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#1 Tensai

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Posted March 22, 2018 - 08:55 PM

I'm developing a project named NBA Player Spectrum. There is no purpose. Just for fun.

 

So according to the status, role, hype and other contributing factors, the players will be grouped into 9 different categories. Following a set of rules, the players will be placed into respective categories. And they can promote or demote according to their performance. The categories are as follows:

 

1. Superstar

2. Allstar

3. Key Starter

4. Specialist

5. Rotation

6. Benchwarmer

7. Scrub

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A. Great Prospect

B. Project

C. Novice

 

After years of lottery experience, I find it difficult to follow the player influx in Lakers, leave other teams. And usually it is hard to gage how good the teams are/can be by their records as injuries can play big factor in deciding team records. Just for fun, but if you guys want to buy in, then maybe we can develop it together in the thread. I will post our team's performance spectrum and Warriors as reference.

 

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#2 DanishLakerFan

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Posted March 22, 2018 - 10:47 PM

Interesting stuff. I would probably have come up with different groups, but i like the overall idea.

 

For a rebuilding team like the Lakers i think it would be interesting to have a temporal aspect. Where Lonzo is right now isn't really as interesting as where we would be expected to be in a couple of years.

 

FiveThirtyEight have some interesting player projections that could be implemented in such a spectrum.

 

https://projects.fiv...ht.com/carmelo/


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#3 Tensai

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Posted March 22, 2018 - 11:47 PM

Interesting stuff. I would probably have come up with different groups, but i like the overall idea.

 

For a rebuilding team like the Lakers i think it would be interesting to have a temporal aspect. Where Lonzo is right now isn't really as interesting as where we would be expected to be in a couple of years.

 

FiveThirtyEight have some interesting player projections that could be implemented in such a spectrum.

 

https://projects.fiv...ht.com/carmelo/

 

What would you have in mind as groups?

 

edit: Just popped into my mind, but projections could be possibly shown by directional arrows. And if the arrows have discrete lines, then the propagation could be shown with respect to year by year.


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#4 DanishLakerFan

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Posted March 23, 2018 - 01:56 AM

What would you have in mind as groups?

 

edit: Just popped into my mind, but projections could be possibly shown by directional arrows. And if the arrows have discrete lines, then the propagation could be shown with respect to year by year.

I think arrows could work.

 

Havent given much thought to which categories, but maybe something along the lines of:

 

Superstar (KD, Lebron)

All-star (Klay, DErozan)

Key starter (Randle, Howard)

Rotation (Trevor Ariza, Larry Nance)

End of bench (Corey Brewer)

Replacement (Thomas Bryant)

Scrub (Every Celtic)

(Tyler Ennis)

 

 


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Posted March 23, 2018 - 12:00 PM

I know you mean well but those seem completely subjective.


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#6 DanishLakerFan

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Posted March 24, 2018 - 04:03 AM

You could use one of the catch-all stats as a measuring stick to make it a bit more objective. PER would be decent in that regard.


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Posted March 25, 2018 - 11:41 AM

I think arrows could work.

 

Havent given much thought to which categories, but maybe something along the lines of:

 

Superstar (KD, Lebron)

All-star (Klay, DErozan)

Key starter (Randle, Howard)

Rotation (Trevor Ariza, Larry Nance)

End of bench (Corey Brewer)

Replacement (Thomas Bryant)

Scrub (Every Celtic)

(Tyler Ennis)

 

 

 

:ph34r:  :D


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#8 Tensai

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Posted March 25, 2018 - 06:52 PM

I support the scrub tag on every celtic. :glasses:

 

So based on the previous rules, and valuable feedback by Danish, I have decided to integrate more rigid boundaries for categorization. I think especially the middle ground could use some resolution. Therefore, I came up with the followings:

 

1. Superstar (self explained)

2. Allstar (One Allstar appearance in last 3 years & PER 20+ in current season)

3. Key Starter (Starter as MPG 30+ & PER 18+)

4. Specialist (offensive, defensive or shooting specialist that ranks Top 30 in respective rankings - ORtg, DRtg or TS% while playing MPG 20+)

5. Rotation Player (players in the rotation - plays in most games)

6. Benchwarmer (players not in the rotation - plays once in a while, or in garbage time)

7. Scrub (players not in the rotation a.k.a DNP - Scrub)

 

I think it could be better to have the rookie/sophomore years rankings as a seperate category. And adding more resolution into that, it should be possible differentiate where the players rank with respect to each other.

 

A. Great Prospect (MPG 25+ & PER 15+)

B. Project (MPG 20+ & PER 10+)

C. Novice (remaining players)

 

So based on the previous rules with some modification,

 

1. Rookie and Sophomore players are placed under the categories A, B, and C by their performances. After 2 years, they are bumped to general categories (from 1 to 7) based on the category specifications.

2. If a player fails to fit any of the general categories, eye test will be used for categorization.


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Posted March 25, 2018 - 09:14 PM

Where's #8? aka the Deng category

#10 Tensai

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Posted March 25, 2018 - 10:12 PM

The google spreadsheet of updated version with 6 teams:

 

https://docs.google....dit?usp=sharing

 

The files will be updated with feedback on the thread. So any comments or inputs are encouraged.

 

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EDIT:

 

I've revised the rule to be under Allstar category as following:

 

One Allstar appearance OR One All-NBA Selection in last 3 years& PER 20+ in current season (aka Rudy Gobert rule lol)

 

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PS: If there are people who want to contribute directly, give me your gmail address on PM, and I will add in.


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#11 Tensai

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Posted March 26, 2018 - 12:55 AM

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After 9 teams or so, the pattern became obvious. The yellow bell curve is the current Warriors & Rockets. The blue bell curve is the current Cavs team. The red bell curve is the Thunder 2009-11. The actual shape will differ for most teams, but the pattern will be similar. I think last year's Lakers team resembled more of red curve, while this year's team resembles more of the yellow curve. Our rebuilding strategy should continue to build on to it (yellow curve).


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