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#21 4Warner

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Posted December 06, 2018 - 12:54 PM

 The NBA is currently in the LeBron James era, right?

 

In his mold, 4 of the top 5 players in the game today are versatile small forwards who are seen as more than just scorers. Giannis, Kawhi, KD and Bron.  If we include the best 2-way players in the game which James was at one point, we might throw another small forward in there in Jimmy Butler... 

 

None of the players who are having their careers or gamestyles directly compared to Lebrons would be very sensible joining his squads. Their careers will be defined by how they compare to, or fare against LeBron at the end of the day. The only benefit for a similar player would be that a guy would become more of a household name in most cases. Playing in games that actually mean something every time out and having the media act as if other teams, even better ones, aren't worth mentioning...

 

But not only would a somewhat similar player need not sign up for the task due to the impact it would have on their individual legacy, soft cats that aren't ready for that burning hot spotlight need not apply either. You gotta be built for that. Not just for dealing with being second fiddle, but for being in the middle of the fishbowl all the time. Not many people really want that, even if they think it would be cool. Kawhi surely dosn't. He appears to enjoy riding under the spotlight and flourishes doing so. And even guys who are considered great shooters find it's a different level of expectations when you receive a pass from James as opposed to any other player. That spotlight can make great shooters look average if they aren't strong mentally. We've seen it all before even if the phenomena is currently unique to Lebron.

 

So obviously the Lakers need to go after guys who will be complimented by James playing on the perimeter with the ball. Davis is the glaring first choice. He doesn't want to dribble it up court and initiate action. Plus he'd be the first option and Lebron would become second fiddle, at least on court... And the talk about All Star Bradley Beal doesn't sound bad as a thrid option to those two, and he's also an off the ball guy.  So they'll find quality guys willing to step up to the challenge despite what they claim KD is saying.

 

The small forwards have good reason not to join him. Kawhi's already beaten him. KD too with a lot of help, and he's possibly the least respected NBA superstar ever as a result in regards to championships added, so he'll likely forge his own path or maybe even return to OKC. Giannis is supposed to be the next Bron and the step beyond and he's on pace remarkably, so why would he come over? But there will be some player out there that's starving for attention and respect, and the lure of the NBA's best city will be too great to pass up. Free Agent movement in 2019 may be the best we've seen...


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Posted December 06, 2018 - 01:44 PM

Incredibly close friends? No they're not. And this interview proves we're far from ever landing Durant.


Yes they are good friends, and that’s true regardless of if they land him or not
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Posted December 06, 2018 - 04:44 PM

2 words i dont like are "toxic" and "fanboys" 

 

Javale said in an interview, lakers are the most chilling locker room he has been part of. Whats so toxic? 

Players that was around him during his 3 rings and his 9 finals appearance had to give up their ego, their shots and their time to cater lebron game and to win games. 

 

Fan boys? 

Lebron isnt a average player. as much as he has a lot of fans that support him, he has a lot of haters as well. 

KD is butt hurt that he gets the negative attention, look you left a team that beat you from 3-1 and join the best season team all time. its no wonder you will get the hate.

 

the lakers and Lebron should just ignore his comments and move on. 

 

lets beat them on Christmas and let our actions speak. 



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Posted December 07, 2018 - 07:42 AM

What he said is true



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Posted December 07, 2018 - 11:37 AM

No you misread what KD said.  I can break it down for you if you'd like.  

 

2 words i dont like are "toxic" and "fanboys" 

 

Javale said in an interview, lakers are the most chilling locker room he has been part of. Whats so toxic? 

Players that was around him during his 3 rings and his 9 finals appearance had to give up their ego, their shots and their time to cater lebron game and to win games. 

 

Fan boys? 

Lebron isnt a average player. as much as he has a lot of fans that support him, he has a lot of haters as well. 

KD is butt hurt that he gets the negative attention, look you left a team that beat you from 3-1 and join the best season team all time. its no wonder you will get the hate.

 

the lakers and Lebron should just ignore his comments and move on. 

 

lets beat them on Christmas and let our actions speak. 


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Posted December 07, 2018 - 07:50 PM

Ok wake up BI will not become Kawhi, different player type but he will
Get traded as he isn’t the guy still
Young but Bronsteams don’t wait
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Posted December 07, 2018 - 08:06 PM

No you misread what KD said.  I can break it down for you if you'd like.  

 sure go ahead. 



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Posted December 08, 2018 - 10:41 PM

KD is right about the level of competition (for scoring) and the fit being a big issue for potential stars next to LeBron.

 

What KD is WRONG about is the Lakers not having options for adding stars who fit next to LeBron.

 

An ELITE scoring guard can play next to LeBron just fine...Wade, Kyrie.

Elite shooters will be infinitely better next to LeBron - 70% of the role players LeBron had.

 

If we're talking about Free Agents, a guy like Klay would be a perfect fit at the 2 next to LeBron.  A guy like Kyrie (no chance) would make us a contender for sure but Kemba Walker would also be a great attack guard next to LeBron.

 

 

This year, most of the elite Free Agents are similar to LeBron.  That's not LeBron's fault.  If this Free Agency Class had Damian Lillard, Bradley Beal, CJ McCollum, Anthony Davis, (healthy) DMC, Zach LaVine, John Wall, KAT or a lot of other good young players, they'd be falling over themselves for a chance to play for the Lakers and with LeBron.

 

The Narrative has gotten twisted into something personal against LeBron.  It's purely a business and basketball fit issue.


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Posted December 09, 2018 - 05:47 AM

Kemba and Klay... tempting.


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Posted December 09, 2018 - 09:03 AM

KD joined a team that set the NBA single season record for wins, and would have won the NBA championship if not for LeBron James playing the greatest finals in NBA history and even with that historic performance, his team won on closest of margins.  The Warriors gave up absolutely nothing to get him.  That should tell you plenty about him.  Any star in the NBA could have joined that team and won the last 2 rings, hell, nobody could have joined them and they would have won the last 2 rings.


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Posted December 09, 2018 - 12:20 PM

Kemba and Klay... tempting.

 

Very tempting.

 

KD joined a team that set the NBA single season record for wins, and would have won the NBA championship if not for LeBron James playing the greatest finals in NBA history and even with that historic performance, his team won on closest of margins.  The Warriors gave up absolutely nothing to get him.  That should tell you plenty about him.  Any star in the NBA could have joined that team and won the last 2 rings, hell, nobody could have joined them and they would have won the last 2 rings.

 

Exactly.  KD's never had to recruit a player to play next to him.  If he had to, he'd face the same issues as LeBron - competition for scoring and limelight and real concern over fit next to him.

 

KD bailed on the only other Superstar he'd played with because of?  Competition (for scoring) and fit.

 

Pot meet Kettle.


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Posted December 09, 2018 - 04:05 PM

KD joined a team that set the NBA single season record for wins, and would have won the NBA championship if not for LeBron James playing the greatest finals in NBA history and even with that historic performance, his team won on closest of margins.  The Warriors gave up absolutely nothing to get him.  That should tell you plenty about him.  Any star in the NBA could have joined that team and won the last 2 rings, hell, nobody could have joined them and they would have won the last 2 rings.

 

Great points...  Be honest, I've said this very same thing in the past for the Lakers. Not as any team in particular, but as the dominant franchise, right? What 72 years of NBA history that the Lakers have been a part of 70? 31 trips to the NBA Finals and 16 rings as a result of those trips? Thru 65 seasons there was almost a 50% chance that if any player wore a Laker jersey you'd go to the Finals and a 25% chance you'd win a chip.

 

It's been some years since I did the research, but I think there's only been two players who played for the Lakers for more than 8 seasons that didn't win a ring- Elgin Baylor, and Eldon Campbell...

 

This is one of the reason I always say rings can be taken out of context and overrated, and we probably shouldn't put such a heavy weight on them historically as a result... Of the 30 NBA teams, I believe nearly 50% have never even reached an NBA Final, so when we compare rings we really are comparing the fates of players on draft night or in free agency as much or more than the skillsets or accomplishments of that man...

 

KD is right about the level of competition (for scoring) and the fit being a big issue for potential stars next to LeBron.

 

What KD is WRONG about is the Lakers not having options for adding stars who fit next to LeBron.

 

An ELITE scoring guard can play next to LeBron just fine...Wade, Kyrie.

Elite shooters will be infinitely better next to LeBron - 70% of the role players LeBron had.

 

If we're talking about Free Agents, a guy like Klay would be a perfect fit at the 2 next to LeBron.  A guy like Kyrie (no chance) would make us a contender for sure but Kemba Walker would also be a great attack guard next to LeBron.

 

 

This year, most of the elite Free Agents are similar to LeBron.  That's not LeBron's fault.  If this Free Agency Class had Damian Lillard, Bradley Beal, CJ McCollum, Anthony Davis, (healthy) DMC, Zach LaVine, John Wall, KAT or a lot of other good young players, they'd be falling over themselves for a chance to play for the Lakers and with LeBron.

 

The Narrative has gotten twisted into something personal against LeBron.  It's purely a business and basketball fit issue.

 

Great post... The list you gave is spot on...Every one of these guys would be on the next flight available if they heard they were being traded to LA right now...  Damian Lillard, Bradley Beal, CJ McCollum, Anthony Davis, (healthy) DMC, Zach LaVine, John Wall, KAT  


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Posted December 09, 2018 - 10:41 PM

Doesn't look like Kawhi or KD is coming...both of those guys more likely to go to Clippers.  

 

 

Kemba 

Deandre Jordan

Middleton

 

^^^realistic possibilities^^^

 

Klay is more of a pipe dream.



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Posted December 09, 2018 - 11:02 PM

Doesn't look like Kawhi or KD is coming...both of those guys more likely to go to Clippers.  

 

 

Kemba 

Deandre Jordan

Middleton

 

^^^realistic possibilities^^^

 

Klay is more of a pipe dream.

 

Why are those guys more likely to go to the Clippers?



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Posted December 10, 2018 - 12:09 AM

Doesn't look like Kawhi or KD is coming...both of those guys more likely to go to Clippers.  

 

 

Kemba 

Deandre Jordan

Middleton

 

^^^realistic possibilities^^^

 

Klay is more of a pipe dream.

 

 

If KD doesn't join the Lakers, NYK is much more likely than LAC.



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Posted December 10, 2018 - 05:35 AM

If KD doesn't join the Lakers, NYK is much more likely than LAC.

 

Agreed...NY, or home for him in DC on the East coast, but it wouldn't shock me if he returned to OKC either...

 

Looks like he and Russ may have patched their differences up a bit and with all this criticism players are getting for shooting too much and requiring too much usage of the ball in the offense, Russ may be ready to have his old running mate back as well.

 

KD, Russ, and PG would be a nice trio that could contend, and because he's the only champion of the 3, he'd likely be perceived as the guy who brought them the knowledge of how to go about winning, if they were to do so. That's what he's lacking. Credibility that he is the essential piece to winning the chip for a team. He's been Finals MVP the past two years but the question remains, is he even his own teams true MVP?

 

Both the Clippers and the Thunder are overachieving right now in this young season in the 2nd and 4th position, but if he went to LA it would be him Montrezr Harrell, Danilo Galinari, an Lou Williams? Not quite the lure of Russ and PG, and would accomplish the same thing. Only good thing is that he'd get to live in LA. But there is something to be said about familiarity too...



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Posted December 10, 2018 - 07:56 AM

Agreed...NY, or home for him in DC on the East coast, but it wouldn't shock me if he returned to OKC either...

Looks like he and Russ may have patched their differences up a bit and with all this criticism players are getting for shooting too much and requiring too much usage of the ball in the offense, Russ may be ready to have his old running mate back as well.

KD, Russ, and PG would be a nice trio that could contend, and because he's the only champion of the 3, he'd likely be perceived as the guy who brought them the knowledge of how to go about winning, if they were to do so. That's what he's lacking. Credibility that he is the essential piece to winning the chip for a team. He's been Finals MVP the past two years but the question remains, is he even his own teams true MVP?

Both the Clippers and the Thunder are overachieving right now in this young season in the 2nd and 4th position, but if he went to LA it would be him Montrezr Harrell, Danilo Galinari, an Lou Williams? Not quite the lure of Russ and PG, and would accomplish the same thing. Only good thing is that he'd get to live in LA. But there is something to be said about familiarity too...

Okc and Wash have no cap space to sign Kd

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Posted December 10, 2018 - 08:29 AM

Okc and Wash have no cap space to sign Kd

 

Nope they don't, they are who they are unless they start moving pieces.



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Posted December 10, 2018 - 09:09 AM

It would be funny if kd joins the lakers..

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Posted December 10, 2018 - 10:06 AM

Doesn't look like Kawhi or KD is coming...both of those guys more likely to go to Clippers.  

 

 

Why are those guys more likely to go to the Clippers?

 

Kawhi - come to LA, be the main guy, difference maker on a team that's never gotten past 2nd R.

 

Durant - same as above, plus he can completely shift the narrative that he's a snake who "joined a winning team"

 

Both the Clippers and the Thunder are overachieving right now in this young season in the 2nd and 4th position, but if he went to LA it would be him Montrezr Harrell, Danilo Galinari, an Lou Williams? Not quite the lure of Russ and PG, and would accomplish the same thing. Only good thing is that he'd get to live in LA. But there is something to be said about familiarity too...

 

Tobias too, plus another max player.


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