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#101 Tensai

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Posted March 07, 2018 - 10:12 PM

And before everything else, there is a morality issue here. Magic is playing on the road, and they have no control whatsoever on the clock management. The clock, refs should be neutral but they weren't in this case. There is a clear violation, and mistrust. Seriously, the Magic should sue the referee trio. Vogel was way too civil in that instance. In the heat of playoff atmosphere, some other coach may not have. It is NBA's responsibility to make this game fair.


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#102 Tensai

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Posted March 07, 2018 - 10:16 PM

I believe it's because the clock started after the ball was in-bounded but before it was touched. Neither team gained possession so it's a jump. 

If the clock started before it was released from the in-bounder's hands they would have done it over.

If Orlando grabbed the ball they would have been given possession, or if the Lakers did, they would be given possession. Instead, the ball was slapped.

The rule clearly wasn't written with this situation in mind. They need to change it as quickly as possible.

 

It doesn't matter. There are a lot of instances where the clock doesn't even start and player advances the ball, or the clock shows different count, or even the horn goes off prematurely, and in all those instances the refs need to stop the game and solve the problem, rewind and give the possession to whomever had it at last instance.

 

The Magic had the ball, but the clock started before touching any players hands. So the possession should have been Magic's with the remaining time on the clock. I don't see how it would be any different. The clock was the problem when it should have been neutral for both teams.


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#103 lildvl10

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Posted March 07, 2018 - 10:17 PM

The worse thing about this is, it was a ref who started the clock per eric pincus
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#104 MaceWindu

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Posted March 07, 2018 - 10:25 PM

NBA Rule 7 Section 2 (2) i - If an official inadvertently blows his whistle and the 24-second clock buzzer sounds while the ball is in the air, play shall be suspended and play resumed by a jump ball between any two opponents at the center circle.

#105 Tensai

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Posted March 07, 2018 - 10:26 PM

Let's say Lonzo throws a full court pass after inbounding on the Lakers court, but the clock stops counting the moment it leaves Lonzo's hands and it flies cross-court 1-2 seconds without the clock ticking. Just because no team had possession of the ball in mid air, would they call a jump ball? That would be ridiciluous, wouldn't it?

 

And that example could have very well been on the last 2 seconds of the game, therefore unfairly giving the Lakers advantage to secure a shot.


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Posted March 07, 2018 - 10:27 PM

The rule is under Clock Malfunction in the rule book. If referees determine it’s a clock malfunction, they’ll go to replay. If they determined no team had possession, the ball will be jumped at center circle between any two opponents in the game.

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Posted March 08, 2018 - 01:34 AM

The rule is under Clock Malfunction in the rule book. If referees determine it’s a clock malfunction, they’ll go to replay. If they determined no team had possession, the ball will be jumped at center circle between any two opponents in the game.

So it's up to referee's to decide? I thought when the clock runs out when the ball is in the air there shall be a jumpball. If it's on the referees to decide between resetting the clock and a jump ball, then this might be the worst mistake they made :D


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#108 Rekal

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Posted March 08, 2018 - 04:17 AM

Lonzo really getting confident in his 3 ball, 13 attempts

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Posted March 08, 2018 - 06:53 AM

Maybe the refs got it right, but that's a bad rule.  It's not the reason Orlando lost though, their final play had low odds of working.



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Posted March 08, 2018 - 07:32 AM

That rule literally makes no sense. That’s like in the nfl a team has the ball on the goal like with seconds left and the clock goes off early. So the refs say hey we started the clock early instead of you getting the ball at the goal line where you had it we are pushing you back to midfield. That would be ludicrous. Same thing here. Rewind the clock and do the damn play over again.

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Posted March 08, 2018 - 08:07 PM

Well, NBA Last Two Minute Report is out:

 

 

On the inbound pass, referees were reasonably certain that there was a clock malfunction and triggered an Instant Replay under Rule 13.1.a.5. After review, it is confirmed that the game clock was inadvertently started by the referee crew and that time expired before the ball was touched. The clock is correctly reset to 0:00.6. However, since the pass was still in the air when the clock expired, the ball was still in ORL’s possession and thus ORL should have retained possession on the sideline at the nearest spot. Had the ball been touched by LAL prior to the expiration of the clock, it would have been considered a loose ball and the jump ball ruling would have been correct.
 
 

It echoes what we said yesterday. It was Orlando's possession and the refs [expletive]ed it up.


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#112 DaSmoothOperator

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Posted March 09, 2018 - 03:21 PM

They did it for “basketball reasons”

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Posted March 11, 2018 - 06:30 AM

I believe it's because the clock started after the ball was in-bounded but before it was touched. Neither team gained possession so it's a jump. 

If the clock started before it was released from the in-bounder's hands they would have done it over.

If Orlando grabbed the ball they would have been given possession, or if the Lakers did, they would be given possession. Instead, the ball was slapped.

The rule clearly wasn't written with this situation in mind. They need to change it as quickly as possible.

Or be prepared to have clock employee determine outcomes, rather than refs.

 

IMO the employee should absolutely be suspended at the least, lose job at the most.

And thats WITH giving us the victory


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Posted March 11, 2018 - 06:32 AM

The worse thing about this is, it was a ref who started the clock per eric pincus

Come to think, thats right, don't they have a button they squeeze?

Maybe not the clock guy but the ref needs to be disciplined publicly.


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