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#1161 KidRN

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Posted November 02, 2017 - 12:39 PM

Giannis may have moved ahead of Anthony Davis as latest stars who dominate the league

On the right team with the right roster, I think I'd prefer AD. Both are amazing though.

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Posted November 02, 2017 - 05:35 PM

No you can't and that's why Ingram is such a wait and see. If he continues to grow from where he's been. Then by game 82 this season you can make a more accurate projection. The Giannis comparison is both fair and unfair because in reality Giannis is at this point a proven commodity. He's a superstar and his first 2 seasons were that of a raw enormous potential player who struggled to find his footing but grew

As of now Ingram is at the beginning of his second season. Can go any direction. So it's not a fair comparison however the fact that Giannis struggled early allows for Ingram to not be written off.

It basically means that Ingram has enormous potential and should be allowed the time to see the growth to make a more accurate assessment

Many players don't become Giannis. A high percentage dont. But Ingram is one of a select few players even with similar measurements and athletic ability. And the main thing is ingram is growing consistently. He's only moved forward so as of now the trend has consistently been in the upward direction so at this point the fair assumption is that'll continue until proven otherwise

No guarantees but I'm going to side with the trend for now and say Ingram will continue to improve

 

 

I agree 100% and if you believe in grooming your own stars, you are absolutely correct.

 

If you believe in obtaining stars and are uncertain in anyway about Ingram's potential, there is very little to lose if you're trading for a legit star who commits long-term, IMHO.

 

 

I'm not advocating moving Ingram right now.  He could flip the switch and become one of the hottest young stars in the league...but that's not likely happening before the end of the season.  If it does and the Stars want to play with him, of course it's best to keep him.  I just have seen anything that suggests he's on that timetable.

 

But what you said was well put.  That's why Ingram was untouchable at the end of last season.



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Posted November 02, 2017 - 06:03 PM

there is very little to lose if you're trading for a legit star who commits long-term, IMHO.

The problem is that no star is going to get traded here and immediately sign an extension. If that was the case, then I'd easily move Ingram and I'd bet that most posters on this forum would as well. Ingram and filler for PG13 that agrees to an extension as soon as the trade is complete would be a no-brainer. However, I wouldn't do this trade with Cousins even if he agreed to the extension because I don't want any parts of Cousins without first signing PG13 or Lebron.



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Posted November 02, 2017 - 06:19 PM

The problem is that no star is going to get traded here and immediately sign an extension. If that was the case, then I'd easily move Ingram and I'd bet that most posters on this forum would as well. Ingram and filler for PG13 that agrees to an extension as soon as the trade is complete would be a no-brainer. However, I wouldn't do this trade with Cousins even if he agreed to the extension because I don't want any parts of Cousins without first signing PG13 or Lebron.

 

 

Oh, I agree about Cousins...only way I touch him is if LeBron basically says he signs where Cousins signs.  You forget that PG13 was hoping to get traded to the Lakers this past summer to do what?  Sign an extension.

 

That's what I've been advocating.  No one is saying we should trade Ingram for a player that can leave in 6 months or less.



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Posted November 02, 2017 - 10:32 PM

You're also not addressing the issue of the stats though.

 

Ingram's 2nd year stats are from 7 games.

 

Giannis' 2nd year stats are from an entire season...hardly a valid comparison, no?  Unless, again, you claim to know the future or can justify the extrapolation...do you/can you?

 

I do claim to know the future. Ingram will be fine.

 

He's following a normal development curve and given his tools and mindset i dont think there is any reason to think that he wont continue to do that.



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Posted November 02, 2017 - 11:01 PM

Luke's asking him to do too much. He's not ready to be KD yet. He can't score in Isos or PnR attacking in traffic. 



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Posted November 03, 2017 - 05:10 AM

I won't pretend to know what Ingram will or won't become.  I also won't pretend to know what the Bucks FO was thinking during Giannis' first two seasons.  

 

It's against federal laws to be on the interwebz and not have a strong opinion about something, just saying


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Posted November 03, 2017 - 06:32 AM

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Hart getting no love dazz?


Edited by kball, November 03, 2017 - 06:33 AM.

Excited for  1. Lebron! (Still love me some Kobe, but damn this guy is amazing) 2. Another big get (Whether in FA or in a trade we need some attractions and closers) 3. Young Guys making big jump (Assuming we have anyone left after more necessary moves either genius ones or in desperation)

READY FOR SEASON!!!

 

 


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Posted November 03, 2017 - 09:31 AM

^

Hart getting no love dazz?

 

There you go  :D


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Posted November 03, 2017 - 10:40 AM

It's against federal laws to be on the interwebz and not have a strong opinion about something, just saying

 

Lol yea this board has been even more Nostradumbassey than normal lately.  People acting like they were there or that they know for a fact what other players and teams are / will be thinking.  Having pages long arguments representing their perception of what players / teams are thinking like they can speak for them and getting offended when people question those perceptions.  Some certifiable stuff frankly.     


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Posted November 03, 2017 - 11:36 AM

Lol yea this board has been even more Nostradumbassey than normal lately.  People acting like they were there or that they know for a fact what other players and teams are / will be thinking.  Having pages long arguments representing their perception of what players / teams are thinking like they can speak for them and getting offended when people question those perceptions.  Some certifiable stuff frankly.     

It's been like this since the Kobe vs LeBron debates.



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Posted November 03, 2017 - 12:28 PM

Yo it’s a public forum that’s what ya get! Just glad we’re playing better than last season, let’s get a W tonight!!👌🏼
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Posted November 04, 2017 - 12:28 AM

Lol yea this board has been even more Nostradumbassey than normal lately.  People acting like they were there or that they know for a fact what other players and teams are / will be thinking.  Having pages long arguments representing their perception of what players / teams are thinking like they can speak for them and getting offended when people question those perceptions.  Some certifiable stuff frankly.     

 

 

 

Just like the political climate and divisiveness:  Both sides...



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Posted November 04, 2017 - 12:32 AM

Ingram looks MUCH BETTER when he attacks within the flow of the offense.  If he can do that more and wait for clear outs less, he's a keeper.



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Posted November 04, 2017 - 09:52 AM

Ingram looks MUCH BETTER when he attacks within the flow of the offense. If he can do that more and wait for clear outs less, he's a keeper.

He's learning. But I'll say this. Last year was a whole thing of, well Ingram is worth keeping because he has so much potential

Yet he didn't really show any of it until the very end of the season

Now he's showing all of it in a sense that he has flashes. He's inconsistent but now you see the makings of something special.

If he keeps improving we may finally have 2 20 point scorers who do so efficiently in kuzma and Ingram. And that's gold. Absolute gold. With lonzo distributing that's the core.

What I like is that he started the season pressing. And it made him inefficient. However it did help him. And now he's learning to pick his spots. I'd say his learning curve has been much faster than Randle or Russell in terms of the mental game. Russell started to figure out where his spots were about halfway through year 2

Ingram seems to be moving faster. And his physical traits are undeniable

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Posted November 04, 2017 - 12:15 PM

Look for Ingram to really benefit with Kuz now in the starting lineup


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Excited for  1. Lebron! (Still love me some Kobe, but damn this guy is amazing) 2. Another big get (Whether in FA or in a trade we need some attractions and closers) 3. Young Guys making big jump (Assuming we have anyone left after more necessary moves either genius ones or in desperation)

READY FOR SEASON!!!

 

 


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Posted November 04, 2017 - 01:48 PM

Looking more comfortable on offense and learning how to use his length to be a better defender. The kid is definetely better than last season, and he's only 20 years old.

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Posted November 06, 2017 - 12:01 AM

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Posted November 06, 2017 - 12:11 AM

He's improved over last season no question, but still waiting for him to truly put a complete game together for four quarters consistently and put up at least 30.
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Posted November 06, 2017 - 01:32 AM

He's improved over last season no question, but still waiting for him to truly put a complete game together for four quarters consistently and put up at least 30.


He's more than capable of doing that and when he does, he'll be considered a superstar.

Mitch and Jim are going to be considered geniuses for not trading him for DC.




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