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#1 LakerGeezer

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Posted June 11, 2018 - 07:50 AM

Assuming Lebron is gone, what direction do they take? 

 

First, a little perspective.  The Cavs have had the good fortune, since 2011, of winning the lottery twice.  They have had 5 picks at #4 or above and 2 #1's in that timeframe.  Who have they drafted?

Thompson

Irving

Waiters

Wiggins

Bennett

 

Who did they pass up?

2011:  Kawhi, Jimmy Butler, Klay Thompson

2012:  Lillard, Draymond Green

2013:  Olidipo, Otto Porter, the Greek Freak, Steve Adams, Gobert, CJ McCollum

2014:  Embiid, Aaron Gordon, Randle

 

OK, so no one FO is gonna get it "right" all the time, but do you see the pattern here?  The Cavs, after LBJ left for Miami, had an embarrassment of draft pick riches based upon tanking and then amazingly good luck.  

 

LBJ comes back, this should have been a super team for the rest of his career, with just average FO draft picking and FA acquisitions. 

 

So what's next?  Here would be my plan:

1.  Fire Lue.  The Cavs were not going to beat GSW no matter, but it's pretty evident that Lue is a pedestrian coach.  Go find the next Brad Stevens.

2.  Clean house for picks, at the right time.  Love and Thompson have some trade value (altho the salaries would be tough to handle) and could be moved near the 2019 trade deadline.  Hill, JR Smith, Hood, Korver, Green might fetch some picks if salary can be dumped.

3.  Find a competent and strong GM.  When your first move as a GM (Altman) is to answer the phone when Ainge calls, you're screwed.  This move is key, as they need to find a strong GM who the owner respects.

4.  Convince Gilbert to back off.  Tough to do, but Gilbert is their Jimmie Buss but worse- big ego, activist owner with time on his hands.  At least Gilbert actually made his own money.  I'd make a run at the Utah GM (Lindsey), he's done an incredible job.

5.  Let the young guys play.  There's not a ton of talent there (Clarkson, Nance, Osman, Zizic) but I would find out what they can do.

 

 

 



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Posted June 11, 2018 - 10:57 AM

Well I can see a butt hurt Dan Gilbert offering Julius the max if Lebron comes to LA


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Posted June 11, 2018 - 03:00 PM

LBJ screwed them over by getting TT and JR those fat contracts. Enjoy it 



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Posted June 11, 2018 - 08:03 PM

After they lose Lebron all they can hope for is that Kevin Love reverts to the Minny version of himself, which would be putting up gaudy numbers on a bad team. Although, if that does happen they will probably make the playoffs in the weak east. 


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Posted June 12, 2018 - 12:28 PM

Where do the Cavs go?

Back to the bottom of the food-chain, just like they did when Lebron left the first time.

If anything, they're even in a worst position now then before considering all the money they have tied up for the next 2 seasons.

 

Love - $50 million (Next 2 years)

Thompson - $37 million (Next 2 years)

JR Smith - $30 million (Next 2 years)

Clarkson - $26 million (Next 2 years)

George Hill - $39 million (Next 2 years)

Kyle Korver - $15 million (Next 2 years)

 

That's about $95 million tied up for the next 2 years into 1 extremely injury prone All-Star on the decline and a handful of role players whom have peaked if not are on the decline as well.

 

- After Lebron left the first time, they were a lottery team and acquired the 1st overall pick like 3/4 years he was gone (1,4,1,1).  The lottery is back to where they're headed.  

- There's no reason to fire Lue considering they just extended him to a 5 year 35 million deal.

- Dan Gilbert is the owner, and a brass one at that, he won't step down as long as he owns the team.  If you're a Cleveland native, your only hope is he sells the entire franchise.

 

Dan Gilbert got what he was asking for.  The Kyrie trade sealed his fate as well as the franchises future.  You don't go trading your 2nd best player and best point guard in the Eastern Conference without the consent and opinion of Lebron.



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Posted June 12, 2018 - 12:57 PM

LeGM

 

 

Hope that MAgic and Rob don't let Lebron do whatever he cares, he's terrible as an executive.


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Posted June 15, 2018 - 03:42 PM

Down to the lottery again!



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Posted June 15, 2018 - 05:07 PM

He hasnt even left

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Posted June 22, 2018 - 08:19 AM

They’ll be ok. They just got rid of the cancerous ball hogging team obliterator. Now they can have a passing motion offense that actually wins rings.


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Posted June 22, 2018 - 08:23 AM

They’ll be ok. They just got rid of the cancerous ball hogging team obliterator. Now they can have a passing motion offense that actually wins rings.

 

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Posted June 23, 2018 - 12:50 PM

They’ll be ok. They just got rid of the cancerous ball hogging team obliterator. Now they can have a passing motion offense that actually wins rings.


Skip is that you?

Btw there is some truth here

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Posted July 01, 2018 - 05:15 PM

Ok so he's gone now.  Cavs are at the cap, with a crappy mix of over paid vets, role players and marginal young talent.  What's net?



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Posted July 01, 2018 - 07:26 PM

Trade all their assets for what they can get and tank. Love can't possibly end the year on the roster.

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Posted July 01, 2018 - 11:28 PM

Their pick is only Top 5 protected in 2019 draft and even if they tank, they might not retain their pick with new draft rules.

 

Play out 18/19 and start fresh next summer. They at least have a PG in Colin Sexton to build around.


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Posted July 02, 2018 - 05:36 AM

Here would be my rough plan:

Trade vets that are tradeable now, looking for picks and young talent.  Love and Hood are about it.  Maybe Korver at the deadline. 

 

Hill and Smith are on bad contracts and probably not tradeable.  I'd stretch one of them (Smith).

 

Fire Lue and look for the next Brad Stevens.

 

Put Altman on the clock.  His moves have been terrible; the only reason he gets another chance is that he was working with a win now/ no budget mandate from the owner.



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Posted July 02, 2018 - 11:20 AM

They are going to try and make the playoffs. They will retain love and probably overpay some decent player. Celvland won't be able to do a thing until Gilbert sells. Welcome to Knicks 2.0. 



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Posted July 02, 2018 - 11:46 AM

Gilbert is fine. Espn got yall brainwashed

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Posted July 02, 2018 - 03:38 PM

Their pick is top 10 protected for 2019 and 2020 not top 5. They should tank. Maybe they won't but they should.

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Posted July 02, 2018 - 03:41 PM

Honestly?  Cross their fingers for Collin Sexton to turn into a star, and then get a top three pick to select someone like Zion Williamson next year.



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Posted July 06, 2018 - 09:55 AM

Here would be my rough plan:
Trade vets that are tradeable now, looking for picks and young talent. Love and Hood are about it. Maybe Korver at the deadline.
This may not be the right time as cap space is limited but certainly try and trade off vets and father picks it’s full rebuild mode but don’t fire Lue yet you’d need to know who your next coach is first it’s smarter!
Hill and Smith are on bad contracts and probably not tradeable. I'd stretch one of them (Smith).

Fire Lue and look for the next Brad Stevens.

Put Altman on the clock. His moves have been terrible; the only reason he gets another chance is that he was working with a win now/ no budget mandate from the owner.


Edited by DaSmoothOperator, July 06, 2018 - 09:58 AM.





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