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Poll: Starting a Franchise: Dwyane Wade/Dwight Howard or LeBron James/Chris Bosh? (30 member(s) have cast votes)

Which players would you start a franchise with?

  1. Dwyane Wade and Dwight Howard (28 votes [93.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 93.33%

  2. LeBron James and Chris Bosh (2 votes [6.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.67%

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#1 ファイナルファンタジ

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Posted October 25, 2009 - 07:14 PM

Knowing what you know now, which two players would you pick to start your franchise with?

LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, and Chris Bosh were each selected in the 2003 NBA Draft, while Dwight Howard was selected in the 2004 NBA Draft.


LeBron has won an MVP (2008), been to the Finals once (2007), a 5x All-Star (2005-2009), led the league in scoring once (30.0 PPG, 2008), led the league in PER twice (29.1, 2008; 31.7, 2009), led the league in Offensive Win Shares once (13.7, 2009), and led the league in Win Shares once (20.3, 2009). He's been selected to the All-NBA 1st Team (2006, 2008, 2009), All-NBA 2nd Team (2005, 2007), and All-Defensive 1st Team (2009).


Chris Bosh has been a 4x All-Star (2006-2009), and been to the playoffs twice (2007, 2008). He's been selected to the All-NBA 2nd Team (2007).


Dwyane Wade has won 1 championship (2006), 1 Finals MVP (2006), a 5x All-Star (2005-2009), and led the league in scoring once (30.2 PPG, 2009). He's been selected to the All-NBA 1st Team (2009), All-NBA 2nd Team (2005, 2006), All-NBA 3rd Team (2007), and All-Defensive 2nd Team (2005, 2009).


Dwight Howard has been to the Finals once (2009), been a DPOY (2009), a 3x All-Star (2007-2009), led the league in off. rebounding (2009), def. rebounding (2008, 2009), and total rebounding (2006, 2007, 2008, 2009), led the league in blocks (2009), led the league in rebounds per game (2008, 2009), led the league in blocks per game (2009), led the league in Defensive Rating (2009), and led the league in Defensive Win Shares (2008, 2009). He's been selected to the All-NBA 1st Team (2008, 2009), All-NBA 3rd Team (2007), All-Defensive 1st Team (2009), and All-Defensive 2nd Team (2008).


With Dwyane Wade and Dwight Howard, you know you have a clutch performer in Wade especially in the fourth (where Dwight struggles with free throws). Wade and Dwight are excellent at drawing free throws, however Wade is sub-par while Dwight isn't exactly great either. Both have Finals experience and know how to play in the playoffs. Dwight is a defensive beast and can rebound and block shots. However, they don't have much range outside the mid-range to three-point line and have to depend on getting a majority of their points in the paint. Wade is a ball-dominant player but he's also a great passer too, where he can just lob to Dwight for an easy dunk since he hasn't developed much of a post game yet.


With LeBron James and Chris Bosh, you know you already have possibly the best player in the league. LeBron is capable of getting a triple double any night and can easily penetrate and finish. Both players are also excellent at getting to the free throw line where they excel at (LeBron is a sub-par free throw shooter while Bosh is good). They also have better range than Wade and Dwight so they can spread the floor out. LeBron is efficient in his game and an excellent passer and Bosh could get easy looks without always having to create his own shot. Bosh is also a type of player where he would flourish more as a second option (much like Pau with Kobe) and he wouldn't always have to have the pressure on him because he has LeBron drawing most of the attention.


Both picks are great choices and you probably can't go wrong with either. I haven't actually made my decision yet but I'll throw out this discussion so you guys can see it and talk about it. I'll get back to it later on though.

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Posted October 25, 2009 - 07:30 PM

Although LeBron is the best player out of the group both Wade and Howard are top 5 players and have led a team to the NBA finals and one winning a ring. Bosh is a liability on the defensive end and settles for way too many jump shots. With a combo of Wade/Howard you best the of both worlds.
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Posted October 25, 2009 - 07:36 PM

Wade and Dwight by the slightest of margains.

Both players have led their teams to the Finals, Wade has led his team to a ring. With that said, he's the only player of that group with a championship ring on his finger. I personally do not belieive that there is as big of a gap between him and LeBron as people make it out to be. He's an elite defender at the 2, he gets others involved and his offensive range and versatility have been improving since he entered the league. That, combined with the large difference (that I believe there is) between the 2-way abilities of Dwight and Bosh completes my reasoning.

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Posted October 25, 2009 - 07:47 PM

I also agree that the gap between Dwight and Bosh is much greater than the gap between Wade and LeBron. Also taking to account that I think LeBron and Bosh would last much longer (LeBron - 24 years old, Chris Bosh - 24 years old), while Wade and Dwight (Wade - 27 years old, Dwight - 23 years old). Wade has also missed games due to injury and has the greater injury history out of the four. However, Dwight has missed the least amount of games out of the four which might balance out Wade's missed games. I also feel like Wade is in his prime now, while LeBron, Bosh, and Dwight could probably get better. But since we're selecting based on what we know now, we can't just predict as easily. The safe choice is probably Wade/Dwight but with LeBron/Bosh you could possibly win more due to longevity.

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Posted October 25, 2009 - 08:07 PM

damn. lebron-wade is a tough decision. But Bosh-Howard is an easy one. I pick Wade-Howard.

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Posted October 25, 2009 - 08:34 PM

Wade + Howard is deadly, you got an unstoppable offense and an immovable defense.

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Posted October 25, 2009 - 08:34 PM

So I assume most people are choosing Wade/Dwight because of the talent disparity between Bosh and Dwight? No one feels that with Bosh accepting a lesser role to LeBron, he will have the same kind of impact as Kobe/Pau because the pressure is off of him and allows him to be a better second option rather than becoming the main option? Don't get me wrong, Wade and Dwight would kill as well, but I think the comparisons are fairly close despite Bosh being clearly inferior to Dwight.

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Posted October 25, 2009 - 08:45 PM

if im just starting a franchise, its LBJ...


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Posted October 25, 2009 - 09:31 PM

if im just starting a franchise, its LBJ...


Despite what Dwyane Wade and Dwight Howard have (and possibly could) accomplish?

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Posted October 25, 2009 - 09:37 PM


Despite what Dwyane Wade and Dwight Howard have (and possibly could) accomplish?

if i want to win, its dwight

if im just starting a franchise and want to sell tickets, its LBJ


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Posted October 25, 2009 - 09:43 PM

Def Wade+Howard, if only one player, I gotta go with LeBron.

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Posted October 25, 2009 - 10:16 PM

You guys do realize it's starting a franchise (as in a new organization) and you start out with Wade/Dwight OR LeBron/Bosh. You can't just pick one player then leave the other out. Maybe I was unclear in my first post?

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Posted October 25, 2009 - 10:21 PM

^ in that case

howard + wade in a heartbeat


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Posted October 26, 2009 - 11:44 AM

^ in that case

howard + wade in a heartbeat

Why in a heartbeat? Any reasons?

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Posted October 26, 2009 - 11:51 AM

Wade + Howard

One's won a Finals and the other beat the two remaining people on the list to get there.
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Posted October 26, 2009 - 12:01 PM

Way too easy. Come on... Defensive player of the year and one of the most prolific scorers in history? :rolleyes:

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Posted October 26, 2009 - 01:01 PM

Way too easy. Come on... Defensive player of the year and one of the most prolific scorers in history? :rolleyes:

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Posted October 26, 2009 - 01:03 PM

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Posted October 27, 2009 - 05:04 AM

I pick Wade/Howard tandem since both of them are proven players, though Howard choked big time in the finals, he was the leading anchor to Orlando's playoff run. His inside presence is game changing defensively. Wade on the other hand has been proven time and time again that he's clutch, more clutch than LeBron, but the tandem of LeBron/Bosh intrigues me, Bosh being the number 2 option would be great. LeBron hasn't played with an all-star caliber player like Bosh. But the thing is, defense wins rings. Bosh isn't that great in defense.

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Posted October 27, 2009 - 05:12 AM

wade and howard is like kobe and shaq v.2

bron and bosh is bron and boozer v.2 lol

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