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#1 LACAS

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Posted November 10, 2018 - 07:47 AM

At what point is it time to move on from the kids? 

At what point do we sell?

Do we have any keepers?

How much longer before we see what we have been hoping to see?

Are we guilty of hyping up our kids?

At what point do we cut the cord?



#2 Tensai

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Posted November 10, 2018 - 07:57 AM

Ingram as a full-time SG will not work. The most of the goodies he brought last season has to be kept in limit because of Lebron. Luke also couldn't find an answer to age-old question of Ingram vs. Kuzma. 

 

At some point this season we are gonna realize Ingram is not worth $20m+ per year but just like Randle we may opt out of offering him a deal just to see how he improves. Then, it becomes already too late to move on from him. I think if we can struck a deal for Ingram between now and ASW, it is gonna prove helpful for the look of this team.

 

I don't want us to move on from Ingram but with Lebron, Luke and all other things, there just may be no other way.


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Posted November 10, 2018 - 08:36 AM

Y'all really be bored as hell


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Posted November 10, 2018 - 08:44 AM

Y'all really be bored as hell

 

Kind of... 

 

BTW thanks for the well written, thorough highly educated feedback.


Edited by LACAS, November 10, 2018 - 08:45 AM.

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Posted November 10, 2018 - 10:05 AM

Sell the kids for food


Bye for now
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Posted November 10, 2018 - 11:15 AM

I mean you don’t move on unless given reason to move on. Will that reason come? Maybe

At this point I have no clue who will become available 3 months from now

Part of me is hoping for a Portland collapse. I wouldn’t mind sending Ingram, ball, picks and expirings for lillard
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Posted November 10, 2018 - 11:15 AM

As of right now, I'm in on Kuzma and Hart and halfway there with Ball.  As for Ingram and Zubac, I'd call around to see what's out there for 'em.


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Posted November 10, 2018 - 11:33 AM

Ranking our youth at the moment...

 

Fit

Kuzma > Hart > Ball > Ingram

 

Abilities / Aptitude

Ingram > Ball > Kuzma > Hart

 

Potential

Ingram > Ball > Kuzma > Hart

 

Bottom line is the way in which some of our guys have been utilized, it hasn't lead to success.  I'm not going to blame Luke, but it seems as though his inability to find key roles for Ingram and Zo within this offense next to Lebron has been a big issue.  Ingram is primarily used as a slasher or iso post player while Ball is just a floater it seems.  One thing for certain though is Ingram and Ball are likely the two best perimeter defenders on the team.

 

It may be a lack of ability on the players behalf and/or they simply haven't grown used to playing alongside a player such a Lebron.  That or the offensive schemes just aren't the right ones for our current personnel.

 

Ingram and Ball undoubtedly have the greatest upside of any of our young guys.  Let's just hope we either find a way to better include them within the offensive schemes or move on from them sooner rather than later while they're values are still relatively high.  With that being said, I'd be much more open to finding a new Coach and scheme rather than giving up on young talent first.

 

SIDE NOTE:

Lebron should be part of the blame as well.  There's no doubt he's the King and is obviously our best player.  However, watching games, you can tell that the focus and energy level just isn't there right now.  I'm not one to question a players hunger or desire, but there's minimal effort placed by him on the defensive end and on offense, in crunch time, he LOVES SETTLING for long range jumpers.  He's gotta turn it on soon before it's too late.


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Posted November 10, 2018 - 11:40 AM

please close this thread

 

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Posted November 10, 2018 - 12:01 PM

You keep 4 players Hart, Kuzma, SVI and Wagner
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Posted November 10, 2018 - 02:12 PM

With Jimmy off the board there arent any players left that is worth chasing, so the short answer is: not now.

Moving pieces for a guy like Beal without another star or ability to chase another star is like pissing yourself to keep warm.

I ser all-star potential with Zo and BI and high-end role player potential with Kuz and Hart. A lot of people are down on them, but i dont give a [expletive].
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Posted November 10, 2018 - 04:00 PM

Part of me is hoping for a Portland collapse. I wouldn’t mind sending Ingram, ball, picks and expirings for lillard


Woah.
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Posted November 10, 2018 - 04:04 PM

There is no answer to this question yet. Nobody is super available now, but a disgruntled star becomes available every season. Like clockwork. The landscape of this league is always changing.

One thing I do know is that Magic and Rob will make the best decision. I doubted their evaluation of the youth off the rip, but they’ve proven that they know what they’re doing and what they’re trying to build here.

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Posted November 10, 2018 - 06:41 PM

Woah.


I’ve started to respect his game more. And tbh his contract which I’ve hated has become such the norm that I feel like he’s closer to worth the price than most

Like klay, Beal, george these guys are all making money in that range and idk those guys are actually worth that price

It’s a strange time for contracts in the nba
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Posted November 10, 2018 - 10:08 PM



Part of me is hoping for a Portland collapse. I wouldn’t mind sending Ingram, ball, picks and expirings for lillard


Wait what? Dame is great offensively, but his teams never win due to his defense

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Posted November 10, 2018 - 10:31 PM

Wait what? Dame is great offensively, but his teams never win due to his defense

I hate when one aspect of one players game is viewed as the determining factor of how good his team can be. That team has never had a roster that could truly compete. Lillard could be all 1st team D and it wouldn't make a huge difference.

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Posted November 10, 2018 - 10:58 PM

Think you both have a point.
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Posted November 11, 2018 - 12:02 AM

As of right now, I'm in on Kuzma and Hart and halfway there with Ball.  As for Ingram and Zubac, I'd call around to see what's out there for 'em.

 

I agree.  Those 3 would do well once we have a legit #2 option.  NONE of our kids are the #2 we need.  That has a HUGE effect on how they are currently perceived, especially Lonzo.  He's never gonna be a scoring PG like Kyrie, Steph, or Westbrook.



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Posted November 11, 2018 - 10:56 AM

I hate when one aspect of one players game is viewed as the determining factor of how good his team can be. That team has never had a roster that could truly compete. Lillard could be all 1st team D and it wouldn't make a huge difference.

 

If you look at nba history there is a clear correlation between starts that doesn't defend and starts that doesn't win titles.

 

Of course it would help if he was able to defend. That's been their damn weakness every single year and teams exploit it. He's not just bad, he's horrible.

 

And he's had plenty of help too. Lamarcus Aldridge, CJ McCollum as the #2 option, high end roleplayers as well in Wes Matthews, Batum etc.



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Posted November 11, 2018 - 11:04 AM

How many teams outside of the 2004 Detroit Pistons have won championships with guys who only play defense and have poor offense?

Because right now we have maybe 2 guys who I can say are legitimate and consistent offensive players

Lebron and kuzma

If ball and Ingram (who do both play pretty good defense) don’t figure out how to play offense are they going to be worth extending their contracts. I’m in the camp of seeing them play and judging as the season goes but you can’t be in denial that right now they essentially are doing the same thing

Both guys are playing defense, both guys are solid playmakers who really aren’t playmaking right now, and both guys are playing awful on the scoring end

It’s wait and see but dude, they aren’t living up to their draft position right now, that’s not even a question
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