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#141 noknife

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Posted December 02, 2018 - 11:03 AM

He is freaking pg not a C. Being horrendous on offense isn't acceptable as a point guard.

Nice insult though.

 

A)  He isn't a point guard on offense for this team, LeBron is, just like he has been on every single team he has ever played for with the exception of having Kyrie in Cleveland, and even then he played the point A LOT, every single usage statistic suggests exactly that.  B)  He does defend the opposing teams ball handler most of the time, true, so I want to get one thing straight, are you inferring that having an elite defender guarding the opponent who will have the ball in their hand more than any other player is somehow something that should be overlooked?  The guy literally takes other point guards out of games entirely with his defense or turns them into volume scorers when he is guarding elite scorers Ex: Lillard.  Defense is half the game, there is no way to argue anything else.  When you have someone who is elite defensively and can do a bunch of other things well such as pass, rebound, and push the ball, you can live with them not being a great shooter or scorer, and that is what the Lakers have in Lonzo and why he is seeing a lot of play time despite not playing the point very often.  



#142 KidRN

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Posted December 02, 2018 - 11:37 AM

A) He isn't a point guard on offense for this team, LeBron is, just like he has been on every single team he has ever played for with the exception of having Kyrie in Cleveland, and even then he played the point A LOT, every single usage statistic suggests exactly that. B) He does defend the opposing teams ball handler most of the time, true, so I want to get one thing straight, are you inferring that having an elite defender guarding the opponent who will have the ball in their hand more than any other player is somehow something that should be overlooked? The guy literally takes other point guards out of games entirely with his defense or turns them into volume scorers when he is guarding elite scorers Ex: Lillard. Defense is half the game, there is no way to argue anything else. When you have someone who is elite defensively and can do a bunch of other things well such as pass, rebound, and push the ball, you can live with them not being a great shooter or scorer, and that is what the Lakers have in Lonzo and why he is seeing a lot of play time despite not playing the point very often.

Your point A is irrelevant because Lebron won't be here forever, Lebron wasn't on this roster when Ball was drafted, he wasn't drafted with the mindset that he'd have to play next to a primary ball handler, and he was drafted with the idea that he'd be a pass first point guard which judging by the history of the league has pretty much always been a ball dominant player.

Lebron doesn't and shouldn't change the expected outcome of our youth. That is ridiculous.

Your point B is putting words in my mouth. I never said defense was irrelevant or that it should be overlooked. Ball taking players completely out of games consistently is false based on statistics. Real stats include all games and not just cherry picked ones. Ball is an above average defender but he is not Kawhi defensively. He is not a complete defensive game changer as of right now which is nearly impossible from the point guard position in today's nba. He is a player that is very active when the man he is guarding doesn't have the ball in his hands, he hustles, uses his size effectively, great at playing passing lanes just like he was in college, and is solid on ball.

Ball's skillset is fine if you simply want a good role player in his prime. A Batum type of player. However, we won't get any good draft picks with Bron here. We had 3 top 3 picks and no future star will come from those.

If we win a title, I don't give a damn how Ball plays but winning a title will never be because of Lonzo Ball.

If we wanted defense, we could have gotten that without using a high value draft pick. Ball movement should be enforced by the coaching staff not a single player. Lebron takes the ball away from Lonzo which will only serve to limit him further. We've essentially turned him into a defensive specialist off guard. As I stated earlier, this could be had for less than the #2 pick.

His passing numbers have remained pretty average despite the claims of him being elite. His rebounding is solid for his size but still nothing spectacular.

Ben Simmons right now is what people wish Lonzo could be in his prime.

Edited by KidRN, December 02, 2018 - 11:44 AM.


#143 noknife

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Posted December 02, 2018 - 12:02 PM

[quote name="KidRN" post="1890776" timestamp="1543779475"]

Your point A is irrelevant because Lebron won't be here forever, Lebron wasn't on this roster when Ball was drafted, he wasn't drafted with the mindset that he'd have to play next to a primary ball handler, and he was drafted with the idea that he'd be a pass first point guard which judging by the history of the league has pretty much always been a ball dominant player.

Lebron doesn't and shouldn't change the expected outcome of our youth. That is ridiculous.

Your point B is putting words in my mouth. I never said defense was irrelevant or that it should be overlooked. Ball taking players completely out of games consistently is false based on statistics. Real stats include all games and not just cherry picked ones. Ball is an above average defender but he is not Kawhi defensively. He is not a complete defensive game changer as of right now which is nearly impossible from the point guard position in today's nba. He is a player that is very active when the man he is guarding doesn't have the ball in his hands, he hustles, uses his size effectively, great at playing passing lanes just like he was in college, and is solid on ball.

Ball's skillset is fine if you simply want a good role player in his prime. A Batum type of player. However, we won't get any good draft picks with Bron here. We had 3 top 3 picks and no future star will come from those.

If we win a title, I don't give a damn how Ball plays but winning a title will never be because of Lonzo Ball.

If we wanted defense, we could have gotten that without using a high value draft pick. Ball movement should be enforced by the coaching staff not a single player. Lebron takes the ball away from Lonzo which will only serve to limit him further. We've essentially turned him into a defensive specialist off guard. As I stated earlier, this could be had for less than the #2 pick.

His passing numbers have remained pretty average despite the claims of him being elite. His rebounding is solid for his size but still nothing spectacular.

Ben Simmons right now is what people wish Lonzo could be in his prime.[/quote

You forgot to put “this word salad brought to you by hidden valley ranch”. Please revise.
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