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#501 Jody Smokes

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Posted November 09, 2017 - 12:40 PM

They did that once they traded DLo for cap space.  If they don't get those 2 big time free agents then they HAVE to retain Randle. 

 

best fit with a dream scenario where Lebron and Boogie decide to come here to play with Lonzo, Ingram, Kuzma

I’m not putting my eggs in that basket


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Posted November 09, 2017 - 12:57 PM

They did that once they traded DLo for cap space.  If they don't get those 2 big time free agents then they HAVE to retain Randle. 

Yeah sigh. What are the Lakers FO doing.



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Posted November 09, 2017 - 01:00 PM

Randle playing thise extra minutes wasnt gone us the game.
The team is playing much better than it should.

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Posted November 09, 2017 - 01:02 PM

They did that once they traded DLo for cap space. If they don't get those 2 big time free agents then they HAVE to retain Randle.


Nah. Thry have to give themselves a chance but ultimately no Dlo.ipens up the floor for a better defensive 2... for Lonzo to control the ball... to send a message to the players. To get an albatross off the contract

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Posted November 09, 2017 - 01:40 PM

People keep forgetting:

1) KCP's agent is still LeBron's agent

The Lakers aren't making any moves without some sort of assurances...


He’s also Nerlen Noels and Eric Bledsoe’s Agent too


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Posted November 09, 2017 - 02:59 PM

KCP is a stop gap.  They didn't trade DLo to simply upgrade on defense.  Lonzo wasn't a primary control the ball type of PG in college.  His weaknesses are on display at large when he's force into that role.  All the evidence shows that DLo and Ball would have played great off of each other. 

 

Im with you on the contract though.  However, getting out of that contract means ZIP if they can't sign a max player or 2 this coming offseason. 

 

Nah. Thry have to give themselves a chance but ultimately no Dlo.ipens up the floor for a better defensive 2... for Lonzo to control the ball... to send a message to the players. To get an albatross off the contract


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Posted November 09, 2017 - 06:41 PM

Ok, looks like Julius has read Woj's report. Trade him now, lazy Randle will be even harder to move.

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Posted November 09, 2017 - 06:53 PM

KCP is a stop gap.  They didn't trade DLo to simply upgrade on defense.  Lonzo wasn't a primary control the ball type of PG in college.  His weaknesses are on display at large when he's force into that role.  All the evidence shows that DLo and Ball would have played great off of each other. 

 

Im with you on the contract though.  However, getting out of that contract means ZIP if they can't sign a max player or 2 this coming offseason. 

Let's not forget that Lakers could've easily waited and let Russell play this year out and STILL have the opportunity to move Mozgov/Deng in a trade.


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Posted November 09, 2017 - 07:55 PM

If we cant get a good player in return for a package of Julius Randle and Luol Deng or if what's being asked of us is unreasonable, we should just try a short term deal to make things work with Randle. He wants to be here, he just needs to be told very explicitly what to do, all the time. Isn't that what coaching is for? Didn't we want a grip of young players? Well, this is the down side to having a bunch of young players. Why should Randle be punished that Mitch Kupchak signed Deng to a massive deal. Why take a risk on a draft pick when we have a capable player right now in Randle.

 

Let's just accept that there is no get rich quick scheme and that success takes awhile to build on.


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Posted November 09, 2017 - 08:00 PM

The Lakers are getting plenty of money from the Nike revenue share, from Wish, from Time Warner.

 

The NBA salary cap is not a hard cap. The Buss family is just going to have to have to pay the luxury tax if it comes down to it.

 

Besides, Time Warner/Wish may be willing to pay some part of it short term. Let's not give away good players hastily for nothing good back in return for the sake of being cheap. We've been pinching pennies long enough, the Lakers ought to be competitive. It's unfair asking the fans to pay their expensive Time Warner Spectrum who raised prices recently, and you're putting out a sorry ass product. Let's be competitive.


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Posted November 10, 2017 - 06:53 AM

Trading Randle/Deng has little if anything to do with saving money.  This isn't penny pinching.  They need CAP SPACE.  Just because the NBA doesnt have a hard cap doesnt mean they can just spend whatever they want.  

 

The Lakers are getting plenty of money from the Nike revenue share, from Wish, from Time Warner.

 

The NBA salary cap is not a hard cap. The Buss family is just going to have to have to pay the luxury tax if it comes down to it.

 

Besides, Time Warner/Wish may be willing to pay some part of it short term. Let's not give away good players hastily for nothing good back in return for the sake of being cheap. We've been pinching pennies long enough, the Lakers ought to be competitive. It's unfair asking the fans to pay their expensive Time Warner Spectrum who raised prices recently, and you're putting out a sorry ass product. Let's be competitive.


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Posted November 10, 2017 - 08:00 AM

If we cant get a good player in return for a package of Julius Randle and Luol Deng or if what's being asked of us is unreasonable, we should just try a short term deal to make things work with Randle. He wants to be here, he just needs to be told very explicitly what to do, all the time. Isn't that what coaching is for? Didn't we want a grip of young players? Well, this is the down side to having a bunch of young players. Why should Randle be punished that Mitch Kupchak signed Deng to a massive deal. Why take a risk on a draft pick when we have a capable player right now in Randle.

 

Let's just accept that there is no get rich quick scheme and that success takes awhile to build on.

We now understand that the laws of business and nature apply equally to our team.  It's been awhile since I have seen the "but we're the Lakers" posts, and that's good.  Randle is probably better than anything we are going to get in the draft anytime soon.  The more I think about it, the more I want to see the young guys we have stay together for at least a year and gel, lets see what they can do.


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Posted November 10, 2017 - 08:40 AM

The Lakers are getting plenty of money from the Nike revenue share, from Wish, from Time Warner.

 

The NBA salary cap is not a hard cap. The Buss family is just going to have to have to pay the luxury tax if it comes down to it.

 

Besides, Time Warner/Wish may be willing to pay some part of it short term. Let's not give away good players hastily for nothing good back in return for the sake of being cheap. We've been pinching pennies long enough, the Lakers ought to be competitive. It's unfair asking the fans to pay their expensive Time Warner Spectrum who raised prices recently, and you're putting out a sorry ass product. Let's be competitive.

 

It's not a "hard cap"; but, you have to have capacity to go out and get the talent you want, before exceeding.   In order to acquire the likes of Lebron, George, etc., via free agency, they either A) need the salary capacity to do it; or, B) complete a sign and trade

 

Luxury tax payments will come.  But that will occur after they acquire the players they want, and agree to pay taxes to keep the roster together.  (That is, if they get the players they want).  


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Posted November 10, 2017 - 01:42 PM

http://www.espn.com/...yrie-irving-nba

 

My favorite thing about the Lakers' real rookie sensation: Kyle Kuzma's shoot-pass-or-drive decisiveness when the ball swings his way. Secondary players cannot afford to hesitate, even for a second or two, when they get the ball against a scrambling defense. It strangles possessions. It gives the defense a chance to reset itself.

Kuzma varies his tactics depending on matchups. If he has a bigger, slower guy on him, Kuzma catches and goes without a real pump fake:

 

He has soft touch with both hands, and a deep bag of wackadoo hooks and runners. Against wings who can match his speed, Kuzma will unleash a mean fake, and whoosh away if they take the bait:

 

 

The threat of Kuzma's shot has made him a snug fit next to both Julius Randleand now Brook Lopez in L.A.'s revamped starting five. (Randle Hill is thriving, by the way.)

Some adversity is coming, and it may have started last night in a blowout loss against the Wizards. Kuzma is squishy on defense, and he's shooting only 30 percent from deep. It just feels like he has been more accurate. He'll have to make more for that pump-fake to remain convincing.


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Posted November 10, 2017 - 01:43 PM

Randle is the only player avg. at least 11 pts and 6 boards in 20 or less minutes (19.2 minutes) Shooting - 60.7% percent - 6th best in the league via Serena Winters
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Posted November 10, 2017 - 03:00 PM

I know it's not the be-all/end-all, but Clarkson and Randle are the only 2 Lakers with PER of 20, or greater.   Lopez and Kuzma are not far behind in the 19+ range.  


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Posted November 11, 2017 - 02:27 AM

I know it's not the be-all/end-all, but Clarkson and Randle are the only 2 Lakers with PER of 20, or greater.   Lopez and Kuzma are not far behind in the 19+ range.  

 

They've been awesome, but there is a financial reality that has to be taken into consideration.


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Posted November 12, 2017 - 03:34 AM

They did that once they traded DLo for cap space.  If they don't get those 2 big time free agents then they HAVE to retain Randle. 

 

 

I disagree.  They would be wise to make him a priority but I think Lopez would be a bigger need at C unless Randle proves he can play more consistently against starter quality players.

 

And the Free Agent Pool doesn't dry up beyond max players.


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Posted November 12, 2017 - 03:37 AM

I know it's not the be-all/end-all, but Clarkson and Randle are the only 2 Lakers with PER of 20, or greater.   Lopez and Kuzma are not far behind in the 19+ range.  

 

Clarkson and Randle have had similar impacts on the game their entire NBA careers...Clarkson's been more consistent which is why he's been on the floor more.  Neither are worth trashing our Free Agent Plans in the Summer of 2018.


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Posted November 12, 2017 - 03:41 AM

It's not a "hard cap"; but, you have to have capacity to go out and get the talent you want, before exceeding.   In order to acquire the likes of Lebron, George, etc., via free agency, they either A) need the salary capacity to do it; or, B) complete a sign and trade

 

Luxury tax payments will come.  But that will occur after they acquire the players they want, and agree to pay taxes to keep the roster together.  (That is, if they get the players they want).  

 

Lakers won't have to worry about Luxury Tax Payments until Ingram is up for an extension, at least 3 years away.  They can sign 2 max players this year, pay them well for 3 years and once Ingram's extension kicks in, they only pay 1 year of Lux tax before they have to make a decision.

 

Not a problem.


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