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#1 garyknowz1

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Posted March 09, 2019 - 08:27 PM

I've been a Laker fan for nearly 40 years. I've supported them in good times and bad. For the passed 4 years, I've been telling myself and others have we are one or two acquisitions away from returning to greatness. However, I'm starting believe otherwise. We have the best current player in the NBA---perhaps the greatest of all time. But even with LeBron, Rondo, among other excellent players, the Lakers look no better the they have in the previous 4 years. Lack of talent doesn't seem to be the issue. It's something more fundamental than a trade, draft, or free agent acquisition.

 

The Lakers have a very talented roster right now---more than enough to make the playoffs. But the seriously lack chemistry and a winning game plan. However, such intangibles are issues difficult to address in a concrete manner. With that in mind, what do you think the Lakers need to do before the 2019-2020 season begins to finally lead the Lakers back to the playoffs?

 

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Posted March 09, 2019 - 09:22 PM

What we signed in the offseason was a bunch of misfits and cast offs instead of trying to actually bring some depth. Now this season was always gonna be a waste imo. What we need to do this offseason is sign some quality players that can bring depth. Definitely need more shooting and defenders. 

 

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Posted March 09, 2019 - 09:34 PM

A bunch of one year contracts offered to has beens is never going to work. On top of that an incompetent FO and a HC who cant get the biggest Star to play some D is a recipe for disaster.

How do they get back? Offer NBA Talent 2-3 year contracts. Hire a HC who will get respect. Stop trying to hit a HR everytime a big name comes up. Some would argue this season might have been different is they had not signed Lebron.

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Posted March 09, 2019 - 10:36 PM

You said Rondo?


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Posted March 09, 2019 - 11:21 PM

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Posted March 10, 2019 - 05:36 AM

I've been a Laker fan for nearly 40 years. I've supported them in good times and bad. For the passed 4 years, I've been telling myself and others have we are one or two acquisitions away from returning to greatness. However, I'm starting believe otherwise. We have the best current player in the NBA---perhaps the greatest of all time. But even with LeBron, Rondo, among other excellent players, the Lakers look no better the they have in the previous 4 years. Lack of talent doesn't seem to be the issue. It's something more fundamental than a trade, draft, or free agent acquisition.

 

The Lakers have a very talented roster right now---more than enough to make the playoffs. But the seriously lack chemistry and a winning game plan. However, such intangibles are issues difficult to address in a concrete manner. With that in mind, what do you think the Lakers need to do before the 2019-2020 season begins to finally lead the Lakers back to the playoffs?

 

Thanks!

Gary K.

 

There is no doubt that the decisions that's been made this past year has been pretty bad and i'm blaming Jeanie, Magic, Pelinka, Luke and possibly Lebron for those decisions because they all played a role, but much of it is history now.

 

What needs to happen:

 

They need to rest Lebron. Let him rack up points, but no need for him to aggrevate his injury.

 

Shake up the coaching department and fire the assistant coaches (today). Would mind if Luke stayed, but he has to have competent offensive and defensive coaches to handle the Xs and Os as well as rotations which allow Luke to focus on ego and locker-room management.

 

Hire an actual analytics department and aim to be the best in the league in that area.

 

Reduce Magic's role. I'm sure he's great at selling FAs on LA, but he cant be involved in everything else. I mean, why have a scouting department if Magic simply overrules that department and goes with Wagner because "he really likes him".

 

 

In the offseason, they should go hard at Kawhi, Durant, Kyrie etc. I'm sure we can get one of them.

Then fill out the roster with guys that we know will work well which is veterans that can defend and hit open shots.

Then look at potential AD-trades.



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Posted March 10, 2019 - 08:10 AM

There is no doubt that the decisions that's been made this past year has been pretty bad and i'm blaming Jeanie, Magic, Pelinka, Luke and possibly Lebron for those decisions because they all played a role, but much of it is history now.

 

What needs to happen:

 

They need to rest Lebron. Let him rack up points, but no need for him to aggrevate his injury.

 

Shake up the coaching department and fire the assistant coaches (today). Would mind if Luke stayed, but he has to have competent offensive and defensive coaches to handle the Xs and Os as well as rotations which allow Luke to focus on ego and locker-room management.

 

Hire an actual analytics department and aim to be the best in the league in that area.

 

Reduce Magic's role. I'm sure he's great at selling FAs on LA, but he cant be involved in everything else. I mean, why have a scouting department if Magic simply overrules that department and goes with Wagner because "he really likes him".

 

 

In the offseason, they should go hard at Kawhi, Durant, Kyrie etc. I'm sure we can get one of them.

Then fill out the roster with guys that we know will work well which is veterans that can defend and hit open shots.

Then look at potential AD-trades.

 

The Lakers only trade assest is Kuzma at this point.  Lonzo Ball is injury prone and BI has a fatal condition that might force him to retire.  This franchise should look at possibilities to trade for AD but honestly should look at stealing Kwahi Leonard from the Clippers



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Posted March 10, 2019 - 08:20 AM

Dude let’s not jump to conclusions about BI...

The Lakers only trade assest is Kuzma at this point. Lonzo Ball is injury prone and BI has a fatal condition that might force him to retire. This franchise should look at possibilities to trade for AD but honestly should look at stealing Kwahi Leonard from the Clippers



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Posted March 10, 2019 - 08:23 AM

Dude let’s not jump to conclusions about BI...
 

 

Its a DVT,  it's even more rare in upper extremities, I am going to go out on a limb and say there is a 90% chance his career is over.

 

Now, let's say he isnt done, what team is going to take the chance on him, especially the Pelicans.... what about Lonzo?  It's a bad situation right now for this franchise. 



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Posted March 10, 2019 - 08:27 AM

Its a DVT, it's even more rare in upper extremities, I am going to go out on a limb and say there is a 90% chance his career is over.

Now, let's say he isnt done, what team is going to take the chance on him, especially the Pelicans.... what about Lonzo? It's a bad situation right now for this franchise.


It can be literally next to nothing or it can be career threatening if it persists. It’s not good but it isn’t really a big deal if it’s an isolated incident.

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Posted March 10, 2019 - 08:31 AM

It can be literally next to nothing or it can be career threatening if it persists. It’s not good but it isn’t really a big deal if it’s an isolated incident.

 

Either way, he will be on this team next year.   We are down to Kuzma being the only one with real trade value, maybe even Wagner? 

 

I say go all in on Dragic, Middleton, Cousins and Leonard.  Bad times....Bad times...



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Posted March 10, 2019 - 09:07 AM

Its a DVT, it's even more rare in upper extremities, I am going to go out on a limb and say there is a 90% chance his career is over.


Actually it's better it was an upper extremity DVT and not a lower extremity DVT, which can break off and travel to the lungs (Pulmonary Embolism).

It's also very good that they caught this early before it could cause more complications.

And yes, while it's true teams will be cautious if trading for him, let's just wish the man the best of health and a speedy recovery.

Ingram is more than just a guy with 'trade value.'
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Posted March 10, 2019 - 09:44 AM

Actually it's better it was an upper extremity DVT and not a lower extremity DVT, which can break off and travel to the lungs (Pulmonary Embolism).

It's also very good that they caught this early before it could cause more complications.

And yes, while it's true teams will be cautious if trading for him, let's just wish the man the best of health and a speedy recovery.

Ingram is more than just a guy with 'trade value.'

 

 

We already wished him a speedy  recovery in the Brandon Ingram thread.  You can't talk about improving this team without looking at him as "trade value", that's the reality of the situation.  

 

While an upper extremity lowers the chances of a PE, it's not a given and not certain it won't happen again.  But like you said for his health it's a good thing they caught it early and he can now begin the recovery process. God Bless Him. Scary situation.



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Posted March 10, 2019 - 01:55 PM

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Posted April 24, 2019 - 02:49 AM

I was thinking about starting a new thread about this, I'm glad an existing one is here.

 

I think attempting to repair our relationships with other teams in the league would go a long way. It's gotten to the point where nobody wants to make any trades with us at all and other teams are actively trying to subvert our attempts to land free agents/hire a coach/etc

 

LeBron has to stop obviously making attempts at tampering or teasing it. Holding his hands up over his mouth mid-court looks sorry. It looks desperate. Kobe never did [expletive] like that. Rob Pelinka should make an attempt at forming relationships with the other GMs and Presidents in the league. Or at least, not making it worse. If you see Daryl Morey at the Staples Center walking over to say Hello. Sending RC Buford a card congratulating him for his sons college graduation (for example). Mailing Bob Myers a fruit basket for no reason in particular...... That last example obviously is a bit ridiculous, but [expletive] like that. Trying your best to normalize relations again. Doing this in mass repeatedly over time, puts us in a situation to make deals like moving up in the draft for some sort of modest exchange, and makes teams more receptive to trades in general. Right now no team will trade with us under any conditions just out of hate. Jeanie should also try to form connections with the other owners in the league. This is something I learned in the private sector. You don't do things like this for any sort of immediate quid pro quo, you do small things of outreach like this because you're a good person and you're pleasant to be around. I remember Jay-Z sharing a story of how he use to send Biggie champagne bottles after he'd have won awards. And at the time, they werent necessarily putting out albums together or on the same label together. But years later, Diddy approached him for an album idea and handed him over tracks he had already been working on. You do little things to plant seeds, and there is usually a benefit to it later on. LeBron, it's not that people are angry at you for trying to create you're own narrative, it's that other team owners think you are actively trying to subvert the rules and sabotage their teams. Trades should be mutually beneficial to both teams. The Lakers want to offer horse crap for Zion and AD. No, trades should be mutually beneficial to both teams in both basketball and business terms. You need to form relationships to make things happen. So begin planting the seeds. There's a lot of repairing to do.

 

I think we can invest a little more money in our already good scouting department, but expand that to include scouting of G-league, active NBA players, and also international players. I think we have the best scouting when it comes to promising NCAA recruits, it's a shame we're not that good after we draft them. But with a repaired relationship with other managers on other teams, their more willing to trade us hidden gems that aren't necessarily a good fit for their team. I mean common dude, Mike Muscula? You couldn't get any better than that? So scouting can use a bit of a boost, in regards to g-league active nba personnel, and international players. Hell, have scouts present in places you'd ordinarily not think to look.

 

Don't be so terrified of possibly falling into the luxury tax. There was no excuse to lose Julius Randle for nothing. Just as long as you dont committ massive money to older aging players, you're never in a bad position. If you have a roster full of young athletic skilled players on contracts that are fair to the market, you always have flexibility to deal with other teams IF salary cap ends up becoming an issue. So they should stop being so terrified of it.

 

I'd like a little more money to go into player development as well as well as holding a hard line with our young players. All these young kids have poor fundamentals on top of getting injured all the time. And their [expletive]ing sensitive too. I refuse to believe it's bad luck. Increase their workouts, mandate rest time, and downright tell them- Hey, if your not willing to change a shooting/defensive form that has proven to not work, your out of here or your sitting out games or having minutes cut in favor of players who are willing to work and listen to the trainers, and by the way reduce that BS on social media. Having them run more laps tough guy Byron Scott style is not the way, as a better approach would be increasing the number of team-mandated workouts and individual drills/weight lifting-stretching-icing sessions/mandated rest/massage/therapy/video sessions/etc

 

Jeanie Buss, just try harder.


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Posted April 24, 2019 - 03:49 AM

I've been a Laker fan for nearly 40 years. I've supported them in good times and bad. For the passed 4 years, I've been telling myself and others have we are one or two acquisitions away from returning to greatness. However, I'm starting believe otherwise. We have the best current player in the NBA---perhaps the greatest of all time. But even with LeBron, Rondo, among other excellent players, the Lakers look no better the they have in the previous 4 years. Lack of talent doesn't seem to be the issue. It's something more fundamental than a trade, draft, or free agent acquisition.

 

The Lakers have a very talented roster right now---more than enough to make the playoffs. But the seriously lack chemistry and a winning game plan. However, such intangibles are issues difficult to address in a concrete manner. With that in mind, what do you think the Lakers need to do before the 2019-2020 season begins to finally lead the Lakers back to the playoffs?

 

Thanks!

Gary K.

 

 

 

A consistent vision by the Front Office and patience to execute said vision.


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Posted April 24, 2019 - 05:59 AM

I would start with Meyers, Ujiri and Presti... in no particular order. 


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Posted April 24, 2019 - 06:04 AM

Stop trying to hit home runs in free agency every season. What's ironic is that the lack of free agent interest prior to LeBron forced them to turn to the draft to build, and they did a pretty okay job....particularly in the late first round. 

But now LeBron and organization level impatience is basically flushing it all down the toilet. When LeBron bails in a couple of years, the Lakers will be left holding the bag with few assets to show (see Cavaliers, Cleveland)


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Posted April 24, 2019 - 06:46 AM

A bunch of one year contracts offered to has beens is never going to work. On top of that an incompetent FO and a HC who cant get the biggest Star to play some D is a recipe for disaster.

How do they get back? Offer NBA Talent 2-3 year contracts. Hire a HC who will get respect. Stop trying to hit a HR everytime a big name comes up. Some would argue this season might have been different is they had not signed Lebron.

 

Of course this season would have been different if they didn't sign LeBron, any team that signs the best player in the game is going to see some monster changes, usually for the better, the Lakers punted super hard by not surrounding him with anything other than that coveted "young core", granted if the young core had stayed healthy along with LeBron I think the conversation we are having right now is much different.  Still, it was a punt by signing the guys that they got who were non-LBJ



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Posted April 24, 2019 - 06:50 AM

Although I was not a fan regarding some of our signings this past season; Bron, the kids nor the signings were the reason we sucked... IMO injuries killed us this season.

 

Hopefully this offseason we make the right moves and this doesn't necessarily mean the big names or max players... we simply need to build a team!


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