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#41 LakeShow1o1

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Posted February 20, 2017 - 10:24 PM

Lakers get: Jimmy Butler

Bulls get: Julius Randle, Jordan Clarkson, 2017 1st round pick from Utah (#23), 2019 Bulls' own 2nd round pick (that we acquired for Calderon)

Jazz get: Lou Williams

 

 

Maybe? That is a lot of asset in that package. IDK.

 

That's more than enough for Butler but I honestly feel he goes to Boston for that coveted Nets pick.

 

I'm actually hoping the Celtics trade away all their picks for Butler because at the end of the day, they still won't have enough to beat the Cavs in this era of basketball.



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Posted February 20, 2017 - 10:29 PM

If there is a way to accelerate our rebuild, it will only happen with a player of Butler's caliber. Plays on both ends of the floor, athletic, unselfish, in his prime, coachable. He just plugs in for a combined contribution by Lou, Clarkson, and Young if you think about it. And has 2 more years in his contract. So no immediate extension headache.

 

Russell

Butler

Ingram / Deng

Black / Nance Jr.

Zubac / Mozgov

 

We could go after a stretch 4 in summer, and things would take a turn for the better next season.


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Posted February 20, 2017 - 10:49 PM

If there is a way to accelerate our rebuild, it will only happen with a player of Butler's caliber. Plays on both ends of the floor, athletic, unselfish, in his prime, coachable. He just plugs in for a combined contribution by Lou, Clarkson, and Young if you think about it. And has 2 more years in his contract. So no immediate extension headache.

 

Russell

Butler

Ingram / Deng

Black / Nance Jr.

Zubac / Mozgov

 

We could go after a stretch 4 in summer, and things would take a turn for the better next season.

There's no doubt acquiring Butler improves the team IMMEDIATELY.  I just don't think it happens and would be okay if it does'n't.  Especially if we get to keep our top 3 protected pick.  I'm not saying we should avoid making trades simply to continue losing, but trading a plethora of assets for a guy whom isn't even a number 1 option on a contender isn't necessary. 


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Posted February 20, 2017 - 10:56 PM

Knowing our front office and their track record these past few seasons watch we go into the offseason with the team as is. Then we will be here discussing this again next season.
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Posted February 20, 2017 - 11:21 PM

Get ready for Melo to Celtics.

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Posted February 21, 2017 - 12:03 AM

How about Swaggy to Pellies for Q.pon, Diallo, 2017 2nd.

The Lou to Utah for 2017 1st + filler.

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Posted February 21, 2017 - 01:16 AM

How about Swaggy to Pellies for Q.pon, Diallo, 2017 2nd.

The Lou to Utah for 2017 1st + filler.

 

The Swaggy to Pellies makes no sense.  Diallo sucks and Pondexter is still owed 4 million after this season.  We have enough 2nd round picks from the Calderon deal.



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Posted February 21, 2017 - 01:20 AM

Woj: DeMarcus Cousins’ Agent Told Teams He Might Bolt To Lakers In Free Agency
 
by AnthonyIrwinLA@AnthonyIrwinLA
 
When DeMarcus Cousins was traded, the speculation surrounding the deal typically started with ‘wait, the Sacramento Kings only got what?’, and for good reason.
 
Buddy Hield is an okay young-ish player. Tyreke Evans and Langston Galloway are nothing to write home about. Yes, they’re getting a top-three protected first-rounder, but any pick coming from the team DeMarcus Cousins with Anthony Davis is not going to turn a franchise around, especially given the Kings’ poor drafting habits.
 
Still, the question begged asking: Why was the return so low on a player of Cousins’ extraordinary talent, even with the questions that remained about his character, per the Kings themselves.
 
Quick side note: Kicking a superstar on their way out the door is not going to go forgotten. That’s a terrible look.
 
So, what was it that scared so many teams from lining up with serious offers for a 26-year-old All-Star with a couple years left on his contract? Well, according to Yahoo! Sports’ Adrian Wojnarowski, it turns out Cousins’ agent did not do the Kings any favors.
 
“Jarinn Akana and Dan Fegan, who represent Cousins, they did their job here, which was to — and this also complicated what they could get in a trade — Jarinn came out publicly last night and privately they told teams, ‘If you trade for Cousins, we’re telling you, he may not stay. He may nor re-sign with you. The Lakers are going to have a lot of cap space again potentially in a couple years. He could go to L.A. as a free agent. He might not stay in New Orleans or he might not stay in Phoenix or anywhere else...’
Woj did mention that New Orleans does have a leg up on other teams as they’ll be able to offer more money when his contract is up at the end of next season, but it won’t be the $209 million behemoth of a contract he could’ve signed had he remained in Sacramento.
 
Reading between the lines, if Cousins was willing to stick it out for the money in Sacramento, there’s a good chance he’ll opt for the most money when he’s a free agent in a couple years, too. There’s simply no way of knowing whether his agent was blowing smoke to keep his client where he stood to make the most money or if Cousins is actually serious about coming to the Lakers.
 
Let’s just say he is, and the Lakers try to sign him in a couple summers.
 
The cap space Wojnarowski mentions will depend upon whether the Lakers pick up D’Angelo Russell, Brandon Ingram and Larry Nance Jr.’s team options. Something pretty drastic would have to come up in order for that not to take place, though.
 
Luol Deng and Timofey Mozgov are both under contract heading into that offseason, at rates of $18 and $16 million, respectively. Julius Randle will also be a restricted free agent that year, with a qualifying offer of at least $5.5 million, though that could go up depending on what kind of offer he gets from another team or whether the Lakers decide to extend him as they did Jordan Clarkson this past summer.
 
If they decide to renounce all cap holds and exceptions, the Lakers could have as much as $40 million in cap space. If the exceptions mentioned above are taken at their exact projected values, that number dips to just over $27 million, which might be just enough to slide in a max contract of around $26 million, though it depends on where the cap finally ends up in 2018.
 
From there, the Lakers would have to fill out the roster with minimum deals and other exceptions, requiring a level of creativity in and of itself.
 
Preferably speaking, the Lakers would have moved either (or both) of Deng and/or Mozgov so as to have a little more wiggle room and, by that time, they’ll only have two years left on their deals, making it a little more manageable. Though again, it would probably take another asset going with them and by that time, the two, who are already old, will better described as full-on ancient.
 
It’s also worth noting that by the time this hypothetical rolls around, Cousins would be 28, and the max deal he’d be signing would take him to the wrong side of 30. All this would need to be weighed.
 
For now, all we can do is note how his agent handled the situation in Sacramento either at face value or while wondering what other motives might have been at work. Akana very well could have told the Lakers the very same thing he told other interested parties, but with the threat of Boogie bolting after only a year and a half in Los Angeles.
 
All that matters now is that Cousins is in New Orleans, he will be there for at least the next couple years (unless another trade happens, obviously) and the Lakers have more work to do both this and in future trade deadlines if they want to make themselves a legitimate option for Cousins or other future free agents.
 
 
DeMarcus did say he was a big Laker fan. He wants to sign with his favorite team just like Isaiah Thomas did. I hope the Pelicans will suck this year and next year.  :D 

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Posted February 21, 2017 - 01:37 AM

The Swaggy to Pellies makes no sense.  Diallo sucks and Pondexter is still owed 4 million after this season.  We have enough 2nd round picks from the Calderon deal.

You're likely not getting a 1st rounder for him, so a mid 2nd rounder + a rookie is not that bad. Diallo played really well in summer league but has been completely stuck behind 7 vets (AD, Asik, Jones, DMo, Cunningham, Ajinca, Hill). The few minutes he did play he's been effective. Pondexter would be bought out, probably.

 

The question is if Lakers are willing to risk either letting Nick walk OR pay him market value. If the Lakers aren't interested in that, then an expiring + the 60th pick should do it.



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Posted February 21, 2017 - 03:56 AM

Well, If i'm Boogie, and this trade is costing me tens of millions of dollars, and I had any kind of vengeance,  I might want to leave my mark by saying something like this to ensure the kings get a crap package back.

 

Burning down the place on way out the door example that makes sense to me.

Not saying its right or wrong.

Just saying its a reasonable reaction with competitive guys, not even mentioning how he plays against them which is secondary

 

 

 
by AnthonyIrwinLA@AnthonyIrwinLA
 
When DeMarcus Cousins was traded, the speculation surrounding the deal typically started with ‘wait, the Sacramento Kings only got what?’, and for good reason.
 
Buddy Hield is an okay young-ish player. Tyreke Evans and Langston Galloway are nothing to write home about. Yes, they’re getting a top-three protected first-rounder, but any pick coming from the team DeMarcus Cousins with Anthony Davis is not going to turn a franchise around, especially given the Kings’ poor drafting habits.
 
Still, the question begged asking: Why was the return so low on a player of Cousins’ extraordinary talent, even with the questions that remained about his character, per the Kings themselves.
 
Quick side note: Kicking a superstar on their way out the door is not going to go forgotten. That’s a terrible look.
 
So, what was it that scared so many teams from lining up with serious offers for a 26-year-old All-Star with a couple years left on his contract? Well, according to Yahoo! Sports’ Adrian Wojnarowski, it turns out Cousins’ agent did not do the Kings any favors.
 
“Jarinn Akana and Dan Fegan, who represent Cousins, they did their job here, which was to — and this also complicated what they could get in a trade — Jarinn came out publicly last night and privately they told teams, ‘If you trade for Cousins, we’re telling you, he may not stay. He may nor re-sign with you. The Lakers are going to have a lot of cap space again potentially in a couple years. He could go to L.A. as a free agent. He might not stay in New Orleans or he might not stay in Phoenix or anywhere else...’
Woj did mention that New Orleans does have a leg up on other teams as they’ll be able to offer more money when his contract is up at the end of next season, but it won’t be the $209 million behemoth of a contract he could’ve signed had he remained in Sacramento.
 
Reading between the lines, if Cousins was willing to stick it out for the money in Sacramento, there’s a good chance he’ll opt for the most money when he’s a free agent in a couple years, too. There’s simply no way of knowing whether his agent was blowing smoke to keep his client where he stood to make the most money or if Cousins is actually serious about coming to the Lakers.
 
Let’s just say he is, and the Lakers try to sign him in a couple summers.
 
The cap space Wojnarowski mentions will depend upon whether the Lakers pick up D’Angelo Russell, Brandon Ingram and Larry Nance Jr.’s team options. Something pretty drastic would have to come up in order for that not to take place, though.
 
Luol Deng and Timofey Mozgov are both under contract heading into that offseason, at rates of $18 and $16 million, respectively. Julius Randle will also be a restricted free agent that year, with a qualifying offer of at least $5.5 million, though that could go up depending on what kind of offer he gets from another team or whether the Lakers decide to extend him as they did Jordan Clarkson this past summer.
 
If they decide to renounce all cap holds and exceptions, the Lakers could have as much as $40 million in cap space. If the exceptions mentioned above are taken at their exact projected values, that number dips to just over $27 million, which might be just enough to slide in a max contract of around $26 million, though it depends on where the cap finally ends up in 2018.
 
From there, the Lakers would have to fill out the roster with minimum deals and other exceptions, requiring a level of creativity in and of itself.
 
Preferably speaking, the Lakers would have moved either (or both) of Deng and/or Mozgov so as to have a little more wiggle room and, by that time, they’ll only have two years left on their deals, making it a little more manageable. Though again, it would probably take another asset going with them and by that time, the two, who are already old, will better described as full-on ancient.
 
It’s also worth noting that by the time this hypothetical rolls around, Cousins would be 28, and the max deal he’d be signing would take him to the wrong side of 30. All this would need to be weighed.
 
For now, all we can do is note how his agent handled the situation in Sacramento either at face value or while wondering what other motives might have been at work. Akana very well could have told the Lakers the very same thing he told other interested parties, but with the threat of Boogie bolting after only a year and a half in Los Angeles.
 
All that matters now is that Cousins is in New Orleans, he will be there for at least the next couple years (unless another trade happens, obviously) and the Lakers have more work to do both this and in future trade deadlines if they want to make themselves a legitimate option for Cousins or other future free agents.
 
 
DeMarcus did say he was a big Laker fan. He wants to sign with his favorite team just like Isaiah Thomas did. I hope the Pelicans will suck this year and next year.   :D

 


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Praying for  1. Youngsters Ballin (Didn't really happen on a consistent basis at all) 2. Miracle Trade (Also didn't happen. And we traded our best player for chump change) 3. Kick Ass Rooks (Zubac exceeded, Ingram tried but disappointed overall)

READY FOR SEASON TO BE OVER!!!

 

 


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Posted February 21, 2017 - 06:29 AM

I think Lou to WAS for Oubre + a pick is a start.


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Posted February 21, 2017 - 06:37 AM

I think Lou to WAS for Oubre + a pick is a start.


Wiz values Oubre too much for that. Most Lakers will get is a first.
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Posted February 21, 2017 - 07:13 AM

Wiz values Oubre too much for that. Most Lakers will get is a first.

Correct. 1st in 20s is fine though. Biggest issue is to get salaries to match.

For that reason I think Utah is more likely.

Edited by DanishLakerFan, February 21, 2017 - 07:14 AM.

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Posted February 21, 2017 - 07:19 AM

The more and more I think about it. The lakers really are screwed for many years. I see things turning around "maybe" 2020

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Posted February 21, 2017 - 07:37 AM

That cousins to Lakers thing was probably just leverage. Lakers are always the team to use when needing leverage.

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Posted February 21, 2017 - 07:43 AM

There's no way the Bulls do this and please don't cite Boogie's terrible trade as to how another star can be attained.  Boston easily ups the ante and includes the Nets pick and Jaylen Brown at the very least.   

 

Lakers get: Jimmy Butler

Bulls get: Julius Randle, Jordan Clarkson, 2017 1st round pick from Utah (#23), 2019 Bulls' own 2nd round pick (that we acquired for Calderon)

Jazz get: Lou Williams

 

 

Maybe? That is a lot of asset in that package. IDK.


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Posted February 21, 2017 - 09:43 AM

Boogie didn't wanna lose that $
Lakers name always used as a bargaining chip

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Posted February 21, 2017 - 11:08 AM

Well there went that



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Posted February 21, 2017 - 12:06 PM

That cousins to Lakers thing was probably just leverage. Lakers are always the team to use when needing leverage.

Excellent insight we are the threat agents are using but it will backfire on them and the player does come here.

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Posted February 21, 2017 - 12:18 PM

Portland Trailblazers are taking calls for Damian Lillard (via @AmicoHoops )
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