So you’re saying that the player who was the leading scorer on Toronto when they strolled to 59 wins is making another team worse? So that makes another case for Toronto’s supporting cast lol
That means that Toronto was winning 59 games in spite of derozan
And again kawhi has missed 6 games. That’s more than 1/5th of the season so far.
So again it’s a bad argument any way you slice it.
You’re whole argument is based on the idea that if Anthony Davis were to join the raptors and Leonard were to join the pelicans the roles would reverse
Non-sequitur. DeRozan's effect on SAS is not an indication that he had no effect on TOR. It also discounts the fact that DeRozan was drafted by TOR and had that team built around him while Kawhi did NOT have the Spurs OR the Raptors built around him.
So while DeRozan's Raptors were designed to accentuate his strengths, Kawhi again proves that he can have a winning effect on ANY TEAM you put him on.
Expecting DeRozan to have the same effect on the Spurs as Kawhi would assume DeRozan is the same winning type player as Kawhi, which NO ONE has ever done.
Same with AD. NOP is built around AD...and he STILL can't make them a contender. This further proves my stance that Kawhi, no matter where he plays, is a winning type player.
This entire argument is impossible to make. Players are variables and have unknown synergies and weaknesses that will come out based on the other players they play with. Sometimes it makes them way more than they previously were, such as McGee this season and sometimes the pieces don’t fit. AD and Kawhi are both great players, with a raw talent level that any NBA team could build around, putting the correct players around them will result in wins, putting the wrong players around them will result in them still being great players that happen to play on losing teams. the end.
Kawhi didn't have Spurs built for him...nor the Raptors. He affects the game in so many ways that he makes his team better no matter what.
AD has the NOP built around him. He's yet to be as impactful as Kawhi on his team's W/Ls DESPITE having the team built around his strengths and weakness.
This isn't a term of art. It's not an "eye of the beholder" type discussion. This is a quantifiable effect that a player, when swapped for another team's best player, can match or exceed that other players effect on the team. The reason it's so clear and quantifiable is it is reserved for Top 5-10 players. Rarely if EVER does a player who isn't a generational talent type player have this effect on his team.
It doesn't take 10 years to establish this type of effect. Lonzo has this type of potential because he makes winning plays. If he discovers a way to reliably score when his team needs him to, he will be an Allstar, easily.
AD was given the reins from day 1 in NOP. He's been considered a generational talent, UNICORN type player from college. None of that has resulted in his TEAM being a contender or him having a noticeable effect on his team's W/Ls outside of him being the best player on the floor most nights. His team doesn't dominate nor do they become more efficient as a unit because of him.
I hope that explains my position.