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#1 GCMD

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Posted March 11, 2019 - 10:08 AM

This post is about perception and reality, exposing the Confirmational Bias.

 
A LOT of the NBA and Lakers Fans were talking about keeping the kids and core around LeBron this past summer to see if the kids could "break out" next to LeBron.
 
A LOT of Lakers fans cried about DEPTH when we could have made moves (or were in discussion) this past summer.
 
 
Now, after almost a season seeing the kids NOT live up to expectations and NOT be worth punting another season, people are attacking LeBron.  Why?  Because they can't believe LeBron didn't take this group to the playoffs?
 
 
 
 
Let's be clear: 
 
YOU GUYS wanted to keep the kids.
YOU GUYS wanted to keep "depth".
YOU GUYS wanted to see if the kids would excel.
 
 
Now YOU GUYS should man-up and admit that asking LeBron to take this team to the playoffs was ALREADY a tall order.  Add in all of the INJURIES and Coaching Staff Blunders/Incompetence and this was a job for the MIF and Ethan Hunt, not a guy who just turned 34 in his 16th season.
 
This isn't about what could have happened or if the Spurs wanted to trade with us or not.  This is about what YOU, the FANS, wanted and how what YOU wanted turned out.  You wanted to see the kids?  You wanted to risk their stock dropping?
 
 
Lonzo - out for the season.
Ingram - out for the season - potential CAREER ending medical condition.
Kuzma - meh...no change.
 
This is why you should STOP listening to pundits!!!!  They SELL YOU on stuff.  It's up to you to use your COMMON SENSE and tune out the garbage.
 
I'm reminding you guys of this because this summer the media is going to feed you a LOT of nonsense just to generate clicks.  The Lakers are right on schedule based on what you guys wanted.  The kids got time to develop and we have a max contract slot available this summer.
 
Calm down and admit maybe keeping the kids was a bad idea...

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Posted March 11, 2019 - 10:23 AM

Pretty easy to say in hindsight, perhaps only slightly easier to say than it was before the season even started.  We have seen this same song and dance for the past several seasons, jettison the kids and get some real NBA players.  BI, Lonzo, Kuz could all end up being great NBA players, but the thing is, we have the greatest NBA player currently, and surrounding him with a bunch of guys who aren't that great and can't stay on the floor isn't really the recipe for success.



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Posted March 11, 2019 - 10:26 AM

 

This post is about perception and reality, exposing the Confirmational Bias.

 
A LOT of the NBA and Lakers Fans were talking about keeping the kids and core around LeBron this past summer to see if the kids could "break out" next to LeBron.
 
A LOT of Lakers fans cried about DEPTH when we could have made moves (or were in discussion) this past summer.
 
 
Now, after almost a season seeing the kids NOT live up to expectations and NOT be worth punting another season, people are attacking LeBron.  Why?  Because they can't believe LeBron didn't take this group to the playoffs?
 
 
 
 
Let's be clear: 
 
YOU GUYS wanted to keep the kids.
YOU GUYS wanted to keep "depth".
YOU GUYS wanted to see if the kids would excel.
 
 
Now YOU GUYS should man-up and admit that asking LeBron to take this team to the playoffs was ALREADY a tall order.  Add in all of the INJURIES and Coaching Staff Blunders/Incompetence and this was a job for the MIF and Ethan Hunt, not a guy who just turned 34 in his 16th season.
 
This isn't about what could have happened or if the Spurs wanted to trade with us or not.  This is about what YOU, the FANS, wanted and how what YOU wanted turned out.  You wanted to see the kids?  You wanted to risk their stock dropping?
 
 
Lonzo - out for the season.
Ingram - out for the season - potential CAREER ending medical condition.
Kuzma - meh...no change.
 
This is why you should STOP listening to pundits!!!!  They SELL YOU on stuff.  It's up to you to use your COMMON SENSE and tune out the garbage.
 
I'm reminding you guys of this because this summer the media is going to feed you a LOT of nonsense just to generate clicks.  The Lakers are right on schedule based on what you guys wanted.  The kids got time to develop and we have a max contract slot available this summer.
 
Calm down and admit maybe keeping the kids was a bad idea...

 

 

Keeping the kids was a bad idea.

 

Getting Lebron for the Kids was a bad idea. 

 

Signing a bunch of 1 year contracts was a bad idea.

 

Not getting PG13 from Indiana was a bad idea.

 

Past is the Past.

 

Now, putting all your eggs into AD will be a bad idea this summer in my opinion.

 

But you are 100% correct about the media.  As of now, Cohwerd has said trading Bron is a good idea.  Stephen A Smith has said everyone want to come to the Clippers not the Lakers.


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Posted March 11, 2019 - 10:46 AM

I don't think magic has the balls to trade LeBron nor the vision to build a super team if he were able to accomplish that. So LeBron is never being traded sans his last year.

Magic position will be in question if he has a terrible summer. In fact I want him gone if we don't have a championship caliber roster come game one if the season. No more waiting.

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Posted March 11, 2019 - 10:51 AM

I don't think magic has the balls to trade LeBron nor the vision to build a super team if he were able to accomplish that. So LeBron is never being traded sans his last year.

Magic position will be in question if he has a terrible summer. In fact I want him gone if we don't have a championship caliber roster come game one if the season. No more waiting.

 

When he didnt make the move for PG13 you knew he wasnt up for the challenge.  Getting PG13 would have changed the whole outlook of this team.  Leonard would most likely still be looking to join this team.  



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Posted March 11, 2019 - 10:52 AM

Nobody takes responsibility on a message board.  We trade most of the team and picks for Kawhi and he gets or stays hurt you're gonna be first in line to admit it was a mistake? lol


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Posted March 11, 2019 - 12:00 PM

The youth + LeBron were the reason we were winning games. Zo + Ingram + Kuz + LeBron had the 4th best offense and #1 defensive rating when playing together. Of course that wouldn't last all season, but it shows a healthy tandem of those four is rather productive.

If LeBron doesn't miss the most games of his career in a season, this is a non-issue. We are likely still 5th-7th seed.

If the FO actually assembled a competent roster with shooters (or at least bringing back Lopez)... I'd like to imagine how that'd play out.

It's unfortunate Zo suffered another season-ending injury and Ingram has a DVT (no one could see the DVT coming). That's just pure unluck, especially when both were having the best stretch of games of their career.

I'm not sure what the point of targeting the youth is here. Imagine we trade all of them for Kawhi (who the Spurs already admitted they were never going to trade with us). LeBron goes down again. Kawhi + no depth isn't getting very far. He likely walks across to the Clippers in the off-season where he has had his eyes set all year anyways. Anything can happen.
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Posted March 11, 2019 - 01:34 PM

Nobody takes responsibility on a message board.  We trade most of the team and picks for Kawhi and he gets or stays hurt you're gonna be first in line to admit it was a mistake? lol

 

 

If his career had ended, sure.

 

Are you saying it was a mistake to keep the kids since they all got injured this year and Ingram has a medical condition/situation that could end his career?



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Posted March 11, 2019 - 02:18 PM

It's not only some fans, it's the FO. Fans can have their own opinions and theories. But the fact that the FO believed that it was going to work out is concerning. No way they should've brought LeBron in by himself without help from another established star. Now we've lost the youth and LeBron is on a island by himself.



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Posted March 11, 2019 - 02:29 PM

The youth + LeBron were the reason we were winning games. Zo + Ingram + Kuz + LeBron had the 4th best offense and #1 defensive rating when playing together. Of course that wouldn't last all season, but it shows a healthy tandem of those four is rather productive.

If LeBron doesn't miss the most games of his career in a season, this is a non-issue. We are likely still 5th-7th seed.

If the FO actually assembled a competent roster with shooters (or at least bringing back Lopez)... I'd like to imagine how that'd play out.

It's unfortunate Zo suffered another season-ending injury and Ingram has a DVT (no one could see the DVT coming). That's just pure unluck, especially when both were having the best stretch of games of their career.

I'm not sure what the point of targeting the youth is here. Imagine we trade all of them for Kawhi (who the Spurs already admitted they were never going to trade with us). LeBron goes down again. Kawhi + no depth isn't getting very far. He likely walks across to the Clippers in the off-season where he has had his eyes set all year anyways. Anything can happen.


This is the only post worth reading.
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Posted March 11, 2019 - 02:32 PM

It's not only some fans, it's the FO. Fans can have their own opinions and theories. But the fact that the FO believed that it was going to work out is concerning. No way they should've brought LeBron in by himself without help from another established star. Now we've lost the youth and LeBron is on a island by himself.

I think Lebron fell into FO's lap, they didn't see it coming.  And to be honest, ever since the decision, Lebron pick stars or lack of stars to play with.  the FO has very little control over who comes and who doesn't.  The last time i checked, Lebron dumped 2 old All-stars for 2 New all Stars.  And made Cleveland FO his little pony.  The only problem i had with FO is they are putting our Young talents on clearance sale to please Lebron.  


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Posted March 11, 2019 - 02:44 PM

This is the only post worth reading.


And it’s was not needed. Real ones know
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Posted March 11, 2019 - 04:28 PM

You seem to think trading for a star player is the remedy to everything when very likely Kawhi or anybody else walks if the same thing befalls the team.  YOU CANNOT win w/o considerable depth in the NBA.  Maybe 3-4 years ago you could pull it off but teams are just smarter than they were a few years ago.  Even the [expletive] teams.  The 2016 Cavs might the last time we see a team with a [expletive] bench win a ring again.  

 

If his career had ended, sure.

 

Are you saying it was a mistake to keep the kids since they all got injured this year and Ingram has a medical condition/situation that could end his career?


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Posted March 11, 2019 - 05:27 PM

Right on the money. Magic pretty much punted this season and the cap space with 1 year deals in hopes of getting a second and maybe third star this summer. Let's see how that plays out. 



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Posted March 11, 2019 - 07:01 PM

It was always hilarious how people thought relying on Ball and Ingram to stay healthy and make big leaps wasn't a big risk. Their seasons were pretty similar to last season. They were inconsistent and had health issues. Their health issues look worse now with Ball continuing to have knee issues and Ingram's condition that may force him to retire.

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Posted March 11, 2019 - 09:57 PM

Like I said in the begging of the season
F the kids
"Don't post while drunk, on draft night"

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Posted March 11, 2019 - 10:36 PM

Master Yoda, unloading for Kawhi at the time wasn't the right move. From everything that transpired, the only real error Magic made was letting go of Randle. You don't let go of quality young players (with contracts that aren't even that bad) for the name of cap space, you just don't. Randle had his issues, but at 12M/annually or whatever, he was worth keeping. And then it turned out that the issue of power forward ended up being the biggest issue of them all (Luke going small excessively, Randle would've been perfect all season long)

 

I think we're all just a little anxious right now at what's going on. It would be a little easier in a way if the Lakers were terrible and totally and blatantly tanking, it's like, Ok, I'm gonna Uber over to the Staples Center, buy tickets for the game, and bring a beach ball and amuse myself...

 

But we're eh somewhat competitive eh LeBron is still playing so the games are still kinda worth watching... Eh.... Pray for Zion?

 

I think Jeanie/Magic/Pelinka/Bron will adjust accordingly from everything that just happened, and we will (hopefully) make incremental moves to put us in a better position for next season, without having to be outright terrible this season.............................................................................. That's a lot to ask for............................... I think it'll happen tho. It's tough. I miss prime Kobe. But it is what it is.


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Posted March 11, 2019 - 10:45 PM

With the Lakers, more than any other team in sports, there tends to be too much going on than just basketball. But that's just the way it is, that's the way it should be... But... we need to steer it a little more in the direction of pure basketball, and incremental improvements. All this stuff now about blowing up the whole thing is an overreaction as of right now. Let's close out the season the best we can, then draft the best we can to our current needs. It's that simple. We don't have to create another fiasco for AD or Zion or a fiasco for the sake of creating a fiasco... Let's steer this ship a little more towards pure basketball

 

Translation:

1. Luke's ass is gone

 

1) Bring in a better coach

2) Fill the hole at the PF/4. If nothing materializes with free agency, then just draft the best we can. An actual stretch 4, someone who puts the "power" in power forward yet still has all the skills you need in today's game. Look to our G-League team if we have to and develop what we have. Yes it sounds boring but those are common sense basketball moves that every other franchise makes.

3) DEFENSIVE COORDINATOR!!! Who is the best defensive coordinator in the world right now (where its realistic for him/her to be on the coaching staff) well bring them on board. Lets go

 

I think if we do this and try to Eh remain competitive this season we'll be fine.................................. The whole thing is [expletive]ed, I know, but you gotta start somewhere



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Posted March 11, 2019 - 11:41 PM

 

This post is about perception and reality, exposing the Confirmational Bias.

 
A LOT of the NBA and Lakers Fans were talking about keeping the kids and core around LeBron this past summer to see if the kids could "break out" next to LeBron.
 
A LOT of Lakers fans cried about DEPTH when we could have made moves (or were in discussion) this past summer.
 
 
Now, after almost a season seeing the kids NOT live up to expectations and NOT be worth punting another season, people are attacking LeBron.  Why?  Because they can't believe LeBron didn't take this group to the playoffs?
 
 
 
 
Let's be clear: 
 
YOU GUYS wanted to keep the kids.
YOU GUYS wanted to keep "depth".
YOU GUYS wanted to see if the kids would excel.
 
 
Now YOU GUYS should man-up and admit that asking LeBron to take this team to the playoffs was ALREADY a tall order.  Add in all of the INJURIES and Coaching Staff Blunders/Incompetence and this was a job for the MIF and Ethan Hunt, not a guy who just turned 34 in his 16th season.
 
This isn't about what could have happened or if the Spurs wanted to trade with us or not.  This is about what YOU, the FANS, wanted and how what YOU wanted turned out.  You wanted to see the kids?  You wanted to risk their stock dropping?
 
 
Lonzo - out for the season.
Ingram - out for the season - potential CAREER ending medical condition.
Kuzma - meh...no change.
 
This is why you should STOP listening to pundits!!!!  They SELL YOU on stuff.  It's up to you to use your COMMON SENSE and tune out the garbage.
 
I'm reminding you guys of this because this summer the media is going to feed you a LOT of nonsense just to generate clicks.  The Lakers are right on schedule based on what you guys wanted.  The kids got time to develop and we have a max contract slot available this summer.
 
Calm down and admit maybe keeping the kids was a bad idea...

 

 

What a bunch of BS. The team was on pace to win 50 games before the injuries started and the idea that Lebron having the worst injury of his career is somehow irrelevant and that the kids are to blame is dumb. The idea that we somehow should have predicted that BI and Lonzo would get these kinds of injuries is even dumber.

 

No championship caliber moves has been available to this team at any point and the idea that Magic passed on Kawhi or Beal is utterly false / wishfull thinking on your part.


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Posted March 11, 2019 - 11:44 PM

Master Yoda, unloading for Kawhi at the time wasn't the right move.

 

LOL. Kawhi never was available. Pop went out of his way to influence the Pellies not to trade AD to LA so you'd have to be crazy to think that Pop would ever have moved Kawhi to LA.


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