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Posted May 30, 2015 - 06:48 PM

Seems a bit strange not to see certain people in this thread with anything to say. Just complete silence.
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Posted May 30, 2015 - 08:34 PM

I guess since Kobe leads in this pointless stat that there needs to be a post about it.

i guess its pointless since it points in favor of kobe facing stronger built opponents who were top title contenders compared to the golden child, lebron? you'd prob be jizzing in your pants if things were switched, huh? wouldn't be so pointless then


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Posted May 31, 2015 - 12:13 PM


i guess its pointless since it points in favor of kobe facing stronger built opponents who were top title contenders compared to the golden child, lebron? you'd prob be jizzing in your pants if things were switched, huh? wouldn't be so pointless then


You can make the argument on talent alone LeBron is better then Kobe. Kobe is a great scorer but LeBron is a better all around player. Can we stop with the childish comments that would never be said in person.

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Posted May 31, 2015 - 12:33 PM

You can make the argument on talent alone LeBron is better then Kobe. Kobe is a great scorer but LeBron is a better all around player. Can we stop with the childish comments that would never be said in person.


I really hope you're not implying Lebron is more skilled than Kobe. If it wasn't for lebrons athleticism he would not be as good as he is
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Posted May 31, 2015 - 02:02 PM

You can make the argument on talent alone LeBron is better then Kobe. Kobe is a great scorer but LeBron is a better all around player. Can we stop with the childish comments that would never be said in person.

In their primes, LeBron was not a better all around player. Kobe was a better scorer, better fundamentally, better defender, and consistently played better against stronger competition in May and June.

 

Even today, LeBron struggles going left and has no where near the fundamental skill that Kobe or MJ has. And he was an absolute dumpster fire as a defender for the first 6 years of his career.


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Posted May 31, 2015 - 02:10 PM

Lebron has tremendous talent and can definately be argued as one of the greatest in talks with MJ and Kobe, however he is also a once in a lifetime physical specimen that has also been very fortunante to play in a Conference with little to no competition in the past decade.

 

Alot of people don't realize just how amazing Kobe Bryant was in his prime simply because the team that he was surrounded with was pure garbage therefore he never made it to far.  The fact that the Lakers squad in 08 nearly upset the Suns team consisting of an MVP caliber Nash and co. summarizes just how good Kobe was...  It was literally him against the Suns.

 

People always think that Lebron had nothing in Cleveland prior to leaving for Miami, however guys like Big Z, Mo Williams, Antawn Jamison, Anderson Varejao, Drew Gooden, Larry Hughes, and several other minor pieces are more than enough to compete in the East at that time.  


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Posted May 31, 2015 - 02:13 PM

Why do people talk about all time greats independently of their team?  Everyone remembers that Kobe was surrounded by trash in his prime and Lebron's team was bad as well.  That 06-07 Laker team could have gotten to the ECF rather easy.  Once you stop comparing their legacies it makes it easier to see that they didn't have the same path.  Kobe has said numerous of times how fortunate he was to be a Laker.  Coming onto a damn near contending squad at 17 years old kept him from having to go through what KG and Lebron did.  It's not a knock on Kobe and it not a plus for Lebron.  Both simply have done the best with the cards they were given. 

 

Lebron has tremendous talent and can definately be argued as one of the greatest in talks with MJ and Kobe, however he is also a once in a lifetime physical specimen that has also been very fortunante to play in a Conference with little to no competition in the past decade.

 

Alot of people don't realize just how amazing Kobe Bryant was in his prime simply because the team that he was surrounded with was pure garbage therefore he never made it to far.  The fact that the Lakers squad in 08 nearly upset the Suns team consisting of an MVP caliber Nash and co. summarizes just how good Kobe was...  It was literally him against the Suns.

 

People always think that Lebron had nothing in Cleveland prior to leaving for Miami, however guys like Big Z, Mo Williams, Antawn Jamison, Anderson Varejao, Drew Gooden, Larry Hughes, and several other minor pieces are more than enough to compete in the East at that time.  


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Posted May 31, 2015 - 02:15 PM

Compete vs whom?  Lebron did lead the 07 Cavs to the Finals.  They lost to a better Orlando team and a much better Boston team that could have beaten us.  The fact that the Cavs were even considered a contender with those players says a lot.  The East sucked but his supporting cast was never great til Miami and Miami was still better than any Western team for the 2 years they did win.  He's had an easier path when his team was the best I can admit but when he was with the Cavs he carried a lottery team to the Finals and CFs

 

Lebron has tremendous talent and can definately be argued as one of the greatest in talks with MJ and Kobe, however he is also a once in a lifetime physical specimen that has also been very fortunante to play in a Conference with little to no competition in the past decade.

 

Alot of people don't realize just how amazing Kobe Bryant was in his prime simply because the team that he was surrounded with was pure garbage therefore he never made it to far.  The fact that the Lakers squad in 08 nearly upset the Suns team consisting of an MVP caliber Nash and co. summarizes just how good Kobe was...  It was literally him against the Suns.

 

People always think that Lebron had nothing in Cleveland prior to leaving for Miami, however guys like Big Z, Mo Williams, Antawn Jamison, Anderson Varejao, Drew Gooden, Larry Hughes, and several other minor pieces are more than enough to compete in the East at that time.  


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Posted May 31, 2015 - 02:30 PM

Compete vs whom?  Lebron did lead the 07 Cavs to the Finals.  They lost to a better Orlando team and a much better Boston team that could have beaten us.  The fact that the Cavs were even considered a contender with those players says a lot.  The East sucked but his supporting cast was never great til Miami and Miami was still better than any Western team for the 2 years they did win.  He's had an easier path when his team was the best I can admit but when he was with the Cavs he carried a lottery team to the Finals and CFs

 

Yeah, that 07 Cavaliers team wasn't anything special, but they weren't complete garbage either.  Even with guys like Big Z, Larry Hughes, and Drew Gooden at the declining stages of their carreers were still servicable against an Eastern Conference that only had one team win above 50 games being the Pistons at (53-29), the Cavs were (50-32).  The Eastern Confernece was just as weak then as it is now if not even worst...  The 8th seeded Magic were (40-42) just like the 8th seeded Celtics this season.  He didn't need an amazing supporting cast to get far.



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Posted May 31, 2015 - 02:31 PM

Put any player on that team not him or Kobe during that season and they don't get past the 1st round. 

 

Yeah, that 07 Cavaliers team wasn't anything special, but they weren't complete garbage either.  Even with guys like Big Z, Larry Hughes, and Drew Gooden at the declining stages of their carreers were still servicable against an Eastern Conference that only had one team win above 50 games being the Pistons at (53-29), the Cavs were (50-32).  The Eastern Confernece was just as weak then as it is now if not even worst...  The 8th seeded Magic were (40-42) just like the 8th seeded Celtics this season.  He didn't need an amazing supporting cast to get far.


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Posted May 31, 2015 - 02:42 PM

Put any player on that team not him or Kobe during that season and they don't get past the 1st round. 

 

Put any player on that team not him or Kobe and that team doesn't even make the playoffs... that team isn't even going to be above 500... Similar to any team in the Eastern Conference at that time without their key player...

 

Pistons (No Big Shot) - 2nd highest leading scorer per game is Richard Hamilton

Toronto (Chris Bosh) - 2nd highest leading scorer Tj Ford 3rd... Anthony Parker (Sister Candice would have posted better stats)

Miami (Dwayne Wade) - 2nd higest leading scorer Shaq, probably the biggest shock that year that the Pistons swept them.

Chicago ( Luol Deng) - 2nd highest leading scorer Ben Gordon, 3rd... Kirk Hinrich

Washington (Gilert Arenas) - We all know the answer to that one

Nets (Vince Carter) - You have J Kidd, but where he is gonna go with just JRich and Mikki Moore?


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Posted May 31, 2015 - 03:07 PM

Are they still trying to call that 06-07 team the "Prime Pistons that beat the Lakers" stuff?   They didn't even have Ben Wallace.  

Know the guy that lead his team to beat the Prime Pistons? Ben Wallace and all?  Dwayne Wade in his 3rd year and he did it shooting 61% against one of the best defensive teams of all time two seasons removed from beating the heck out of us and one season removed from losing a 7 game series to the Spurs in the finals the previous year.   

LeBron lead a terrible Cavs team in retrospect to the Finals,with role players like Z, Hughes, Gooden and Varajao off the bench.    He deserves credit for that.   But in reality the only team in the East worth anything that season was the remnants of the Pistons team that lost their anchor in Ben Wallace.  Them and the Cavs were the only teams that even won 50 games in the East that year and were very obviously the best the East had to Offer that year.   It wasn't like the Cavs were the 8th seed, they were the 2nd, right behind Detroit. They were the two best teams in the East that season. 

But then the very next year the Big 3 in Boston formed, thus giving the East it's successor to the now shot Pistons team, and the very next season a guy named Dwight Howard carried a Magic team of Lewis, Turkuglu and Rafer Alston to the finals.  He didn't have the teams 2nd in command Jameer Nelson for half the year till the finals and got through Cleveland whom had added Delonte West and Gibson(who shot 44% from three that year as a 6th man) to that roster.    

But the truth of the matter is, after that one season that LeBron lead the Cavs to the finals. The East got better with not just Dwight and the Magic, but the Big three in Boston and LeBron was never getting to the finals with Cleveland again. That's why he went to Miami.  He succeeded in a weak east and the remnants of a Pistons team.  The moment the East got competitive again he knew like we all knew lightning was never gonna strike twice because the East actually had competition.   That's why he went to Miami.   Otherwise he'd never have ever gotten past Boston.  Not unless he came to the West.  And that wasn't going to happen. 


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Posted May 31, 2015 - 11:08 PM

You can make the argument on talent alone LeBron is better then Kobe. Kobe is a great scorer but LeBron is a better all around player. Can we stop with the childish comments that would never be said in person.

lol i will gladly say it person, not the first time you've insinuated such things but it should be the last. Just having to type that made me feel childish.  Don't go to that level.

 

And no, Lebron is not as talented as kobe, period. Athletically? yes.


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Posted June 01, 2015 - 12:21 AM

Stats like this should give people more appreciation for Kobe, especially the stats that one poster listed regarding his stats in those eliminations. I'd love to see him add a couple more to the list, but I'm not counting on it.



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Posted June 01, 2015 - 01:07 AM

Lebron's a Ray Allen hail mary from being 1-4 in the Finals... Potentially 1-5 after this one, no way he'd be considered an All Time (Mount Rushmore) Great with that record...

Shoulda woulda coulda, I know I know, it didnt happen that way.

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Posted June 01, 2015 - 03:05 AM

Only thing lebron has goint for him is hea a freak of nature once in a lifetime physical specimen. And hes declining. Hes not as skilled as kboe ever as. You would never see a team in the finals sag off o kobe and date him to shoot.
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Posted June 01, 2015 - 08:40 PM

Also take into consideration that Lebron has been able to stay relevantly injury free, as in he's never faced a serious injury throughout his entire career thus far.  In any sport, staying healthy is obviously key.  Especially for a guy who relies upon his strength and athletcism to succeed (I'm not saying he's not gifted in other areas because he most definately has tremendous basketball IQ and is phenomenal in other areas).  

 

No knock on Lebron, he's a tough competitor and will give you his all no matter what, I just don't know if he'll run through AS MANY brick walls as Kobe would in order to win.

 

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Sad to see his carreer decline the way it has been, we've been way too spoiled. 

 

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Posted June 02, 2015 - 04:38 PM

Max & Marcellus were talking about Lebron and Kobe today.
I twitted them the 50W teams picture during a commercial break and Max brought it up 2 minutes later.

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