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#1 Jackson

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Posted February 04, 2017 - 03:49 PM

http://www.espn.com/...iss-rest-season

 

SMFH. I had high hopes for him this season.



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Posted February 04, 2017 - 05:21 PM

Thibs running a 21 year old kid into the ground 37 mins a game. 

4th quarter had just started and he'd already played 32 minutes 

And the last 4 games before the tear he'd been run 42, 37, 43 and 37 minutes. 

This is precisely what I was worried about when the T'Wolves handed over a YOUNG team to Tom Thibodeau... 

icon_sad.gif Get well soon Zach.

 

 


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Posted February 04, 2017 - 05:45 PM

The bigger joke is the fact that the medicals and coaching staff still had him out on the floor playing for another 6 or so minutes following the fall...



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Posted February 04, 2017 - 06:28 PM

Now the lakers are gonna really have to stink to keep pick.

Too much competition bottom 4-5 teams minus Nets


Praying for  1. Some Cohesion (Ill fitting parts with young bucks, new guys, and those playing for next contracts may muck things up all season) 2. Better Coaching, No More Tanking (Last season was more of the latter but not sure how much of the former we can count on. Walton with something to prove this season as much as any Laker player) 3. Rookie Watch (Hoping Lonzo outshines his daddy (ROTY??), and Kuzma finds minutes and makes a push for all rook 2nd team)

READY FOR SEASON!!!

 

 


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Posted February 04, 2017 - 06:40 PM

Hate to hear that. Chris Dunn is about get some burn

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Posted February 04, 2017 - 06:50 PM

Thibs running a 21 year old kid into the ground 37 mins a game.

4th quarter had just started and he'd already played 32 minutes

And the last 4 games before the tear he'd been run 42, 37, 43 and 37 minutes.

This is precisely what I was worried about when the T'Wolves handed over a YOUNG team to Tom Thibodeau...

icon_sad.gif Get well soon Zach.

wasn't Phil playing a 21 year old Kobe 38 minutes a game? Or did he play him 41 minutes per game the year after? What about the rest maestro in Pop playing a 21 year old rookie Tim Duncan 39 minutes per game? It would honestly amaze the fans who like to pile on coaches (specifically Thibs) for playing their players big minutes if they looked up the history books and seen how much some of the great players (and coaches allowing them) played.

Let's not be ridiculous and start blaming this injury on the coach...

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Posted February 04, 2017 - 06:59 PM

MJ at 21: 38 minutes
LeBron James at 21: 42.5 minutes
Magic Johnson at 21: 37 minutes
Allen Iverson at 21: 40 minutes
Shaquille O'Neal at 21: 40 minutes
Kareem rookie year at 22: 43 minutes

I mean I can go on and on... people look at this new phenomenon with resting players and watching their minutes and forget that this game was built on great players taking on heavy burdens and playing big minutes. In fact the guy that started making it a thing was working Tim Duncan over for his first six seasons playing about 39+ minutes in each one.
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Posted February 04, 2017 - 07:11 PM

wasn't Phil playing a 21 year old Kobe 38 minutes a game? Or did he play him 41 minutes per game the year after? What about the rest maestro in Pop playing a 21 year old rookie Tim Duncan 39 minutes per game? It would honestly amaze the fans who like to pile on coaches (specifically Thibs) for playing their players big minutes if they looked up the history books and seen how much some of the great players (and coaches allowing them) played.

Let's not be ridiculous and start blaming this injury on the coach...

MJ at 21: 38 minutes
LeBron James at 21: 42.5 minutes
Magic Johnson at 21: 37 minutes
Allen Iverson at 21: 40 minutes
Shaquille O'Neal at 21: 40 minutes
Kareem rookie year at 22: 43 minutes

I mean I can go on and on... people look at this new phenomenon with resting players and watching their minutes and forget that this game was built on great players taking on heavy burdens and playing big minutes. In fact the guy that started making it a thing was working Tim Duncan over for his first six seasons playing about 39+ minutes in each one.

what was the pace of the game in 2001 and what's the pace of the game in 2016? 

NBA Pace 2001 at it's highest 94.7 (Lakers Pace 91.7) 
NBA Pace 2017 Lowest Pace (91.2)  

In 2001 the Lakers played the 14th fastest Pace in the NBA 
In 2016 that would be the 28th Fastest Pace in the NBA out of 30.

The 2005 Phoenix Sun 7 Seconds or Less Pace in 2006(1st in the NBA) 
Where the 2005 Phoenix Suns 7 seconds or less Pace would rank the NBA in 2016(21st in the NBA) 

Little recognized factoid.  But 574 extra possessions a season from when Kobe was playing heavy minutes might matter a bit.     

And might be also why there's only 9 PLAYERS in all of the NBA that play over 36 Mins a game.  

The Timberwolves have 3 of them.  

And why there's only 4 PLAYERS in all of the NBA that play over 37 Mins a game 

The Timberwolves have 2 of them. 

 

So marinate on that. 

While you do, you can watch this 

 


Edited by Majesty, February 04, 2017 - 07:20 PM.

"Bryant had come to rage against the idea that Howard's clownish disposition could overtake the locker room, the Lakers' culture, and had warned Howard that he would never, ever let it happen." 


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Posted February 04, 2017 - 07:29 PM

So what do we say about the great stars of the 1980's and before? Magic, Bird, MJ, Kareem, Hakeem etc were all playing heavy minutes in that era where the pace was actually even HIGHER back then? Not to mention that back in pre 2001 the physicality of the game was much higher with hand checking, more post play, bumping the cutter, harder fouls etc..

The reason I'm annoyed with the notion that Thibs runs his players into the ground is that people ignore that this was happening before him with the majority of stars, he didn't make this up. I seen you saying the same thing about Thibs with Luol Deng and Derrick Rose (whose Bulls were playing a similar pace to those 2001 Lakers btw) so I'm not sure if you were really factoring pace in your argument or if you just wanted to try and make a random point.

Btw the burden of a 21 year old Kobe was much more than Lavine. Kobe was the lock down defender, closer, second option and playmaker on a championship team. Let's not to forget to mention that when trying to compare that to the wear and tear of a few extra possessions regarding a third option on a lottery team whose mostly just a jumpshooter...

Edited by stillshining, February 04, 2017 - 07:35 PM.

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Posted February 04, 2017 - 07:51 PM

So what do we say about the great stars of the 1980's and before them? Magic, Bird, MJ, Kareem, Hakeem etc were all playing heavy minutes in that era where the pace was actually even HIGHER back then? Not to mention that back in pre 2001 the physicality of the game was much higher with hand checking, more post play, bumping the cutter etc..

The reason I'm annoyed with the notion that Thibs runs his players into the ground is that people ignore that happening before him with the majority of stars, he didn't make this up. I seen you saying the same thing with Luol Deng and Derrick Rose so I'm not sure if you were really factoring pace in your argument or if you just wanted to try and make a random point.

Btw the burden of a 21 year old Kobe was much more than Lavine. Kobe was the lock down defender, closer, second option and playmaker on a championship team. Let's not to forget to mention that when trying to compare the wear and tear of a few extra possessions of a third option on a lottery team whose mostly just a jumpshooter...

 

 

 

zone defense > hand checking

 

Also the pace when Kobe played was on his team was 91.7, which would be 28th today. 

 

And again, like I said, all those reasons I posted + the video 

 

Little recognized factoid.  But 574 extra possessions a season from when Kobe was playing heavy minutes might matter a bit.   Especially with 15 years gone by in athletic advancement which you also can't ignore.   


Why do you think there's only 9 PLAYERS in all of the NBA that play over 36 Mins a game.  

Yet the Timberwolves have 3 of them.  

The other 6 are LeBron James, Kyle Lowry, Jimmy Butler, James Harden, John Wall, and Anthony Davis.  Average Age: 27.5 and all our superstars, not 2nd year kids trying to get their footing and still adjusting to the league. 

And why's there's only 4 PLAYERS in all of the NBA that play over 37 Mins a game 

Yet the Timberwolves have 2 of them! 

The other two? LeBron James and Kyle Lowry. 


So again, think about why that is. 


Edited by Majesty, February 04, 2017 - 07:57 PM.

"Bryant had come to rage against the idea that Howard's clownish disposition could overtake the locker room, the Lakers' culture, and had warned Howard that he would never, ever let it happen." 


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Posted February 04, 2017 - 07:57 PM

You just repeated yourself and completely ignored the fact that the stars of the 80's played at a higher pace and still were able to log big minutes. Again you were talking about Thibs running his players to the ground at his prior job and those Bulls were playing a much slower pace so it's obviously not about that and more about just following the popular narrative

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Posted February 04, 2017 - 07:58 PM

You just repeated yourself and completely ignored the fact that the stars of the 80's played at a higher pace and still were able to log big minutes. Again you were talking about Thibs running his players to the ground at his prior job and those Bulls were playing a much slower pace so it's obviously not about that and more about just following the popular narrative

I answered that question rather easily.

 

zone defense > hand checking and 16 years of athletic advancement from 2001 to 2017 


Edited by Majesty, February 04, 2017 - 07:59 PM.

"Bryant had come to rage against the idea that Howard's clownish disposition could overtake the locker room, the Lakers' culture, and had warned Howard that he would never, ever let it happen." 


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Posted February 04, 2017 - 08:05 PM

Lol so we not going to talk about you saying the same thing about Thibs in Chicago? Which was only 2-6 years ago and his team played at a pace similar to the 2001 Lakers? Maybe we should just keep talking about zone defense vs handchecking

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Posted February 04, 2017 - 08:06 PM

Lol so we not going to talk about you saying the same thing about Thibs in Chicago? Which was only 2-6 years ago and his team played at a pace similar to the 2001 Lakers? Maybe we should just keep talking about zone defense vs handchecking


I've talked about Thibs in Chicago so much at this point and how he ruined Derrick Rose's career.


"Bryant had come to rage against the idea that Howard's clownish disposition could overtake the locker room, the Lakers' culture, and had warned Howard that he would never, ever let it happen." 


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Posted February 04, 2017 - 10:29 PM

It has nothing to do with Thibs. LaVine is a high flyer, and gets into contact every now and then. It is actually pretty impressive that people try to find someone to blame for every misfortune. Sometimes [expletive] just happens. Rose did not help himself with his high octane style of play. I see Westbrook down every game too for these exact same reasons. It just so happens that every individual is built differently and their body reacts differently.
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Posted February 04, 2017 - 10:49 PM

On the play he got hurt, there wasn't that much contact, he just landed, went down and that was it.

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Posted February 08, 2017 - 09:29 AM

Young guys have been getting knee injuries more and more. Have to think it has to do with the pace, but also the explosion that these young guys put on their legs. The league is more athletic than ever before. The force Lavine puts on those knees with each huge jump takes a toll. As amazing athletes as these guys are they are human, and sometimes the tendons just cannot take the force put on them. 

 

On the play he got hurt, there wasn't that much contact, he just landed, went down and that was it.

 

Same thing for Rose. When these dudes are jumping out the gym and putting thousands of pounds of force on their knees night in and out injury chance goes way up.


Edited by PhillyLaker24, February 08, 2017 - 09:31 AM.

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