’neal is always visible at posters wherein a little man dunks over him..so i don’t like him to be on the lakers’ team..why not get the chinese bastard..but we will have two chinese players if that happens..rumors said that LA will sign a certain grecian..that’s ok..i always watch international ball..he’s good..i just can’t spell his name..

    hey..nobody is talking about javaris..he’s 6’5..come on..bright future ahead..come on..believe..represent! (huh)

    kobe should stay..

  • Spacedocker

    Aside from the atrocious grammar mistakes in this post, there are several factual errors and inconsistencies. There, they’re, their. Definitely, not definatly.

    [quote post="672"]They now have a bunch ball-hogs who need the ball to score, and basically, they have no passers.[/quote]

    Well, pretty much any player in the NBA needs the ball to score, that’s how the game works. The last I heard, points were not awarded for rebounds or assists. As for having no passers, Garnett has a career apg equal to Kobe at 4.5 with Pierce and Allen falling just short at 3.9.

    [quote post="672"]All of the Celtics “stars” are old, injury prone, and require the ball constantly.[/quote]

    Garnett is only 2 years older than Kobe, Pierce less than a year older, and Ray Allen is 3 years older. Not sure how this really qualifies as old. Mutumbo and Webber are old, not these guys.

    As far as injury prone, Kobe has missed a greater percentage of games over his career than any of the four players mentioned. Kobe has played in 87% of possible games over his career, Allen 87.5%, Pierce (who has played despite losing teeth during a game and getting stabbed shortly before the 00-01 season) 88%, and Garnett 94%.

    If anything, Kobe requires the ball much more than any of the key players mentioned. This is partly due to him being the most effective option on his team. But even Garnett has been criticized for not wanting the ball enough despite being the “Big Ticket” in Minnesota.

    [quote post="672"]Did Kevin Garnett want money or a championship? I think this is an easy one. There is no way Boston is an automatic contender with three aging players and scrubs, the only reason he did the trade, is because he would get a five year 105 million dollar extension.[/quote]

    You would think this would be an easy one if you were correct on your assumption the 5 year extension was a pay increase or even a 5 year extension. The contract is a 3 year extension on the 2 remaining years of his current contract. His current contract called for $22 mil this season and $23 the following season. The extension the Celtics signed him for is $14.6 mil for the 2009-10 season, $17 mil for 2010-11, and $19.4 mil for 2011-12. You really think KG would have only made $51 mil over 3 years if he was on the open market?

    I respect your right to be frustrated about the situation and express your opinions, but you really should double check the facts you use to base your opinions on.

  • rasarx

    I have heard this rose-colored phrase “we should be fine” for such a long time and we haven’t. If we were not fine with this core roster for the past few years, we’re not going to be fine now, especially with an unhappy star (if he stays). They have made one bad move after another, so many of them getting them into a bigger hole than they started with. After all the moves, they have buried themselves in big contracts with people who haven’t worked out and are hard to unload and as a result a diminished ability to make trades. To make it worse, they have handcuffed themselves to the point they can’t really go to the free agent market either. How is it that teams like Detroit, San Antonio and Phoenix end up with more talent and yet smaller overall payrolls (and how some of them end up with much better records AND higher draft picks than LAL)? Name one good and significant trade that this idiotic front office has made in the last 5 years. I may fault Kobe for a lot of things, but when he had his outburst finally it wasn’t because he’s spoiled. It’s because he knows what’s going on, and it’s not good. “We should be fine” is a nicely optimistic view, but sadly, entirely unrealistic and implausible. We are NOT going to be fine unless these idiots can pull a rabbit out of a hat, which will require Buss to reach deep into his man-purse. I won’t hold my breath. Los Angeles, we have a problem.

  • http://freewebs.com/themanipon FlenFlyss

    There’s nothing to be worried about..boston will not be a contender..it’s just hype..like what they are doing to lebron what his last name again?