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#1141 Busty Bluth

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Posted November 01, 2017 - 03:11 PM

am i the only one or why does ingram look high as a mother[expletive]er all the time? LOL



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#1142 LakeShow1o1

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Posted November 01, 2017 - 03:23 PM

am i the only one or why does ingram look high as a mother[expletive]er all the time? LOL

 

I assure you, you are not the only one.

 

Watch any highlight video, interview, or any video in relation whatsoever to Ingram and one of the top 3 comments will be about how high he looks.  110% guarantee or your money back.



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Posted November 01, 2017 - 03:25 PM

I assure you, you are not the only one.

 

Watch any highlight video, interview, or any video in relation whatsoever to Ingram and one of the top 3 comments will be about how high he looks.  110% guarantee or your money back.

Looking forward to those away denver games probably


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Praying for  1. Some Cohesion (Ill fitting parts with young bucks, new guys, and those playing for next contracts may muck things up all season) 2. Better Coaching, No More Tanking (Last season was more of the latter but not sure how much of the former we can count on. Walton with something to prove this season as much as any Laker player) 3. Rookie Watch (Hoping Lonzo outshines his daddy (ROTY??), and Kuzma finds minutes and makes a push for all rook 2nd team)

READY FOR SEASON!!!

 

 


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Posted November 01, 2017 - 04:30 PM

Looking forward to those away denver games probably

 

Career HIGHS in Colorado no doubt haha


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Posted November 01, 2017 - 05:15 PM

Ingram looks like he could be Sam Perkin's son in more ways than one


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Praying for  1. Some Cohesion (Ill fitting parts with young bucks, new guys, and those playing for next contracts may muck things up all season) 2. Better Coaching, No More Tanking (Last season was more of the latter but not sure how much of the former we can count on. Walton with something to prove this season as much as any Laker player) 3. Rookie Watch (Hoping Lonzo outshines his daddy (ROTY??), and Kuzma finds minutes and makes a push for all rook 2nd team)

READY FOR SEASON!!!

 

 


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Posted November 01, 2017 - 10:42 PM

I'm guessing 99% of the league smokesweed lol

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Posted November 02, 2017 - 01:54 AM

Player A

19 years. Mins 28.8, ppg 9.4, rpg 4.0, apg 2.1, spg 0.6, bpg 0.5, fg% .402, 3pt% .294

20 years. Mins 31.7, ppg 14.4, rpg 3.9, apg 3.0, spg 1.4, bpg 0.4, fg% .438, 3pt% .333

 

Player B

19 years. Mins 24.6, ppg 6.8, rpg 4.4, apg 1.9, spg 0.8, bpg 0.8, fg% .414, 3pt% .347

20 years. Mins 31.4, ppg 12.7, rpg 6.7, apg 2.6, spg 0.9, bpg 1.0, fg% .491, 3pt% .159


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Posted November 02, 2017 - 04:21 AM

Player A

19 years. Mins 28.8, ppg 9.4, rpg 4.0, apg 2.1, spg 0.6, bpg 0.5, fg% .402, 3pt% .294

20 years. Mins 31.7, ppg 14.4, rpg 3.9, apg 3.0, spg 1.4, bpg 0.4, fg% .438, 3pt% .333

 

Player B

19 years. Mins 24.6, ppg 6.8, rpg 4.4, apg 1.9, spg 0.8, bpg 0.8, fg% .414, 3pt% .347

20 years. Mins 31.4, ppg 12.7, rpg 6.7, apg 2.6, spg 0.9, bpg 1.0, fg% .491, 3pt% .159

 

Player A = Ingram

Player B = Giannis ????


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Posted November 02, 2017 - 05:28 AM

Player A

19 years. Mins 28.8, ppg 9.4, rpg 4.0, apg 2.1, spg 0.6, bpg 0.5, fg% .402, 3pt% .294

20 years. Mins 31.7, ppg 14.4, rpg 3.9, apg 3.0, spg 1.4, bpg 0.4, fg% .438, 3pt% .333

 

Player B

19 years. Mins 24.6, ppg 6.8, rpg 4.4, apg 1.9, spg 0.8, bpg 0.8, fg% .414, 3pt% .347

20 years. Mins 31.4, ppg 12.7, rpg 6.7, apg 2.6, spg 0.9, bpg 1.0, fg% .491, 3pt% .159

 

 

Do they play the same position?  Same system?  Any coaching change?  Any players traded from their team from year 1 to 2?

 

It's really hard to make an adequate comparison based on stat lines from 2 years with no context.


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Posted November 02, 2017 - 05:43 AM

Do they play the same position?  Same system?  Any coaching change?  Any players traded from their team from year 1 to 2?

 

It's really hard to make an adequate comparison based on stat lines from 2 years with no context.

Agreed, I don't know what he's trying to say without stating anything other than stats. 


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Posted November 02, 2017 - 05:46 AM

Player A = Ingram

Player B = Giannis ????

 

Bingo!

 

I'll throw out another one:

Rookie. Mins 18.4, ppg 7.0, rpg 4.2, apg 1.5, spg 0.8, bpg 1.0, fg% .450, 3pt% .341

Soph. Mins 22.6, ppg 9.3, rpg 5.7, apg 2.3, spg 1.1, bpg 1.3, fg% .436, 3pt% .229

 

Guess who?

 

Do they play the same position?  Same system?  Any coaching change?  Any players traded from their team from year 1 to 2?

 

It's really hard to make an adequate comparison based on stat lines from 2 years with no context.

 

My point is that it can be very risky to give up on young guys too soon based on shaky performances in the early years.

 

Imagine if the Bucks had given up on Giannis just because he didn't play like Ben Simmons as a rookie.



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Posted November 02, 2017 - 06:15 AM

Bingo!

 

I'll throw out another one:

Rookie. Mins 18.4, ppg 7.0, rpg 4.2, apg 1.5, spg 0.8, bpg 1.0, fg% .450, 3pt% .341

Soph. Mins 22.6, ppg 9.3, rpg 5.7, apg 2.3, spg 1.1, bpg 1.3, fg% .436, 3pt% .229

 

Guess who?

 

 

My point is that it can be very risky to give up on young guys too soon based on shaky performances in the early years.

 

Imagine if the Bucks had given up on Giannis just because he didn't play like Ben Simmons as a rookie.

 

 

 

But it's the Bucks.  I could list all of the factors that went into that decision outside of a simple "he's young" argument but I won't. 

 

That argument could be used for ANY young player...ANY.  That's a fallacious argument because you are using unlimited probability as evidence for a future that is by definition unknown.  Unless you have knowledge of the future, that's no more valid than playing the lottery.

 

And there are EXPONENTIALLY more examples of players NOT becoming Giannis.  You are choosing the LEAST probable outcome to stand on as the basis for what you infer to be a likely reality.  That's beyond flawed and definitely not logical.


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Posted November 02, 2017 - 06:39 AM

But it's the Bucks.  I could list all of the factors that went into that decision outside of a simple "he's young" argument but I won't. 

 

That argument could be used for ANY young player...ANY.  That's a fallacious argument because you are using unlimited probability as evidence for a future that is by definition unknown.  Unless you have knowledge of the future, that's no more valid than playing the lottery.

 

And there are EXPONENTIALLY more examples of players NOT becoming Giannis.  You are choosing the LEAST probable outcome to stand on as the basis for what you infer to be a likely reality.  That's beyond flawed and definitely not logical.

 

Sure, there are loads of Guys not becoming Giannis, but what's important is the progression and production at that age. 14-3-3-1 at age 20 before being close to physically mature is quire rare.



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Posted November 02, 2017 - 06:44 AM

Sure, there are loads of Guys not becoming Giannis, but what's important is the progression and production at that age. 14-3-3-1 at age 20 before being close to physically mature is quire rare.

 

 

You're also not addressing the issue of the stats though.

 

Ingram's 2nd year stats are from 7 games.

 

Giannis' 2nd year stats are from an entire season...hardly a valid comparison, no?  Unless, again, you claim to know the future or can justify the extrapolation...do you/can you?


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Posted November 02, 2017 - 08:48 AM

Player A

19 years. Mins 28.8, ppg 9.4, rpg 4.0, apg 2.1, spg 0.6, bpg 0.5, fg% .402, 3pt% .294

20 years. Mins 31.7, ppg 14.4, rpg 3.9, apg 3.0, spg 1.4, bpg 0.4, fg% .438, 3pt% .333

 

Player B

19 years. Mins 24.6, ppg 6.8, rpg 4.4, apg 1.9, spg 0.8, bpg 0.8, fg% .414, 3pt% .347

20 years. Mins 31.4, ppg 12.7, rpg 6.7, apg 2.6, spg 0.9, bpg 1.0, fg% .491, 3pt% .159

To be fair, are we talking Player A for 7 games at 20, Player B for 80 games at age 20?


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Praying for  1. Some Cohesion (Ill fitting parts with young bucks, new guys, and those playing for next contracts may muck things up all season) 2. Better Coaching, No More Tanking (Last season was more of the latter but not sure how much of the former we can count on. Walton with something to prove this season as much as any Laker player) 3. Rookie Watch (Hoping Lonzo outshines his daddy (ROTY??), and Kuzma finds minutes and makes a push for all rook 2nd team)

READY FOR SEASON!!!

 

 


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Posted November 02, 2017 - 10:48 AM

I won't pretend to know what Ingram will or won't become.  I also won't pretend to know what the Bucks FO was thinking during Giannis' first two seasons.  


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Posted November 02, 2017 - 11:05 AM

Exactly, all we know is that he has potential, physical skills. He looks better than last season, that's for sure. Little stronger, more aggressive to the basket, pretty good defender. My only real concern is his shooting, he continues to struggle from outside and coming off the screens.

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Posted November 02, 2017 - 11:35 AM

Exactly, all we know is that he has potential, physical skills. He looks better than last season, that's for sure. Little stronger, more aggressive to the basket, pretty good defender. My only real concern is his shooting, he continues to struggle from outside and coming off the screens.


He's raw. The MAIN thing is he's shown consistent progress which is incredibly important. If he consistently is trending upwards that's all that matters. Both he and ball have limitless ceilings. Meaning they have potential to be anywhere from starters to superstars. I think that's where the front office felt fine trading Russell

Russell was a limited guy in that he had potential to be a borderline all star but his average athleticism made him have a ceiling.

With Ingram it's simple. He's not as polished at let's say a kuzma for example. But he shows you sometimes what he's potentially capable of. Guys of his size and athleticism mixed with skill level aren't exactly common.

If he grows consistently by 23 years old you're going to have a top flight player. It's a risk because that growth pattern isn't guaranteed. Where as Russell's floor was so high that he was guaranteed to at least be a very effective offensive starting player. Russell from day 1 was guaranteed to give you 15ppg. And had potential to become a 20-22ppg jump shooting guy. Ingram doesn't have that. He could either be an unreliable offensive guy or someone who grows into 25ppgs of dynamic offensive play with penetration and scoring from everywhere

It's wait and see. What I like is that he sounds like he wants to be that guy and he shows flashes of enormous potential. We're just going to have to see how he grows. We'll have a better idea by the end of the season if he's going to continue with his growth pattern. The promising part is that from his rookie year he grew all season, and now he's growing by the week. Every single week he looks better. That's a positive and the hope is that continues. If it does the league will be put on notice and people will want to come here
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Posted November 02, 2017 - 11:42 AM

You're also not addressing the issue of the stats though.

Ingram's 2nd year stats are from 7 games.

Giannis' 2nd year stats are from an entire season...hardly a valid comparison, no? Unless, again, you claim to know the future or can justify the extrapolation...do you/can you?

No you can't and that's why Ingram is such a wait and see. If he continues to grow from where he's been. Then by game 82 this season you can make a more accurate projection. The Giannis comparison is both fair and unfair because in reality Giannis is at this point a proven commodity. He's a superstar and his first 2 seasons were that of a raw enormous potential player who struggled to find his footing but grew

As of now Ingram is at the beginning of his second season. Can go any direction. So it's not a fair comparison however the fact that Giannis struggled early allows for Ingram to not be written off.

It basically means that Ingram has enormous potential and should be allowed the time to see the growth to make a more accurate assessment

Many players don't become Giannis. A high percentage dont. But Ingram is one of a select few players even with similar measurements and athletic ability. And the main thing is ingram is growing consistently. He's only moved forward so as of now the trend has consistently been in the upward direction so at this point the fair assumption is that'll continue until proven otherwise

No guarantees but I'm going to side with the trend for now and say Ingram will continue to improve

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Posted November 02, 2017 - 11:57 AM

Giannis may have moved ahead of Anthony Davis as latest stars who dominate the league


Praying for  1. Some Cohesion (Ill fitting parts with young bucks, new guys, and those playing for next contracts may muck things up all season) 2. Better Coaching, No More Tanking (Last season was more of the latter but not sure how much of the former we can count on. Walton with something to prove this season as much as any Laker player) 3. Rookie Watch (Hoping Lonzo outshines his daddy (ROTY??), and Kuzma finds minutes and makes a push for all rook 2nd team)

READY FOR SEASON!!!

 

 





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