The Foam Finger: Why Bynum for Bosh doesn’t make sense

By now we’ve all heard the rumored swap, the subsequent denials by both front offices, and the hopeful voices of many a Lakers fan begging Mitch to “Do it!”.

I’m here to tell you why it would be a nice idea in theory, but more importantly – I’m here to tell you that it doesn’t make sense – without even touching the financial aspects of the trade.

Let’s start off with the reasons for the trade shall we?

1. Bosh is a superior player to Bynum – I know most Lakers fans, me included, see Bynum as a potential 28 & 12 guy that has showed flashes of being over the last two years before the consecutive knee injuries, but as of now he just simply is not that player… yet.

Bosh is 24 & 11 right now, has offensive range that makes Gasol look like Bynum, and is an athletic mobile defender who anchored an Olympic Gold Medal winning defense. I hate to say it, but Bosh is clearly the better player right now.

2. Bosh’s skill set meshes really well with Gasol – Gasol has more of a back to the basket game, Bosh can drive to the basket better and has more range, plus it’s safe to say that Bosh is more athletic than Gasol. This tandem works better for the Lakers than the current pairing, because right now, Gasol has to use his secondary skill set (face up game) more than his primary skill set (post up game).

This pairing allows Gasol to be naturally more effective than the current one.

3. Bosh’s skill set fits really well in the triangle – The Triangle was designed to get shooters open shots with proper spacing and intelligent off the ball movement, right? Bosh provides better spacing on offense because his man has to guard him from all areas on the court, as he is a threat to shoot or drive from just about anywhere. Couple that with his passing ability and his strengths as a shooter, and it is no wonder that Phil Jackson was interested in him as early as December of 2005.

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Those are all compelling reasons to bite the bullet and make the trade straight away — except that there are 3 equally valid reasons to keep things the way they are…

1. Lakers give up size in this trade – I’m not saying that Gasol can’t play center for the Lakers. If nothing else, Gasol has shown over the last two years that he can play consistently well in the middle – so much so that he has shed the “soft” label that he carried for years. What I am saying, however, is that I’m not confident about Bosh playing center.

As it is right now, Odom is the starting power forward replacement, and Gasol is the starting center replacement. Taking Bynum out of the equation means we’re heavily relying on Gasol to not get injured, because Bosh would become the center replacement in this scenario. I have the same misgivings about Bosh as a center as I do about Odom being a center.

Sure it would work in a pinch, but that’s not an ideal lineup for any stretch of time.

2. Acquiring Bosh screws up the big man rotation – This is how it works right now.

Bynum and Gasol start off for the Lakers. Phil brings in Odom for the first big in foul trouble or if one of them is playing particularly poorly, and then tries to keep at least two of the three players on the court the whole game. In any given game, Bynum is just as likely to share the floor with Odom as he is with Gasol.

This won’t work, especially against the top teams like Cleveland, Boston and Orlando, if Odom and Bosh are on the floor at the same time, because neither one of them is a preferred option at center. The obvious solution for this is to play Bosh and Gasol together as much as possible so that their time on the floor coincides with each other. This would work just fine for most teams, except the Lakers would then be almost completely wasting the talents of Odom, who would only get 10-15 minutes a game in this scenario.

Things would be different if Odom could play at small forward, but Bynum is more likely to fulfill his potential dominance than Odom is to develop a consistent jump shot at this stage in their careers.

3. Bosh would have to sign off on being Option 3, 2A at best – Bosh is only averaging 16 shots a game as a first option, but that’s still 5 more shots than Bynum currently takes. Shots don’t grow on trees, there’s only so many of them available per game, and if other players don’t adjust their games to let him have his 16 shots a game, you’re looking at an 18 & 9 guy instead of a 24 & 11 guy.*

Let’s be honest, Kobe is the biggest obstacle to Bosh getting his shots. Bosh is almost 26. Does anything about Kobe’s recent play suggest that he’ll start declining, and therefore start taking less shots, before Bosh is 28-30? That’s an awful lot of years for Bosh to wait before becoming the number 1 option for the Lakers.

Bynum, on the other hand, just turned 22 – he’ll likely be 24-26 when Kobe is finally ready to cede his top dog status – or about the same age that Bosh is now. If he’s patient, he’s guaranteed his time as the number 1 option on the Lakers.

Bosh? Not as much.

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Basically it goes like this. A Bosh-Gasol front court would be phenomenal, and you don’t really lose in that scenario if you’re just looking at just the on-court stuff (the only real possible detriment would be to Odom’s game, more on that below).

However, the reason the Lakers don’t do this trade, is because of the potential of Bynum, loyalty to Odom, and a host of financial issues that I didn’t even have time to cover.

Those may not seem like good enough reasons to you, but it’s good enough for me.

* The biggest loser of a Bynum/Bosh trade is Lamar Odom, who will have both his minutes and his shots taken from him. In this situation, it becomes more likely that Odom would soon follow Bynum out the door, and that would be a travesty against a player who took a pay cut to stay with the Lakers… not even a full season ago.

  • Jonathan

    THANK YOU!!

  • bostonSUCKS88

    This is what ive been saying since this dumb rumor came out. AB>Bosh.

  • http://www.jackyang.info Jack Y.

    Good job. Well said.

    In addition to all that (said above), Bosh’s contract expires after this season. I don’t know how much money Lakers can offer him. Bosh hasn’t won a championship yet. Therefore, he is likely not to take any pay cut. He will likely end up making more than Bynum next season.

    The trade just doesn’t make much sense for the Lakers.

    • Monkija87

      Bosh would resign with the Lakers without any doubt: they can offer him 500k more per year and a 6 year deal instead of a 5 year one. The trade makes all the sense in the world. And the Lakers wouldn’t be giving up any size and the big man rotation wouldn’t be screwed up in the slightest. Bosh and Odom is a very good front court defensively, Bosh already plays center on defense and if people aren’t watching the Raptors, then surely people saw the Olympics. He played center and came through with flying colors!

  • cumm1977

    bosh for bynum makes perfect since for the lakers. 1)bynum has not shown the ability to stay healthy bosh has missed at most in one season 15 games2) bosh is a proven player on both sides of the ball his entire career. with gasol and kobe hurt with nagging injuries someone needs to carry the load for this team. 3) odom will not lose out he actually loses out with bynum on the floor with gasol because bynum is in the lane and is not a faceup player. bosh gasol and odom could actually work out really well because bosh can step outside and open the lane for odom and vice versa. the lakers are n even more flexible on the frontcourt and dangerous to all!

    • jorael2002

      I totally agree with you!!! Bynum is a great player, but he has shown over the last few games that he can play extremely well, as long as Gasol is not there. I truly believe Gasol and Bosh would be great frontcourt. Gasol could play his normal post role and Bosh and Odom can be the slashers for Kobe and all the guards. Odom would rather pass and rebound then shoot anyway. No way would Odom exit after Bynum. I want Bynum to stay, but Bosh makes more sense in the Lakers scheme. Kobe, Gasol, Fish, Artest, and Bosh would make for one of the best starting five in the NBA today. Even if Kobe averages 26, Gasol 18 and Bosh 18 thats a guaranteed 62 points a game. Add Artest, Odom, Jordan, Shannon, Fish, and now Luke, possibly averaging 4-10 points a game, we’re talking 110-120 points a game. If the Lakers want to go back to back, maybe even threepeat, we need a player like Bosh. Not to mention Bynum would rather shoot then rebound!!!

  • JFK-analysis-at-TLN

    I do not even need to read this article to know that it is RIGHT- the heading says it all..

    Bosh for Bynum was a ridiculous rumor in the 1st place and all those members that would like that trade don’t really understand how BIG MEN develop in BB. Bynum will be dominant- just let him continue to develop

    • Monkija87

      WHAT???? Why would you want to wait 4-6 years for Bynum to become an all-star caliber player when you could have one right now? In 4 to 6 years the Lakers would need new pieces around them anyway, your response to this article makes no sense and neither does the article. How is it a ridiculous rumor, when there is no way that the Raptors can get a better deal for Bosh AND a front court of Bargnani + Bynum would be much more effective than the one they have now. And the Lakers on the other hand would be a better team in every category for the next 3-5 years. And yes, Bosh would resign with the Lakers since they could offer him 500k more per year AND 6 years instead of 5.

      • MITCHSAYSNO

        Take Gasol off this team this year and Bynum would have all star numbers and be an all star.

        • Monkija87

          are you honestly saying that Andrew Bynum is a better player than Chris Bosh? Yes Bynum probably would be an all star if Gasol wasn’t on the team, but Bosh would be an all star even with Gasol playing a full season alongside him.

          I doubt that this trade is going to happen, but it would without any shadow of a doubt make the Lakers a better team.

        • pau

          ja , ja, ja, ja, please

  • LAKERMIKE247

    i been saying this 4 a while 4GETBOSH.COM

    • Craig_J

      that website doesn’t even exist!! i tried it buddy so thanks 4 leading me on! :(

  • Drake Ramoray

    All this post really means is that freedom of speech is alive and well in the United States. To think that Bosh isn’t an upgrade to Bynum is a travesty. All that mumbo jumbo bologne you just wrote about why the Lakers shouldn’t trade for Bosh makes me wonder why you’re even aloud to write a column in the first place.

    The Lakers can easily play Kobe at the 2, Artest at 3, Bosh at 4, Gasol at 5, and Lamar can run the point. This trade does nothing but makes everyone on the Lakers better.

    The Lakers can sub Odom for Bosh near the end of the 1st and then start Bosh for Gasol to start the second. Bosh then plays with Odom, Walton, Brown, and Vujacic where he’ll still be the focal point of the offense and get his shots and points playing with the 2nd unit.

    Then they can bring Gasol back for Odom and the beat goes on. When you decide to write a column next time, think before you actually put your fingers on the keyboard. This trade does nothing but create massive fear throughout the league for years to come.

    Everyone in the league already fears the Lakers right now with Bynum. Imagine what they would feel with Bosh in a Laker uniform. You also mentioned salary.

    Well getting rid of Morrison 5 million, Farmar 2 million, and Bynum 12.5 million frees up 19.5 million to pay Bosh and he wouldn’t even command that much. You and your mom are probably the only people in the world that think Bosh wouldn’t resign with the Lakers if he got traded to LA! Bosh for Bynum makes perfect sense for both teams and Bynum is the best thing Toronto will ever get for Bosh.

    • desecrator93

      i agree with what you said but if Bynum stays healthy he really can become a GREAT player because he’s a back to the basket post player (which is hella rare these days) and he will mature alot more soon and learn how to play better defense. These kinds of players are hard to come across which is why I’m skeptical about this trade. Also, Bosh does have a reputation of being soft so that isnt good to hear. Right now, I’m still 50-50 if I want this to go down or not.

    • Snoopy2006

      How exactly does your Kobe-Artest-Lamar-Bosh-Gasol lineup work? Do you realize you’re completely ignoring (or else oblivious to) one side of the floor?

      Obviously Lamar can play the point offensively; with the interchangeable parts of the triangle offense, he can work from the facilitator role. Offensively, that’s never been in question. Ever.

      And yet why has Phil of 10 Rings openly said he hates the giant lineup? He’s tried it, watched it fail, and canned it. Why? That thing we call “defense.” Lamar absolutely cannot guard most SFs in the league.

      In your mythical lineup, the defensive is horribly skewed. You’re leaving Kobe to deal with the lightning quick PGs like Parker, Paul, Brooks, etc. Artest, I’m sure you’ve noticed, has lost a ton of footspeed even before his foot injury. He cannot guard 2′s whatsover. Lamar can’t guard 3′s. Bosh can’t guard 3′s either. That lineup would give up so much penetration it’d be useless.

      I’m amazed you didn’t see that. If it was that easy to play Lamar in a point role, Phil wouldn’t have openly mocked the lineup and never used it outside of the preseason.

    • LakerFan_85

      Absolutely ridiculous……you think getting Bosh and losing Bynum, Farmar, and Morrison makes us a better team. Do you even stop think before you speak….there was a reason they took the trade for Vlad-Rad. Not only did Vlad need to go, but you get Brown (who turned out to be more than they expected), and you get Morrison (a pure shooter that Jackson covets), and in case you weren’t looking, he is starting to show up under Jackson.

  • Drake Ramoray

    Lets not forget who finishes games in the final minutes for the Lakers in the playoffs. If I recall, Bynum is always on the bench and Odom is finishing ball games. The last 2 years the Lakers made it to the NBA Finals twice winning it all once all without the help of Mr. Bynum. He’s a good player and may develop into a great player. WELL BOSH IS ALREADY A GREAT PLAYER!!!!!!!!!!! WHY NOT TRADE POTENTIAL FOR ALREADY PROVEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Some of you people just don’t understand!

    • desecrator93

      good point, but the problem with that is, Bynum has the POTENTIAL to be BETTER than Bosh is right now. Yeah, I’m serious because if you have a full back-to the basket post arsenal, you can be pretty much unstoppable. Not to mention he has a solid face up game now. Back to the basket moves are alot harder to stop and the shots are higher percentage whereas a big who just shoots jumpshots alot like Bosh does, its less likely the shots will go in than with a normal post game. But I see your point. I’m still 50-50 if I want this.

      • jorael2002

        Amen!!! The fact is Bynum is good, but Bosh is better. The Spurs game proved that we need another scorer when Kobe is hurt. Gasol and Bosh Could easily put up 26 points each without Kobe in the line-up. Plus, maybe it’s just me, but when time is a factor Bynum takes too long. He takes 8-15 seconds just to make his move. Bosh is a balls out threat from all over the court. Plus if we need a bulldog to throw in there we still got Mbenga. Without Gasol and Bynum he stepped up and did what he had to do. I want this trade and Bosh would be a great asset to the Lakers frontcourt.

  • http://57.amklac robert eats matard

    yeah, bynum is really something when he`s up aganist smaller ,slower, smaller players…..his size or quicker ..trade his ASSS….

  • http://vinginor@aol.com onlyone laker fan in L.A.

    Trade Bynum guy is a pussy . Kobe ,Phil evryone knows on the team.
    He will never be the player we hope he will be .
    Trade for Bosh with the exception he is willing to take less next year.
    If not no deal just keep boy man Bynum

  • lakeb

    Everyone here is COMPLETELY wrong. Bosh for Bynum makes complete sense. Laker fans, jerry buss, kobe, phil jackson want rings NOW. They dont care about the bynum progressing in 4 to 5 years. they want want to build a dynasty NOW for the next 3 years. We will worry about the future when it comes time. But right NOW all that matters is defending our championship. with kobes finger being hurt (and will probly be for the rest of the year) pau being injured for the second time this year, artest’s plantar fasciitis in his right foot….WE need people to step up. Bynum seems quite injury prone and has been way too inconsistent, lamars always been inconsistent and they bench wont get any better. We need Bosh all star consistent play. He is a franchise player! we would be lucky to have him on the lakers! we need him now! to defend our title for the next 3 or so years! laker fans, phil jackson, jerry buss and kobe do not have time to wait for bynum!! (also…. if you mention how bosh’s contract expires after this season.. he will for sure sign back with the lakers if they win the title.

    • http://thelakersnation.com/blog/?page_id=2373 Jonathan Somers-Harris

      The reason I didn’t touch on the financial aspects of the trade is that there are so many variables involved that nobody would actually read the article on account of it being way too long.

      Basically though, the tipping point would be if Bosh would agree to a less than max contract. If he does, then the Lakers probably do this trade. If he doesn’t there’s no way they do this trade

      Think abouot it

      Odom took less money to play here
      Pau signed a less than max extension to remain here
      Artest took a pay cut to come here
      Bynum could have held out for the max but he’s currently on a less than max contract <– this one is debatable

      the point is, most of our top players have taken pay cuts to play/stay with the Lakers, and the Lakers are still up to their ears in the luxury tax.

      Bosh is a franchise guy having a career year. In my honest opinion, he deserves a max contract The Lakers would essentially be asking him to be option 3 or 2A AND to take less money.

      The Lakers cannot afford to pay Max money to Bosh if he isn't going to be our franchise player, and by the time Kobe is ready to relinquish the reigns, Bosh himself will be 28-30 and coming up for another contract extension

      Bottom line, unless Bosh takes a pay cut, which he's never indicated that he would. the Lakers don't make this move from a purely financial viewpoint.

      • desecrator93

        agree with all that but what do think about the point I made that Bynum is a true back to the basket center which is extremely hard to find these days. I’d much rather have a franchise center with that type of game than a guy like Bosh who is primarily a jump shooter (a good at that) and therefore the shots are less as high percentage of going in. Bosh is great dont take it the wrong way, but I really think Bynum is gonna be better than him in 2-3 years one he plays a full season and matures on the defensive end. Also, I was checking out some of the Raptors websites and blogs (yes, they actually have some) and alot of them said that Bosh is one of the softest big men in the league.

        • http://thelakersnation.com/blog/?page_id=2373 Jonathan Somers-Harris

          It’s true that Bynum’s skills are an increasingly rare commodity, and one that could prove pivotal in the Lakers contending down the line.

          smart comments desecrator93, thanks for posting

          • lakeb

            unfortunately though, the problem is he is inconsistent, and injury prone. when ever i watch him, his knees just don’t seem right to me. What if Pau or someone gets injured in the playoffs like kg with the celts last year? whos gonna step up? bynum? kobes probably not going to have as good as a playoffs with his finger the way it is. some one needs to step up. since last year every contending team has gotten better. I think the cleveland game proved that. nobody stepped up besides kobe. Gasol is usually consistent so its hard for me to blame him for that loss. But nobody else stepped up. Not only has cleveland gotten better but the celtics have, the hawks have, orlando is a different team (cant really tell yet if they are better or worse) but if we play like we did during the Cleveland game come playoff time, we will be in trouble. Especially if kobes finger gets worse, its unlikely he will be dropping 35 points like he did that game. This is a different year, its not last year. We need consistent offense, and the mixture of gasol, bosh, banged up kobe is enough to get us where we want to be this year. Its not about finding a back to the basket player, its about finding a player who can put the ball in the basket. if we can get bosh, i say go for it. He’s the 7th leading scorer in the league. He is the only big man in the top 10 in scoring this season besides dirk. Bottom line- teams are different this year, we are banged up need to keep up with them. We need to worry about the Now not the Later. (as i said before cleveland proved this, they have 3 new starters and are a different team- shaq, hickson, parker) they are a different team, as well as many other teams. Last thing: I know the lakers are in first place. but for how long? and who cares? when we go head to head against top teams: we clearly have issues (nuggets,cavs, blazers, spurs) yea we were banged up a little in a couple of those games, but thats my point. nobody stepped up. Its hard to get back to back titles, many good teams cant do it examples: celtics, all the great spurs teams. Lakers need to do what they got to do if they get an opportunity

  • daboss1848

    VESCEY!

    • LC09

      one word answer haha

  • http://vinginor@aol.com onlyone laker fan in L.A.

    Remeber we won a title with Bynum we can do it again.
    Kobe knows whats up . Phil mentioned Bosh would look
    good in a Laker Uniform.
    Fuck Bynum. He cant play with Pau. Phil wont play him at end of games.
    He is afraid of all the quality centers even Kaman
    We cant wait trade now worry about the future later.

  • http://singoramalessonsrevealed.com Varick Hudson

    What amazes me is that about 13 or so years ago people like many of you who have commented on this post about Andrew Bynum needing to be traded for Chris Bosh, were saying these exact same things about one Kobe Bean Bryant. In many ways I remember Kobe went through some of the very same things that Andrew has had to go through since he arrived in L.A. At the age of 17. How Kobe was mentored by Byron Scott, Andrew mentored by the Great Kareem Abdul Jabbar. How when ever Kobe got inserted into the games by then Coach Del Harris at the time, and his performance was to say the least dismal the so called Laker faithful wanted him out, gone, he was not going to live up to anyone’s expectations. Well the same thing is happening now. I see a lot of a young Kobe Bryant in this young man Andrew Bynum. I see him, I believe a whole lot better than most of you. And I say if given the chance, Andrew Bynum will have the mantle of best player in the NBA, and Laker great passed on to him with great pride and piece of mind when the day comes and Kobe Bean Bryant does decide to hang up his sneaks, Bynum will wear that moniker. This I do believe, but until then I guess I will have to continue to read and hear about these unvetted rumors and speculations from those of you who claim to be die hard Laker faithful but who also back in the day wanted to get rid of one Kobe Bean Bryant.

    • desecrator93

      well said man. I cant believe how many fake ass Laker fans infest this great website. Give the dude a chance to play a full season first. Those injuries werent his fault so quit sayin he’s some Greg Oden grandpa with weak knees. The dude is a back-to the basket post player and you wont see those very much anymore. Bosh is a great player but he’s not gonna get any better than he is now and I think Bynum is gonna be even better than him in about 3 years. F*ck the haters. Ya’ll need to lay the crack pipe down and quit talkn out your asses and BELIEVE like true Lake Show fans do!

      • http://lakersnation showtime4eva

        i agree thank god none of those ass holes are the gm for the lakers or we woulnt have 3,000 wins they would keep screwing it up on a whim.

        • Drake Ramoray

          13 years ago????? This site has only been in existance for 3 years now!!!!! LOL

    • daboss1848

      in fact PIG was screaming and yelling for Kobe to be traded for the same player that KB wanted Bynum traded for . . . Kidd
      BUT, good trade/ bad trade . . . this is VESCEY!!!

    • Howie Mandel

      Wise Little Grasshopper, Very Wise. Which is why I say NO DEAL!!!

  • Eddie

    im staying with bynum. keep the lakers as original as possible. since this team is good enough to win.

  • Sean All Ivy

    Bynum will be our anchor for years and years to come. He is still growing physically and basketball IQ wise so his upside is phenominal. What would happen if Bosh took off next year to another team? The advantage of plugging in Lamar anywhere we need him while always having a talented 7 footer (or 2) out there with him would be gone.

    • jorael2002

      I am sorry, but Bynum is a kid playing in a man’s body. When calls do not go his way he throws his hands up everytime instead of getting back on “D.” I would trade him and Josh Powell (who is the worst defensive player I have ever seen) to get Bosh.

      • daboss1848

        “When calls do not go his way he throws his hands up everytime instead of getting back on “D.” ”
        That applies to KB as well – r we trading him, too?

    • Sean All Ivy

      For 1/2 year of service out of Bosh? I am not saying Andrew is perfect. All I am saying is that he is still growing as a player. He is 22 and he shows flashes of greatness.

  • http://www.myspace.com/guszo gus26

    here is the thing.. you guys keep talking about bynum being the future.. but if we get bosh so is he.. bosh is just 26.. i say whatever mitch does is the best move..

    but this article is dumb on one point.. adding bosh does not hurt lamar.. this actually helps lamar because right now we can’t play the 3 bigs cuz there is no mobility.. in other words andrew can’t gaurd a sf.. bosh can!.. not great but enough to keep up with them off a switch.. you can play lamar, bosh and gasol at the same time..

    • Sean All Ivy

      Bynum is the future because we have him under contract. Bosh can leave for big money at the end of the year and we are out a big man.

  • Jeff

    Your argument about if Pau gets hurt is invalid, because if Pau goes down, our chances are likely shot either way.

    However, Bosh would afford us the ability to play Lamar at the point. We can’t do that right now, because Bynum can’t step out to afford Pau and Lamar room in the paint.

    Bynum right now is a much worse defender than Bosh – I don’t know why people keep saying this makes us worse defensively. Bosh is one of the best PnR defenders out there right now – see the Olympics.

    Pau and Bosh are INTERCHANGEABLE – that’s the beauty of having them play side by side.

    Bynum/Morrison make a combined 18+ mill this year and Andrews salary goes up to 16.5 mil over the next few years. Buss said he would pay more if it means we keep winning.

    The truth is all Laker fans are HOPING that Bynum turns into the player that Bosh already is. In reality, Bynum will be good but never great because 1) he lacks the athleticism and 2) he lacks the killer instinct.

    Mitch if you are out there and Toronto gives the green light, please please please say yes.

  • chadb

    Well written Bynum is much more valuable then Bosh. Back to the basket centers aren’t available nowadays. Bynum’s offense has been improving very nicely. Once his defense catches up he is going to be a major force. And the anchor for the Lakers after Kobe starts to slow down.

    • Monkija87

      Are you kidding me with this?? You’re actually saying that Bynum is offensively more valuable than Chris Bosh?? Why would the Lakers wait 4-6 years for Bynum to develop, by which time they would need new pieces around the team anyway. Bosh is so much better offensively at this stage of his career, and as good if not better playing center defensively than Bynum.

      • MITCHSAYSNO

        His numbers are better because he is the first option. Bosh wouldn’t be able to stop Bynum in the post.

  • highflyer

    PISTONS WANT TO TRADE RIP HAMILTON…. WHAT DO U GUYS THINK

    • http://lakersnation showtime4eva

      woulda been alright a few years ago but he’s been hurt an i’m pretty sure his time has past he’d probly be as much help as payton was..we need younger.but he woulda been perfect

  • drive-for-16th

    unless he can come off the bench for Kobe.

  • ron ron

    guys what do u think of signing Starbury for are PG?

    • http://TheLakersNation Marwan..

      Much love for Starbury, but might as well resign Kwame while you’re there. He was great in his New York days but ever since he left he has been a bust.

    • http://lakersnation showtime4eva

      the same as rip..he’s to old his times past.not to much of a threat.no ones scared of him.anymore ,an thats not much more than we have right now.but he woulda been good a few years ago

    • http://lakersnation showtime4eva

      clippers are hurting for players lakers should set their sights on barron davis

  • Harmony_smurf

    You guys are smoking some serious dubage, if you think that Bosh for Bynum is a bad trade! Bynum was irrelevant in the last finals and too injury prone in the previous one. Gasol and Bynum on the same court cancel each other out, if we were to lose Bynum for nothing we can still win the Chip, add a Tenacious defender like Bosh on a stacked Lakers team and you got instant Dynasty!

    • http://thelakersnation.com/blog/?page_id=2373 Jonathan Somers-Harris

      Note that I didn’t say it was a bad trade, rather that it doesn’t make sense given the Laker’s current position as league leaders amidst a fairly decent injury crisis

      • Monkija87

        How does the trade not make sense?? The Lakers would get a proven all star instead of waiting 4-6 years for Bynum to develop, and by that time Kobe’s going to be 35-37. Bosh plays center: guards the rim and covers the paint defensively with the best of them. This trade makes so much sense for both teams that it’s ridiculous. IF THE TRADE IS THERE, MAKE IT!

        • MITCHSAYSNO

          Bynum is producing now and in 1-3 years he will be even better.

          • Monkija87

            do you believe that Bynum will be a better player than Bosh within 3 years?

            i just can’t see that happening

  • highflyer

    i hate d fact dat we play orlando and celdicks wen their injured n if we win… wen we win… everyones gonna be like… they were injured n if they were healthy they would beat u… i wud luv it if we can beat orl, cavs, and celdicks this month as a statement. n if we wouldve beat spurs we wouldve beaten d top teams in one month

    • Sean All Ivy

      we are hurt too though

      • highflyer

        i kno but they always downgrade ourwork n think we barely pulled one out

        • Sean All Ivy

          good point

  • http://TheLakersNation PWNED

    jazz and cavs game is ugly. lebron flopping, getting calls, faking injuries, its bullshit

  • http://www.thelakersnation.com Freddy

    I really would not mine it if Bynum left only if this trade transpired: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yz464ba

    • http://TheLakersNation Marwan..

      Thats a crazy trade. No way are we going to give up 2 valuable players for the only worth player, Chris Bosh and 2 fillers.

      We should keep the team the way it is without giving up too much (i.e. Starters, Odom, Farmar, Brown)

      • John B

        3 subs? i dont think thats enough.
        what if one of the subs are injured?
        we could at least save luke and mbenga or powell..
        sasha is not doing anything as well as morisson
        sasha gets like 5m per year which is big for him because he’s not really doing anything. im glad his contract is almost done

    • http://myspace.com/taeyongpark Day

      We aren’t trading Luke.

    • http://lakersnation showtime4eva

      we want to build the lakers not dismantle them..its time to think about the parts we need and lay this bosh issue to rest.

    • Monkija87

      what??? The Lakers don’t need to give up Luke Walton. This trade works just fine with just Morrison and Bynum. And the Raptors aren’t going to get a better offer anywhere.

    • brian Michaels

      Thats pretty close to the trade I had Freddy. I think your warm except that Toronto wont take Luke. Would you? And the Lakers wont need 2 back up centers. Just 1. This trade makes more sense for both sides and the numbers work. I ran em last night.

      Toronto gives – Bosh, Nesterovic, and either Weems or DeRozan.
      Lakers give- Bynum, Morrison, Vujacic, One Trade Exception.

      This trade makes sense for the Lakes. They get a big in case Pau needs rest. They get Bosh and they get another guard.

      Toronto gets a young star, a shooter and expiring money.

      My trade makes the Lakes like a plus 14

  • http://TheLakersNation PWNED

    AHAHAHAHHAHAH CAVS LOST TO A ROOKIE!!! LEBRON DIDNT WANNA SHOOT FTS CAUSE HE AINT CLUTCH!!! GOOO WORK JAZZZ!!!!!!

  • lakerfan81

    The main reason it does not work is that Bynum is making 12M per year Bosh will be asking for quite a bit more than that. He will be getting a contract around what Gasol has starting at 16-17M per season. No way Buss signs off on that much salary especially with the luxury cap dropping next season. The Lakers would end up with like 35M+ in tax.

    • Monkija87

      False. The Lakers will be already getting 10mil off their books come summer: Morrison’s 5mil and Fishers 5mil. No question Fisher wouldn’t resign for a smaller deal.

  • lakeb

    unfortunately though, the problem is he is inconsistent, and injury prone. when ever i watch him, his knees just don’t seem right to me. What if Pau or someone gets injured in the playoffs like kg with the celts last year? whos gonna step up? bynum? kobes probably not going to have as good as a playoffs with his finger the way it is. some one needs to step up. since last year every contending team has gotten better. I think the cleveland game proved that. nobody stepped up besides kobe. Gasol is usually consistent so its hard for me to blame him for that loss. But nobody else stepped up. Not only has cleveland gotten better but the celtics have, the hawks have, orlando is a different team (cant really tell yet if they are better or worse) but if we play like we did during the Cleveland game come playoff time, we will be in trouble. Especially if kobes finger gets worse, its unlikely he will be dropping 35 points like he did that game. This is a different year, its not last year. We need consistent offense, and the mixture of gasol, bosh, banged up kobe is enough to get us where we want to be this year. Its not about finding a back to the basket player, its about finding a player who can put the ball in the basket. if we can get bosh, i say go for it. He’s the 7th leading scorer in the league. He is the only big man in the top 10 in scoring this season besides dirk. Bottom line- teams are different this year, we are banged up need to keep up with them. We need to worry about the Now not the Later. (as i said before cleveland proved this, they have 3 new starters and are a different team- shaq, hickson, parker) they are a different team, as well as many other teams. Last thing: I know the lakers are in first place. but for how long? and who cares? when we go head to head against top teams: we clearly have issues (nuggets,cavs, blazers, spurs) yea we were banged up a little in a couple of those games, but thats my point. nobody stepped up. Its hard to get back to back titles, many good teams cant do it examples: celtics, all the great spurs teams. Lakers need to do what they got to do if they get an opportunity

  • joshLA

    WHy i would disagree is because

    1) bynum hasnt really HELPED much the past couple of seasons due to injury. Pau kobe lamar fish and ariza was a way better starting lineup last year anyways.

    2) Bynum isn’t as effective with gasol, so again he essentially doesnt do much. Look at his numbers with gasol out.

    3) BYnum is offensively oriented; i’d prefer he play better d and rebound and block more shots with his size than always mostly only try to score.

    4) Bosh is a PROVEN allstar and bynum would most likely have to be the no.1 option guy elsewhere in order for him to fully develop.

    5) even if bosh chose not to resign at the end of the season we could do a sign and trade and use him as bait for say another star (lebron cough cough). Its ice to imagine the possibilities and if it were up to me i’d say 60% of me would say yes to a trade but only if we could get calderon in return as well which would solve our pg issue. I doubt theyd jack since theyve played better w/o calderon.

    I doubt it’d happen but wed be even more bad ass if it did. Either way if healthy a repeat is real likely and weve got the best record so no need to panic.

    • Monkija87

      Anyone who’s saying that Bosh wouldn’t resign is an idiot. Don’t worry about that scenario.

  • Robert

    OK, this has to be cleared up: if we were to trade Bynum for Bosh, and Bosh CAN leave at the end of this year, why on earth would we sign Bosh? I wouldn’t, as a GM, unless there were a contract that Bosh would sign as soon as he got here. If that can’t be done FORGET IT, no trade. The only way a trade like that would make sense as is, is if Buss was saying that we ‘needed’ Bosh to get to the Championship this year, and that’s it. But we don’t need Bosh to get to the Championship this year. We still have the best record.
    .
    So, it becomes a ‘hypothetical’ trade, because it can’t happen as I outlined above (unless someone knows something we don’t here). Therefore, hypothetically, if we were to have Bosh instead of Bynum (let’ say over the next few years), it might work out. But, we might still need a ‘true center’ like …. like … um …. Bynum. He is a rare commodity.
    .
    on the subject I keep bringing up …. we should still sign one person (no trade, just add one player) to tool up for the playoffs – I think we should get a ‘backup’ point guard, but we need to do it soon to give them time to adjust to & learn the Triangle. We have plenty of bigs now, we need an extra ‘small’ (or, speedy), to guard the quick pg’s in the league.

    • Monkija87

      Bosh would resign with the Lakers without any doubt. The Lakers could offer him a 6 year deal versus a 5 year deal and 500k more per year. That’s not an issue anyone should be worrying about.

    • brian Michaels

      Because your 20 Million over the cap. Thats why

  • MITCHSAYSNO

    You guys trying to get me fired? Drew is just too Big and Talented to let go.

  • Penelope

    Bosh better than Gasol…JAJAJAJAJAJA. Gasol is very better than Bosh. You guys say that only because Bosh is American and Gasol isn´t. Pathetic.

  • Monkija87

    Whoever thinks that a trade for Chris Bosh involving Andrew Bynum doesn’t make sense doesn’t know what they’re talking about. And Chris Bosh is more than capable of playing at center, he guards the rim and covers the paint defensively with the best of them. Bargnani is listed as the Raptors center, but he doesn’t rebound or block shots, so Bosh pretty much plays center for them already. And I’m sure everyone watched the US play in the Olympics, all he did was play center in those games and he came through with flying colors!

    And Bosh would definitely resign with the Lakers, because the Lakers would be able to offer him 500k more per year and a 6 year deal versus a 5 year deal that other teams would be able to offer. MAKE THE TRADE IF IT’S THERE!!!

  • http://TheLakersNation Marwan..

    I dont know if this is still going on though, but this trade was in the talks with Mitch. Bosh and Banks for Bynum, Sasha and Morrison.
    We get Bosh for Bynum and a PG for Sasha and Morrison. Seriously, the way Bynum has been playing, I wouldnt trade him, and Bosh could leave at the end of the season. However, I did contact Larry Coon, from NY Post, and he said that if the Raptors had an extend-and-trade deal, it would sweeten the trade deal for the Lakers, they would likely go for it more than they wouldve earlier when he couldve walked out.
    I leave it up to management but I just hope that they dont screw up and they make the right move (whatever the right move is)

  • BRIAN MICHAELS

    The vast majority of sports writers are now reporting the Lakers are interested, seriously interested in Bosh. If they can make the numbers work and Toronto believes he will leave color Bosh Purple and Gold.

  • http://TheLakersNation Marwan..
  • leo

    bosh is allstar, all nba, olympic champion, franchise player, automatic 20-10-2, 26 years old, plays center/pf, free of injury histories,

    bynum is a good center in the nba…..this is his 5th season in nba…he should be at his peak or near his peak by now…even if he turns out to be an allstar performer(probably in the next few years)…we are trading all star for all star but we get the finish product now!

    also in todays nba centers and pf do not need to be the biggest guys…is more bout skills, quickness and athelticism in todays nba