I'd compare the path to the finals. I remember there was some stat that showed the number of 50+ win teams the Lakers had to go though to win compared to how many Lebron had to go through. Night and day difference. Stat's like that give a much needed perspective. It's easy to say the eastern conference is weak. Tensai made some crazy in depth post about east vs west in some thread talking about win differential or some other stat i don't remember. you can go back and look at that (or hopefully someone else can bump that post!!). but i think the 50+win teams will resonate more with the common fan. it's easy to understand and digest the implications.
and it's all a matter of perspective. people say lebron went to 8?7? straight finals and he's 3-7 overall or whatever. OMG GOAT!! that's really impressive, no doubt. but compared to MJ's 6-0 finals record. Sure MJ got bounced out the playoffs more but when he was winning, he was damn near unstoppable. Remember MJ's bulls also had the 72-9 record. MJ also had like what 11 scoring titles in his first 13 seasons. which brings up another point. Lebron is in his 15th season. or just finished. how many did MJ play? you can count his time with the wizards if you want (didn't he post like 20ppg as a 40 year old?)
The rape case really hurt Kobe's legacy. I also think there is a lot of misunderstanding about what happened. When I hear rape, I think of some guy forcing himself onto a girl. That's not exactly what happened. that woman willingly committed adultry with kobe. or was it the other way around? whatever. The rape charge was for the non-consensual sex act Kobe did at the end. he gave her a pearl necklace and she didn't want it. for those who don't know what that is, urban dictionary. everything else the two of them did in that hotel room, was cosensual. he didn't drag her into his room or trick her into coming there. he didn't trick her into having sex with him nor did he force himself on her. all this being said, it's very important to have consent about sex from the beginning all the way to the end. just because a girl is willing to have intimate relations with you doesn't give you the green light to do whatever you want! I AM NOT DEFENDING KOBE BY THE WAY!!!! don't twist my words. homeboy cheated on his wife and committed adultry. I respect him as a basketball savant but not a person.
it's kind of weird. i never really had Kobe over MJ for some of the reason above but I always enjoyed putting kobe over mj anyways. had shaq stayed around a little longer or especially if kobe had willed his team past the suns in game 7 in 05/05 or 06/07 than hands down kobe would be the GOAT. No perimeter scorer has ever won a championship by himself, as far as i know. that feat would probably never happen again and that was the only year kobe or anyone could have really done it. but he didn't and the rest is history. but now that people are not only edging kobe out but putting lebron over MJ? it's damn easy for me to say MJ is the GOAT. i give honorable mention to Kareem even more now because dude literally had the most unstoppable shot.
anyways, my last and most important point. if i'm wrong about the pearl necklace or anything else, i will apologize and admit im wrong. Trust me, if the rape case was worse than i think it was, than i'd like to know. and please, please don't think i was in any way trying to excuse kobe for his actions. I wasn't and if I came off like that, please let me know. and if you think i could have presented my points in a better manner, again, please let me know. thanks!
What would you say if I said that LeBron making it to the finals is better than MJ/Kobe losing in earlier rounds of the playoffs for multiple seasons?