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#61 Real Deal

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Posted June 18, 2009 - 05:55 PM

I can accept this logic.

However, the USA lost in the 2006 World Championship and the 2004 Olympics.

So for these years then, the NBA was not the best league in the world? Regardless of whether Kobe Bryant was playing or not.

It actually wasn't anything I was serious about. I think the NBA has always been the best league in the world, and I truly don't think it has ever been close.

In fact, I would've been willing to bet that the 2004 Olympics, and anything else for that matter, would've been entirely different if we had sent the right players over.

If Kobe Bryant was hurt all season next year (knock on wood), you couldn't suddenly say the Lakers won't be a contender for the 2010-11 season. That's not the way it works.

The NBA, including its players, would be the focus of any continent, basketball-wise, if that continent was given the opportunity. The league is going global for that very reason.

So, knowing that there is no true "World Champion" to beat, and that, technically, the Lakers would have to beat at least one elite team on every continent in the world (and the same goes for all of those teams), it should be no surprise why the NBA is considered the greatest basketball league on Earth, and why any team that tops the rest would be considered "World Champions."

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Posted June 18, 2009 - 05:56 PM

Question to any of you, have you seen at least 15 FULL European games this season?

If not, you shouldn't be posting in this thread because you will be ignorant on the subject.



I can accept this logic.

However, the USA lost in the 2006 World Championship and the 2004 Olympics.

So for these years then, the NBA was not the best league in the world? Regardless of whether Kobe Bryant was playing or not.

And I can't accept your terrible logic. The best players from other countries do not play against the best from our country and that counts as other countries being better than us? With that terrible logic, we could send Kwame Brown, Samaki Walker, Smush Parker, and bunch of other scrubs that are NBA players, and when they are beaten by Pau Gasol, Marc Gasol, Rudy Fernandez, and the rest of the Spain National Team, then that means Spain > U.S. :rolleyes:

Edited by daco_inc, June 18, 2009 - 05:57 PM.


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Posted June 18, 2009 - 05:59 PM

And I can't accept your terrible logic. The best players from other countries do not play against the best from our country and that counts as other countries being better than us? With that terrible logic, we could send Kwame Brown, Samaki Walker, Smush Parker, and bunch of other scrubs that are NBA players, and when they are beaten by Pau Gasol, Marc Gasol, Rudy Fernandez, and the rest of the Spain National Team, then that means Spain > U.S. :rolleyes:


But you didn't send those scrubs, you still sent some good players.

Please stop taking this the wrong way, I'm not saying the NBA isn't the best league in the world but automatically calling the best NBA team the "World Champions" is quite dumb in my eyes.
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Posted June 18, 2009 - 06:00 PM

Well you are right in that we didn't beat every team in the world. And arguing who would beat who is completely subjective.

But the reasoning behind "world champions" and the reason why I think it is not "stupid" is because the NBA (formerly NBL) is a conglomerated version of the first basketball league on the planet.

1898 The first professional league, the National Basketball League, is formed with six teams in New Jersey and Pennsylvania.

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They started doing this ALONG time ago. When we were the best basketball team in the world because we played in the only basketball league in the world. Its tradition. I for one don't take it literally.

Edited by A_V_R, June 18, 2009 - 06:00 PM.


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Posted June 18, 2009 - 06:00 PM

But you didn't send those scrubs, you still sent some good players.

Please stop taking this the wrong way, I'm not saying the NBA isn't the best league in the world but automatically calling the best NBA team the "World Champions" is quite dumb in my eyes.


OK. We get it.

Still not gonna change a damn thing, but I hope you enjoyed the attention! :yes: :rolleyes:

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Posted June 18, 2009 - 06:01 PM

I for one don't take it literally.


Judging by the posts in this thread, I think otherwise.

Edited by Darth Bynumite, June 18, 2009 - 06:02 PM.

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Posted June 18, 2009 - 06:01 PM

this is not supid.

Baseball does this too.

Have u ever heard of the World Series?
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Posted June 18, 2009 - 06:04 PM

I can accept this logic.

However, the USA lost in the 2006 World Championship and the 2004 Olympics.

So for these years then, the NBA was not the best league in the world? Regardless of whether Kobe Bryant was playing or not.


It doesn't matter that the U.S lost the 2006 World Championship. The champion was Spain.

Spain had NBA players Jorge Garbajosa, Juan Carlos Navarro, Pau Gasol, Jose Calderon and eventual NBA players Sergio Rodriguez, Marc Gasol, and Rudy Fernandez.

In the 2004 Olympics, Argentina won. They had NBA players Manu Ginobili, Andres Nocioni, Fabricio Oberto, and Luis Scola.

My point is that the NBA champions can be called the World Champions when most of the world's best international players are coming to play in the NBA.

Now if the NBA did not allow international players to come and play, then I would say the term "World Champions" would carry less meaning and there could be an argument made.

But when you look around the NBA and you see how much of an international flavor there is, you can definitely call teams World Champions, because its a league mixed with the best international and U.S players.

Edited by Westcoast21, June 18, 2009 - 06:05 PM.


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Posted June 18, 2009 - 06:06 PM

Stefi and I were just talking about this...how ironic.

Off topic but, DB PM me if you know when Woverhamton Wanderers became a team in the English premier league, never noticed them before.

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Posted June 18, 2009 - 06:07 PM

A few years back we lost b/c we didnt care, all the other countries play their hardest.

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Posted June 18, 2009 - 06:07 PM

Well there's a difference of opinion here. I think to be the World Champions you have to beat the WORLD.

You think being the Champions in "Your great nation" = being the World Champions.

Have I EVER denied the NBA is the best league? No. But as I've said before, to be WORLD champions, you have to beat the WORLD...in my opinion at least.
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Posted June 18, 2009 - 06:09 PM

The world's best competition is in the NBA plain and simple. If you took the NBA's best players (internationals included and played them against the best players from all the world's other leagues the outcome wouldn't even be close.

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Posted June 18, 2009 - 06:09 PM

Definitely sense the bitterness. Great nation? It has nothing to do with it being in the U.S.A., and everything to do with it being the best league with the best competition.

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Posted June 18, 2009 - 06:10 PM

Darth you ain't winning this one son :lol:

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Posted June 18, 2009 - 06:11 PM

Definitely sense the bitterness. Great nation? It has nothing to do with it being in the U.S.A., and everything to do with it being the best league with the best competition.


It's not bitterness, it's trying to put some sense into some people here.
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Posted June 18, 2009 - 06:12 PM

It's not bitterness, it's trying to put some sense into some people here.


There's definitely a problem if you think you're right and everyone else is wrong.



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Posted June 18, 2009 - 06:14 PM

There's definitely a problem if you think you're right and everyone else is wrong.


Because I am the only Euro posting here?

If you were the only American posting on a Euro Basketball board then I think the same could be said the other way round.
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Posted June 18, 2009 - 06:14 PM

It's common sense. The NBA is the BEST league in the world with the BEST competition. It's sensible that the best team in the best league in the world would probably be the best team in the world. Common sense.

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Posted June 18, 2009 - 06:14 PM

There's definitely a problem if you think you're right and everyone else is wrong.

I don't see a problem with him disagreeing. He has a point and the phrase has always been a little odd to me as well. I understand the logic behind it but still somewhat don't agree.
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Posted June 18, 2009 - 06:15 PM

As the truth starts to slooooowly reveal itself...

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