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#41 stillshining

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Posted April 23, 2017 - 06:09 AM

The bottom line I believe Magic is shooting for is for the team to be in the best hape possible to do something different. He may being saying "we may not be the most skilled team, but we won't be tired in the fourth quarter after running all game"

exactly,people take things way too literally. All he's really saying is he wants next year's group to be in the best possible shape

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Posted April 23, 2017 - 08:56 AM

The bottom line I believe Magic is shooting for is for the team to be in the best hape possible to do something different. He may being saying "we may not be the most skilled team, but we won't be tired in the fourth quarter after running all game"

Magich?

Edited by BasketballIQ, April 23, 2017 - 08:57 AM.


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Posted April 23, 2017 - 07:14 PM

"Oh don't take Magic so literally." 

Why? The guy he's getting it from meant it VERY literally.   That guy?  Pat Riley 

 

Pat Riley did the same thing in Miami and he benched veterans for measuring 9% when their target was 8% body fat. Same as Magic's. 

http://www.espn.com/...tory?id=2718996

 

"There's been an ongoing conditioning goal that our team has
had to make since the summer. ... January was the deadline, they
haven't made it, and they knew this was going to happen if they
didn't make it," Riley said. "By the way, both of them are in the
best condition of their lives. They're very close. But a deadline
is a deadline."

 

Posey said his deactivation stemmed from a rule the Heat has

about body fat. He said his body fat is 9 percent, but Riley wanted
it to be 8 percent.

"He wants the weight to be down and he has his standards, I
guess, for the bigs and the perimeters or whatever," Posey said.
"It's the weight and for the perimeters [it's] 8 percent body fat.
... I'm at 9 percent body fat. And, that's not eight."

 

It's not a coincidence. 

fyi the year he decided to do this, the defending champ Heat won 44 games, down from the 52 games they'd won the year prior, were plagued by injuries and were swept in the First Round by the Chicago Bulls 0-4.

So yeah....


Edited by Majesty, April 23, 2017 - 07:14 PM.

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Posted April 24, 2017 - 10:14 PM

Body fat percentage is being measured more accurately now so it is possible to hover in the 6-8 range. Now it's not necessary but it's possible. Anything lower is what bodybuilders look to achieve on competition day

6-10 is normal for a pro athlete

Hugh Hackman got to 5-6 for wolverine. A lot of it is just dieting. Healthy is 6-8 for an athlete. It's maintainable and healthy

9-10 is still good. Anything higher for a player in their early 20s is too much imo. Players 18-21 years old are still growing into their bodies so it's not abnormal to hover in the 8-12 range

But a 24 year old pro athlete should be in the 6-10 range at least. They have elite nutritionists to keep their diet in check with good tasting food and professional trainers at their disposal around the clock

So while I don't love all of what magic has to say I like what he's trying to achieve with this. Though with how young our roster is id set expectations more in the 8-10 range

muscle content is huge as well. Someone like lebron has an easier time achieving 8% body fat than Brandon Ingram for example

Dwight Howard could hit 6-8% easy compared to zubac

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Posted April 25, 2017 - 10:36 AM

As previously stated this is kind of ridiculous. When I was playing college ball I was hovering around 7% or so. It's super easy to get out of that range but 14-15% really isn't that bad for a top-level athlete. Soon as I started lifting more it started to creep up that much easier to the 12-15% range. 

 

It's difficult to get and maintain single digit ranges. 


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Posted April 25, 2017 - 11:56 AM

Well you always make your goals just beyond reach so you do your very best to attain them, if you come up a little short look what improvement you've made, lower body fat coupled with endurance, should go far into improvement. Glad to see an active FrontOffice now if they did Riles workouts no one could last, they were over the top. I had suggested a defensive skill camp to improve fundamentals



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Posted April 28, 2017 - 01:07 PM

"I have never seen a thin person drinking Diet Coke." -Magic Johnson


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Posted May 04, 2017 - 01:13 PM

this is probably one of the reasons why Tim DiFrancesco resigned yesterday



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Posted May 04, 2017 - 04:34 PM

this is probably one of the reasons why Tim DiFrancesco resigned yesterday

So many changes. Yeah him.

Vitti last year.

Players. Training. Scouting. GM'ing. Family'ing.

 

Just wow. Its a bloodbath


Praying for  1. Youngsters Ballin (Didn't really happen on a consistent basis at all) 2. Miracle Trade (Also didn't happen. And we traded our best player for chump change) 3. Kick Ass Rooks (Zubac exceeded, Ingram tried but disappointed overall)

READY FOR SEASON TO BE OVER!!!

 

 


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Posted May 04, 2017 - 06:43 PM

So many changes. Yeah him.

Vitti last year.

Players. Training. Scouting. GM'ing. Family'ing.

 

Just wow. Its a bloodbath

Not just that, our player development guy who JUST WON the award for best player development last year was let go of today too -_- 


"Bryant had come to rage against the idea that Howard's clownish disposition could overtake the locker room, the Lakers' culture, and had warned Howard that he would never, ever let it happen." 


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Posted May 05, 2017 - 06:39 AM

I didn't read up on it too much but I heard it was Tim who left on his own. He wasn't exactly given the golden handshake then pushed out.



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Posted May 05, 2017 - 08:18 AM

Everyone must go... even the parking attendants.


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Posted May 12, 2017 - 09:46 AM

But here to be fair, there's always two sides to every coin. 

The Heat still do this practice to this day, and it does have success stories in Dion Waiters and James Johnson 


http://www.stack.com...en-crazy-jacked 

http://www.stack.com...rm-their-bodies 

It also resurrected the career of Hassan Whiteside 
"While speaking with Grantland's Kirk Goldsberry, head coach Erik Spolestra recalled his first meeting with Whiteside: “Man to man, eyeball to eyeball, after his first workout in November, my first words were, ‘If you’re really serious about it, we can be the spot for you. But, this might not be for you. Our culture, our program, our commitment to player development, and getting you in the best shape you’ve ever been in in your whole life…there’s going to be times when you want to throw stuff at us and quit. And this might not be for you. But, if you want to commit to this, we think this is the right place for you.’”" 
http://www.complex.c...side-miami-heat 
https://twitter.com/...349669507854336 

 

interview from James Johnson 

Q: What was your body fat when you took that before photo? 

James: “I think it was 14.5 percent body fat.” 

Q: How about when you took the after photo? 

James: “I’m 6.75 percent body fat right now.” 

Q: Is this the best shape you’ve ever been in? 

James: “Ever. And I’m not finished. I’m 238 [pounds] right now and 6.75 [percent body fat]. So, I’m just going to keep going, see how far it takes me. I feel like the more I lose, the more I unleash skills that I didn’t think I was capable of having or doing.” 

Q: How much weight have you lost? 

James: “From 275 to 238.” 

Q: Where does the weight loss help you the most? 

James: “It’s just all-around. If you’ve seen the before and afters, I know they only show you the front part, but my back, they take the before and after, and my back has completely transformed all the way slim. Just being able to do more things agility wise. I can move, cut through smaller spaces and definitely give more effort out there in the game. I can go from 100 effort to 150 now.” 

Q: What did you change with your diet that helped you lose the weight? 

James: “Just the lifestyle. I have the money to go get food, go out to eat in the nice restaurants and you take advantage sometimes. But those are not always the best meals. You think you’re going out eating all the time and no matter what you pick, they’re not always healthy. So just this year, I’ve been real strict on eating home cooked meals. I’ve just been eating a lot of home cooked meals and just doing the regular routines and never quitting. Always lift every day, try to get better every day with that, and it’s just been burning more fat for me, I guess.” 

http://heatzone.blog...uck-on-the-rim/ 



And More on Waiters 

The photo on the left shows a heavier Waiters when he signed with the Heat this past offseason, and the photo on the right shows a trimmed down Waiters at the end of the season. 

https://cmgpbpheatzo...04/capture1.png 

This weight loss process began in the offseason as Waiters showed up to training camp in September 12 pounds lighter than when he signed with Miami in July, going from 234 pounds and 10 percent body fat to 222 pounds and 7.5 percent body fat. But as the picture shows, Waiters continued to drop weight during the season. 

“Them staying on top of you and making sure you do what you got to do,” Waiters said Monday during exit interviews when asked about how the Heat do things. “Most important is getting your mind and body right. That’s one thing they preach over here, just get in the best shape of your life. As you can see with some of the guys coming in including myself, just getting your body right. It showed with the performance on the court.” 


Also, you can add Wayne Ellington to the list it benefited 

The Heat have helped transform plenty of bodies over the years. Most recently, James Johnson opened up about cutting 37 pounds and 7.75 percent body fat since signing with the Heat in July. 

Now, Ellington is sharing a similar story. 

Ellington signed with the Heat as a free agent in July and weighed in at 222 pounds on Aug. 1. The 6-foot-4 guard is now down to 203 pounds and 6.5 percent body fat. 

“My body feels good,” Ellington said before Wednesday’s game against the Hornets. “I feel as strong as I’ve been in a long time. It just feels good getting those compliments when I see people I haven’t seen in a few months. ‘Damn man, you look good. What do they have you doing?’ Me and my boys joke about it all the time. They say ‘You haven’t looked like that since college.’ It feels good. 

“I’ve never been a bad eater. It’s just the portion size. I trimmed down on the portion size. I watched when I’m eating too. I’m not eating at night late anymore. I’m just being careful when I’m eating.” 

“Never done weight and body fat every week. Never did the before and after photo. Never had to be as dedicated to being in the weight room and getting my conditioning to the way it is now,” Ellington said. “I’m glad man. I’m so glad that I was able to come here and really focus on those things. It’s done an amazing thing for me. I feel like I’m having one of the best seasons of my career so far.” 

Ellington’s feeling is correct. 

The 28th overall pick in the 2009 draft is averaging a career-high 11.1 points per game. His 3-point percentage of 37.5 isn’t the best of his career, but it’s still impressive considering he’s taking a career-high 6.5 3-point shot attempts per game — three more shots than his previous career high. 


http://heatzone.blog...ioning-program/ 




So there is success stories to this method. The difference is that these people's bodies had already developed to an extent, even Waiters was around 24 when he put himself through this precedent. 

Anyway, there's some positive stories to do with it. So take from it what you will. 

I am excited about the potential prospect it could mean for our core should this method wind up working for them. Jules slimmed down to 235-240 and at 8% body fat and increased stamina to go with it would be quite something to see. It could benefit the others too if it winds up working out for them and the FO Staff knows what they're doing with their bodies and doesn't try to push them too hard. 

 


So there you go, some positive stories for this method.
 


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Posted May 12, 2017 - 09:59 AM

And here's an article that directly ties into the benefits and also ties into likely how we are going to want to play next year. Even still, here you go. 

 

The Miami Heat are winning because they never get tired 
The Heat value conditioning above all else. That’s why they’re overachieving. 

 

Getting in incredible shape — and the shame of looking doughy while the rest of the team is cut — has sustained the Heat’s culture for years. But in a league where rest and recovery are becoming more accepted as training methods, the Heat’s approach is becoming more of a competitive advantage. As this incredible run of form illustrates, there are many ways that being in better shape than your opponent has its advantages. 

It facilitates the magic elixir of ball movement 

Every team wants to push the ball and get into its offense quickly. Every player wants to be a quick decision-maker. Every coach wants this sort of ball movement that keeps everybody happy and makes TV commentators swoon. 

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But too often, these hopes fail because the teams lack the nutrients to power that basketball nirvana. Sustaining those goals for 100 possessions a game while also defending at a high level is exhausting. As players lose energy, they need to walk up the floor to replenish their tanks. And the more tired a person is, the more difficult it is to make clear-headed decisions quickly. There’s a reason we take longer to function when sleep-deprived. 

That’s why we can’t separate Miami’s recent offensive success from its emphasis on conditioning. Though the Heat are 20th in offensive efficiency for the entire season, they’re sixth since their winning run began in mid-January. This is despite not having any elite offensive talent — Waiters’ out-of-body experience aside. There’s a reason for that. 

The Heat are not the only team with guards who like to attack off the dribble, power forwards who shoot threes, and big men who roll down the lane. 

The real magic is in their execution. The Heat cut hard through their sets. This is the kind of pindown screen that almost every team has in its playbook. The difference is that Wayne Ellington really sprints through it. 

Watch Video Here

There’s a level of precision in Ellington’s change of pace that can only happen if they’re in terrific shape. Otherwise, the details of each movement start to slip, and that makes all the difference. 

Because all the Heat players are expected to be in the shape of their lives, they can each react quicker to find the open spaces another player creates. Every team yearns to develop this sort of flow that allows it to transition between one offensive action to the next without any hesitation. 

Watch Video Here
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Doing that requires all five players to read the game and act more decisively than their opponents. Every split second spent standing around to recharge the turbo button is a split second that disrupts the timing necessary to exploit a gap. 

But because Miami’s players are so well-conditioned, they are not burdened by the need to regather energy. And that’s how you get sequences like this: 

Watch Sequence Here

 

Getting in shape makes it easier to play instinctually 

Beyond the alignment of set plays, the Heat’s most defining characteristic is how they attack gaps in the defense. The Heat are the NBA’s leader in total drives per game, but they rank dead last in the percentage of time they score on those drives, per NBA.com’s player tracking data. Instead, they rank first by a wide margin in total number of passes thrown off drives and the percentage of time they drive and dish. 

In other words, the Heat spend a lot of time attacking a gap, drawing the defense, then passing on the move for someone else to do the exact same thing. Eventually, they make defenses dizzy and find an open shot for someone. 

Watch Video Here

Mastering this style requires players to make rapid decisions on the move, which is much easier when said players are in great physical condition. There have been numerous studies suggesting that exercise improves decision-making skills. Human beings who work out more find they are generally more decisive. (This is when I took a gym break to fix writer’s block. It worked). 

Every professional athlete exercises far more than the average human being, but even a marginal improvement within this elite selection sample can make a huge difference. There’s a cognitive reason Johnson can “go from 100 effort to 150 now.” 

Watch Video Here

It also helps them put the clamps on the other end 
Hard-nosed defense has sustained Miami’s culture ever since Alonzo Mourning patrolled the paint. Even when the offense was floundering early in the season, the Heat were defending the hell out of teams. They rank fifth in defensive efficiency and third since their winning run began. 

It’s tempting to attribute Miami’s defensive success to Whiteside. Yes, Whiteside is a towering presence inside, swatting more than two shots a game and altering countless others. But for the second straight season, the Heat allow fewer points per 100 possessions with Whiteside out of the game than with him on the floor — and the difference is more pronounced this year. 

This isn’t to pick on Whiteside, who is still a force. This is to illustrate that the backbone of Miami’s defense is on the front lines. And it’s here that Miami’s conditioning really shines: 

Watch Video Here 

That’s Rodney McGruder sliding in front of a dribble hand-off, then hounding Kemba Walker like a gnat. Try as they might, the Hornets can’t get rid of him. The end result is a bricked contested jumper, and Whiteside barely had to stray from his preferred area. 

Heat perimeter players just don’t give up on plays. Only 13.3 percent of shots taken outside of 10 feet against them are classified as having no defender within six feet of the shooter, according to NBA.com’s player tracking data. That’s nearly a percentage point better than the next-best team. Only the Jazz allow more catch-and-shoot opportunities, and no team allows fewer three-point attempts per game. 

The shots the Heat frequently allow look a lot like this: 

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That miss happened because Josh Richardson moved his feet, didn’t get slammed off his path at the point of contact, and fought back into position to put a hand up. Because he did, the other four Heat defenders could stay at home, removing the gaps that other teams exploit for drives and open threes. 

Watch Video Here

Less-conditioned defenders fail in all three areas. They aren’t quick enough to jump over those ball screens, they lose balance fighting through picks, and they lack the will to rally back when beat the first time. How many times have you seen your team’s guard recoiling toward midcourt as his man speeds off a high screen? That never happens to the Heat. 

The Heat have several players known for their defense, but even players like Goran Dragic and Waiters are hounding ball-handlers with more vigor than in previous stops. 

Watch Video Here

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There’s nothing complicated about this approach schematically. The difference is that Heat players have enough energy to actually pull it off time and time again. 

And that has a cumulative effect. Like a great distance runner, the Heat keep pace over the first three quarters, then turn in a devastating kick as the other team tires. Miami’s fourth-quarter defensive rating of 98.7 points allowed per 100 possessions is nearly three points higher than second-place San Antonio. Because of their commitment to conditioning, they have gas in the tank as their opponent runs on fumes. 

Read More and SEE More Here: http://www.sbnation....ic-dion-waiters 

 

Definitely worth the read. 

It's very obvious that Riley is in Magic's ear about this because of what it's done for the Heat as of lately in terms of helping to overachieve as well as do what Luke wants on both the offensive and defensive end. 

We saw what the diet change and conditioning did for Randle post all-star break. So the prospect of it, if done right can be beneficial. If Magic is going to follow the Heat's model on conditioning like they've adapted in the past few seasons then that could wind up being a very good thing for us. 

You saw what Julius did with a simple diet change and conditioning increase, a Julius Randle showing up to camp 235 and 8-9% body fat could be something special in that aspect. 

Essentially this is the kind of thing that in theory will help the guys play with the same kind of motor that a guy like T-Rob brings, and those kind of things are beneficial for us as a team as our style is likely going to be very fast paced, while we're also expected to play defense, so I'd assume if that's Luke's vision, this may be the route to go, but IF we do it as responsibly as the Heat do now, after the trial and error disaster of 2007-2008. It seems their methods have improved, so if we're using the Heat as a model for conditioning and body fat, I can get behind that. 


Again, it's only fair to show both sides of the equation, as well as the most recent, so hopefully this broadens perspective a bit, it did for me for sure.


Edited by Majesty, May 12, 2017 - 10:00 AM.

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Posted June 05, 2017 - 04:15 PM

Caught Zubac in Wholes Foods over the weekend shopping organic fruits and veggies looked in great shape, had short convo nice guy English is improving
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Posted June 06, 2017 - 01:22 AM

Caught Zubac in Wholes Foods over the weekend shopping organic fruits and veggies looked in great shape, had short convo nice guy English is improving

Great to hear! 


"Bryant had come to rage against the idea that Howard's clownish disposition could overtake the locker room, the Lakers' culture, and had warned Howard that he would never, ever let it happen." 


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Posted June 06, 2017 - 06:20 AM

Surprised Zu can afford WF on a rookie contract

:glasses: 


Praying for  1. Youngsters Ballin (Didn't really happen on a consistent basis at all) 2. Miracle Trade (Also didn't happen. And we traded our best player for chump change) 3. Kick Ass Rooks (Zubac exceeded, Ingram tried but disappointed overall)

READY FOR SEASON TO BE OVER!!!

 

 


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Posted June 06, 2017 - 06:39 AM

Surprised Zu can afford WF on a rookie contract

:glasses:

I would gladly take the salary of a rookie contract for the rest of my life.



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Posted June 17, 2017 - 05:22 PM

http://hoopshype.com...ntense-culture/

 

This is the same article as the one Majesty posted..

 

Wow Im really impressed !!

Pat telling Wade he's too fat in front of everyone when Wade thought he came in shape and bulked up? During his prime? 

I hope something similar is implemented in Laker land as far as details..


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Posted June 20, 2017 - 05:50 AM

Heard Magic made an exception and told Jeannie she could come in at 9-10% body fat and that would be cool.


Praying for  1. Youngsters Ballin (Didn't really happen on a consistent basis at all) 2. Miracle Trade (Also didn't happen. And we traded our best player for chump change) 3. Kick Ass Rooks (Zubac exceeded, Ingram tried but disappointed overall)

READY FOR SEASON TO BE OVER!!!

 

 





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