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#21 dbtbandit67

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Posted November 23, 2015 - 06:02 PM

Lol.
So much wrong

 

How so?

 

What are his flaws on offense? He can do everything offensively. Drive, dish, pull-up

 

Maybe I jumped the shark with the Payton Stockton comparisons lol

 

He was and is better than Steve Nash ever was. Steve Nash to LAL was damaged broken goods



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Posted November 23, 2015 - 06:04 PM

His biggest problem really is being a little overweight dip[expletive]



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Posted November 23, 2015 - 06:15 PM

How so?

 

What are his flaws on offense? He can do everything offensively. Drive, dish, pull-up

 

Maybe I jumped the shark with the Payton Stockton comparisons lol

 

He was and is better than Steve Nash ever was. Steve Nash to LAL was damaged broken goods

Get back to us when CP3 wins an MVP let alone 2.

 

And doc is more than a mediocre coach before he got the big 3.

He had already won a coty in orlando.

And the way he handled the mess surrounding the Donald Sterling fiasco was textbook leadership to be case studied.

 

Agree clips have problems but they will still win 50ish games


Edited by kball, November 23, 2015 - 06:18 PM.

Praying for  1. Some Cohesion (Ill fitting parts with young bucks, new guys, and those playing for next contracts may muck things up all season) 2. Better Coaching, No More Tanking (Last season was more of the latter but not sure how much of the former we can count on. Walton with something to prove this season as much as any Laker player) 3. Rookie Watch (Hoping Lonzo outshines his daddy (ROTY??), and Kuzma finds minutes and makes a push for all rook 2nd team)

READY FOR SEASON!!!

 

 


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Posted November 23, 2015 - 08:14 PM

Chris Paul is better than Steve Nash in his prime?

 

Nope.



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Posted November 23, 2015 - 08:37 PM

Doc think's he is a GM... 



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Posted November 23, 2015 - 10:17 PM

I do think Cp3 over Nash actually. It's close but Cp3 has greater defensive value.
Both aren't Stockton or IT

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Posted November 24, 2015 - 12:58 AM

Chris Paul is better than Steve Nash in his prime?

Nope.

CP3 is a better player than Nash and Stockton. He might never get the total numbers those guys put up (especially Stockton) but he's as complete a point guard as any since Zeke.

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Posted November 24, 2015 - 01:54 AM

They signed Wes Johnson thats y



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Posted November 24, 2015 - 02:23 PM

I completely disagree about Paul vs. Nash and Stockton.

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Posted November 24, 2015 - 02:33 PM

malpractice rivers is a Terrible GM


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Posted November 25, 2015 - 10:49 PM

Coach and GM is historically a bad idea.  Plus, Doc hasn't built this team with team in mind, he's built the team with guys he either knew or he knows of.

 

In my opinion, Rivers was and has been a terribly overrated coach.  The proof is in his tenure with the Clippers.  That Boston team could've been coached by anyone.  The reason that team won was because of the leadership of Pierce, Garnett and Allen, and Thibodeua's defensive schemes.


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#32 Wilt Chamberneezy

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Posted November 25, 2015 - 11:16 PM

If only that Clippers Run LA guy was still around. It would make this situation even more hilarious.



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Posted November 26, 2015 - 08:41 AM

Coach and GM is historically a bad idea. Plus, Doc hasn't built this team with team in mind, he's built the team with guys he either knew or he knows of.

In my opinion, Rivers was and has been a terribly overrated coach. The proof is in his tenure with the Clippers. That Boston team could've been coached by anyone. The reason that team won was because of the leadership of Pierce, Garnett and Allen, and Thibodeua's defensive schemes.


Pierce was never known as a leader. Nor was Ray.


Give Doc his credit for that, while still assessing blame this year.

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Posted November 26, 2015 - 04:30 PM

Pierce was never known as a leader?  Alrighty then...

 

Doc is terribly overrated as a coach.


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Posted November 26, 2015 - 06:11 PM

Pierce was never known as a leader?  Alrighty then...

 

Doc is terribly overrated as a coach.


Yep... it wasn't like Pierce by himself lead the Celtics to the Eastern Conference Finals and was a game away from facing the Kobe and Shaq Lakers in the Finals in 2002 .. 

OH WAIT!!! 


"Bryant had come to rage against the idea that Howard's clownish disposition could overtake the locker room, the Lakers' culture, and had warned Howard that he would never, ever let it happen." 


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Posted November 26, 2015 - 06:57 PM

I don't understand how us Laker fans can use those kinds of criticisms about other coaches when we're usually the ones defending our greatest coaches from the same claims. Phil and Riley have both been known to coach the best talent in their time at the helm of the Lakers and that same "Oh anyone could've done it with those guys" claim could easily apply to them as well.

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Posted November 26, 2015 - 09:29 PM

Because Doc has yet to repeat anything close to what the Cletics did that one magic year they had.  Eveyr other year has been a failure.

 

The Lakers tried to do it with another coach, but the second Phil came into the picture everything fell into place.  Del Harris had the same teams and couldn't do squat with 'em.  Comparing Phil Jackson and Doc Rivers in any sense simply makes no sense.


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Posted November 27, 2015 - 12:30 AM

I'm pretty sure he was a quarter away from a title in one instance and a game away from beating the great Heat team in 2012. This was after KG messed up his knee in 2009 and was never the same (celtics still won 60+ games without its best player that season too). So that is a false statement

Also the Kobe of 2000 was a much better player than the year before. Some of that was due to Phil but most of it was just natural progression. The paragraph you wrote about Doc can literally be switched for Phil but instead of Thibs defense you can put Texs triangle and instead of the big three you replace them with the most dominant duo in the league. No real big difference

What's Pats excuse anyways? I'm pretty sure the coach who won the first title in 1980 was not Riley but Paul Westhead. You might say he was the architect of showtime but no that was Jack McKinney. Then right after Riley left his post Mike Dunleavy (a guy who is considered a very average coach now) took the Lakers to the finals in 91' with Divac replacing the greatest center of all time.

It's pretty obvious it works both ways so you can't say it's true for one coach and not for the other. I'm of the opinion that melding and managing great talent is a skill itself and the guy that steers that ship always deserves credit

Edited by stillshining, November 27, 2015 - 12:31 AM.


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Posted November 28, 2015 - 02:30 AM

Steve Ballmer was thinking Doc Rivers can be his Greg Popovich which was why he gave him President and Head Coach. Pat Riley had the same title when Shaq joined D-Wade in Miami, up until when they traded him away to Phoenix.

 

Doc can't scheme and construct and operate and keep together a large organization like Pat and Pop. He's a good player's coach, but he lacks vision.

 

CP3 is better than Steve Nash, period. Nash's MVP seasons were on a cheap Phoenix team where he publically said they don't care about defense at all, just push the ball up the floor. The look on their face when either the Spurs or Lakers knocked them out of the playoffs, it almost looked like they thought it was cheating that another team can foil their cheap schemes by boxing out, playing physical defense where you man up tighter, and punish cherry pickers by grabbing offensive rebounds.

 

Bringing Stockton and GP in the conversation... was a mistake, and the whole thing has kinda gotten out of control. But by the end of his career, CP3 will be in the conversation with those guys


Edited by dbtbandit67, November 28, 2015 - 02:30 AM.


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Posted December 08, 2015 - 06:33 AM

Putting Lance and Josh on the trading block already lol. Doc messed this up 







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