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#41 Draztik

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Posted May 13, 2015 - 10:56 PM

Pat's fans mentality


"Yeah they cheated but they shouldn't be punished because it didn't help as much as it should have!"


-_-Let me know how a ball that is slightly less inflated help Tom Brady shred the colts defense. Let me know how it prevented the colts from stopping the running game. Let me help you, it doesn't help it any more than the balls that are over inflated. The only argument that makes sense is a fumble issue and even then.. That is a random act. But please continue the witch hunt because it's the cool thing to do


Again we are convicting the pats on nothing concrete. Tom Brady not releasing his phone doesn't mean much until I can see more out of this case. I need something more of the probably they did this or probably they didn't do that. I also want to know if they did in fact systematically do this, why? Purely preference? Why hassnt the league caught this at all? How is it possible if the balls are locked away? Why even allow legal tampering of the ball? Why no warning to the pats? Sting operation? What's the background on the colts talking to the league pregame? What's woth the two different pressure gauges?


It's more relevant to the game before against the Ravens than against us in the AFC Championship. That's why no Colt player or coach is commenting.

The commissioner was screwed either way. Either you don't punish the team and Brady or punish them hard enough and he'd get hit that he favors the Pats. Then he'd get heat from half the leagues GMs and teams (probably more than half) that already think the Pats still cheat and are favored.

Or he does something about it to prove no one is above the rules and gets [expletive]ted on as well

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Posted May 14, 2015 - 03:22 AM

1. Why wouldn't the Pats allow Wells to do a second interview with McNally?


2. “Mr. Brady, the report sets forth, he came to the interview, he answered every question, he did not refuse to answer any questions in terms of the back and forth between Mr. Brady and my team — he was totally cooperative,” Wells said. “At the same time, he refused to permit us to review electronic data from his telephone or other instruments. Most of the key evidence in this case as in most cases comes from people’s cell phones and he refused to let us review the phone. And I want to be crystal clear, I told Mr. Brady and his agents I was willing to not take possession of the phone, I don’t want to see any private communications, I said, ‘You keep the phone, you give me documents that are responsive to this investigation and I will take your word for it’ and they still refused.”

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Posted May 14, 2015 - 07:22 AM

i think there's more concrete evidence of his long term involvement than the media is leading everyone to believe.  

 

apparently there were texts from the patriots employee who referred to himself as "the deflator" dating back to before the season.  i read some of the texts, and bradys named was mentioned, as a was a "threat" (albeit seemingly delivered jokingly) that the person hasn't gone to ESPN...yet    

 

it does feel like the kind of logic that wouldn't hold up in a normal court of law however, i don't believe they've actually proved anything but that there's a 98% chance that brady was aware that this was going on, and that it's been going on for a long time

 

NFL can technically do what they want i guess, they're not a court of law, so they can suspend someone as they see fit.  they're probably trying to make an example to league by suspending it's so called golden boy...suspending him for 4 games is like suspending someone else for 10.  also, quick action will help to bury the story sooner than later.

 

I see your point but anyone can do that to anyone at anytime.

I can text a friend or acquaintance right now, or even post here.......
"Kobe Bryant is a murderer and hes not gonna like the way this murder is going down. He told us before to murder differently".

And Kobe never saw it. Knows nothing of it. Nor does he GAF at all what I'm saying.

But it could still be used as evidence he may have been involved someway?
No......but I'm sure if the press core tmz cats got ahold of it the headlines would read
"TEXTS SHOW KOBE MAY HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN MURDER"

 

Brady refusing to hand over his phone kind of shows he's hiding the texts that prove he knew.

If you are innocent why provide reasonable doubt in it by refusing to cooperate?

If I was a celeb I wouldnt hand over my phone to some Private Investigator I dont know either. Theres zero confidentiality with a PI. If he finds the pics of me and my wifes secret sex session inside Splash Mountian he could distribute it to the press and capitalize on my privacy. I may as well be hacked and my private data stole and posted online.

Maybe Bradys got side freak. Maybe he talks [expletive] about Robert Craft.....or Roger Goodell. Or the President. Or maybe he has gay porn on his phone. Or makes racist jokes to his black friend back and forth. Or videos of him and Gronk snorting lines before the game. Anything that texts/images/data on his phone could be used to damage his life/image and credibility in some way. Or maybe hes got awesome sex pics with Gisselle and  he doesnt GAF if the world sees him nude and hittin it, but in respect for his super model wife cant let those pics be released. Who knows wtf hes got on his phone.
 

Even if you gave over your private info to the CIA...something of that nature would leak to the press. It always does. Now imagine a Private Investigator having access to that data. Even if you had a iron clad Confidentiality Agreement where he could be criminally and civilly liable if releasing unrelated content "Its more probable than not" he will sell you out.

 

And it doesnt matter if he deletes the images/texts/etc before he hands over his phone because the many retrieval programs to reassemble the data fragments bytes and restore the files.


Additionally I'm sure Bradys agent and lawyers said "no" not Brady himself.

 

Remember when the rape charge hit Kobe. The media painted him guilty. They still do. Even though the broad confessed to friends that it was all a lie. People believe whatever the media reports. We dont look beyond the motivations of the story.

 

Im not protecting Brady. Im just saying theres a lot of negative speculation out there because everyone craves blood.

"Its more probable than not" that there could be numerous explanations for any one action.

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Posted May 14, 2015 - 07:34 AM

I see your point but anyone can do that to anyone at anytime.

I can text a friend or acquaintance right now, or even post here.......
"Kobe Bryant is a murderer and hes not gonna like the way this murder is going down. He told us before to murder differently".

And Kobe never saw it. Knows nothing of it. Nor does he GAF at all what I'm saying.

But it could still be used as evidence he may have been involved someway?
No......but I'm sure if the press core tmz cats got ahold of it the headlines would read
"TEXTS SHOW KOBE MAY HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN MURDER"
 

 

yea, that's the argument that's out there, that in theory he could have been framed, the kobe murder actually might be a bit extreme as kobe wasn't found holding a bloody knife or something in that example...whereas brady was actually playing with these deflated balls, and with the actual motive that it helps his grip on the ball

 

again, part of my point was that they haven't proved that anything actually happened, and it wouldn't hold up in a court of law, just that they're pretty sure hew as involved, and that was enough for the NFL


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Posted May 14, 2015 - 08:11 AM

No one gave a crap about this until it was the Pats. Quite a few QBs have openly said they had the balls scuffed or otherwise broken in the way they wanted them.

sounds to me its a common practice among qbs in the league, prob why both Brady and Manning pushed for being able to alter balls to the QB's preference.. so now tell me why its a big deal again and describe how it's cheating? just because its in the rule book? The Seahawks rape receivers every play knowing the refs won't call it every single play. Is that not cheating the system in itself? THe refs have handled brady's balls "hehe" for years and no complaint.. but now the league sees it as a problem? This doctoring of balls is ridiculous in the first place

 

I don't see how any of your statements flow logical. Yes something is indeed cheating if it is in the rule book that you can't do it. When the seahwaks supposedly "rape" receivers and the refs call it they do get a penalty, then again anyone that watches football knows they just play physically it isn't actually cheating. While other QB's have admitted to it, have they ever been caught in the act? Has there ever been a game where half way through the refs realized a majority of the balls were under inflated? Nope. That's like if you get arrested for selling drugs and your attorney argues on the merit plenty of other people do it, heck they even admit to it so why should my client get sentenced? When your caught in the act and saying you did something is indeed very different. With the drug analogy I guess we should just throw out all cases against dealers because every other rapper says how much they trap in every song...

 

Don't make this out to be the league trying to sacrifice the pats because they are who they are. No, Tom is getting punished because anyone that has common sense can put 2 and 2 together and see he had some sort of connection. To people saying there is no direct evidence and wouldn't hold up in a court of law, last I checked this isn't the court of law. Since when did your employer need to be 99.999999% to punish you in some capacity? If it is more likely than not it is completely in their power to discipline you and that is the case here. 

 

Anyone that watched Brady's press conference about this when it was a first thing could easily tell he was talking out of his ass. If you believe him your either the most gullible person ever, or just a huge tom brady fan boy. 


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Posted May 14, 2015 - 09:34 AM

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Posted May 14, 2015 - 09:45 AM

Who cares, it didn't change the outcome of the game in any way. Only people stuck on arguing this probably have nothing better to do, or just have some hate against the Pats. Pretty childish if you ask me. Everyone in this situation, just childish and unnecessary stories for made up for headlines.
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Posted May 14, 2015 - 10:47 AM

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haha, heard this on the radio this morning on the way to work

 

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Posted May 14, 2015 - 10:53 AM

yea, that's the argument that's out there, that in theory he could have been framed, the kobe murder actually might be a bit extreme as kobe wasn't found holding a bloody knife or something in that example...whereas brady was actually playing with these deflated balls, and with the actual motive that it helps his grip on the ball

 

again, part of my point was that they haven't proved that anything actually happened, and it wouldn't hold up in a court of law, just that they're pretty sure hew as involved, and that was enough for the NFL

and they can do whatever they want really. there could be scrutiny and outrage....but its their world. I just watch it....lol


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Posted May 14, 2015 - 10:56 AM

Who cares, it didn't change the outcome of the game in any way. Only people stuck on arguing this probably have nothing better to do, or just have some hate against the Pats. Pretty childish if you ask me. Everyone in this situation, just childish and unnecessary stories for made up for headlines.

im with you on this one. And Im a Falcons fan, not a Brady fan but I dont dislike the guy since hes in another conference...lol

Ill add its also very negative. Instead of celebrating a success story and trying to use it as motivation to achieve, as a society we try to tear it down and discredit it. Whats this accomplish?

Maybe ignorance is bliss sometimes?


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Posted May 14, 2015 - 11:16 AM

im with you on this one. And Im a Falcons fan, not a Brady fan but I dont dislike the guy since hes in another conference...lol
Ill add its also very negative. Instead of celebrating a success story and trying to use it as motivation to achieve, as a society we try to tear it down and discredit it. Whats this accomplish?
Maybe ignorance is bliss sometimes?


You'd think Laker fans would sympathize with Brady, as Kobe's dealt with the same bull[expletive] through his incredible career as well.
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Posted May 14, 2015 - 02:07 PM

Patriots firing back at the league with a 20,000 word rebuttal. WellsReportContext.com. LFG Pats F*** Goodell and Wells tryna frame us and we aint do nothing.

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Posted May 14, 2015 - 02:26 PM

Lol at the Sportsnation wrestling meme! Saw these comments on FB:

"They should take away another 1st round draft pick and give them another big fine for even posting this excuse."

"You guys havent heard of the deflater weight loss program? Its pretty easy. Everyday is a cheat day."

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Posted May 14, 2015 - 02:28 PM

i think there's more concrete evidence of his long term involvement than the media is leading everyone to believe.  
 
apparently there were texts from the patriots employee who referred to himself as "the deflator" dating back to before the season.  i read some of the texts, and bradys named was mentioned, as a was a "threat" (albeit seemingly delivered jokingly) that the person hasn't gone to ESPN...yet    
 
it does feel like the kind of logic that wouldn't hold up in a normal court of law however, i don't believe they've actually proved anything but that there's a 98% chance that brady was aware that this was going on, and that it's been going on for a long time
 
NFL can technically do what they want i guess, they're not a court of law, so they can suspend someone as they see fit.  they're probably trying to make an example to league by suspending it's so called golden boy...suspending him for 4 games is like suspending someone else for 10.  also, quick action will help to bury the story sooner than later.
 
I see your point but anyone can do that to anyone at anytime.
I can text a friend or acquaintance right now, or even post here.......

"Kobe Bryant is a murderer and hes not gonna like the way this murder is going down. He told us before to murder differently".
And Kobe never saw it. Knows nothing of it. Nor does he GAF at all what I'm saying.


But it could still be used as evidence he may have been involved someway?

No......but I'm sure if the press core tmz cats got ahold of it the headlines would read

"TEXTS SHOW KOBE MAY HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN MURDER"


 
Brady refusing to hand over his phone kind of shows he's hiding the texts that prove he knew.


If you are innocent why provide reasonable doubt in it by refusing to cooperate?
If I was a celeb I wouldnt hand over my phone to some Private Investigator I dont know either. Theres zero confidentiality with a PI. If he finds the pics of me and my wifes secret sex session inside Splash Mountian he could distribute it to the press and capitalize on my privacy. I may as well be hacked and my private data stole and posted online.
Maybe Bradys got side freak. Maybe he talks [expletive] about Robert Craft.....or Roger Goodell. Or the President. Or maybe he has gay porn on his phone. Or makes racist jokes to his black friend back and forth. Or videos of him and Gronk snorting lines before the game. Anything that texts/images/data on his phone could be used to damage his life/image and credibility in some way. Or maybe hes got awesome sex pics with Gisselle and  he doesnt GAF if the world sees him nude and hittin it, but in respect for his super model wife cant let those pics be released. Who knows wtf hes got on his phone.

 
Even if you gave over your private info to the CIA...something of that nature would leak to the press. It always does. Now imagine a Private Investigator having access to that data. Even if you had a iron clad Confidentiality Agreement where he could be criminally and civilly liable if releasing unrelated content "Its more probable than not" he will sell you out.
 
And it doesnt matter if he deletes the images/texts/etc before he hands over his phone because the many retrieval programs to reassemble the data fragments bytes and restore the files.


Additionally I'm sure Bradys agent and lawyers said "no" not Brady himself.
 
Remember when the rape charge hit Kobe. The media painted him guilty. They still do. Even though the broad confessed to friends that it was all a lie. People believe whatever the media reports. We dont look beyond the motivations of the story.
 
Im not protecting Brady. Im just saying theres a lot of negative speculation out there because everyone craves blood.
"Its more probable than not" that there could be numerous explanations for any one action.
See what I did there...lol



That's completely different considering you and kobe have no personal contact at all.

Also like windu said they didn't want the phone. They even said you can just print the text messages, emails etc that were between you and the ball boys. Then his gay porn is still safe.

People keep saying who cares they won big time. Yes that's true no one cares even Colts fans and players don't care about that game. It's the fact they've cheated before and keep cheating like they are above everyone else.


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Posted May 14, 2015 - 02:31 PM

You'd think Laker fans would sympathize with Brady, as Kobe's dealt with the same bull[expletive] through his incredible career as well.


Sympathize with cheats? Get outta here.

Whether the balls had an effect on the game or not...you knew the rules and you agreed to abide by them. And this is not the first NOR SECOND TIME the cheatriots have been caught red-handed.

Don't compare one of the greatest players to a garbage franchise like Boston.

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Posted May 14, 2015 - 02:43 PM

Sympathize with cheats? Get outta here.

Whether the balls had an effect on the game or not...you knew the rules and you agreed to abide by them. And this is not the first NOR SECOND TIME the cheatriots have been caught red-handed.

Don't compare one of the greatest players to a garbage franchise like Boston.


So if it had no affect on the game, it's sort of like Kobe being bashed for the rape case? Whether he did it or not doesn't really matter, all it does is bring down his rep and take away from the game.

For the record, I don't care if he gets punished or not, I just hate the standards they've set for suspending someone 4 games. "There was no way he wasn't somehow involved" so he's suspended. That bull[expletive] will never stand in legal review. No matter how much you think he was involved, spreading gossip on the issue hurts the entire NFL, not just the Pats.

The only party who can win in this situation is the media, making those tabloid like headlines on the issue any chance they get. Stupidity all around.

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Posted May 14, 2015 - 03:09 PM

The entire players association is appealing Brady suspension.
Kinda let's fans know that the charge, if true or not isn't as significant as the press is making it out to be when all the leagues players say the suspension isnt justified.

Not sure what will happen. Probably down grade it to a game or 2.

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Posted May 14, 2015 - 04:44 PM

The entire players association is appealing Brady suspension.

Kinda let's fans know that the charge, if true or not isn't as significant as the press is making it out to be when all the leagues players say the suspension isnt justified.


Not sure what will happen. Probably down grade it to a game or 2.



Players association which represents the players and appeals all suspensions other than Aaron hernandez of course.

Doesn't mean all players in the league think it should be appealed. A lot of players applauded the commissioner through twitter right after it was handed out.


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Posted May 14, 2015 - 07:52 PM

So if it had no affect on the game, it's sort of like Kobe being bashed for the rape case? Whether he did it or not doesn't really matter, all it does is bring down his rep and take away from the game.

For the record, I don't care if he gets punished or not, I just hate the standards they've set for suspending someone 4 games. "There was no way he wasn't somehow involved" so he's suspended. That bull[expletive] will never stand in legal review. No matter how much you think he was involved, spreading gossip on the issue hurts the entire NFL, not just the Pats.

The only party who can win in this situation is the media, making those tabloid like headlines on the issue any chance they get. Stupidity all around.

Kobe allegedly sexually assaulting a woman has nothing to do with the game itself.

It should be more than four games. It makes your product on the field look bush league.

The integrity of the game wins. I say again: The New England Patriots are repeat offenders.

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Posted May 14, 2015 - 08:16 PM

Hehe you mean "no evidence that Tom Brady likes his balls deflated and he's never said it."   Oh really????  

You mean like when he made that comment about how he likes Gron's 'spike' celebrations and he'd used to tease him going "Well at least you made it flatter. Cause I prefer my balls a little deflated."   or something to that effect. 


It was something to that effect when he was talking about Gron's 'spiking' celebration.  Off comment but the funny thing is if someone brought that up it would put a nail in that statement.  



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