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#41 Majesty

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Posted November 07, 2016 - 07:43 PM

So if the draft pick is a Karl Anthony-Davis , that isn't better than winning a playoff game?

Or just build a winning team over the next 5 seasons and wait for KAT to get tired of Minnesota :P 

 

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Posted November 07, 2016 - 07:56 PM

I said Karl Anthony Davis

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Posted November 07, 2016 - 10:22 PM

Right, but if you develop what you have now, become a legit team, then when guys like Towns are available (and inevitably wanting out of Minnesota because they will have still gone nowhere by then), that's when you swoop in to get the final piece to the puzzle.


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Posted November 08, 2016 - 05:45 AM

Right, but if you develop what you have now, become a legit team, then when guys like Towns are available (and inevitably wanting out of Minnesota because they will have still gone nowhere by then), that's when you swoop in to get the final piece to the puzzle.

Actually, by the time Kat is avail, we will have had to spend a fortune keeping these kids together so who even knows if a deal then would be possible.

 

I think the lakers need to act quicker, like next 2 years for big prize, even if it takes an asset or 2 from current roster.


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Posted November 08, 2016 - 06:06 AM

Make the playoffs no question. Half of our team is youth.

Black
Nance
Ingram
Russell
Randle
Zubac

Don't need anymore. Being in the lottery will do more harm than good. These players we have. Especially the 2 #2 picks and our #7 pick need to experience success or you're solidifying a losing culture.

These young players need to learn what winning feels like and how to win

 

You said everything i wanted to say but. I will add that because of Clarkson and Zubac we know you don't have to be in the lottery to get a quality player. With the core that we have if we are lucky again and get another two Clarkson and Zubac in the next 5 drafts we will be doing Ok. 

 

I will rather gamble with that done gamble with tanking in the hopes of getting a stud.



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Posted November 08, 2016 - 07:16 AM

Now I never said let's team tank just a hypothetical scenario "You can never be too rich or too thin" Hoping you pronplayoffs folks are right just don't want the Land of Mediocrity not bad enough to get lottery or good enough to win it all. Remember vote early and often!

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Posted November 08, 2016 - 07:29 AM

There's a difference between being mediocre like the Grizz have been and being mediocre because our players haven't reached their full potential yet.

 

Making the Playoffs would likely accelerate the growth of our core group as they get used to playing in the intense, Playoff atmosphere. Free agents would likely listen to us. And now that we have a brilliant coach, a system in place, and a core collection of players...we'd have a legitimate pitch, too. 

 

Youth takes time to develop. Russell is still learning how to balance scoring/play-making and staying consistent. Ingram is struggling with his shot and needs some time to put on some weight (rushing it will only cause injury). And so forth. Not every draft pick is LeBron James who you can just immediately rely on to produce and lead the team. 



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Posted November 08, 2016 - 07:35 AM

To add on, vets provide that stabilizing presence that a young team needs. While Deng hasn't been producing, you could see him put his shoulder around Russell at one game and give him some pointers after Russell's turnovers in clutch situations. Mozgov has been terrific from protecting the rim and rotating which has helped production wise in games. Lou Williams has helped close out games (and also gave pointers to the young core). 

 

We need more players with experience, not more draft picks which will take who knows how long to develop. I don't think we'll make the Playoffs, but between the two choices, I'd choose Playoffs every time. 



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Posted November 08, 2016 - 07:36 AM

Blake / CP3 / Hayward 2017

Cousins / DAJ / PG 2018

Butler / Harden / Westbrook / Wall 2019

AD / Drummond / Whiteside 2020

KAT 2023

 

 

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Posted November 08, 2016 - 07:49 AM


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Posted November 08, 2016 - 08:52 AM

The Suns almost made the playoffs a few years ago under Hornacek. They didn't and ultimately regressed.

OKC gained Harden and didn't look back.

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Posted November 08, 2016 - 09:28 AM

The Suns assembled a competent team but after injuries and some subpar play, they regressed. However, I don't think they had a group of young guys with high potential. Bledsoe improved a lot after serving on the bench for the Clippers, but he didn't have a high ceiling to begin with. Same with Dragic.

 

As of OKC, they drafted KD in 2007, Westbrook in 2008, and Harden in 2009. In 2010 they made the 4th seed in the Playoffs. We can argue that our 2007 was Clarkson and Randle, our 2008 was Russell and Nance, and our 2009 was Ingram. It's unfair to expect a high playoff seed or even making the Playoffs in general because of the difference in talent and NBA era though. Our "not looking back" is the core we have right now. 

 

Besides, OKC is a small-market team. They kind of have to heavily depend on the draft. As long as we're a middle-of-the-pack team, we can sign mid-tier free agents at least and improve this team. 



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Posted November 08, 2016 - 09:52 AM

Thunder were 8th seed in 2010



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Posted November 08, 2016 - 11:04 AM

Man KD and RW together 8 years and only 1 finals.

 

Total fail as great as they are.

 

And make no mistake, they are


Praying for  1. Youngsters Ballin (Didn't really happen on a consistent basis at all) 2. Miracle Trade (Also didn't happen. And we traded our best player for chump change) 3. Kick Ass Rooks (Zubac exceeded, Ingram tried but disappointed overall)

READY FOR SEASON TO BE OVER!!!

 

 


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Posted November 08, 2016 - 11:26 AM

Kball is right.

Long gone are the days of rookies signing 3-year deals then walking away in free agency.

Most top players are with their organization at least 6-7 years before they take off.

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Posted November 08, 2016 - 12:10 PM

Kball is right.

Long gone are the days of rookies signing 3-year deals then walking away in free agency.

Most top players are with their organization at least 6-7 years before they take off.

 

That's precisely why we need to start showing progress and forget about the draft. Russell, Randle and Nance are in their second season. If they improve as they're supposed to a top 3 pick should be almost impossible.

A 20 W season would be a strong indication that we may have failed at the draft, and you rebuild through the draft so...


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Posted November 08, 2016 - 01:06 PM

Man KD and RW together 8 years and only 1 finals.

Total fail as great as they are.

And make no mistake, they are


More like 6 bc of injuries.

And more like 4, bc the first 2 years they weren't ready whatsoever

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Posted November 08, 2016 - 01:07 PM

That's precisely why we need to start showing progress and forget about the draft. Russell, Randle and Nance are in their second season. If they improve as they're supposed to a top 3 pick should be almost impossible.
A 20 W season would be a strong indication that we may have failed at the draft, and you rebuild through the draft so...

Not really.

Our guys shouldn't be better than Jazz guys, Wolves guys, Bledsoe-Knoght-Tyson, let alone the good and great teams in this league

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Posted November 08, 2016 - 01:16 PM

Why is it called limping? If we get into the playoffs it means the youth of this roster improved by almost 30 games

Which would mean we wouldn't need a pick. I mean logically you'd rather this roster win that many games because that means they've improved that much
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Posted November 08, 2016 - 02:02 PM

I mean logically you'd rather this roster win that many games because that means they've improved that much

 

Exactly my point. 

 

 

Not really.

Our guys shouldn't be better than Jazz guys, Wolves guys, Bledsoe-Knoght-Tyson, let alone the good and great teams in this league

 

How many wins would you consider acceptable under the assumption that our youngsters are progressing as they should? 

25-30 wins seems reasonable as a minimum, don't you think? Well, that would land us a 6th to 8th seed in the draft, or a 10-20% odds of keeping the pick

Conversely, as last stand put it, making the playoffs pretty much would necessarily imply that our draft picks are panning out and exceeding expectations. It's a no-brainier in my book.

 

It's not realistic to believe that we can just barely miss the PO's and still keep our pick, we would need to suck real bad again. If that happens these boards will (understandably) explode with trade ideas involving Russell, Randle, etc...

Not gonna happen anyway, so let's move on. We may not make the PO's but we're going to keep getting better and better, and better, and better, and better, and better, and better, and better... we are not Philly, not Philly, noway!!!!

 

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