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#3701 Tensai

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Posted June 18, 2017 - 11:50 PM

I don't think we are looking to add another project player. If that rumor is true, then it must be included in a package for Paul George as he stated he will not stay in Indiana.

 

Heatles wouldn't be such a bad target at #14.

 

Randle <-> #14

Deng, Russell, #14, #28 <-> PG + CJ Miles

 

Getting PG now without being able to offload Deng/Mozgov would still result in us not being able to sign another max next summer. So I guess it must be part of the plan to at least get rid of one of them in this trade.


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Posted June 18, 2017 - 11:52 PM

Jesus Christ...

 

I'm starting to wish we never got this damn pick because people seem to continuously argue for days on end about the same damn prospects.

First it was Fultz vs. Ball, now with Fultz clearly out of the equation, it's become Ball vs. Jackson.

 

Bottom line is both are solid prospects that bring their own individual skillset.  One is clearly more defensively minded, while the other is a pure playmaker.  Simply because you like one player doesn't mean you should disregard his flaws and bash the other.  

 

All I'm going to say is some fans here want to establish a defensive identity and completely disregard the offensive spacing and fluidity.  A defender like Josh Jackson is much easier to replicate than a playmaker such as Lonzo Ball...  


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Posted June 18, 2017 - 11:55 PM

I don't think we are looking to add another project player. If that rumor is true, then it must be included in a package for Paul George as he stated he will not stay in Indiana.

 

Heatles wouldn't be such a bad target at #14.

 

Randle <-> #14

Deng, Russell, #14, #28 <-> PG + CJ Miles

 

Getting PG now without being able to offload Deng/Mozgov would still result in us not being able to sign another max next summer. So I guess it must be part of the plan to at least get rid of one of them in this trade.

 

So in other words, you're gutting our roster for Paul George and CJ Miles, a player to steal the game winning shot when necessary?

Randle, Russell, Deng, and #28 for a player whom stated that he is inclined in joining via free agency in 2018.


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Posted June 19, 2017 - 12:00 AM

Randle is a RFA, which we won't be extending if we want to sign another max next summer. It is not "gutting" the roster, it is business. If you want to get a goose in return, you have to give up some chickens.

 

And Russell + Randle + #28 are just enough chickens to get rid of the big old rooster in the house.


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Posted June 19, 2017 - 12:09 AM

Randle is a RFA, which we won't be extending if we want to sign another max next summer. It is not "gutting" the roster, it is business. If you want to get a goose in return, you have to give up some chickens.

 

And Russell + Randle + #28 are just enough chickens to get rid of the big old rooster in the house.

 

It's bad business...

 

Let me see if I can counter your awesome animal analogy.

 

As the saying goes, don't place all your eggs in one basket.



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Posted June 19, 2017 - 12:19 AM

Jesus Christ...

I'm starting to wish we never got this damn pick because people seem to continuously argue for days on end about the same damn prospects.
First it was Fultz vs. Ball, now with Fultz clearly out of the equation, it's become Ball vs. Jackson.

Bottom line is both are solid prospects that bring their own individual skillset. One is clearly more defensively minded, while the other is a pure playmaker. Simply because you like one player doesn't mean you should disregard his flaws and bash the other.

All I'm going to say is some fans here want to establish a defensive identity and completely disregard the offensive spacing and fluidity. A defender like Josh Jackson is much easier to replicate than a playmaker such as Lonzo Ball...

Your post was going well and neutral until the last bit you added.

Really, they're easier to replicate? That's why this current small ball league is filled with high potential 2way wings and lacking in point guards. Cmon man.

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Posted June 19, 2017 - 12:28 AM

Your post was going well and neutral until the last bit you added.

Really, they're easier to replicate? That's why this current small ball league is filled with high potential 2way wings and lacking in point guards. Cmon man.

 

The point guard position has essentially become a scoring guard.  There are only a handful of players whom solely look to facilitate and set up fellow teammates.  Name a single pass first player in this league outside of a run down Rajon Rondo and maybe Chris Paul.

 

Common man, you can dislike Ball, but to deny that he is a tremendously unique prospect is ridiculous.  Guys like Josh Jackson (wing players with potential) have been seen in previous drafts with the likes of Stanley Johnson, Justise Winslow, Andrew Wiggins, Ben McClemore, Otto Porter, MKG, Harrison Barnes, Evan Turner, Wesley Johnson, and many more.

 

Only so many of them end up reaching that so called potential and becoming a difference maker.

 



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Posted June 19, 2017 - 12:28 AM

So in other words, you're gutting our roster for Paul George and CJ Miles, a player to steal the game winning shot when necessary?

Randle, Russell, Deng, and #28 for a player whom stated that he is inclined in joining via free agency in 2018.

Ignoring the fact that Russell, Randle and George share the same agent, i'm really not a fan of giving up Russell in a deal for George since he can walk for nothing.

 

That said, if they could include Deng in such a deal i think there are scenarios where it would make some sense.

 

Say Pelinka knew that someone like Jrue Holiday or Gordon Hayward or similar were interested in joining the Lakers i think it could make some sense to pull off a deal like the one mentioned above - Randle-Russell-Deng-28. That would allow us to spend a max in 2017 and if we could move Clarkson for an expiring deal (Afflalo) as well we'd be able to use the stretch provision in 2018 on Mozgov, and spend yet another max level FA.



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Posted June 19, 2017 - 12:45 AM

Name a single pass first player in this league outside of a run down Rajon Rondo and maybe Chris Paul.

 

Ricky Rubio.

 

Since you said single.


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Posted June 19, 2017 - 01:50 AM

The point guard position has essentially become a scoring guard.  There are only a handful of players whom solely look to facilitate and set up fellow teammates.  Name a single pass first player in this league outside of a run down Rajon Rondo and maybe Chris Paul.

 

Common man, you can dislike Ball, but to deny that he is a tremendously unique prospect is ridiculous.  Guys like Josh Jackson (wing players with potential) have been seen in previous drafts with the likes of Stanley Johnson, Justise Winslow, Andrew Wiggins, Ben McClemore, Otto Porter, MKG, Harrison Barnes, Evan Turner, Wesley Johnson, and many more.

 

Only so many of them end up reaching that so called potential and becoming a difference maker.

These pass first players are nice additions to teams who have established talent and are playing winning basketball. Other than Chris Paul, none of these other pass first players are leading their team to victories, and nor are they defense worrying game changers. And we don't know if Ball's passing is transcendent... that's a hell of a strong word...


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Posted June 19, 2017 - 02:09 AM

Sheesh thought I accidentally clicked into the "Debate Team" forum for a few pages there.

All healthy dissertations...but will be glad when Thursday comes.


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Posted June 19, 2017 - 03:11 AM

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Good.

 

Im wondering if they're shopping Randle for it? Maybe thats what the pacers want? Clarkson + 2 picks ?

 

Yep.

 

Jesus Christ...

 

I'm starting to wish we never got this damn pick because people seem to continuously argue for days on end about the same damn prospects.

First it was Fultz vs. Ball, now with Fultz clearly out of the equation, it's become Ball vs. Jackson.

 

Bottom line is both are solid prospects that bring their own individual skillset.  One is clearly more defensively minded, while the other is a pure playmaker.  Simply because you like one player doesn't mean you should disregard his flaws and bash the other.  

 

All I'm going to say is some fans here want to establish a defensive identity and completely disregard the offensive spacing and fluidity.  A defender like Josh Jackson is much easier to replicate than a playmaker such as Lonzo Ball...  

 

 

 

Completely agree...but it's the offseason and there isn't much else to talk about.


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Posted June 19, 2017 - 03:12 AM

Sheesh thought I accidentally clicked into the "Debate Team" forum for a few pages there.

All healthy dissertations...but will be glad when Thursday comes.


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What's wrong with the "Debate Team" Forum?  I'd sign up for that...and I'm not kidding...I'm a nerd.


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Posted June 19, 2017 - 04:00 AM

 

All I'm going to say is some fans here want to establish a defensive identity and completely disregard the offensive spacing and fluidity.  A defender like Josh Jackson is much easier to replicate than a playmaker such as Lonzo Ball...  

 

I would add that when you have a good roster in place, it is much easier to attract the defensive-minded types, because they see an avenue to win a championship.    The defensive guys don't want to grind it out on a loser, but are happy to jump to a contender the way Artest did in 2009.

 

OTOH, a gunner, like Lou Williams, is happy to sign a contract and put up big numbers on a loser, seeing it as a way to pad stats and realizing it makes them an attractive trade candidate. 


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#3715 Tensai

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Posted June 19, 2017 - 04:17 AM

I haven't seen any "defensive specialist" jumping ship and getting success in recent years. The other scenario is much more common.


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Posted June 19, 2017 - 06:31 AM

I haven't seen any "defensive specialist" jumping ship and getting success in recent years. The other scenario is much more common.

 

I cited Artest.  We added him and let Ariza go.  The defense was similar (although Artest was tougher), while Artest provided a little more offensive potential.

 

And it doesn't have to be jumping ship.  You can acquire these guys via trade, etc.

 

At some point, I look for a guy like Michael Kidd-Gilchrist to be acquired by a contending team, if they can afford to fit him into their roster (financially). 


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Posted June 19, 2017 - 07:05 AM

Hurry everyone google irrelevant stats!

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Posted June 19, 2017 - 07:06 AM

Gutting the team for George is identical to the mosgov signing

We're betting against ourselves. We don't need to gut the damn roster
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Posted June 19, 2017 - 07:19 AM

yeah don't gut the 25 wins roster, smh. 



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Posted June 19, 2017 - 07:20 AM

yeah don't gut the 25 wins roster, smh.


Ya don't, because Paul George isn't going to resign in a place devoid of assets and talent
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