The Lakers faced their first realistic Finals opponent of the season and gave Lakers Nation the one gift you can’t return: a disappointing loss on Christmas Day.

The Lakers started the game well by scoring the first 6 points of the game, but it quickly vanished as they just couldn’t get it together defensively. They got destroyed by the Cavaliers pick and roll pretty much the whole game, and allowed them to shoot an ugly 60% from the field in the first half.

Offensively, the Lakers weren’t much better. Pau and Bynum couldn’t get much going down low and our bench “stench” was nonexistent. Most of their scoring was from Kobe and Ron, but a lot of it was them going one on one and that wasn’t very efficient.

It seemed like the Lakers were in the ears of the referees the entire game. There were a few questionable calls, but at the end of the day, had they put half the energy they put into their defense as they did complaining, the outcome may have been a little different.

To let you go, I’d like to wish Lakers Nation a Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays from the entire TLN staff; and I’d like to remind you all it’s just one game and there’s a rematch we all have to look forward to on January 21st, 2010.

Player of the Game: Kobe came close to a triple double with 35 points, 9 rebounds, 8 assists, 2 steals, and a perfect 12-12 from the line. Oh, and about 100 profanities to the referees.

Play of the Game: There weren’t very many highlight plays this game. Kobe had a nice up and under layup late in the game, but that’s about it.

What’s Up Next: The Lakers travel to Sacramento to play the Kings tomorrow night. I predict them to bounce back with a relatively easy win.

  • KB24ForLife

    i already hate the first sentence.
    “realistic finals opponent.”
    you think we’re gonna get to the finals playing like that?

    • LC09

      boi wtf u sayin we aint goin to da finals??? hahaha u stupid its one game..we still goin to da finals n winnin it if u dont believe that ur not a laker fan n u can go fu k urself

      • KB24ForLife

        i said “PLAYING LIKE THAT”
        if we PLAY LIKE THAT… we’re not going to go to the finals. do you comprehend the sentence?
        IF WE “PLAY LIKE WE DID TODAY”

      • Ulric

        Wow! Classy statement. Just about as classy as the Lakers fans throwing crap on the court. Typical. You guys even riot when you win a championship!

        • LO-suckshisown

          KB24, I back you bro! I feel the exact same way. If they play like crap there is no way in hell they make it to the finals. And if I was at the game and paid that much to see the Lakers play as they did – I’d throw do do on the floor too!! They get paid millions and can’t bring it every game?? Freaking pussies!!! I can’t stand when they give up – was game 6 all over again.

        • http://LakersNation LOL

          hey that was as classy as queen james dancing during games…

    • http://facebook.com/jaimeq Jaime Quintanilla

      One bad game. We are still favored in the West, sir. Don’t you think?

      • KB24ForLife

        i said “PLAYING LIKE THAT”
        if we PLAY LIKE THAT… we’re not going to go to the finals. do you comprehend the sentence?
        IF WE “PLAY LIKE WE DID TODAY”…

      • LakersMike31

        Maybe. Denver seems to be slipping, but they match up so well with the Lakers.

    • http://LakersNation Marwan..

      We are, but then again, I wanna be favored in the NBA, not just the west. You can be favored in the west, and not make it all the way. Knowing the media, they will be like “Lebron got the best of the matchup and he is now conisidered the best player, better than Kobe”. Blah Blah Blah. I’m not getting anywhere near ESPN or NBA.com today. Look they will probably keep the pages up til tomorrow, and watch, years later, they will reflect on this, whereas when Lakers beat then-defending champs, Celtics, it was a one-and-done thing, they put the page up once and thats it, no one mentions it again.

      • LC09

        lol kb if we like that yes we still goin to da finals but we wont win it bid difference

    • FAKERS FOREVER!!!

      What a joke….fakers schedule. They are 6-5 against teams .500 or over. If well rested fakers can not beat cavaliers at home, how would fakers win it all? And what a scene from a crowd…booing, throwing, and early exiting(as usual). Fakers fans are not the great fans. Everybody knows.
      Go down fakers foreever….hell!!!!

      • http://LakersNation Drama Boy

        Hahaha, you crack me up, please right more of these jokes, Im sure Katt Williams can use some of these jokes.

        • FAKERS FOREVER!!!

          This is exactly what I mean by a stupid faker fan. He does not get it. I feel sad for this kind of faker fan. P.S. ‘Right?’ Not ‘Write?’ Why don’t your check your spelling before you post yours?

          • FAKERS FOREVER!!!

            What a moron!!! Drama Boy ? hahahha

          • http://LakersNation Drama Boy

            It the nickname yo momma gave me cause I cause drama in bed with her…

  • Marwan

    They only had 1 finals appearance and they were swept by an aging Spurs team. With Boston and Orlando in the East, getting to the Finals will be hard for the Cavs.
    On the other hand, its not easy for Lakers to make it to the Finals either, with Denver in the west.
    Oh well, the Cavs played well. Kobe had the right to swear all he want, he was being hammered and no fouls. He posts up and its a charge. Lebron drives in, and a phantom foul on Shannon. It was disgusting today.

  • 09champs!

    Pau? Drew? Lamar? Were they in the arena?

    • papa

      andrew= smush of the day

  • drive-for-16th

    They got lost in L.A somewhere. When was the last time Odom came to play.

    • http://LakersNation Marwan..

      Doesnt LO show up when it really matters? Today didnt. Finals does. So as long as he shows up in WCF and Finals, Im ok with what he doest from now til then.

  • poop

    wow!!! i h8 lebron, im gonna go take a poop now

    • http://LakersNation Drama Boy

      +1. You see how he tries to be a leader when DFish fouls Mo and Lebron comes over angry, pick on someone your own size Lebron. Trying to be a tough guy to DFish. Didnt you see what the dude did to Scola? He aint someone to be messed with.
      When the fans threw the foam fingers on the court, he gathers them up and says “Play the game, play it to the end” uhhh…. Lebron, what do you think they were doing. The cameras were on him so he decided to show off and try to show what a leader he is. Artest slowed him down but the fouls Lebron drew thanks to the refs, got him the points he had. With Artest on him, Lebron only had 5 field goals.
      Lebron, most overrated player in the history of the NBA. I lost respect for him. If he played fair, without the help of the refs, and if he doesnt dance and act like a fool during games, and he still had the stats he has now, Id have alot of respect for him and classify him as one of the top 5 players today, wit Kobe, Garnett, Melo, DWade. But now, its all gone.

      • deviate

        You’re a dumbass.

        • lakeshow2010

          actually you’re a dumbass

      • you’re retarded

        I don’t care much for him as a person, but you’re 100 percent off base saying he’s overrated. The guy’s a BEAST. I’m a KOBE fan, but you’ve got to give the guy respect as a player. Its not his fault the refs suck. He was just playing the game. I’m pissed as hell about today’s game, but its the refs fault as well as the Lakers just plain playing poorly. I dislike him as a person and I think he’s not at all like he portrays himself to be (as displayed in the loss to Orlando last year), but Lebron is one hell of a good player and he’s certainly not overrated. You sound like a Kobe hater hating on KB24 the way you’re talking about Lebron, and we all know how lame Kobe haters are…

        • http://LakersNation Drama Boy

          I never said that I dont respect his game, I hate him as a person too, but that guy just pisses me off. The person side of him. Because the player side of him determines what the person is like. Get it? He is good at the game therefore he thinks hes all that. Proof? Last season before he won the MVP, he was walking around the streets with an “MVP” T-Shirt. Come on now, is that called for?

        • Trades needed

          LBJ is a beeatch!!!! I can’t stand him!!!!

  • The Mamba24

    It was just a bad game. Kinda like the Dallas game where we got whooped in our own building. No worries though, the Lakers had bad games last year and look what happened at the end of the season.

  • Robert

    “Keeping up with the Lakers”. Episode 21, Lakers party on Christmas Day. Have fun and laughs, but forget to show up for the game. What game?
    What’s disappointing is that the Lakers couldn’t use their ‘greatness’ to overcome the Cavs. Isn’t this Lakers team supposed to be one of the best ever? Doesn’t seem like it.
    Is Kobe’s 4th ring good enough for him? If we (I mean, Lakers) keep losing games like this, we’ll (I mean, Kupchak will) have to make a trade (or make a move) soon.
    Where’s the friggin’ “Eye of the Tiger”? Get Apollo Creed – he can train the Lakers to get the title.

  • mambafan

    dont get me wrong, gasol has been playing great, but damn… get paid huge $$$$ this week, then forget how to play today. merry x-mas laker fans

  • drive-for-16th

    These kind of losses should motivate us more to keep playing and keeping our heads together even though the refs are on the other teams side, we shouldn’t let this get to us, this is more important to lebron than it is to kobe, he doesn’t need to prove shit to noone, thats why he has 4 rings ya’ll. Lets beat their ass on their court next time in january and Boston. And yes we need to make trades yall, i cant bear to watch and listen to everyone saying our bench is shitty. We need help from the bench, vujacic and them have no heart!!!!!!

    • LO-suckshisown

      Yes – freaking trades are in order!!!!

  • http://www.jackyang.info Jack Y.

    I think the two days off did bad things to Lakers. They were too relaxed with Christmas playing at home. It just didn’t seem like their mind was there.

  • Robert

    The Lakers have lost to Denver, Houston, Dallas, and the Cavs — all good teams (Houston is maybe on the borderline). They seem to be flipping around – they used to lose to mediocre teams, and show up for big games like this one. I’m a little concerned about this.
    I know it’s still early in the season, and just one game. But they’re going to start changing the puppet commercials soon, if the Lakers don’t start winning big games.

    • http://LakersNation Drama Boy

      WHAT? Change puppet commercials? No way, come on, Lakers have a better record than Cavs and Kobe has been playing better than Lebron and Lebron isnt taken off the MVP Commercials. If they take Kobe off the commercials cause of a few losses (2-3) then you know that Nike is riding Lebron’s coattail.
      Utah should be listed. They have 13 losses at home in the past 2 seasons. As long as we have a better record on the road than at home, then Im fine with it. Anyone can win at home, its takes alot to win on the road. By the way, we have 3 home losses. Last year we had 5 for the whole year. We had 12 road losses too. If we wanna maintain a similar record to last year, Lakers better step up and Mitch, please solve the bench problem without giving up too much, i.e. Brown and Odom.

  • lakerfaninfl

    tommorrows game isnt a giveme either ..tyreke evans at point is a beast…

  • thanhttrinh

    @Robert: ur right but commercials dont mean shyt to me, even what nba, espn talking about, because of they all our haters so this is a good opportunity to showing us like Lebron is better then KObe, my asshole
    we should not care what they say, commercials, medias, crap talking, no one knows the Lakers than ourselves, it seemed like we defeated ourselves
    @WArman: i’ve heard some bandwagoners this afternoon ealier said the trade of Odom, i agree what u said, 1 game doesnt say shyt, we still have games to come and let the time explains how important Odom is

  • http://youtube.com/MvpGoesToKobe LakersNewDynasty08

    Refs were a big reason but we also didnt play well. Its okay lakernation we’ll bounce back.
    Merry Christmas guys.

    • http://LakersNation Drama Boy

      +10000 about the refs.

      • LakersMike31

        I’m a Lakers fan, but they just got bullied last night. Most of the time when they get punched in the mouth, they curl up and die. They did this in the Denver game earlier this year, too. As much as we want to think the Lakers have improved their toughness, they haven’t. As soon as someone gets physical with them, they start crying. If I were there yesterday, I would have wanted to throw stuff at our own bench. Lakers are 1-3 against teams with single digits in the loss column (ESPN). Three of them were blowouts. Not a good sign fellas. It’s not just one game..it’s starting to become a trend. The Lakers are not showing up for big games.

  • http://LakersNation Drama Boy

    This should wake up the Lakers. This is a wake up call saying “Wake up, you are the defending champs, you shouldnt lose to teams like these, especially at home”. Watch, they will destroy the Kings.

    • Trades needed

      As big a Laker fan that I am – I’m not so sure. Last year we played down to the competition but at least we played up for the big games. Now the Lakers just play down all the time.

  • Jim

    It seemed like everytime we started to mount a rally, somebody on the Cav’s would drain a back breaking 3 to bring us back down to reality. I hate losing, but I really hate losing to Shaq.

  • LAKESHOW420

    OUR BENCH IS TERRIBLE!!!! WE REALLY NEED TO GET RID OF SASHA ASAP!! Farmar making too many bad decisions with the ball, Bynum and Pau forgot to show up to the game today

  • LAKESHOW420

    Lakers have yet to beat a quality opponent, lost to houston, dallas, cleveland, utah…. all playoff type teams. This better be a wake up for the lakers

  • Josh in D 310

    Lebron is a Big little bitch! Hate his style and he’s totally over hyped. When KB retires, this guy is going to be the crap that the media is going to force feed us. Lebron this, Lebron that. Its ok though bcuz #24 is always on top of #23..

  • thanhttrinh

    @ ya all: the trade would be coming soon, remember last year after we beat boston on Xmas day and around Jan, Mr. Mitch made some trades just like what we did to radmanovic to get Shannon and Adam
    one again i would like to say: Farmar, Adam, Sasha better will be gone at the end of Jan or mid-feb

    • LAKESHOW420

      I REALLY HOPE SO, our bench is pathetic

      • LO-suckshisown

        We will never repeat with this pathetic bench.

  • http://lakersnation.com some guy named Marwan

    I hate Varejao the most today and wtf happened to Odom, got blocked by varejao?

    • http://LakersNation LOL

      i think he got ejected so he could go do yo momma

  • Robert

    I’m wondering if we should seriously consider what Donaghy said in his book. I don’t believe that he’s the ‘only ref’ that may have played favorites during officiating (although, perhaps for gambling reasons). But he mentioned that other refs play favorites, and change games (for whatever reason).
    They were definitely out for Kobe today, who got whacked quite a bit. And let LeSteamRoller run past everyone with fouls to spare. Snaq must have paid them off.
    Anyway, the Lakers looked like they were fumbling around, and were trying hard but were coming up short. I know this is one game, but it is with one of the top teams in the league. The Lakers have not fared well against the top teams. This is disconcerting – I would say this is one of 4 or 5 games, in which they came up short against elite teams, so it’s NOT just one game.
    The only good thing is that there are no injuries now, and maybe they are saving their juice for playoffs. Could it be that?

  • http://lakersnation.com Varejao17

    Fuck the Lakers!, Cavs are the best and we showed you guys today.

    • http://LakersNation Drama Boy

      The best, yet you lack rings…

      • KB24ForLife

        lol

    • DramaBoyownedyour@$$

      hahaha drama boy just served you right troll boy.

      • Jim

        Game, Set and Match Dramaboy.

  • Anthony

    I find it funny that there is never any criticism of Kobe on this website. He shot way too much today today. I don’t blame this loss on him, but I do think that he — as our leader — should have done much better to get everyone else involved and then get himself going.

    When we’re losing like that in any game I gotta wonder what Kobe is thinking about. He never looks to be pushy or urgent, but mostly calm and relaxed.

    Besides Kobe I think just about everyone had a horrid game. Pau didn’t play his game, Bynum played weak against an old man, Ron was eh and took some poor shots, Fisher shows more of his age and the bench was just disgusting tonight.

    Once again though, it’s one frigging game Lakers Nation. I understand that championship teams don’t play this way and none of us want to watch our favorite team play this way, but they did and now have to find that hunger. For if they don’t, we won’t be getting more hardware this season. That team in green, on the other hand, will.

  • thanhttrinh

    @Varejao17: great job dog !

  • drive-for-16th

    i gotta agree with anthony a lil bit on this, our bench is crap, useless bunch of bitches who are just eating away the money their getting paid, 10 million alone for vujabrick and morrison. Other teams know how to beat us now and that is to attack our bench which i swear to me is the top 10 worst benches in the NBA for sure, don’t even disagree, ya’ll know it too. Odom fuck him got his money and now giving us crap off the bench, All our losses are against elite teams and Houston. Doesn’t that tell us something that other elite teams beat the crap out of us, and wat is our excuse “they played harder then us, they had more energy” why the fuk don’t we play hard enough thats becoming a excuse for everything so far and we havent even played that many elite teams yet. all our wins are vs. average teams. Anthony is right we might not get another ring this year if were gonna keep this shit up. Big blame goes to our bench, if they don’t wanna contribute then why the fuk does mitch have those tools in a purple and gold, they don’t deserve to wear that jersey, especially, vujacic, farmar and morrison, morrison and vujacic equal to 10MILLION $$$$$ FOR NOTHING. GET RID OF THESE FAGS, MITCH WAT U WAITING FOR CHRISTMAS? OH IM SORRY THATS TODAY.

    • http://lakersnation.com Lebrick

      If Mitch paid me 100 G’s, I’ll average more than Vujacic and Farmar a game.

  • Brian Shaw

    i think we need to make a trade to bolster our bench.
    Today’s game showed yet again our bench just does not stack up against the contenders. At a point in the game, the cavs were outscoring the Lakers bench 19-2. Jamario Moon singlehandedly almost outscored the entire bench today. perhaps we should go after a shooter or go for that deal granny waiters suggested which was trading Sasha, Farmar, and Morrison for Tyrus thomas and Kirk Hinrich or hell even go after Nate Robinson. Our bench is in desperate need of some kind of offensive lift. Neither Odom nor Farmar (who i think are the two key leaders of the bench) have done a good job running the offense when the starters are off the floor. Maybe when Luke eventually returns the bench might improve but still i think a trade like this could really help us in the long run against the the contenders (Denver, Boston, Cleveland, and Orlando) which all have better benches.

  • thanhttrinh

    got a loss game to be prepare and review what we did, take care of business, rebuild the team, make some trades would be much more better, this was a lession to remember, its like u get a L game to wake up yourself
    i would agree with Mr. 16th because of we’re the champs so everyteam plays hard with more energy to against us, then they all know kinda our bench is suck and they understand how to play the game, they have paid attention at our bench, ur right !

  • LAKESHOW420

    Give me 50 G’s a year and i will put up better numbers than vujacic. ATTENTION MITCH KUPCHAK STOP WASTING 10 million a year on Sasha and Morrison who play a combined 2 minutes a game. They are GARBAGE

  • BringDFishBack

    I fully expected this to be 90% about how horrible the officiating was and how that was the reason the Lakers lost. Thank you for pointing out the fact that had they put in as much energy into competing as they did complaining, it would have been a different outcome.

  • daboss1848

    rofl – “pay me this, pay me that, and i’ll do this and that”

    get to the big show b4 u talk all that smack on players on a team your supposed to be a fan of . . .

    more room on the bus for me once all these bandwagoners clear out.

  • iamthetie

    I don’t blame the refs necessarily, but Cleveland took advantage of every borderline call all game by scoring on a shot (lucky or not) and really stifling the momentum we built.

    I’m fine with the loss, mainly because the loss hits fans and players the same bad way. We’re a good team, but we can’t get overconfident. The bench isn’t bringing anything when they enter the game and hopefully this is a reality check for them–the goal is to play well as a unit, not individually.

    Props to Kobe for playing his heart out. If they would have whistled half of the borderline calls in his favor, he would have only had about 25 shots instead of 32.

  • http://LakersNation Drama Boy

    This loss doesnt change the ring ount guys. Thats whats important, the ring count. At the end of the day,
    Lakers = 15
    Cavs = 0
    Thats gotta say something. Plus today wasnt about Kobe and Lebron, it was about Lakers and Cavs nad if you’re gonna say that Lebron is better cause of today’s win. the Cavs beat Lakers, not Lebron beat Kobe. Check Kobe’s stats and compare them to Lebron’s then be the judge.

    • KB24ForLife

      I’m not going to say that the ring count isn’t important, but our count won’t go up if we keep playing like that :(
      you feel me?

  • lakers0828

    Trade bench for a Better Bench

  • Robert

    Phil complained about the refs at 1/2 time, but yes folks, it wasn’t all about the refs and the bad calls. Also, last year the Lakers learned to ‘play through’ the bad calls. The Finals of 2008 were tainted with ‘bad calls’ against the Lakers, and non calls when the Celdicks would foul the Lakers. So, the Lakers had to play through that in the following year, and win a Championship. They have to do it again this year. Refs or no refs, the Lakers have to dominate.
    They have the best starting 5 in the league. They need the supporting cast to fill in the gaps.
    Do we recall if there are 13 players on the roster? If so, then I think Kupchak should get 2 players by Feb., and then release the ‘non-factors’. Trades might be more difficult (who wants the Lakers role players?) But after the year is over, and we win the Championship, it’s easy to let go a few non-factors.

  • Jim

    Guys, it was clear that we played the first team that can actually match up with our twin towers line up. Shaq , Z and Varejao almost completely neutralized Bynum, Pau and Odom. Shaq’s bulk threw Bynum out of his zone and Z’s height prevented Pau from shooting over the top in the paint. This is not a team that we want to play in the finals.

    They played with total composure, thwarting every comeback attempt we threw at ‘em, while we played tight, nervous and frustrated. I agree that the officiating was terrible, but if our guys came ready to play, that wouldn’t have been a factor.

    We have alot of talent on this team, why is it that whenever we play an elite team, everybody defers to Kobe? He’s absolutely the best player in the game, but why do we always make him try to win the game all by himself? IMO, Pau, Bynum ,Artest and Odom have to be much more aggresive offensively. These are all guys that have the potential to put up 17 to 20 points a night on a consistent basis.

    This afternoon, with the exception of Artest, these guys looked like they were scared to even look at the basket. This didn’t look like a seasoned veteran team that had just won the title last june. Very dissapointing and disconcerting.

    • Fireball

      Very nice analysis. You bring up some valid points.

      • Jim

        Thanks Fireball, I just looked at the stats again, Kobe shot 32 of the teams 85 shots and took more that 3 times as many shots as Pau and Artest who were next highest with 11.

        With the firepower that we have on this team, that should never happen. Our ball movement was horrible today, and alot of that was because our guys looked like they wanted to give the ball to Kobe and get out of the way.

        I hope that Mitch can work some magic before the trade deadline and get somebody that can give us some points off the bench. Lamar by his own admission looks to pass first, Farmer seems to disappear against the stronger teams, Shannon for the most part was a non factor and Sasha’s head is so screwed up that I don’t think he’ll ever be able to play the game like he did in 2008.

        Of course Luke is still injured, but he’s not gonna provide any offense off the bench as far as putting the ball in the hole, he’s a great passer, intelligent player, adequate defensively, but I think his size and lack of athleticism limit him to being nothing more than a role player.

        It’s hard to believe that with the exception of Shannon, this is the same group of players that we used to call the bench mob 2 years ago when they used to come in and extend on leads.

    • http://LakersNation Drama boy

      Nice points… but bad officiating trumps coming ready to play any day. Kobe was ready to play, although his FG% was poor, its cause he drove in on Shaq, huge mismatch. Anyway, he was posting up, getting positon and the whistle goes off for a charge. Lebron drives in and1 with a phantom foul on Shannon.
      I love Shannon though (no homo) cause he didnt complain about it. He knows that once the ref blows his whistle, its done, he cant reverse it. Although there were bogus calls on him. Man if I was playing, and he called a bogus call on me towards the end of the game, I swear I wouldve went up to him and told him “What the FK are you seeing out there, you are rigging the game you asshole”, he gives me a tech foul or 2 techs and I get ejected, I would crack him in the face and then I would walk out. I wouldve been so relieved, whether it would be a win or a loss. Just the feeling…

      • KB24ForLife

        HAHAHHAHAHAH lolol
        <3

  • Fireball

    I mostly agree with those who say it’s just one game. I remember being frustrated the exact same way last year, especially in the playoffs. Not to say there isn’t room for improvement. The cavs came in with a nice game plan, and the Lakers have been given too much hype as of late. People wanna crown them 1/4 of the way through. Pau getting banged like that was not fun to see. I never could understand why people would say our bench is one of the best. Maybe we should trade Lamar. I love Lamar and his versatility, and would not mind one bit if we keep him. But many of his talents I don’t think are necessary for our team, especially w/ ron ron on our team. Plus, I don’t think we can get much out of a trade for vujacic, farmar, and morrison. If we can, then great. But maybe we’d be better off keeping farmar, dropping ammo’s exp contract for a pure shooter (maybe include farmar to get calderon?) and trade Lamar for Joakim Noah. Not sure if we’d have to give up more for noah, but odom addresses a huge need for chicago as well.

    • http://LakersNation Drama boy

      Some parts I agree with you, other parts I dont. What I agree on is that its just one game and about the bench problem. What I dont agree on is that Lakers should trade Odom… for Noah. There is only one Lamar in the league and this guy plays all 5 positions. I believe that Phil was planning to have a rotation that sends LO to the PG, Kobe SG, Ron Ron SF, Pau PF and Drew C. Although he isnt producing now, wait for the playoffs. Odom didnt produce in the regular season last year too so dont panic, you see how he destroyed the Magic. He knew he was close to a ring so he picked up and played like the versatile Odom he is. About Noah, the Bulls wouldnt let Noah and/or Rose go. The 2 players are staying with Chicago for a long time. Besides, Odom is more versatile when he shows up.
      Calderon has the same problem as Sasha, but Calderon is more injury prone than Sasha, so I say we keep Sasha in tha situation. Probably signing Ray Allen in next year’s free agent market? When Ammo’s contract is up. He is aging, but he can still shoot, and given the open looks from the double teams to Kobe and Pau…

      • Fireball

        I would love to have Ray Allen on our team. We have to get something out of ammo before he expires though (or sign and trade, but who would do that?), because we’re over the cap. You’re right, Calderon is injury prone, although I think he’s leaps and bounds ahead of Sasha. And yeah, I’m not 100% on trading Lamar or anything. I love Lamar and his versatility. But we don’t necessarily need him as pt forward now that we have Ron, and we could really use a proven, solid body against Cleveland and Boston. I believe that Noah’s strengths fill in more of our weaknesses than Lamar’s, even if he can do more. That’s why I think it would be a perfect trade, since Lamar can do so much more for the less offensively talented Bulls squad, and Noah is a force downlow who always brings his energy. You’re probably right about him being untradable, but with the right package…the bulls ARE almost in panic mode right now.

  • LakersGal

    uggghhhhhhhh

    • http://lakersnation.com Lebrick

      Can I eat your pussy to make you happy?

  • thanhttrinh

    Ray Allen ? are you kidding me ?

    • http://lakersnation.com Lebrick

      vietnamese

    • http://LakersNation Drama boy

      Are there any other choices though. Look at it this way, the guy can shoot lights out, he is a decent clutch shooter and if he is given open looks from Kobe’s and Pau’s double teams, almost 95% he’d knock them down (3′s that is, 2 pt shots he will get 100%). At this point, without making a trade, I think that Ray Ray will be the best Lakers can do from next year’s free agent market considering that stars like Lebron adn Dwade will be the first to go. Ray ray will likely be the 10th to go, considering the other players in the FA Market. He is the pure shooter Lakers need, and he is a great veteran, hes been in alot of situations and knows how to handle them. Although he is a Celtics player, he is one you’d love to have on your team. He is a classy player too, he doesnt showboat… so no, I’m not kidding.

    • Robert

      Well known fact: Kobe hates Ray (and vice-versa) . Kobe didn’t really hate Ron-Ron; just competed with him. Now they’re teammates, and homies. But there’s a serious feud between Kobe and & Ray Allen – no way will Kobe let him on this team.

  • laTIMES

    people keep saying we keep losing to quality teams but the dallas, denver, and houston losses all came WITHOUT gasol in the lineup. TEchnically with all our guys healthy weve only lost TWO games guys so while it seems terrible after todays loss we shouldnt get too worried.

    Todays game was just embarrassing and frustrating. PAU BYNUM and LAMAR decided not to show up and left kobe by himself. Yes he took a lot of shots but a lot were blocked and put backs and i dont blame him for taking a lot of shots-he was the only one TRYING to win (artest played well too but damn his free throwing shooting).

    This was more of a “luck” game; If cleveland can get this type of performance with MOON banking threes in to sum up the night then….wow (I highly doubt it).

    AND finally the BENCH….do i even need say anything? Lukes absence has hurt but we really need to make upgrades. We lucked out last season but its obviously not going well so far. It’s RIDICULOUS that kobe cant get a break until after 3 quarters against an elite team (that in itself shows that phil doesnt trust out bench guys). WE need to have a steady and consistent rotation and our starting five is going to wear out come june if this continues.

    HASn’t anyone noticed how we have struggled to get over the century mark multiple times this season when we were one of the best scoring teams last season (i think the bench is part of the reason. we were outscored 19-2 at one point).

    In summation if our guys try and play hard were unbeatable (that and if we get better bench contribution). I know we make a big deal wen we lose but its hard not to with the potential of this team. I’ve yet to be satisfied with a solid laker performance but hopefully that’ll change soon.

    SActown-i feel bad for you….Cleveland
    Well SEE you JAN 21 (right after we beat orlando again)…

    • Fireball

      Huh. None of us even considered that Pau wasn’t with us those games. Actually makes me feel better.

      • LakersMike31

        Like it matters…Pau rarely shows when guys rough him up. He’s still too soft…

  • Robert

    Lakers are not gonna trade Odom, or any of the top five (and a few others too). Yes, this is just one game. In a playoff situation, for the ’2nd’ game, Phil would adjust and we would defeat the Cavs. It was mentioned that the Cavs worked the Lakers throught pic & roll, which is the usual way to cause trouble for the Lakers. Also, match ups. the Cavs are different from last year’s gang. Snaq makes them a little bigger inside. But Snaq won’t have as much juice at playoffs time.
    We’re prob. not gonna meet up with the Cavs in the playoffs – it looks like the Celdicks are the target.
    Our bigger problem is getting through Denver. We can handle any team in the West, with no problem, except for Denver. It will be a tough playoff series with them.

    • http://LakersNation Drama boy

      Wait, we lost AT Denver this year AND last year’s season. But in the playoffs, we took game 3 AT Denver, and eliminated them in game 6 AT Denver by 27 (something Lakers couldnt do which is win AT Denver) and this year we lost AT Denver too. My point is, Lakers are a completely different team in the playoffs. We also got swept by Magic last season but in the playoffs, we blew them out first game, and got rid of them the 2nd game. Not to mention we had 2 straight road wins AT Magic and eliminated them with a blowout win.

      • Robert

        Yes, good point. I didn’t say the Lakers would lose to Denver, just that Denver is a bigger problem in the West this year. And, Denver is a better team this year (they have that rookie, Ty something or other, and Carmelo is hell bent on being the scoring champ this year). Also, I don’t see any other team in the West competing on that level with the Lakers – they can handle Utah, Houston, Suns, etc. Portland & Spurs are non-factors, so we’re all set in the West (except for Denver, which will be a challenge, but we’ll beat them).

  • Jim

    Thanks Fireball, I just looked at the stats again, Kobe shot 32 of the teams 85 shots and took more that 3 times as many shots as Pau and Artest who were next highest with 11.

    With the firepower that we have on this team, that should never happen. Our ball movement was horrible today, and alot of that was because our guys looked like they wanted to give the ball to Kobe and get out of the way.

    I hope that Mitch can work some magic before the trade deadline and get somebody that can give us some points off the bench. Lamar by his own admission looks to pass first, Farmer seems to disappear against the stronger teams, Shannon for the most part was a non factor and Sasha’s head is so screwed up that I don’t think he’ll ever be able to play the game like he did in 2008.

    Of course Luke is still injured, but he’s not gonna provide any offense off the bench as far as putting the ball in the hole, he’s a great passer, intelligent player, adequate defensively, but I think his size and lack of athleticism limit him to being nothing more than a role player.

    It’s hard to believe that with the exception of Shannon, this is the same group of players that we used to call the bench mob 2 years ago when they used to come in and extend on leads.

  • thanhttrinh

    trade Odom ? dont u think hes the only one who can play 5 positions ? im not sure what if bynum or gasol would be injury and who will be the next player on the bench would fit in the line up ? dont u think about what happened last year on the long road trip when Odom stepped up to help Lakers pass the elite teams. Dont u think when he plays well the Lakers have never lose
    my point is this Odom didnt show up how important he is, the end of the day, we will relize his valuable

    • Jim

      Yeah, ultimately, I don’t think that trading Lamar is the answer. I think he needs to be in attack mode more offensively. He’s the only 6-10 guy I know that can bring the ball upcourt, hit the 3 which draws the opposing power forward out of rebounding position, or take the bigger slower guys off the dribble and take it to the rack.

      Hell, he averaged 17 points a game 2 separate years with the Clippers and the Heat. He’s got the tools to score if he puts his mind to it, He should be the main guy to put points on the board for us off the bench.

  • thanhttrinh

    @Drama Boy: i absolutely agree with u, thats why i told u guys, dont u remember how we lost to Magic and got swept series in regular season, then how we swept houston 4-0 also in regular season then had to close them out in game 7 ? i mean nothing is guarantee at this point at playoffs’ point
    then someone said we should make a trade, its ok, i agree with our bench’s prob but hey, the thing is not broken so why would you change it ? we’re still in the first half of the season
    meanwhile remember when we won couple games against the elite teams last year like Boston, Cavs, Denver, Farmar, Odom had stepped up to contributed to the Lakers
    dont you think when u make a trade, it has to be fit to Mr. Phil’s system and u have to teach them how to play a triangle offense, it takes more time to do that kinda stuff and im not sure that will be like Ammo’s situation like this time, i dont know
    peace, whatever it takes, still a die hard laker fan

  • Gino

    very disgusting game. such a poor game from all aspects and sad that it happened at home on christmas. with a loss like this it’s hard to point at only one thing that caused problems, but it seems like the inability to for the team to make solid post entry passes was really killing the team. the passes were not crisp, people couldn’t hold their position, spacing was terrible, and the indecision on which side of the floor to attack all killed the team. this probably led to their desperation to go at it one-on-one, but it was so painful to see how things worked so well in the first 5 minutes, and then for some odd reason forget that the rest of the way through the game. the bench looks almost destined to maneuvered around. its problems and reliance on the starters will need to be resolved one way or another. farmar seems to be focusing on dribbling the ball too much while getting himself trapped in awkward situations. crisp cuts, paying attention to the open man, and just running the offense will be more effective than running iso’s incessantly. all-in-all it just seems like the Lakers too the Cavs for granted and just decided that they weren’t worthy of as much preparation as they needed when they played the Celts or Suns previously.

  • some guy

    REFS = THE GRINCHES WHO STOLE CHRISTMAS

  • Jim

    It was really amazing to see how ineffective Pau was after Z came into the game, I was really hoping that he would knock down a couple of 15 to 18 foot jumpers so that he and Shaq couldn’t pack the paint. It was obvious that his usual post game wasn’t gonna work against his height, so why not take him outside and open up the lane for some guard penetration?

  • Kobe|mvp

    Why don’t we get nate robinson. Hes better than our whole bench.

  • Bynumb the Dumb Lazy Bum

    What a f@ckin ridiculous game?!? Granted the refs were terrible, but the Lakers came out flat playing too much one on one and outside shoots. There wasn’t enough ball rotation and guys moving. However, I am most disappointed in ByNUMB. His young age is no longer an excuse. He’s been in the league and the Lakers for a number of years now, and this much is absolutely true:
    - ByNUMB is LAZY on defense and rebounding..he does not put in the effort to go after rebounds, box out guys, hustle back on transition defense. He does NOT do this for an entire game and throughout the season.
    - He puts more effort and energy into scoring, because his goal is selfish…to be an all-star. His thinking is completely wrong. He thinks by being this good scorer and ignoring everything else, he will be an all-star. He’s a terrible shooter and post-up player who always bricking the shot, resulting in fast breaks by opponents. AND HE DOESN’T HUSTLE BACK.

    We don’t need ByNUMB to be a scorer. We have better scorers in Kobe, Pau, Artest, before ByNUMB. CLEARLY, ByNUMB does not understand or has not embraced his role and primary tasks, which are defense and rebounding. Phil has been taking him at times during the games, because he fails miserably on his defensive rotations. ByNUMB, why da F@CK are you double teaming a guard way beyond the 3 point line and letting Shaq run freely to the basket. ByNUMB is F@CKIN DUMB PIECE OF SH!T, who is completely overrated. If it weren’t for the many other talented players on this squad, ByNUMB would be a 2nd string player on another team. ByNUMB is a F@CKIN lazy a$$ turd who lacks brains and heart. PUT ODOM BACK INTO THE STARTING LINEUP OVER BYNUMB!

    • Bench Sucks

      Agree 100% Actually, LO is a POS too right now. Back to his old self of not showing up. I’m sick of these clowns laughing on the sideline while getting their asses kicked at home. Fu%$ing ridiculous sh$%!!!!

      Bynum is a lazy piece of crap and Pau (yes plays great against losing teams) has also decided to become a freaking girl again. When is he going to become a man and kick some ass?

      Kobe is truly the only one with heart on this team. the others freaking give up and I absolutely can’t stand that.

      We need to trade Bynum’s lazy ass for Noah and Heinrick – they play with heart and go after every ball. Bynum is too concerned about the stupid meaningless all star game. If he just blocked shots and became a rebounding machine this team would be unstoppable – but his stupidity won’t allow him to realize we don’t need him to score.

      Bench – freak they should be put into the wheel of torture and then rolled around. (that one with spikes on the inside)

      Boston will kick their ass if Lakers continue to play this way.

      • Bynumb the Dumb Lazy Bum

        Yeah, that irritates me too about some of the guys (like piece of sh!t ByNUMB) just laughing it up on the sidelines as they are getting their a$$es kicked up and down the floor. Piece of Sh!t LAZY F@ck ByNUMB doesn’t even realize how badly he’s been playing. Even SHAQ was diving and hitting the floor for loose balls, and SHAQ was challenging shots and getting his body on people.

        • Trades needed

          Yea – I don’t know why some are such fans of Bynum POS. At this age he should be running the floor every play! He doesn’t block out, he doesn’t rebound like DHoward. He should be skying up and ripping the rebounds away from everyone. But no – he wants to shoot the ball and be lazy. Bench his ass already! I’d rather see them trade him for someone who can shoot a reliable 3 and get a big who plays tough D and rebounds. Just because he’s tall don’t mean sh$# if you don’t hustle.

          • LeHype

            You would be stupid to trade him now. YOu probably wanted to trade him for Jason Kidd too. Don’t be an idiot.

  • kindsir

    I thought it was nice for the fans to show some passion for a change :p

  • Kobe|mvp

    I wish the lakers would bring me in for a day and i would tell vujacic how much he sucks and farmar that hes suppose to be our quick guard but he cant even keep up with a douche like mo williams cause i dont think they know that and is no one telling them this shit either. Kobe should tell it to them straight up, who knows they might start playing worth the cash they get paid. Vujacic’s country didnt even want him why the fuk should we and for 5 million. They must be out their fukin mind.

  • Kobe|mvp

    I would even practice , who knows i might get a contract cause it looks like any one can be a laker these days.

  • http://LakersNation Drama Boy

    If Kobe can sing a song, it would sound like this.

    They say your attitude determines your latitude,
    I’m high as a motherfucker, fly as a motherfucker
    And still the motherfucker you love to hate
    But can’t because you love what I make
    Now ain’t that about a bitch and I’ma talk shit until I’m outta hits
    They don’t wanna turn they speakers up, they claim I ain’t deep enough
    All that talkin I feed off of, keep it up
    I’m relaxin, my feet is upl
    I’m leavin you haters, like when shaq left the lakers,
    Just to heat it up
    I saved the stats and stunt, I don’t need to front
    Make black history every day, I don’t need a month
    The survey says by the streets according
    Kobe just as important as michael jordan
    Was to the NBA, when he was scoring
    Ralph lauren was borin before I wore him and

  • http://LakersNation 2K10

    man i was playin nba 2k10 and i beat the cavs but lebron walked out without shakin my hands. dammit lebron.

  • http://LakersNation 2K10

    wow, i was playin nba 2k10, i dunked on lebron with kobe, id love to show you guys the replay but… lebron confiscated the tape. im sorry guy.

  • http://LakersNation Laker fan

    So let me get this straight. Lebron changing his jersey number to the devil’s number (6) and is gonna play for possibly known as the devil’s team (Knicks)? Well things are working out for him, good luck *cough cough*. I know what Lebron is doing here, when you win an MVP, its compulsory that the NBA retires that jersey number (23) and he is changing numbers so when hes retired, he will have had a good career (no rings though) they will retire #6 too, so he has 2 jerseys retired. He thought no one would know? So much for kissing up to Jordan Lebron. You shouldnt even say the words “Michael Jordan” Lebron, its just not possible for those words to come out of your mouth.

  • http://LakersNation Laker fan

    can someone call up j.a. adande and tell him to shut the hell up after what he said on his twitter.

    @jadande If amy fans deserved a home W on Xmas it’s Portland’s. (Laker fans deserve 5-game losing streak for today’s behavior). about 8 hours ago

    What an LA native he is. i lost respect for that clown

  • Jim

    What did Adande say?

    • http://LakersNation Laker Fan

      @jadande If amy fans deserved a home W on Xmas it’s Portland’s. (Laker fans deserve 5-game losing streak for today’s behavior)
      Thats what he said on his twitter

      • LakersMike31

        You know what, though? You gotta admit, that was pretty classless by Laker fans. We’re better than that.

        • http://LakersNation Drama Boy

          That stereotypical of the critics though claiming that ALL Laker fans are like that. No it was just a hand full at the game, there were those that were watching at home around the world and not to forget those that didnt throw at all. Just what they want, one negative thing for a Laker fan to do so they can label ALL Laker fans that way.

  • Josh in D 310

    Hahaha Bynumb really is a lazy bitch. And what’s worse is that dumb ass look on his face when he’s walking around or on the bench, he looks uninspired, constipated, lost and plain duuumb! Bynumb is a shame and he needs motivation. A shot of adrenaline wouldn’t hurt either.
    If I were Mitch I would trade him now and before he gets injured again and takes a damn decade to recover, oh and let’s not 4get that although he was injured he had a skank playboy model on this shoulders on his supposedly injured knee! He’s a lazy selfish bitch. Andrew Bynumb is the New Kwame Brown

    • Jim

      Yeah, I’m really disappointed in Bynum, imo yesterday was his chance to really show the world that he’s gonna be a dominant center in this league. But for some reason, when Shaq steps on the court, he becomes a shrinking violet.

      They asked him after the game, what he needed to do to be more effective in the next game. He said be more aggresive. Why can’t he figure out that he’s being a wuss in the course of the game and start playing with some passion and pride. Shaq’s 38 years old and he made Bynum totally disappear. Disgusting and Pathetic.

  • Jim

    I also didn’t like the way Artest was allowing LeBron to establish position under the bucket for an entry pass and easy lay up on 2 occasions. He should have rooted him out of the paint and let him know who was boss. He did a pretty decent job on LeBron overall when they went head to head, but those 2 layups really made him look bad.

  • LeHype

    Sometimes stupid Laker fans embarrass me. Throwing stuff on the court. Panicking after one loss and not understanding the game. Lakers still have the best team as long as they play as a team. Those who bashing Bynum don’t understand the game. You need to feed the middle. If you don’t the offense doesn’t operate correctly. Sure Bynum looks unsure and seems lazy out there but Big Men need to be involved especially Big Men like Bynum. He is not strictly a defender rebounder but a guy who need to be involved. Like Stu Lantz says he is a scoring Big man who can rebound not a rebounding Big Man. They need to feed both Bynum and Gasol in the post and Kobe needs to take lesser shots.

    It is one game Laker fans. No need to jump to your death yet. Also you guys see how Lebron set up his teammates yesterday. That is why he is the current MVP of the League. Yes he is hyped up but he also has earned the honors of MVP.

  • gugy

    I am sorry but there are so many bandwagon fans.

    Lakers lose a game, it’s the end of the world!!!!!!!!! lol

    Come on, we played bad. The officiating did not help and the Cavs played really well. So what?
    In the finals do you really think the Lakers will play 4 games like that?

    We have the best record, it’s just a loss.
    We have issues that need to be address, specially with the bench producing so little, but is better have issues now to be fix in time for the playoffs.

    Just relax and enjoy. We will be OK. Have faith!

  • thanhttrinh

    thats what i said from yesterday till today, soo many bandwagoners here, just one loss then started crap talking

  • willmo

    It’s the end of the world.!!!! the Lakers lost!!! oh my god!!!how could this happen!!!!. Guys don’t freak out, they looked flat yes, overconfident yes and we have a horrible bench, no question there, but I’ve never seen a team win a title in December. the Cavs won’t even beat the Celts to reach the finals so all of this crap that you heard on ESPN about a possible NBA finals match is absolute crap. I hate to say this guys but the Chowds played with more passion yesterday than our beloved boys. Mitch it’s time for a shake up on the bench, an addition like an Al Harrington or someone with some anger on a crappy team ala Shannon Brown last yr. We need farmar’s garbage in case fish or brown goes down but Sasha and Morrison are worthless and need to be shown the door. Why Phil threw Sasha in there in the 2nd is still a head scracher but it’s no time to freak out guys, it’s just time that this team gets a wake up call that the rest of the league will not bow down 2 them . Tonight’s game is no gimme either. Quit the jumpshooting and get Paul and Drew’s dumbass some looks and make them grow a pair and lastly have Odom stay away from his opportunistic, greedy hack of a wife “China Kardashian”.

    I’m Out..

  • Robert

    But it isn’t just one game, it is now 5: Denver, Dallas, Utah, Houston, Cleveland. These are ‘elite’ or ‘very good’ teams. The Lakers haven’t fared well against them. And, they were blown out by Denver and now Cleveland.
    So, I can only think that the Lakers are playing 1/2 a$$ed against these teams, and will step it up playoff time.
    It’s just disappointing because the Lakers were touted as being one of the best “Lakers” teams of all time. We still have plenty of time to see that happen.
    Or, maybe they’re losing to these good teams because they’re ‘pacing’ themselves. Not playing too hard so that they have enough juice playoff time. Right?

    • LakersMike31

      I don’ t think they are pacing themselves. They are neck and neck with Boston record-wise, and they DON’T want to see Boston in the finals with them having home court advantage.

      This problem is deeper. Cleveland played extrermely physical with the Lakers. The refs let it be a physical game, on both sides, and the Lakers chose to cry instead of man up. I’m finding that this Lakers team thrives when the game is called tight, and they are free to run their offense. However, when they meet a smashmouth team, and the ref’s let them play it out, the Lakers struggle.

      If they meet Boston in a rough game like this, the Lakers will get hammered.

      • LakersMike31

        As skilled as Pau, Drew, and LO are, they have never been, and will never be considered smashmouth players. We need guys who are willing to stay in the paint and do everything necessary to keep the opposition out.
        So, there’s a tradeoff we have going here. We’ve got three of the most skilled bigs in the league. Unfortunately, all you have to do is push them around and they fade. Thank Buddha that last year they played a Magic team that was just as soft as they are.

    • Robert

      LakersMike31, you are right on. They are still not playing physical enough. I was hoping that Ron-Ron would bring some toughness. Perhaps that is yet to happen, but as a whole the Lakers need to be able to pound it out.
      That was the problem with the 84 Lakers, who fixed that in 85 and got tougher. In this game, they got technicals for complaining. Next game, they should get technicals for clotheslining other players (like Kevin McHale did to Kurt Rambis).
      The Laker fans were tougher. I think they were frustrated, and who can blame them. You know something is wrong when Laker fans get rowdy like that. They’re used to sipping their iced tea when something goes down. The Lakers need to get moving, like the fans want them to. Get off your A$$, Lakers. Get tough. It’s time to dominate.

  • Jim

    I’m not freaking out about this loss, I’m just alarmed at how lax they were in preparing for the game. By Pau’s own admission they took this team lightly.

    All I know is, when we played Boston and Cleveland last year, it was all business, the killer instinct was there, and they displayed a mental toughness that everyone except for Kobe seems to lack this year. You might be saying, well we lost to Orlando twice last year, and yes we did. But nobody was considering the Magice to be a legit title contender, and I think the Lakers underestimated them both times. Obviously, they didn’t in the finals.

    They knew that the Cav’s and the Celtics were going to be possible finals matchups for them, and they were determined to make a statement. They did that by leaving no question in anyone’s minds as to who the better team was of the 3.

    So my question is, why aren’t they going into these games with the same mind set as last year? This was a nationally televised game on Christmas Day, and we had our a$$es handed to us on a platter. We were totally humiliated. I know it’s just one game, but it was a statement game that the basketball world was using as a measuring stick to see how good this team really is. I don’t think the sky is falling yet, bet there is definitely reason for concern.

  • drive-for-16th

    Shaq was making Bynum look like a little bitch and Bynum took it too, when we had Shaq and won 3 tittles shaq was a dominant force because he had the passion for the game and will to win,and now we want Bynum to be that cause were missing shaq type of presence inside who can just go up and destroy the rim. Bynum doesn’t have that because he doesn’t play with passion and he hella doesnt have the will to win, he has Kobe on his team and he needs to learn he wants to stay a Laker after Kobe retires hes gonna have to have Kobe type of mind set when going into games. He complains too much and he has too much to learn and i think he needs to go work with Shaq to learn some game the way he played, Kareem did a really good job but kareem played his style of basketball which doesn’t really suit him, he needs to be more like Shaq and i think thats what all of us are waiting for since shaq left.

    • lakeshow2010

      correction…bynum is a bitch

  • thanhttrinh

    i mean, guys
    this game was over, every comment is unvaluable now so why should we talking about this shyt ?
    just move on, the thing is not how bad we played, its about how to understand the game, come out with more energy and bring our mind set to be prepare for the next meeting, thats how important and i bet u Phil knows how to do with this
    we’ll be fine guys

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