Long before the topic de jour came about, the Lakers Nation has debated the abilities of Kwame Brown amongst themselves. There was once a day when the crowd at Staples chanted “Kwame! Kwame!” Obviously, those days are long gone. Now the Lakers Nation is feuding back and forth about the appropriateness of booing a home player.

In the aftermath of Thursday night’s debacle chastising words came forth from fans in all four corners of the globe, the media pundits, and even from the Lakers themselves. This was to be expected. Contrary to prevailing wisdom, the boos to Kwame were also to be expected.

Let’s begin by stating the obvious. Caron Butler was a fan favorite and was our number two player in the 2005 season. We were a lottery team that year, but Caron’s inspired play made many of us fans feel hopeful. Then, Lakers management traded him for Kwame Brown. Having grown accustomed to shrewd trades by our management staff, many of us fans held out hope that Brown’s abilities would blossom for the Lakers.

When Kwame finally was able to start for the Lakers later that season, he seemed to play inspired and gave the Lakers an athletic boost at the post position that helped the Lakers into an extremely impressive late season run and subsequent 3 to 1 edge over the favored Suns.

However, earlier in the season, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar had offered to help Kwame Brown improve as a post player. Not seeing himself as a boring back to the basket type of a player, Kwame politely declined Kareem’s offer. Overlooking his legal trouble, Kwame ended the 2006 playoffs looking like a solid player. The fans were happy, the team was happy, and most importantly, Kwame was happy.

The Lakers had become the talk of the town once again. Though they managed to blow the 3 to 1 game lead over the Suns, most fans and pundits felt the Lakers would play fairly well. The coaching staff, however, heard Kwame profess that he had “never” worked on improving his skills in any off season; never, as in not only that summer, but no other previous summers either.

Though the Lakers were off to a hot start last season, a problem began to arise on the Lakers team. The fans noticed a complacent Smush Parker grow increasingly negative. Smush had regressed. When the team imploded, there wasn’t a lot of positives to discuss. The Lakers had too many players that never worked to improve their game, and Kwame was one of those players.

Fans across the world saw Kwame Brown cashing annual paychecks of over $9 million dollars, but they hardly ever saw a player that cared enough to improve his weaknesses. In the meantime, the former fan favorite, Caron Butler, became an All-Star in Washington. With this, a sour taste began to form in mouths across Lakers Nation.

After all the turmoil of this past off season, we were braced for the worst. Knowing that our only hope was an All-Star caliber season from our post player, we became elated when Andrew Bynum showed us exactly what we were missing. However, once Bynum went down with his injury, the Lakers Nation experienced a bad case of déjà vu.

We all know how last season’s injuries led to our demise. The likes of Smush Parker or Brian Cook were not enough to lift our team from the doldrums and into legitimate contention for something that actually meant something other than a first round embarrassment. Though those two particular players happen to be gone, their impact remains in the fan psyche.

Simply put, if the Lakers themselves cannot win a game, Lakers fans want to see players make strong efforts. Fans want to see players doing all they can to win. This would apply not only to a particular game they happen to be watching, but also to a member of our team. We want a player who will work to improve their shortcomings.

There’s no other way to say it, Kwame Brown has never done this.

Thursday’s game was more than just Thursday’s game. While it certainly had its playoff ramifications on the line since the winner of the game would have a decisive lead for the Western Conference’s top position, the very thing fans were watching closely was how well the team would play with Kwame Brown in the middle. In several games previously, and even before Kwame was injured by a flopping Ben Wallace, Kwame had shown further regression into mediocrity.

If there’s one thing Lakers fans cannot stand, it’s mediocre play stemming from mediocre effort.

If a player repeats the same mistakes for years on end with little care to improve those mistakes, the fans absolutely will turn on that player.

What happened Thursday was the culmination of Kwame Brown’s lackluster efforts as a Lakers player. This includes on the court performances, off the court behavior, and most importantly his lack of diligence to improve.

Conversely, fans appreciate the likes of Jordan Farmar and Andrew Bynum simply because they want to win so badly that they did all they could to improve over this past summer. Most of us look and marvel at the great improvement that can come from one simple off season of hard work. We then look at the several off seasons a player like Kwame has squandered and become outraged.

The boos on Kwame may not have been the best way to boost his performance. However, lacking the ability to interact with Kwame Brown or Lakers management directly, cheers or boos become the very feedback mechanism that’s integral for team success. In other words, when the fans in New York think Isiah Thomas ought to be fired, they boo. When Lakers fans were upset with Magic Johnson for requesting a trade that forced the coach to get fired, the fans booed him. When fans disagreed with Kobe’s off season tirade, they booed him the first chance they got. The crowd’s reaction serves as vital feedback for the players and management. There’s not too many ways to voice an opinion. When fans are upset about players who continually mail it in, they boo. Voicing their opinion is the necessary role of the fans.

On the opposite side of the coin, the players and coaches must create a positive atmosphere that allows everyone to perform at their best. When Kobe, Jordan, and Phil Jackson recently stood up for Kwame and simultaneously put down fans that boo, they were fulfilling their necessary role.

Thus, the fans have performed their obligation to their team: they booed like crazy. The players have performed their obligation to their team: they stood up like crazy.

The question is, will Kwame now use this opportunity?

Reports are now surfacing that Kwame showed up at practice early yesterday to work on his post play with coaching assistant Kareem Abdul-Jabbar.

From the sounds of it, fans across the nation ought to rejoice. Instead of bickering about when it’s okay to boo or not, the fans should realize that the boos serve a vital function. That function is not to build up Kwame, rather the function is give Kwame Brown necessary feedback. The feedback was said in plain bold letters: Work on your game, or get off of our team.

From the sounds of it, Kwame Brown heard the message loud and clear.

  • LakerNation1

    its now or never kwame, now…or…never. i look forward to see what can be whipped up after all this.

  • Odom the worst player

    I think Kwame can be an effective center if he would learn a couple of things; One not to rush his shot and the second thing is to pump fake. A person don’t have to be able to jump that high if he pump fakes. Look at Kevin Mchale he always used the pump fake. That’s why he never got his shot block. We are willing to give you another chance Kwame. Me personally I like Kwame. Go Kwame

  • T-Dub

    I think that was enough. Don’t blame Kwame, blame Mitch for extending him at 9mil…WTF was he thinking!

  • e

    i wonder if this just might make him any better

  • Frank

    I’m scared that he is going to “try” to show what he can do on monday and give even more turnovers. Then again he may just give a good effort and do ok.

  • drake hunter

    Great article and I totally agree but I think it’s been there done that judging from the last article with over 200 comments about Booing Kwame!

  • BEC

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    Seriously lets just move on already, its been enough. We’ll just see how he comes out on monday.

  • Phant0M

    good to hear hes working hard now

  • Tim-4-Show

    Phantom,
    You obviously got the whole point. Thanks.

  • Neo-Laker Era

    Great article. I’ve always believed Kwame has a lot of potential. As for the other article with 200+ comments, most of those were those babies arguing with each other lol. Several of them were also bashing a lot of other Laker-related things than Kwame. Anyway, Kwame knows his ultimatum now. I think he’ll pull through.

  • mr.laker19

    This article brought back some bad memories for me. I am pissed again. Just think if we had this line up.

    Fisher
    Kobe
    Caron
    Odom
    Bynum

    One word, CHAMPIONSHIP. You can argue thats the best starting lineup in the NBA along with the best bench and the best coach and all we had to do is stay away from Kwame Brown. The only way to make up for this mistake is to SHIP HIM OUT NOW!!! I have 0 faith in Kwame Brown. The Lakers will never win with him in the middle, period. See ya Brown. Peace.

  • ab4sure

    If you want to Boo go ahead and Boo. Just don’t boo him while he has the ball in his hands. Boo him when he is being substituted for but not when the guy has the ball in his hands and cause him to make a turnover. And definitely Don’t Spit on the Guy like Drake Hunter wants to do. Hopefully, Laker fans have more Class than that.

  • Tim-4-Show

    Kwame is finally doing what he could have/should have done long ago… he’s working to improve his game.

    Is it too little, too late?

    Well maybe, but for sure we can say working with KAJ won’t make him worse!

  • http://www.myspace.com/halloween_oc Viva Vegas

    I dont know .. LOL

  • Odom the best player ever

    Good article.

  • Mr. B-DAY

    championship starting 5:

    farmar
    sasha
    walton
    mihm
    madsen

    we need madsen and slava medvedeko back baddddly…

    if kwame doesnt improve we need to trade him for some people like madsen, or marko jaric possibly would be nice. chris kaman or andris biedrins would be nice. maybe michael doleac would be even better or scalabrine at least.

  • LakerNation1

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    better late than never i say…

    i always wanted to see the rise of Kwame Brown…can we finally see it this time???

    i hope

  • bc18

    working with kareem for one day isnt going to improve him a lot….BUT continously coming early to practice and working on his weaknesses will pay some dividends (maybe he’ll be able to at least catch a pass, or dunk/layup)

  • lakerguy

    WILL KWAME ALWAYS BE WORKING WITH KAREEM ABDUL JABBAR, IF YES THINK ABOUT TRADING HIM, IF NO TRADE HIM

  • http://letsgolakers.com Mr.81

    I’m glad that Kwame has chosen to work on his game and it shows that he finally, for once, wants to improve. I think we should now not boo him, as long as we hear he’s continuing to work – results won’t be instant. You have to understand that.

  • LakersFirst (Change) (Close)

    I’m not going to come to Kwame’s defense because he has proven to be a player that has not lived up to expectations BUT one thing the author of the article leaves out is that Kwame has a serious ankle injury in the middle of last season that required surgery in the offseason. For those of you who don’t remember, it came on New Years Eve when the Lakers played the 76ers at home. Andre Miller was driving in the lane, shot a floating shot that Kwame blocked, but unfortunately Kwame left foot (I think it was his left foot) came down on Miller’s foot resulting in a nasty ankle injury. To quote Kobe Bryant, “”Defensively is where Kwame really gives us a big charge, because he’s so versatile and quick and can cover a lot of small players.”

    Again, earlier this year, Kwame sprained his knee and that same surgically repaired ankle. For those who don’t remember, it was against Chicago, Kobe Bryant was driving into the lane and charged into a flopping Ben Wallace and Wallace came down on Kwame’s left knee and left ankle.

    Kwame was never that great to begin with but after that injury he is now performing worse than ever. He’s not mobile, he can’t jump, and he’s not as quick as he used to be. The ankle injuries to Mihm and Brown have been huge setbacks in their careers where neither will ever be the same.

  • foxxy

    COME ON KWAME,ITS TIME FOR YOU TO PUT OR AS STATED GET OF OUR TEAM….HAVENT YOU EVER HEARD HARD WORK PAYS OFF!!!!! COME ON SHOW US WHAT YOU REALLY GOT!!!!! NO MORE BULL-SH$$!!!!! BRING THE REAL!!!!

  • Ballin’08

    “From the sounds of it, fans across the nation ought to rejoice. Instead of bickering about when it’s okay to boo or not, the fans should realize that the boos serve a vital function. That function is not to build up Kwame, rather the function is give Kwame Brown necessary feedback. The feedback was said in plain bold letters: Work on your game, or get off of our team.

    From the sounds of it, Kwame Brown heard the message loud and clear.”

    That means the boos got the point across. For all the “your not a true Laker fan if you boo our player,” I mean look there’s nothing worse than when you as a fan want to win more than a player…Kwame needed a wake up call, to let him know that all the Lakers have worked for should not be in vain this season b/c of his lack of effort. Like I’ve said in other comments this was building up…He has had poor outings before, the Laker fans are now spoiled by winning and that’s fine…We’ve lost before…we get upset, we move forward…But it’s one thing to lose as a team it’s another to just not have your game show up, over and over again…We’re all entitled to be forgiven so if Kwame is trying to right his wrongs, let’s have his back…since he has decided to finally “try” and have ours….

  • http://www.mr47.com mr47

    What a well written article, good job Tim. Totally agree on this.

  • Tim-4-Show

    Yes, Kwame has had his fair share of injuries. I even mentioned in the article that he suffered one thanks to a flopping Ben Wallace.

    His injuries weren’t the issue. He already had a negative lenovo BEFORE he was hit by Wallace. It wasn’t so much this past off season, when he happened to work on his game by averaging 50 in his summer league play: NBA Live on Xbox…. it was more that in all the previous summers, he never once worked on his game, and he had admitted that to the coaching staff at one point.

    Still… maybe, just maybe this will be his wake up call. I don’t think the fans expect a miracle from him, they only ask that he cares and that he works to better himself. Because, unless you’re as good as Shaq, we are too fickle about our team to put up with a player that has a very big importance to our team but yet just cashes huge checks and throws fan’s cakes.

    Laughter aside, I’m cheering FOR Kwame to go out there and give his best, not only in games but in practice and maybe even more importantly before and after practice!

  • mplakers

    one of the best articles written on here!

    vlad, luke, and odom should have this article forwarded to them because they are definitely next in line to receive some “feedback”. i, too, am sick of watching overpaid athletes underperform and athletes who sign a big contract and then tail off in production ala vlad and luke.

    thank god smush parker is out of here because he is the penultimate example of what vlad,luke, and odom may become if they don’t show improvement or at least consistency.

    i was proud of the lakers nation fans for not sugar coating our feelings when we knew that enough was enough. we have patience (3 years for kwame) but, we also have a breaking point.

  • Reggie

    I will still continue to boo him. He finally shows up to practice early and ask for Kareems help when he is under the microscope. He only now wants to improve because he is embrassed. He only now wants to improve because he got booed. A weekend of extra work will not make-up for 6 previous offseason were he could have improved his game. When the season is over they need to let him go. I hope no other team picks him up, so he can realize the talent and opportunity he wasted.

  • ab4sure

    Who ever wrote this article…BOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!! Just kidding Tim, it actually was a well thought out article. One question though WHAT DO YOU THINK OF SPITTING ON A PLAYER???? lol

  • T-Dub

    I agree with mplakers…little league, high school, and college you support the KIDS no matter what. These are PRO athletes, grown a$$ men who get paid millions of dollars to perfect what they do. We have to at our jobs. If we don’t perform we get fired…so should they! That includes management! Mitch, Luke, Vlad, Lamar you’re next! I think basketball contracts should be like football, non-guaranteed. You don’t perform, you get CUT!

  • Tim-4-Show

    I would never spit on any person. That I would say for sure… well, I might think about it if I came across a Hitler or Osama Bin Laden, but we’re talking about basketball.

    I felt really sad for Kwame when it all went down. But if I were at the game, I probably would have joined in. I’m not saying it’s all good and rosie, but it certainly does send a message. Still, I FELT VERY BAD for Kwame. How could I not feel some compassion? Even though you can see my opinion in the matter, Kwame is still a human being, and even though he brought a lot of it on himself, it still hurts to see someone at their lowest…
    And that was Kwame at his lowest, at least, let’s hope so for all of our sakes!

    Come on Kwame, we WANT to cheer for you again!! We were happy that day we cheered the name Kwame! Kwame!

  • mplakers

    as much as i don’t like kwame right now, i think if you got close enough to spit on him, he can definitely kick your ass…so let’s just drop that idea….lol….

    i like that football non-guaranteed contract idea but, the players union in the nba is one of the strongest because it is a STAR-DRIVEN league unlike football which is more team-oriented.

  • lakaluva

    WOW!!! Kobe is a hypocrite of the highest order!!! Atleast the fans were not yelling “SHIP KWAME’S AZZ OUT!” Although they probably should have. Enough making excuses for his underachieving azz. I cant wait until the season is over and he is gone.

    Im not surprised at all with Kwame’s play, but Luke Walton has been a big disapointment so far with his career. He has yet to improve on any part of his game, and yet the fans give him a pass by yelling LUUUUUUUUKE whenever he makes a good pass or a three point shot. How do you go SCORELESS while playing all those minutes!!!

    The Lakers as a team should really look in the mirror and start asking themselves some questions. Like, are we dead in the water just because our 20 year old center went down? If we are that dependent upon Bynum then we are in serious trouble. Unlike most people, I think we should stand pat, and not make a trade or sign Webber. In the famous words of PJ, “let this team figure it out.” THE BLAZER DID WHEN THEIR YOUNG CENTER WENT DOWN!!!

  • Tim-4-Show

    It’s certainly fair to call Kobe a hypocrite, BUT as I said in the article, his job is different from that of the fans. He was doing the exact thing everyone wants him to do: build up the players around him.

    Kobe did his job this time. I personally feel the fans did their job (even though watching the poor man get booed did not feel very good). The way I see it, we’re all on the same page now, and Kwame is working out with the Captain!

  • SliqRiq

    mr.laker19
    Jan 20th, 2008 at 3:10 pm
    This article brought back some bad memories for me. I am pissed again. Just think if we had this line up.

    Fisher
    Kobe
    Caron
    Odom
    Bynum

    One word, CHAMPIONSHIP. You can argue thats the best starting lineup in the NBA along with the best bench and the best coach and all we had to do is stay away from Kwame Brown. The only way to make up for this mistake is to SHIP HIM OUT NOW!!! I have 0 faith in Kwame Brown. The Lakers will never win with him in the middle, period. See ya Brown. Peace.

    Thats just the way it is you win some you lose some, remember when we won trading Vlade for the draft rights to Kobe and even the trade for Kareem so before you start knocking Kwame and the MGT Staff just remember sometimes a new start for an individual such as Kwame might have paid dividends but unfortunately it didnt however with that being said we need Kwame when we play teams such SA or Houston or any team with a powerful inside game cuz at least he plays great post defense.

  • drake hunter

    ab4sure
    Jan 20th, 2008 at 3:21 pm
    If you want to Boo go ahead and Boo. Just don’t boo him while he has the ball in his hands. Boo him when he is being substituted for but not when the guy has the ball in his hands and cause him to make a turnover. And definitely Don’t Spit on the Guy like Drake Hunter wants to do. Hopefully, Laker fans have more Class than that.

    I love that ab4sure remembers everything I say on this website. Your comments really come from the heart and I love it. Not only am I the one who would still spit on Kwame, but if he walked past me on the street, I would walk behind him and pee on him as well. Thats what I think about him and thats what I think about your comments. If I was at the game and he was walking back to the locker room I would throw my garbarge at him while cheering for everyone else. Write a comment posting on that! LOL

  • ab4sure

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    Just another classy laker fan making another classy statement.

  • myriam

    It’s everybody’s choice, but the best thing we can do is support our players whether they played good and bad cause it’s our team. Everybody has an off nights, it happens to anybody.I think kwame deserves a second chance to prove his worth. But he needs to do it now or never. We cannot afford to loose another game.

  • wise1

    y would he decline being coached by one of the best players to ever play. I mean he did alsmost manage to score 40,000 points in his career! cut this guy from the lakers and get a d-leaguer in here at least we will see effort!

  • LakersFirst

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    All kidding aside, I think if you did any of those things to Kwame he’d beat the living f*ck out of you. Remember, he is 6’11, 270.

  • drake hunter

    LakersFirst
    Jan 20th, 2008 at 9:29 pm
    drake hunter on January 20, 2008 at 7:40 pm said:

    ab4sure
    Jan 20th, 2008 at 3:21 pm
    If you want to Boo go ahead and Boo. Just don’t boo him while he has the ball in his hands. Boo him when he is being substituted for but not when the guy has the ball in his hands and cause him to make a turnover. And definitely Don’t Spit on the Guy like Drake Hunter wants to do. Hopefully, Laker fans have more Class than that.

    I love that ab4sure remembers everything I say on this website. Your comments really come from the heart and I love it. Not only am I the one who would still spit on Kwame, but if he walked past me on the street, I would walk behind him and pee on him as well. Thats what I think about him and thats what I think about your comments. If I was at the game and he was walking back to the locker room I would throw my garbarge at him while cheering for everyone else. Write a comment posting on that! LOL

    All kidding aside, I think if you did any of those things to Kwame he’d beat the living f*ck out of you. Remember, he is 6′11, 270.

    Yeah I know but ab4sure takes me so seriously and he gets so offended by my remarks that I can’t help it. It gives me such a good laugh! LOL

  • ab4sure

    It is hard to take anything seriously from you given all the crap you have said in the past and are still saying today. Maybe you need to just come clean admit you were wrong here and give that apology to Mitch. I know you said you wouldn’t do that until kobe kissed Mitch’s ass or was it Bynum’s ass. One of the two. I think kobe’s saying this is a championship caliber team just like a kiss don’t you think?

    drake hunter
    Nov 14th, 2007 at 2:22 pm

    Its so funny when people on this website trip out and get angry when comments are made about trading Bynum. Bynum is the so called future with potential that he might never meet and Kobe is the great one who can lead us to a championship. Kobe is the present and he’s the cornerstone to the Lakers right now. Bynum is a project that is still progressing at a slow pace. You can’t have your player of the future “Bynum” who may never turn out to be what people think he will be to play on the same team when you have your present “Kobe” who can lead the Lakers to a championship. The team would be in dissaray. Are we rebuilding or playing for a championship? We make these trades not for the sake of Kobe, but for the sake of “WINNING NOW” because thats what it’s all about. Make JO a Laker and compete this season!!!

    Michael_23 you have made a very valid and excellent point. Why are we trying so desperately to invest in Bynum. Build around Kobe and if he walks in two years, Lebron, Wade, Bosh, and Melo are all available and I’m sure we could lure one of them. Bynum will never take us to the promise land, he’s just another pea in the pod. Why are we hanging onto our young guys with potential which I think is lame when I say we take a chance with JO. If it don’t work, sign Bynum “if” or when he’ll ever be good when he’s a free agent again. Steve Nash proved you can go home again and he had lots of potential to be Jason Kidds prodige when Phoenix drafted him and they still traded him. He has no ill will towards them. It’s like some laker fans on this website, I won’t name any names (AB4SURE) thinks we’ll die if we lose Bynum. Grow some marbles and take a chance with JO you freakin moron. I guess you didn’t get the memo. We can always get him later in free agency again or via trade, it doesn’t mean we lose him forever IDIOT! If I’m not mistaken superstars are being dealt left and right these days. If he ever becomes a star, it doesn’t mean he’s untouchable either. Let some other team suffer through Bynums growing pains and “IF” he ever becomes a dominant force in this league, I’m sure the Lakers will come calling. **FYI**…I’m a stupid GM with BALLZ to make a move to see if it improves the team and not sit around and then say the team is improving and Bynum played good but we still have an L in the loss column!!!…If we trade for JO and we still suck, talk all the SHT you want on me. Until then you ain’t no prophet so stop trying to predict what will happen if me make this move or that move cause you don’t know SHT.

  • Rpoc

    ab4sure, I think you need to come clean and kiss Jim Buss on the ass. All your arguments center around Bynum and that’s thanks to Buss. He is the reason he is a Laker. Stop running around the blog preaching that Mitch is the godsend for keeping Bynum when it was Jim Buss’ credit that he is here. You can also thank him for the type of drafts the Lakers have been having. Ever since they drafted Bynum they have been a roll in drafting. A sweet coincidence don’t ‘cha think? Before that it was all role player draft picks.

  • Rpoc

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    It certainly a good laugh if I must say so myself. I doubt he really blames Mitch all that much deep inside for the blunders despite what he says. And his chess piece in his argument doesn’t even belong to Mitch.

  • ab4sure

    Rpoc, like you said “now burst emotionally” hahahahhahahahaha

  • Rpoc

    [Comment ID #23107 Will Be Quoted Here]
    See what I mean. Other users see it like me. You take things to heart and it’s not good for your health.

    Now you’re not even arguing properly. You have erupted emotionally.

  • LEADERFISH

    Like him or not, we need Kwame tonight. Hopefully he will help us get a victory.

  • jagjr10

    Kwame is a joke! Kareem offered to help him work on his game and declined! get rid of the lame duck.

  • LakersFirst

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    Drake – You don’t think saying that you’d spit on a player or p*ss on a player is taking it a little too far? I mean it’s Kwame Brown not OJ Simpson (Kwame didn’t murder anybody). I do agree with AB4Sure, saying things like “I’d spit on a player or p*ss on a player is classless”.

  • LakersFirst

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    Now why are you saying drafting and keeping Bynum was Jim Buss’ idea? He is NOT the GM of Basketball for the Lakers. Mitch is the reason why Bynum is STILL a Laker. After all the b*tching from Kobe last season, after all the crying from over 90% of the people on this blog that wanted Bynum traded, Mitch is the ONE who stuck to his guns and kept Bynum. Other GM’s, and coaches, in the league have even praised Mitch for not giving in and for keeping Bynum.

    You’re crazy if you think Jim Buss is the reason for the good draft picks. Jim Buss knows absolutely nothing about basketball talent as he has never played the game nor was he ever a GM of basketball.

  • Lakers 24 7

    Very well said, I expect Kwame to be a good post-player come playoff time, he should work on his game if he wants to retire as an NBA player, cuz if he continues playing like this, we wont give him an extension and after the contract has expired, which team would pick up a lazy no good player.

  • Thomas

    The fact that Andrew Bynum and Jordan Farmar became this good over one, ONE!, offseason and Kwame doesn’t work at all and declined to learn to play the post from Kareem Abdul-Jabbar? No way if the guy was good enough to come out of highschool into the NBA, why wouldn’t you work your hardest to stay. This guy is about two years away from not playing in the NBA. He needs to get his act together and start playing hard and apologize to Kareem and get him to teach him some moves in the post. Look what it did to Andrew Bynum!!! Why wouldn’t you want that??

  • T-Dub

    I guess Lakersfirst and ab4sure are gonna go to war with anyone in any topic who says anything bad about Mitch Kupcake. They both have to be on his payroll…IT WAS MITCH! IT WAS MITCH! DON’T SAY ANYTHING BAD ABOUT MY MITCH! I LOVE HIM!!! LOL…LOL…LOL………….

  • ab4sure

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    Let it go Dub…Let it go… YOu are becoming Dub the downer.

  • T-Dub

    Don’t you people see..the arguing and bickering on this blog is what makes it fun!. It would be soo dry and boring if everyone were holding hands singing KUUM-BI-YA my lord. Everyone has there opinion and its hilarious to watch the 2 buttbuddies( Lakersfirst and ab4sure ) fight with everyone! I LOVE IT!!!!

  • ab4sure

    Dub your a downer and a cancer. I just hope you don’t metastasize. Those who follow you become like you. I like the way you have to parade for votes for yourself “don’t you people see”. Your pathetic.

  • LakersFirst

    T-DubSh*t – HE IS NOT A LAKERS FAN, HE NEVER HAS BEEN ONE (even though he claims to have liked them since the 80’s – what complete bullsh*t) NOR WILL HE EVER BE ONE!! All he knows how to do is b*tch, and complain like a little girl. When the Lakers were winning, he would still trash the Laker team (last time I checked, even bandwagon Laker fans supported them when they were winning, He didn’t even do that).

    My enjoyment from this site is destroying your ridiculous comments with proof and facts that the Lakers have a good team. I am going to reply to EVERY ridiculous comment that you make to make sure that you don’t educate anyone with you’re bitter Laker feelings. I have destroyed every comment that you have made and I will continue to do so.

    T-DubSh*t IS NOT A LAKER FAN!!

  • T-Dub

    Lakersfirst…I knew you were gay! The way you follow me around. I LIKE WOMEN! As for AB, you’re absolutely right. I think I’ve proved my point about Mitch. I’m done with him. We have what we have at this point. Get ready for a long season and summer!

  • BEC

    Its funny but why does every thread on this site turn into a Lakersfirst/ab4sure vs. t-dub/drakehhuner argument or lack of? Haha

  • ab4sure

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    Yes BEC… all arguments end up in a Right vs Wrong argument. As in Bynum right JO wrong. BTW didn’t i just read JO might sit out the rest of the year.

  • ab4sure

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    Damn, you acting like a guy who just got such a bad beat down I am afraid to look. I am just hoping a good samaritan walks by and picks you up.

  • Rpoc

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    It is entertaining he keeps track of every single post on this site. Maybe it’s time for a restraining order.

  • ab4sure

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    Well, here comes your rescuing angel…..hahhahahahhahhaahha rotfl!!!!!

  • T-Dub

    Ab4sure…Beatdown? you guys still haven’t done anything. Yoy keep using the same lame a$$ argument. It’s boring…so I’m watching the Atlanta Hawks play. They need a point guard and a shooter badly! how about:

    Critt/ Vladrad for Josh Smith and filler..?????

  • Rpoc

    All they can do is self-declared victories. Or playing the victim role for poor Mitch to gather sympathy from other users.

  • LakersFirst

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    Yea I beat T-DubSh*ts ass down. What can I say, but then again when he makes ridiculous comments, it’s not very difficult to do. I have proved that he’s not a Laker fan and that he never has anything positive to say about the Lakers. How can he claim to be a Laker fan when he relishes in a Laker loss and he thinks the entire team is garbage?

    T-DubSh*t – I’m still laughing at your proposed trade for Zach Randolph. LOL!!

    BTW – Keep in mind Josh Smith is a restricted free agent after this year so if the Lakers were to do your proposed trade, they could lose him after this season (a team, under the salary cap may offer him more than the Lakers) so if he were to sign elsewhere after this year, the Lakers would be left with … the filler.

  • ab4sure

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    hahahhahaah…I am still laughing at rpoc trying to rescue you…hahahha ok I will settle down(rpoc will like that word) what kind of trade is that??? That is a Dingleberry trade!!! Atlanta never does that. what a stupid trade…. The hawks have Acie Law..remember… they passed on Critt in the draft why would they trade for him now? Plus, Smith is helping the hawks have a decent record now and Critt won’t help for another year or so. The hawks are giving up their number one to the suns next year why would they want to trade Smith now have give up a better number one pick? See T-Dub there is a reason why your not GM material. You don’t know what constitutes a fair trade.

  • T-Dub

    I we could get Josh in a trade, he would still be restricted meaning we could match…

    Fish/Farmar
    Kobe/Ariza
    Josh/Luke
    Lamar/Turiaf
    Bynum/?????

    Remember the Hawks did’nt extend him this past offseason. Their may be some animosity there. Come on Mitch, go after Josh!

  • RoWyN

    WoW! How one-sided is this article? BOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

  • Rpoc

    He’s obviously baiting you guys. Anybody can see that. Spending this much time and energy responding to them is what he wants and it’s sad you don’t realize that. But I can’t deny it’s more entertainment.

  • Rpoc

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    Laughing hysterically now. I think I have accomplished what I wanted from you. *thumbs up*

  • T-Dub

    ab4sure…you really don’t know sh*t! The Hawks have 3 SF…Smith, Williams and Childress. We need a sf.. Acie Law doesn’t even play.. So, maybe we give Farmar and our 1st rnd pick. Either way they are loaded at that position and we are weak. we have shooters, they dont…Something can be done!

  • ab4sure

    Rpoc, stands on the sideline…why? because he already received his beatdown. I admire you for being the good samaritan though. It shows you have a heart, just not a brain.

  • LakersFirst

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    T-Dub – I like it, you’re finally thinking!! You’re trade proposal isn’t bad, because you want to get out of the VladRad contract but AB4Sure could be right, Atlanta may not go for that, but then again (you never know)…they will have acquired a young Java Crittenton who could help them at the PG in the future (Java would like it because he would get immediate playing time and be in Georgia, where he went to school).

    You’re right, the Lakers could match should J. Smith get another offer from another team, however, the other team may bid so high, that the Lakers could choose not to match (remember the Lakers are still over the salary cap and have a need to resign Bynum and Turiaf at the end of the year), so the Lakers could lose Josh Smith and have nothing left to show in that trade (and the Lakers would’ve lost Java in that trade). Trades are a gamble, Minimize the risk/loss.

    Earlier today, in the Chicago tribune that there was a trade that suggested that the Lakers should be interested in Ben Wallace and give up Kwame and Radman, which does make sense. The writer states the Kobe wanted to play with Wallace and the Lakers did have an interest in Wallace at the beginning of the year with all those nasty Kobe trade rumors. Wallace’s contract isn’t as scary at JO’s because Wallace has 2 years totaling $28M whereas JO has 2 years totaling $44M. The Lakers do have a need for a defensive big and getting something for Kwame’s expiring $9M contract and getting out of the Radman contract may not be bad. http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/cs-080120samsmith,1,7040229.column

  • Rpoc

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    Are you sure you’re not talking about yourself? Considering you track posts and argue with every single one of them. That shows heart but not brains.

    At least LakersFirst has it together better emotionally than you.

  • T-Dub

    I actually like the Wallace trade…Anything has to be better than what Kwame did the other night, and 2 years of Vladrad not being on the court!

  • Fish Guy

    LakersFirst:

    I was going to post the same article. I hope there’s some substance to it. I feel that it’d be a GREAT Move for the ‘Show’.

  • Rpoc

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    Getting out of Vlad’s contract is ideal in the long run. I believe he has a player option in the 2010/11 season. But I don’t see Buss paying Ben Wallace for that contract.

    And with Ariza down the Lakers need him back anyway. Luke is the only SF right now. So these things put that kind of trade down. You also have to wonder if Chicago really wants Vlad. I bet they have an eye on the 2010/11 season too.

  • Rpoc

    Well, unless they decided to Ruben Patterson to fill the SF void on a 10-day contract. And reiterating if Buss is willing to pay for a Wallace who’s practically done and undersized. Luxury tax issues to deal with.

  • ab4sure

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    Farmar makes more sense, but he also is the engine of our second unit. Lakers probably do it but Atlanta wouldn’t do it because they view Smith as the best of the three.. he is the one with Super star potential. They would want to trade another sf.

  • LakersFirst

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    Personally, i wouldn’t give up either Farmar or Java. Both those players are off limits unless they are for a superstar, and I don’t consider Josh Smith a superstar. If the Lakers have trade baits, they are:

    Kwame (obvious)
    Radman (someone wouldn’t mind his contract)
    Walton (hard to move but I think he can play when healthy)
    LO (as I said in the past, LO’s Laker future will be decided this off season when he’s entering in the final year of his contract).

  • ab4sure

    As far as wallace, his usefulness is extremely limited. He would just be a back-up center whose day has passed. He can’t play with Bynum. We would have to take on a contract for the next 3 years counting this year. They need to throw in Noah for us to do that. They would get cap relief where they would be a player in Free agency. I don’t think they would throw in Noah though.

  • T-Dub

    Yeah…but Josh wanted a extension and they didn’t do it for a reason…maybe they’re still having financial and management problems! Time to go in for the kill when they’re weak. I know they would love to have a 1st rnd pick since the Suns owns theirs.

  • LakersFirst

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    They probably didn’t give Josh Smith an extension because they know he’s a restricted free agent. The Hawks probably want to see what his market value really is by letting other teams make a bid for him. The Hawks do have a few small forward-like players so they can this gamble. It’s like the Lakers with Turiaf. He’s a restricted free agent at the end of this year. Other teams may make a bid for him, then the Lakers will know for sure what the league thinks of his value.

    Sasha is also a restricted free agent, but may take the Lakers qualifying offer for next year. From what I understand, if Sasha were to take the Lakers qualifying offer, which is like $3M (something like that), then after next year, he becomes an unrestricted free agent. If he declines the qualifying offer, he’s a restricted free agent, which is currently the case. The Lakers are probably hoping that he stays a restricted FA so they see what the rest of the league values him at.

  • DCLAKER

    Since everyone is bickering and demanding certain players be traded,let me throw out a name that would cause havoc in the NBA to the point where NO ONE WILL WANT TO PLAY THE LAKERS.SAMUEL DALEMBERT!!! You won’t have to worry about BOOS from this dude,fo sho.

  • LakersFirst (Change) (Close)

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    As I asked in another post, why would Philadelphia want to give up Dalembert? He’s their best rebounder and starting center.

  • DCLAKER

    I’m just wishful thinking.You figure once Bynum went down who else would be a compliment to him since we don’t have a backup? So I started thinking,WHO? HHHHMMMMMM…….Dalembert!!! The FO needs to take a chance now that we’re not getting better and Kwame will not be the answer,he’s just not A CHAMPIONSHIP READY CENTER,NO WAY! I saw you pick Jamal Magloire,no disrespect but again,NO WAY! I know they need more experience but Jamal wouldn’t even look right in a Laker uniform(now I think about it Dalembert probably wouldn’t either but a better player)plus he doesn’t run the floor good,Lakers are more like a conservative version of the Suns,THEY THINK BEFORE THEY SHOOT,BANG(DAMN!I LUV DISSING THE MOONS,I MEAN THE CLOUDS,OOPS,SUNS,AMARE SUCKS)!Whoelse is there that would fit well with the Lakers even when AB GETS BACK(THAT KID HAS REALLY MADE ME A BELEIVER IN THE LAKERS CHANCES AT SOME RINGS).

  • DCLAKER

    I meant to say ‘we’re not getting WEBBER’in that last paragraph.