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#21 Sako32

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Posted August 11, 2010 - 02:21 PM

this would be great. Eliminate the competition on the West. Making the Boston, Miami, New York, and Orlando fight over who can come play a rested Laker team.
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Posted August 11, 2010 - 02:35 PM

this would be great. Eliminate the competition on the West. Making the Boston, Miami, New York, and Orlando fight over who can come play a rested Laker team.

this whole free agent bash of 2010 and 2011 might be the perfect story to kobe's 4-peat <_<

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Posted August 11, 2010 - 02:46 PM

He's born in New York and his wife, La La is from New York. I think he'll choose NY than re-sign with the Nugs too.


Edit:Nevermind he was indeed born there but raised in Baltimore.

Edited by El Diablo, August 11, 2010 - 02:48 PM.

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Posted August 11, 2010 - 03:22 PM

I don't get the allure to play in NY

Pau Gasol is GONE


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Posted August 11, 2010 - 03:41 PM

I can see him and CP3 signing there nxt year
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Posted August 11, 2010 - 03:52 PM

Yep, not surprising at all.

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Posted August 11, 2010 - 04:48 PM

I don't get the allure to play in NY

Big market. New York is the mecca of basketball.

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Posted August 11, 2010 - 05:51 PM

Big market. New York is the mecca of basketball.


But why? What has NY won with regards to NBA basketball?

Pau Gasol is GONE


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Posted August 11, 2010 - 06:10 PM

But why? What has NY won with regards to NBA basketball?

Are you being serious? :facepalm:
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Posted August 11, 2010 - 11:40 PM

* They have won a championship or two; one in 1970 and one in 1972.
* They've made several Finals appearances (1951, 52, 53, 71, 91, 94 and 99).
* They have several legendary players that have played for their organizations (i.e. Hall Of Famers like Walt Bellamy, Bill Bradley, Dave DeBusschere, Patrick Ewing, Walt Frazier, Harry Gallatin, Tom Gola, Jerry Lucas, Dick McGuire, Earl Monroe, Willis Reed and some guy named Phil Jackson).
* They're in what is regarded as the biggest market / city in the world.
* They're basketball culture outside of the Knicks (meaning New York in general) is the most expansive and well known in the country - possibly the world (Rucker Park, etc.)
* The Garden is still considered the mecca of basketball arenas. In that most players if given the choice would want to do well there rather than any other place (hence why Kobe's scoring binge there was such a big deal)

Just so you know history and legacy take place in more than the last 10 years of mismanaged futility.

There's more, but honestly, if you call yourself a basketball or an NBA fan you should know all or some (at the very least know that the Knicks are an important part of NBA history) of this.
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Posted August 11, 2010 - 11:49 PM

* They have won a championship or two; one in 1970 and one in 1972.
* They've made several Finals appearances (1951, 52, 53, 71, 91, 94 and 99).
* They have several legendary players that have played for their organizations (i.e. Hall Of Famers like Walt Bellamy, Bill Bradley, Dave DeBusschere, Patrick Ewing, Walt Frazier, Harry Gallatin, Tom Gola, Jerry Lucas, Dick McGuire, Earl Monroe, Willis Reed and some guy named Phil Jackson).
* They're in what is regarded as the biggest market / city in the world.
* They're basketball culture outside of the Knicks (meaning New York in general) is the most expansive and well known in the country - possibly the world (Rucker Park, etc.)
* The Garden is still considered the mecca of basketball arenas. In that most players if given the choice would want to do well there rather than any other place (hence why Kobe's scoring binge there was such a big deal)

Just so you know history and legacy take place in more than the last 10 years of mismanaged futility.

There's more, but honestly, if you call yourself a basketball or an NBA fan you should know all or some (at the very least know that the Knicks are an important part of NBA history) of this.



This.......and even though the Knicks have been straight trash for years having Basketball popular again in the NY metro area would be huge for the league economically. Especially since now all the biggest markets have become contenders.

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Posted August 12, 2010 - 04:26 AM

* They have won a championship or two; one in 1970 and one in 1972.
* They've made several Finals appearances (1951, 52, 53, 71, 91, 94 and 99).
* They have several legendary players that have played for their organizations (i.e. Hall Of Famers like Walt Bellamy, Bill Bradley, Dave DeBusschere, Patrick Ewing, Walt Frazier, Harry Gallatin, Tom Gola, Jerry Lucas, Dick McGuire, Earl Monroe, Willis Reed and some guy named Phil Jackson).
* They're in what is regarded as the biggest market / city in the world.
* They're basketball culture outside of the Knicks (meaning New York in general) is the most expansive and well known in the country - possibly the world (Rucker Park, etc.)
* The Garden is still considered the mecca of basketball arenas. In that most players if given the choice would want to do well there rather than any other place (hence why Kobe's scoring binge there was such a big deal)

Just so you know history and legacy take place in more than the last 10 years of mismanaged futility.

There's more, but honestly, if you call yourself a basketball or an NBA fan you should know all or some (at the very least know that the Knicks are an important part of NBA history) of this.


You're talking about things that have happened a long time ago: "Won ships in '70 and '72". So what? That's a long time ago and they've been garbage for a long time as well.

And yeh, we all know NY is a big market, but again...what does that have to do with winning ball games?

Knicks have been straight trash for years


My point exactly.

Pau Gasol is GONE


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Posted August 12, 2010 - 04:47 AM

cp3/melo/stat vs bron/wade/bosh

lets gooo

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Posted August 12, 2010 - 09:36 AM

So anything out of your time on Earth doesn't count towards a franchise's legacy?

Alright Windu.

Jeez. :hi:
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Posted August 12, 2010 - 05:24 PM

The NY opportunity may rely heavily on Amare staying healthy. It's possible that the best places for Carmelo, if he wants certain title opportunities may be Portland and Orlando.

Brandon Roy, LaMarcus Aldridge and if Greg Oden can make a real comeback, that could be a very strong team for many years. Its only weaker position, just happens to be SF.

Dwight Howard, Jameer Nelson, Rashard Lewis, Vince Carter's expiring contract, and some savvy roster maneuvering could open the door for Carmelo to join a team that has proven that it can reach the Finals. Another team that has an opening at SF.

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Posted August 17, 2010 - 12:38 PM

Sources: Carmelo Unlikely To Remain With Nuggets Past 10-11

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All signs continue to point toward the eventual divorce between Carmelo Anthony and the Denver Nuggets.

League sources say it is now a matter of when, not if, Anthony and the Nuggets will go their separate ways.

Anthony is weighing whether to sign a three-year, $65 million extension offered by the Nuggets. His dilemma, league sources say, is what affords him the best chance of continuing his career elsewhere. Anthony could sign with Denver and convince the team to then trade him. His other option would be to not sign the extension, thereby forcing the team to move him rather than risk losing him next summer as a free agent.

During his annual basketball camp in Colorado on Saturday, Anthony said he had no timetable on when he'll decide whether to sign the extension.

In either case, "he's going to make it real clear that he's not coming back," said one league source.

But both Nuggets owner Stan Kroenke and Anthony already are well aware that they don't have a future together, sources say. That became clear to Kroenke at a reception after Anthony's July 11 nuptials to La La Vasquez in Manhattan.

A series of toasts at the wedding reception, initiated by New Orleans Hornets guard Chris Paul, suggested Anthony leave Denver for the New York Knicks. Paul suggested it playfully, one source said, but subsequent guests -- including Knicks power forward Amare Stoudemire and Anthony's brother, Robert -- made the point more forcefully.

Then Kroenke stood up to give a toast and the room was filled with an awkward silence, one wedding guest said. Kroenke tried to make light of the situation by suggesting Paul could come to Denver but that elicited no response.

While Anthony stood and applauded Kroenke when he was recognized, he apparently did nothing to discourage or dismiss the suggestions that he should leave the Nuggets.

"There were other people saying, 'We're going to get you guys together,' but it doesn't become a runaway train if Melo says something," said one source. "Maybe he didn't perpetuate it, but tell people to stop or say, 'Stan, I'm sorry.' He didn't do any of that."

Paul has since met with Hornets management and appears less eager to leave New Orleans, but all the signals from Anthony are that he would like to be in a different uniform this season.

Wedding signals included.

Anthony's agent, Leon Rose, could not be reached for comment and the Nuggets declined to comment.


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Posted August 17, 2010 - 12:42 PM

Sources: Knicks Will Offer Gallinari In Package For Melo

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The Knicks are reportedly willing to trade Danilo Gallinari as the centerpiece of a package to acquire Carmelo Anthony.

During his Tuesday show on ESPN Radio in New York, Michael Kay cited sources in reporting that the Knicks will offer Gallinari, a future first-round pick and Eddy Curry in a bid to acquire Carmelo Anthony from Denver.

Curry's contract would be needed to work to make the trade work under the salary cap.

The next first-round pick the Knicks can trade is their 2014 selection.


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Posted August 17, 2010 - 12:49 PM

Report: Carmelo Could Force Trade To Knicks

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It seems more and more likely Carmelo Anthony will not sign a contract extension with the Nuggets, which likely will force the team to trade him, perhaps to the Knicks.

ESPN.com reported last night that Anthony is "going to make it real clear that he's not coming back" to Denver, according to an NBA source.

"Both Nuggets owner Stan Kroenke and Anthony already are well aware that they don't have a future together, sources say. That became clear to Kroenke at a reception after Anthony's July 11 (wedding) to La La Vasquez in Manhattan," the report says.

During the reception, Hornets guard Chris Paul and new Knicks forward Amar'e Stoudemire both mentioned in toasts that Anthony should join the Knicks. Anthony "apparently did nothing to discourage or dismiss the suggestions that he should leave the Nuggets," the report says.

Anthony, who grew up in Baltimore and played at Syracuse, could return to the East Coast in two ways: He could sign the three-year, $65 million extension the Nuggets have offered, then force the team to trade him. Or he could refuse to sign, leaving the Nuggets to trade him or receive nothing when he becomes a free agent after this season.

Either option could have Anthony in a Knicks uniform at the start of this season, or at the league's February trade deadline.

The Denver Post reports the Nuggets have maintained they will trade the high-scoring forward rather than lose him for nothing, and ESPN said, around the NBA, "The persistent belief is New York is where he wants to end up."

According to ESPN, the Knicks could offer Eddy Curry and his expiring contract to the Nuggets, along with players, in a trade.

Last week, Anthony said he had no timetable to sign the extension, a very lucrative deal considering the NBA's unstable labor situation heading into 2011-12. Other reports had those close to Anthony saying the Knicks are "perfect for him."

The Nuggets recently fired their basketball operations chief, Mark Warkentien, and could wait to hire front-office personnel before trading Anthony.

ESPN reports Anthony took a liking to Knicks coach Mike D'Antoni during the 2008 Olympics, where D'Antoni was an assistant coach for Team USA.

The Knicks signed only Stoudemire from a 2010 free agent class that included LeBron James and Chris Bosh, who both joined Miami, with their respective teams (Cleveland, Toronto) getting nothing in return.


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Posted August 17, 2010 - 02:14 PM

Magic and Knicks Atop Melo's Wish List

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CBSSports.com's Ken Berger brought news last week that Carmelo Anthony was angling for a move to New York, that the situation was (according to a close source to him), "perfect for him." Now ESPN's Ric Bucher has echoed that report, stating that Carmelo is "likely" to go , and that it is a question of when, not if, Anthony will depart the Nuggets. Denver fans are holding themselves to the same mantra we heard from Raptors fans last summer and Cleveland fans as recently as June, that no reports can be trusted and that their star player can't find a better situation than the one he's in now.

But the situation is gaining steam, not dying down. The Denver Post reports today that the Nuggets are starting to evaluate options in parting ways with Melo and getting some level of return. And it would appear those avenues are starting to open and become more varied as well.

Today KB reports the following to the F&R Blog via email in the evolving Melo-camp discussions:

Anthony's hesitation to sign a three-year, $65 million extension with the Nuggets goes beyond his desire to enjoy the major-market exposure and pressure that LeBron James and Dwyane Wade turned down this summer. Melo would accept other destinations as well, and the Magic are believed to be at the top of his list along with the Knicks, according to a person familiar with his strategy.

The exit strategy began taking shape last week, while Anthony was in New York for Nike's World Basketball Festival. It was then, according to the source, that Nuggets management was advised to begin exploring trade possibilities for Anthony to avoid losing him as a free agent and getting nothing in return. When Denver fills its vacant GM position, the likely choice, former Suns executive David Griffin, will inherit a crisis similar to the one he endured with Amar'e Stoudemire, who left the Suns for a five-year, $99.9 million deal with the Knicks.


The short-and-long? Melo wants out of Denver, and onto a title contender, and wants it now. Not in free agency. Now. And any questions as to whether that's the case don't need to be answered by off-record sources. The evidence and a little deductive logic speaks for itself.

The most prominent response from skeptics as to if this is really Melo's desire is "Why hasn't he just said so?" And the answer is pretty simple. He already has. Just because he hasn't publicly demanded a trade, costing himself fine money and damaging his image, doesn't mean the evidence isn't right there. There's a three-year, $65 million offer from the Nuggets just waiting for him to sign it. The lack of Carmelo's signature on the dotted line isn't in and of itself a declaration that the Nuggets are off the table. But if they were what he wanted, why not just sign it? The money's there. He's been there, has friends there. It's hard to believe the Nuggets are actually holding out in offering Anthony something he wants. Whatever he's looking for, they'll oblige.

So what's he waiting for?

It's the same question I asked myself last year as Cleveland fans repeatedly told me that James had no interest in leaving. That he loved Cleveland and there was no way he would depart, would abandon them. I always walked away from these exchanges with the same question.

"Okay, then, so why hasn't he? What's he waiting for?"

A simple public statement "I look forward to finishing my career in Cleveland." Or, "We'll sit down with Dan Gilbert and Danny Ferry and get to work on the deal . It may take some time, but it'll get done." He could have still entered free agency to maintain leverage to make sure he wasn't short-changed in any regard (who's going to short-change LeBron James?). All he had to do was make those kinds of public commitments and the media wouldn't have embarked on the 100-ring circus we set up. Don't put the goat in the exhibit and expect the T-Rex will stay out of sight.

And just as James never provided those kinds of assurances, always dancing around the subject, saying "We're going to go through the process" and "I love the fans in Cleveland," Anthony's embarked upon the same careful footwork. "There is no timeline" is the new "Cleveland has the edge." And the parallels don't stop there. The Cavaliers panicked when it looked like James was unhappy with Cavs management over their ability to build a roster around him, and fired head coach Mike Brown and came to a separation with Danny Ferry. Sound familiar? Denver dropped both Mark Warkentian and Rex Chapman, both of whom were held in high regard in NBA circles.

Oh, and who is Anthony's agent again?

Oh, that's right. Leon Rose. LeBron's agent and representative for CAA, which also employs William Wesley. If we were in the Matrix, the cat would have walked by twice by now and asked for the Nuggets to fly to New York to pitch Anthony using PowerPoint.

I'm not the first to say there's smoke in regards to this here fire. Chris Dempsey of the Denver Post laid out the remaining circumstantial evidence , including Anthony's sale of a Colorado estate and his East Coast upbringing (though Anthony was raised in Baltimore, he was born in New York; you're going to be hearing that fact about seven hundred zillion more times in the foreseeable future). But there's one more factor that seems to tie this whole mess of speculation and prediction together.

The discussion has been hard and heavy that Anthony's torn between the allure of a new team in free agency and wanting the financial security provided under this (presumably more player-favorable) CBA agreement. The idea was simple. Anthony wants the money, first and foremost, and for that he needs to stay in Denver. But that's only if he enters free agency. If Anthony were to be traded to a new team, that team could then extend him under the current CBA. And that feeds into the last connection between Anthony and the Miami Triad. The allure of getting everything you want, how you want it. With a trade, Anthony can find himself in a new location in title contention, and get the extension he wants. It's the best of all worlds.

The age of players having to simply accept their respective situations may be ending. If Carmelo Anthony can find a way to escape to a major market, joining a top team to contend and get the financial security of the current CBA, we'll have seen the latest manifest of the players' power in the modern NBA.

It's Denver's move. And how the next six months play out could speak volumes as to the fate of their franchise. It will also reaffirm the impact of what went on this summer in free agency, and how the landscape has changed.


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Denver Nuggets coach George Karl is hoping that all the talk about Carmelo Anthony being traded is just that.

Karl said he has not been told if the Nuggets will or won't deal Anthony, The Denver Post reported. Anthony still has a three-year, $65 million extension offer on the table, but has yet to sign it amid growing speculation that he wants out.

The Nuggets have held internal discussions about trading Anthony rather than letting him walk away as a free agent, but have not made a decision either way or talked to potential trade partners, two league sources said, according to the report. League sources have told ESPN The Magazine's Ric Bucher that it's now a matter of when, not if, Anthony and the Nuggets will part.

Karl said the NBA offseason often spawns what he calls "summer talk" -- and he's hoping that's all the speculation about Anthony turns out to be, according to the report.

"A lot of the summer talk never comes true. That's what I'm hoping is going to be the case with Melo," Karl said.

During his annual basketball camp in Colorado last week, Anthony said he had no timetable on when he'll decide whether to sign the extension. But a league source told Bucher that "[Anthony's] going to make it real clear that he's not coming back."

Like Anthony and several other Nuggets players, Karl is in the final year of his contract.

"The one thing I think there's a danger for everybody is that there are a lot of people on a one-year rope," Karl said, according to the report. "And I think that's somewhat dangerous; there's a lot of junk that goes with one-year ropes."


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