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Fire Luke Walton: An in depth analysis of our fatal deficiencies this season


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#81 kray28

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Posted October 23, 2017 - 10:59 AM

Mark Jackson is the right coach for this team.

 

I don't think he is. There's a good reason he got fired by the Warriors too. 


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Posted October 23, 2017 - 11:00 AM

I don't think he is. There's a good reason he got fired by the Warriors too. 

 

What was that reason? He had a young team that had not peaked and did not have the right players yet.  I'd rather have Mark Jackson developing Lonzo like he did with Curry instead of bench warmer Luke Walton.


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Posted October 23, 2017 - 11:02 AM

Lakers need to be patient with this young team and also with their young coach. Luke is not a bad coach, he just has a really young team that didn't have enough time in preseason to learn to play together. This year preseason was shorter than usual, and the Lakers had numerous key injuries. 

 

Be patient. 


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Posted October 23, 2017 - 11:02 AM

What was that reason?

Think partly he was a vocal homophobe 


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Praying for  1. Some Cohesion (Ill fitting parts with young bucks, new guys, and those playing for next contracts may muck things up all season) 2. Better Coaching, No More Tanking (Last season was more of the latter but not sure how much of the former we can count on. Walton with something to prove this season as much as any Laker player) 3. Rookie Watch (Hoping Lonzo outshines his daddy (ROTY??), and Kuzma finds minutes and makes a push for all rook 2nd team)

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Posted October 23, 2017 - 11:03 AM

Mark Jackson is the right coach for this team.


Mark Jackson is a cheerleader, pep talk guy. Woukd do absolutely nothing to help this team. Luke is the right guy for what is going on now. Which is developing young players for multiple seasons.
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Posted October 23, 2017 - 11:04 AM

What was that reason?

 

There were multiple reasons. He also apparently was fond of proselytizing his players. Enough to get several key Warrior players really annoyed with him. He made enemies in management too, and that's what did him in. 

 

While crediting Jackson for changing the Warriors’ culture, Lacob said he didn’t think the team “could be great” without removing a coach he characterized as unwilling to hire better assistants and disliked by many in the organization.

 

http://www.mercuryne...g-mark-jackson/


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Posted October 23, 2017 - 11:07 AM

Think partly he was a vocal homophobe 

 

Oh yeah...I forgot about that....



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Posted October 23, 2017 - 12:24 PM

We can have all the talent in the world, but a PnR + iso offense will hold us back. 

 

It also doesn't take talent to run an offense or defense. It takes coaching to figure out a scheme and tell players to run it. The Knicks ran the triangle (albeit badly) even with a [expletive] team, but you could see them at least trying to do something. Cut, move off ball, anything really...

 

Somebody brought up the Heat going 10-10. That is because they switched their offense from an iso based one and then started seeing good results. It wasn't time to gel, it was a change in offensive strategy. 



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Posted October 23, 2017 - 04:39 PM

Watch the beginning of this excellent video. Shows how once teams start to limit our transition, our offense is hopeless.

 



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Posted October 25, 2017 - 09:38 PM

Luke did a good job in last two games. For this young players to execute like we did in last minutes and OT is a good thing.


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Posted October 25, 2017 - 09:43 PM

Luke isn't the problem.

 

The offense isn't the problem.

 

 

We need time and the team needs to execute.  The little things are important.  Finding the right lineups takes time.

 

 

Once again, we need to be patient.


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Posted October 25, 2017 - 09:56 PM

Still thought the offense was too stagnant down the stretch. Kuzma made some nice off ball cuts during PnR plays and that was what lead to the open looks. But that is his good bball IQ at work, as he always does this. 

 

If Randle can play D like that, I'm good with switching every PnR.



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Posted October 25, 2017 - 10:15 PM

The half court offense is not there at all, but tonight we played some good D, and Luke's getting better with the rotations. It's something.

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Posted October 25, 2017 - 10:20 PM

Still thought the offense was too stagnant down the stretch. Kuzma made some nice off ball cuts during PnR plays and that was what lead to the open looks. But that is his good bball IQ at work, as he always does this. 

 

If Randle can play D like that, I'm good with switching every PnR.

 

 

 

Moving parts have to move.

Rhythm has to be there.

Players have to work together.

 

 

Offense can't work if they don't do the little things...it's like trying to run the Triangle without a BIG or Big Guard that can post up or pass from the High Post...

 

This offense needs players that play well together AND players who understand the basic fundamentals of a motion offense:  If you don't have the ball in your hands, you're either screening (on or off the ball) or cutting (to the rim or to the ball).  Simple.

 

 

 

Until our guys learn the basics, it's unfair to blame the offense...you don't blame a Ferrari when a bad driver crashes it, no?


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Posted October 25, 2017 - 10:43 PM

 

If our offense had players cutting and screening for each other like GSW does, you'd be surprised how good we'd be (offensively).  The system isn't the problem.  Have to execute.  Steph Curry and Draymond Green set the most screens in that offense, IMHO...and they are 2 of it's best players.  KD sets decent screens too.  If we had Ball, Ingram, Randle, Lopez and KCP setting screens like that, we'd make the playoffs easily...we'd lose in the 1st round but I have no problem saying we'd beat a lot of teams in the regular season grind.


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Posted October 25, 2017 - 11:14 PM

 

If our offense had players cutting and screening for each other like GSW does, you'd be surprised how good we'd be (offensively).  The system isn't the problem.  Have to execute.  Steph Curry and Draymond Green set the most screens in that offense, IMHO...and they are 2 of it's best players.  KD sets decent screens too.  If we had Ball, Ingram, Randle, Lopez and KCP setting screens like that, we'd make the playoffs easily...we'd lose in the 1st round but I have no problem saying we'd beat a lot of teams in the regular season grind.

 

This 100%

 

I like the following explanation by Kerr as well:

 


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Posted October 26, 2017 - 12:15 AM

This 100%

 

I like the following explanation by Kerr as well:

 

 

 

 

It takes time, too.  Steph, Klay, Green and Barnes had chemistry before Kerr.  He just put them all in the right position to succeed.  Our guys need to dedicate themselves to a certain brand of basketball (free-flowing and unselfish) and they need to commit to the basics of this Motion Offense.  No more standing around and no more weak screens.

 

Lots of new players.  

Little to no chemistry as a team.  

Little to no experience in this type of offense.

Little to no commitment to moving without the ball.

Little to no commitment to letting the ball find the open man.

 

We have LOTS of issues...the offensive system isn't one of them.


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Posted October 26, 2017 - 03:24 AM

Kerr is such a damn good interview.

Players and fans could do worse than listening carefully to the guy

Thanks for posting

Damn, I wanna play for the guy!

And im an old short white guy way past playing age


Edited by kball, October 26, 2017 - 03:24 AM.

Praying for  1. Some Cohesion (Ill fitting parts with young bucks, new guys, and those playing for next contracts may muck things up all season) 2. Better Coaching, No More Tanking (Last season was more of the latter but not sure how much of the former we can count on. Walton with something to prove this season as much as any Laker player) 3. Rookie Watch (Hoping Lonzo outshines his daddy (ROTY??), and Kuzma finds minutes and makes a push for all rook 2nd team)

READY FOR SEASON!!!

 

 


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Posted October 26, 2017 - 09:14 AM

Still thought the offense was too stagnant down the stretch. Kuzma made some nice off ball cuts during PnR plays and that was what lead to the open looks. But that is his good bball IQ at work, as he always does this. 

 

If Randle can play D like that, I'm good with switching every PnR.

 

that's right, but the offense wasn't stagnabt at all watch this min9:03

 

 

4 players involved and KCP spacing the floor, nice play. Of the 5 players on the floor, 4 are youngs players and 2 are rookies, we didn't do this last season probably last season would have be an iso to Dlo or Lou.
 
 
27 assist on 41 Fg assist ratio of 65%, good numbers.


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Posted October 26, 2017 - 10:12 AM

We've been in every game to start the year except 1. And we're 2-2 with an entirely brand new roster almost and a bunch of guys playing with each other for the first time

Likes doing a good job plain and simple
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