On behalf of TheLakersNation.com, I would like to thank all members participating in our September and final GM challenge for this summer. These challenges were designed to encourage the users to lookup and research references and educate themselves about individual players.

We invited several judges and four of them accepted our invitations but unfortunately two of the judges, D-Briks and Rpoc, were not able to fulfill their mission due to other personal engagements. Cancellation came to late to appoint replacements. Outcome may have been different if we had grades form all four judges. However the remaining two judges worked really hard to comb through all trade proposals and scrutinized each and every suggestion to achieve a fair assessment.

Some members made several proposals but we evaluated only the final offer. We based our evaluation on four criteria:

  1. Securing the future of the team: 3 Points
  2. Having a contender team on the floor now: 3 Points
  3. Suitability to other teams: 2 Points
  4. Simplicity, number of teams and players involved: 2 Points
  5. Total points available for each offer by each judge: 10 Points

Taking the above four criteria in consideration and points allowed for each criterion, we are announcing the following…

1. The winner Ishaq Ahmed Shariff (aka; Shaq786) scored 16 points out of 20.

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2. Second best proposal was made by gspence001 and scored 15.75 points out of 20.

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3. Third best proposal was made by LA All The Way and scored 14.75 points out of 20.

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The winner of the General Manger Challenge for month September is awarded with the Certificate of Managing, issued by the TheLakersNation.com and signed by the founder Mr. Kam Pashai

Judges decisions are final and not negotiable.

Judges Notes: Honestly, I was a bit disappointed by the quality of the proposed trades, and the goal of having a contender team on the floor with an eye on the future was not met by any measure. I was hoping to see more unknown but promising young talents, but household names overshadowed most trades. My objective was to get the users to research the 2007 draft list and lookup the EuroBasket players and I emphasized it several time on the comment section, which was widely ignored.

  • The Nugget

    Sorry for the delays, guys. We had a small problem, I take full responsibility for it. Thanks for everyone who participated!

  • lakers4life

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  • Faith

    Work? If Jim doesn’t why should we haha, jk.

  • cyrus

    The Nugget,

    We know this blog would not exist without you and it’s very honorable for you to take responsibility for something that was out of your hand. I for one, know how hard you work to keep this site alive. Thank you.

  • LA All The Way

    Congratulations to Shaq786 and gspence001… nice work!

    I was realy disappointed when I came to post my proposal and see the Shaq786 post! I practically post my proposal knowing that the first place was already gone.

    Let’s hope our FO sees a little bit like Shaq786!!! :D

    Peace…

  • cyrus

    LA All The Way,

    Actually you had a nice proposal, you just lost points in “simplicity” and “practicality”. Other than that, you scored almost as much as the winner. And I believe if we would have all four judges in place you would have had really a good chance. Maybe next time will be your turn.

  • LA All The Way

    Thanks there Cyrus…

    And I’ll be waiting for the next challenge!!!

  • two0one7

    I like the winner’s proposed trade except for one thing. I don’t think Sacramento would be willing to give away Artest for Ricky Davis.

  • Shaq786

    Hey thanks alot everyone…

    sorry for those who didnt win… we all win some and lose some

    in my opinion LA All the way should have got second place… Indiana is extremely high on Danny Granger… they want odom and bynum for J.O… so basically its coming down to kwame and farmar for danny granger… the way i see it possibly working is if we take back a N-A-S-T-Y contract

    and SAC, no matter how much they hate us, they will take ricky davis.. they want expiring contracts… and they get that and some mad talent in return, … we could keep ricky davis and stay happy, but, the reason i did that is because throwin SAC in the mix is eay in this case and artest fits better in the triangle offense. Also, ricky davis has a bigger upside than ron artest, and less off court issues… any team would be absolutley insane not to take this trade.

    i know the judges base on simplicity… but sometimes you have to open your eyes to the bigger pic… for higher point purposes i could have kept ricky davis… but in my opinion it doesnt take away from the simplicity or the chances of this happening when you SAC is in the mix…

    RON ARTEST is on the market, they are looking for a good replacement, and they are looking for expiring… so ask yourself would it make this trade anymore difficult?

    i wish the judges would be more easy on the simplicity scale especially if the other teams involved are happy…there should be a judging section on possibility… some of the trades had players being traded that wouldnt happen, since they are trying to build a future with (paul milsapp, etc..) … i think there is ahrder judmgment on simplicity rather than suitability to other teams nevertheless, i thank all the judges for time and effort

  • PHANTOM

    the fix is in. that trade sux!!!

  • Elvis

    where can we see the trade proposals of the winners???

  • TonyStarks79

    I don’t get it? Us getting Ron Artest and Trenton Hassell secures the future of this team? No knock on you Shaq786 and I ain’t hating but c’mon. I understand the simplicity of the trade but my trades would’ve at least been a top three. Getting Pau Gasol and Ron Artest secures the future, while getting rid of Lamar and Vlad to Memphis. And also trading Farmar and Kwame for Artest would’ve been easy for Sacramento. They would eventually lose Bibby and would be happy of Kwame’s expiring contracts. I think the evaluation stunk!

  • ab4sure

    Well I thought Shaq786 would win, however I thought it would be his first trade where the Lakers get AK47 and Okur for LO, Kwame, and Cook. This is a good trade for both teams. There is value for value in this trade. The Jazz get Kwame a serviceable center and cap space(which they need because D. Williams will get a big contract) and Odom(who will thrive under Sloan..much more so than PJ)who still doesn’t seem comfortable playing in the tri or playing with Kobe, and Cook a good shooter and role player. Also they clear cap room with moving AK47. The Lakers get AK47(his type of defense the Lakers are desperate for and his IQ is high and perfect for the tri)and Okur who provides scoring and will open up the lane/post in the tri for low post scoring from Bynum, Mihm, Kobe, etc…) The Lakers are securing their future while contending in this trade. If I had a vote it would be for you but for this trade. I don’t think the trade you won on could ever happen only because the Maloof’s(owner of the Kings) hates the Lakers and would never try to help the lakers. The Lakers would have to pay way too much to get Artest. If the Kings needed a 3rd team to get Davis they would make sure it wasn’t the Lakers.

    As far the Judges notes…I think we didn’t go after Euro players because most of those are obtained in the draft in addition we don’t know how they will do in the NBA…Memphis doesn’t know if Navarro will make a big impact..they got him because Gasol wanted him. Plus the lakers need Defense, Experience, and high IQ basketball players…and going after unknown players really makes getting those kind of players questionable. I personally have too much sports here in the states to keep up with Euro players…I only check them out when I hear rumors that the lakers are interested in one.

    Well thank you judges for taking the time to judge…I know it is not easy to do that plus it takes time to give a fair evaluation of each trade. BTW…did my trade get evaluated or was it thrown out for some technicality??? Man…I thought I would crack the top 3.

  • TonyStarks79

    I agree..and I’m trying not to knock on Shaq786 but c’mon..There were other trades that had better results like mine..I wonder where I ended up because I could’ve sworn I would cracked the top three. Getting Pau Gasol and Artest would’ve secured us for championships to come. And eventhough I love Odom, we would have to let him go with Vlad for Gasol. And I know Sacramento would’ve loved getting Farmar and Kwame for Artest, this would’ve secured the pg situation with Bibby leaving and gave them Kwame’s expiring contract. IMO, this would’ve secured the future 3, have a contender on the floor now 3, would be suitable for other teams 3, and would be simple enough to move them to their respected teams 2. The trades weren’t scrutinized enough!

  • nyla

    Not feeling it. I wish I had more time. I had a pretty good plan. Oh well. lol

  • Shaq786

    Memphis would never in their right mind take V.rad contract and odom, for Pau Gasol…I would doubt they would even trade Gasol if they got Odom and 2 first rounders (which would be way worth it, for us)

    its not about the final result… its about making other teasm agree as well

    You guys, dont get all in the hype… we dont need supersta to win… do you understand how much of a difference ron artest, alone makes????…. SOLID consistent perimiter defense, and would become our second scoring option right off the bat… on top of that hassell is a lock down defender as well, having him coming off the bench is freakin tight!

    this is not my best trade… i had in mind… but i knew this would make the cut because the judges grade simplicty hard..

    If you look at my other trades… you will know what i want for this team… having this trade would get us into semifinals.. tops… the only way we could win, is if Javaris comes out as one of the top 5 pgs in the league… Bynum becomes a monster, … odom is consistent on both offense and defense,and boards like crazy…. and we have the right chemistry…

    those are alot to factors for becoming champions… so thats why i would suggest something way different…

    you’ll see what I am talking about… come the next challenge

  • Shaq786

    for the next challenge… (judges) please make REALISTIC a criteria for judging…

  • Shaq786

    ab4sure… i really wanted to do that trade but I thought i wouldnt cut it… so i made that simple trade (r.davis, t.hassell.. FOR, kwame, maurice, and a’08 second)

  • Lakers724

    Nice trade Shaq786, great job, you deserve to win! Getting Artest just by giving Kwame & Mo Evans to T’Wolves while Kings get a scorer in Ricky Davis! Absolutely GREAT! I’m just bummed because when I play NBA 2K7 I can make a 30 or around there place in the power rankings, into a team that can have both a future, and a chance at 5th or 6th place and go into the 2nd round! But…I think that’s only because I do like, maybe…7 or more trades, but, that’s only in a video game, in real life, I don’t think I can be a GM. But…maybe with more experience (like yours), I could be a succesful as a GM when I possibly go to the NBA as a player and retire!

  • http://cokespill.com/english/band/jonny.html joninjapan

    shaq congrats

    honestly, as a judge, i was also dissapointed by the quality of the trades, not to say that there wern’t any good ones but that alot of trades just wern’t realistic enough. alot of people traded away kwame citing his “cap relief” yet at the same time we don’t want him for cap relief. Why? because even with him coming off the books we don’t fall back under the cap, and the same goes for other teams.

    shaq i liked your proposal with utah, but you’re right i rate practicallity really high

    anyhow thanks everyone for participating

  • http://cokespill.com/english/band/jonny.html joninjapan

    note about kwame

    the cap relief thing doesnt apply to all the teams out there but there are teams out there in the same situation as the lakers are capwise and some trades failed to address that

  • gspence001

    i cant believe i actually got 2nd

  • TonyStarks79

    “this is not my best trade… i had in mind… but i knew this would make the cut because the judges grade simplicty hard.. “

    how you know the judges grade simplicity hard? it’s 2 points!

  • Elvis

    i rather have evans than hassell and his big contract…i like getting artest and think kwame and farmer should be enuff…or maybe a pick instead of farmer

  • http://www.myspace.com/on3s3qu3nc3 123kid

    big ups to shaq786 and on his realistic style of a trade. anyone can just put up a gang of players and get a supastar, just as long as the money and all that other stuff matches, but what the trade machine doesnt do, is rate things on how realistic the trade is (but its just a machine anywayz!!!). but still big ups on a good realistic trade. and also big ups to everyone who even followed around the same criteria! i think anyone on this laker forum could make a better decision and atleast keep pushing for something to happen as GM, rather than Mitch.

  • ab4sure

    Joninjapan,

    Kwame and cap relief is all about the other team who is looking for it. Most teams are over the cap and Kwame 9 million salary not only saves them the 9 mil once Kwame is gone but also saves them the penalty for being over the cap which I believe is 50%…which for Kwame would be 9 mil plus 4.5 mil a total of 13.5 million for another team who is over the cap and that would apply to most of the league. I could be alittle off on those numbers but I think they are very close. So yes cap relief is a big deal that is why teams like minny wanted that with Theo Ratliff. The Lakers don’t want Kwame for cap relief because they will be over with Kobe’s rising contract among other players contracts. The Lakers will use their midlevel to get a FA. Some teams like Utah will use the savings to sign there own players or for the few under the cap like Orlando was those teams will go for a big free agent.

    I thought Shaq786 trade for Okur and AK47 should have won for reasons above under a previous statement I made, but he withdrew it. Why wouldn’t that be practical??? I gave my reasons for Shaq786 Utah trade above. As far as Artest being traded by the Maloofs in Sactown, I find that highly improbable and not practical as they detest the Lakers and will not help them.

  • Shaq786

    Elvis… i would rather have Maurice as well, since he has got the triangle… but the reason why MIN does that deal is beccause we are taking his bad contract

    not only do some teams want to get under the cap, but teams also want to dish out as many contract as posssible, if they are focussing on trying to sign their stars.. and build a team around certain players… for example… MIN needs to sign ryan gomes, craig smith, and of course big AL… so they dont want to be paying them insane amount of money and having other players still on contract which will cause them to go way over the cap and might possibly make them pay luxury tax…

    kwame for ricky davis is not enough.. especially since they are both expiring… thats why i add mo evans, and take back hassell, which gives them more space

    ab4sure…. like i said before… SAC would be absolutely S-T-U-P-I-D.. not to take this deal… and also as I stated before… if we get stuck with ricky davis, its not the end of the world… we are still a great team… he is better offensivley than artest… and has a little above avg. defense, … so it still works for us

    when sac sees us getting davis.. they will be like “oh crap”.. so, nevertheless they are in trouble and wont be able to compete with us…. they are trying to rebuiild so ricky davis is an expiring contract.. works out just fine for them. Maloofs are stubborn, but not stupid… DON’T BELIEVE ALL THE HYPE!

  • Lakers724

    [quote comment="13382"]Nice trade Shaq786, great job, you deserve to win! Getting Artest just by giving Kwame & Mo Evans to T’Wolves while Kings get a scorer in Ricky Davis! Absolutely GREAT! I’m just bummed because when I play NBA 2K7 I can make a 30 or around there place in the power rankings, into a team that can have both a future, and a chance at 6th,5th or even 4th place and go into the 2nd round or 3rd round! But…I think that’s only because I do like, maybe…5 or more trades, but, that’s only in a video game…in real life, I don’t think I can be a GM. But…maybe with more experience (like yours), I could be a successful GM when I possibly go to the NBA as a player and retire![/quote]

  • ab4sure

    Shaq786 excellant explanation of why the cap relief is important. thanks…I have to disagree with you on artest and Davis though…I believe artest would have a much greater impact than davis..and Ricky is not a triangle type of player(he has the nickname of no D Ricky).

    Also, I have heard many interviews with the Maloofs and how they despise the Lakers and would not want to help them (although the Maloofs have a good relationship with Jerry Buss).

  • Shaq786

    ab4sure… bro, I dont think you read my previous post on top.. i did say that artest is a better fit… than davis in the triangle

    but that being said, davis is a better fit in sacramento…

    and i stated before, that no matter how much they hate us, they will still do it… i mean you cant go wrong with davis… he is talented young player, who is running on his last year of the contract… with artest you have to worry about him getting into legal problems… MALOOFS want to trade him not because he sucks, but because their reputation is on the line

    just be logical… weigh the facts

  • BEC

    [quote comment="13391"]Elvis… i would rather have Maurice as well, since he has got the triangle… but the reason why MIN does that deal is beccause we are taking his bad contract

    not only do some teams want to get under the cap, but teams also want to dish out as many contract as posssible, if they are focussing on trying to sign their stars.. and build a team around certain players… for example… MIN needs to sign ryan gomes, craig smith, and of course big AL… so they dont want to be paying them insane amount of money and having other players still on contract which will cause them to go way over the cap and might possibly make them pay luxury tax…

    kwame for ricky davis is not enough.. especially since they are both expiring… thats why i add mo evans, and take back hassell, which gives them more space

    ab4sure…. like i said before… SAC would be absolutely S-T-U-P-I-D.. not to take this deal… and also as I stated before… if we get stuck with ricky davis, its not the end of the world… we are still a great team… he is better offensivley than artest… and has a little above avg. defense, … so it still works for us

    when sac sees us getting davis.. they will be like “oh crap”.. so, nevertheless they are in trouble and wont be able to compete with us…. they are trying to rebuiild so ricky davis is an expiring contract.. works out just fine for them. Maloofs are stubborn, but not stupid… DON’T BELIEVE ALL THE HYPE![/quote]

    Heres how I see it, i think this was the best trade out there and deserved to win, good job on making the right choices judges, but thats not saying much.
    Sac would be stupid to not take this trade???? Sac would be STUPID to take this trade. Why would the Kings give up Artest for Ricky(an expiring contract)? Artest is just as good offensively and a million times better defensively, talent wise hes way above Ricky, screw the baggage he performs everyone knows that, thats why hes in the NBA. And plus theyre not even close to being in a position to win, especially in the west with or without Artest.
    Theres no way Kings give-up Artest without getting at least young talent for him. Let me tell you why, the only thing they have to build on is Hawes and Martin thats not much, theyll need young talent and picks. They have too many big contracts and veterans in Bibby, Shareef, Thomas, and Miller to just give away Artest for an expiring contract. More importantly, all those expire in two-three years. Thats WHEN THEY REBUILD. Kings will get ten times more value for Artest if they wait and THEY KNOW THAT because for one, Artest wont be the only expiring contract WITH TALENT (Unlike a Ratliff contract) theyll have to offer, plus Artest isnt some chump 13 year vet who cant play anymore. Why trade a player WHO CAN STILL PLAY ON AN ALL-STAR level for an expiring contract?
    Yeah Sac wants cap space but theyre only 4 mill over and Rickys 6 mill isnt going to do them much, seeing that they need to sign Martin and others, so theyll still be right above the cap.
    With there situation theres no way they give up Artest just for an expiring contract. Theyll wait a couple years when they REALLY can rebuild and get way better value for Artest than just an expiring contract, were they can also trade Miller, Bibby, Thomas and Shareef all at the same time, with their expiring contracts. Bibby’s and Artest’s contracts expire the same year, so worst comes to worse theyll just wait that out, rather than trade them for expiring contracts now, because that wouldnt help them now.
    Thats why I think theres a ZERO chance for this trade to happen, but it was a nice idea, if they were in a good rebuilding stage this would be a good trade all around. But not for the Kings, there best opportunity to rebuild and get cap relief would be two-three years from now.

    This was an interesting competition, because its not really possible to appease Kobe (Win a title) and build a future.

    Lets have a PLAN Z competition! Trading Kobe would be fun! Yeah I know it would be a bummer to trade Kobe, but lets not forget NO ONE, NOT ONE PLAYER, NOT EVEN MAGIC, IS ABOVE THE PURPLE and GOLD, PLAYERS COME AND GO but the LAKERS ARE FOREVER!
    It would be interesting to see how are future would be without Kobe. Come on Cyrus make it happen. Lets do it.

    GO LAKERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

  • Shaq786

    BEC, very good points…

    but you’re not looking at the big pic… if they can trade artest for a good replacement with an expiring contract…THEY CAN GO INTO REBUILD MODE right away… HOW???… dont forget that miami is willing to trade jason william (expiring), and some one else for bibby

    also… ricky davis puts SAC under the cap… so it does make a difference no matter who they have to sign… why>>??… because they can sign a great player in the offseason, and pay them what they want… and sign k-money…. i know they will be paying through their teeth, in salaries… but the maloofs would do it to win… and they have great fanse as well, so dont think they dont got money

    even if we were to go with your arguement on re-signing k money… of course it would make differece to have an expiring contract…it gives them more of a chance to pay up

    look past just one trade, think bout step 2,3…. THINK OF THE BIG PICTURE (I can’t stress that enough)

  • ab4sure

    Shaq786…your points on this trade do not add up…your Okur and AK47 trade was so much better and practical. You should have won on that trade alone so I think you deserve your award for that trade, but this Ricky Davis hype is way overboard, bro. There is no comparison to Ron Artest. No D Ricky ruins team chemistry. There is a reason he is traded alot. He is a modern day Cedric Ceballos(ceballos was abit better) who looks good on a losing team because he scores. But Artest is so much better than Davis. The facts are Artest scores more and rebounds much more than Ricky. Also Artest will hold his man to half his scoring average, while players will get their career high on NO D Ricky. You would definitely go wrong if you give up Artest for Ricky. Ricky though young has reached his potential and their is no more upside for him. He just wants to score and is not into winning. Remember when he tried to get a triple double by shooting at the opposing team basket just so that he could get his 10th rebound. It is all about Ricky. That is not the type of player PJ would ever want on his team and the Lakers would never settle for this type of player. While Artest has off court problems, he is a terror on the court especially on defense. Too many laker fans expect more for less and do not want to give value for value. This trade definitely falls into that category.

    Also you mentioned that Sac would want cap space…well the fact is Artest can and will opt out this year so essentially he is an expiring contract after this year and will pic and choose where he will be. So if they wanted to use him this year and take the cap space they could do that and it would create more room for them than Ricky’s contract. Sac is not getting enough in this trade and to top it off they would be helping the Lakers. This trade is not happening.

    Your right about this not being your best trade…You should have won with the Utah trade

  • BEC

    [quote comment="13397"]BEC, very good points…

    but you’re not looking at the big pic… if they can trade artest for a good replacement with an expiring contract…THEY CAN GO INTO REBUILD MODE right away… HOW???… dont forget that miami is willing to trade jason william (expiring), and some one else for bibby

    also… ricky davis puts SAC under the cap… so it does make a difference no matter who they have to sign… why>>??… because they can sign a great player in the offseason, and pay them what they want… and sign k-money…. i know they will be paying through their teeth, in salaries… but the maloofs would do it to win… and they have great fanse as well, so dont think they dont got money

    even if we were to go with your arguement on re-signing k money… of course it would make differece to have an expiring contract…it gives them more of a chance to pay up

    look past just one trade, think bout step 2,3…. THINK OF THE BIG PICTURE (I can’t stress that enough)[/quote]

    THINK OF THE BIG PICTURE. Yes I couldnt agree more. Let me tell you the picture I see. The real question here for me is whats the best value the Kings can receive for Artest. And its not an expiring contract.
    Rickys contract makes no difference at all. It puts them two mill under the cap, once the his contract expires, but that same summer/year theyre going to sign Kevin Martin to a deal, that will INSTANTLY put them over the cap, his deal will be at least a 6-8 mill deal, the way hes played, which puts them in the same position before, 4-5 mill over the cap. After that what good is Rickys contract? Nothing because the signing of Kevin puts them over the cap again and they wont be able to sign anyone.
    If Bibby left, then thats a whole different scenario because 7mill contract to a 14 mill contract makes all the diffenernce in the world. Bibbys contract will make a difference if hes trade for an expiring contact, but not Rickys. This Ricky deal doesnt give them any cap relief, which is the sole purpose of this trade, because theyre going to win less games with him especially in the west, so having him as a serviceable player means nothing, and theyre not going to sign him. So there is nothing good for the Kings in this trade.
    The main point im trying to point out is that the Kings will be in much better position to rebuild, get cap space, and receive better value for their players, when Artests and Bibbys contracts are in their expiring years, because theyre not that much over the cap and its best for their future to wait until then to make a trade, thats why Kings havent moved them for expiring contracts already.

  • ab4sure

    Well Said, BEC.

  • Shaq786

    Listen guys i dont want to keep going back and forth on this…

    i made 2 points and it wasnt even taken, they i inteded for it

    1.)when you get 2 mill under the cap… you can sign any player you want for whatever contract…. EVEN IF ITS A CENT UNDER… I understand that they wil shoot right back above the cap when sigining k-money… but they can wait to do that until after the sign a free agent.. so do you guys understand that??

    2.)when i said the big pic… i was saying that after knoicking a deal ricky davis… sac can deal bibby to miami for jason williams… which means they will get about 15-16 in cap relief TOGETHER…

    its simple… if they trade davis… they are going to go into rebuilding phase which means they will trade bibby as welll

    IMAGINE… TRADING ARTEST FOR RICKY DAVIS… AND BIBBY AND for Jasson will and M.Doleac

    than going for a player like okafur in the off season and re-sigining j.will and davis

    j.will/k-money/rickydavis/okafur/brad miller …. so is it that bad of an idea??????

  • PHANTOM

    [quote comment="13405"]Listen guys i dont want to keep going back and forth on this…

    i made 2 points and it wasnt even taken, they i inteded for it

    1.)when you get 2 mill under the cap… you can sign any player you want for whatever contract…. EVEN IF ITS A CENT UNDER… I understand that they wil shoot right back above the cap when sigining k-money… but they can wait to do that until after the sign a free agent.. so do you guys understand that??

    2.)when i said the big pic… i was saying that after knoicking a deal ricky davis… sac can deal bibby to miami for jason williams… which means they will get about 15-16 in cap relief TOGETHER…

    its simple… if they trade davis… they are going to go into rebuilding phase which means they will trade bibby as welll

    IMAGINE… TRADING ARTEST FOR RICKY DAVIS… AND BIBBY AND for Jasson will and M.Doleac

    than going for a player like okafur in the off season and re-sigining j.will and davis

    j.will/k-money/rickydavis/okafur/brad miller …. so is it that bad of an idea??????[/quote]

    DUDE YOUR DREAMING IF YOU THINK SAC WILL DO THAT!!!!

  • PHANTOM

    BEC IS RIGHT ON THE MONEY. SHAQ786 HAS NO CLUE

  • raphaelr

    does anyone know of a site that has comps like these, where judges have a clue?

  • gspence001

    shaq has the right idea

    and a lot of pepole think that we should get pau and artest

    THAT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN

    if we hardly have the right tools to trade for KG or JO* that we probably dont have enough to get 2 superstars on seperate teams

  • MILO

    Ha ha ha!this is getting all u guy’s at each others throat’s this is great!!!!!!

  • ab4sure

    Shaq…Sactown would never give up Artest for Davis…unless he strangled his wife to death then they might be tempted. lol..anyways your other trade of Bibby for J. Williams and Doleac is another losing trade for Sac. They would be better riding out their contracts and then taking the cap space and developing their younger players.

  • MILO

    JordanT is the winner in my book’s!!!!!!!!!!

  • MILO

    Id rather go after Mike Miller, id get rid of Vlady and a filler or two.I personaly dont care too much for Pau or Artest!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Shaq786

    Milo… do you think other teams want v.rad????

    wow…

    ab4sure and bec… you guys are the experts i guess….so i just shut up

    i jus want to ask you guys one last question… WHY THE HECK IS RON ARTEST EVEN ON THE BLOCK?

    just give me that last answer… than we straight…

    and milo… who is your hook up????

  • ab4sure

    No your the expert. You won. I just think your AK47 and Okur trade was the best and most creative and that is the trade I would have given you 1st place for, Sincerely. One question for you, why would Sac trade Artest for Davis? Forget cap reasons, because both are in the last year with Artest having his opt year. What value do you see in Davis over Artest? Look at their stats….then realize that Artest is one of the best defenders in the league. Frankly, I don’t think the judges looked at that situation. YOu and they placed too much value on NO D Rioky.

  • ab4sure

    I think this challenge has proven one important point. Mitch Kupchak is not that bad a GM.

  • Shaq786

    FOR THE RECORD,…r.davis has defense, actually better than average defense… and way better defense than luke walton…. but just not as good as the defensive stud, ron artest

    im happy with … kwame, maurice, and a second round pick for ricky davis, and trenton hasell

  • Lakers724

    Hey, can you show us at least like the top 25 or 30 or something Cyrus, plz…I just also wanna know how many points I got and how I ranked with all the other contestants! PLEASE?!!!!!!

  • ab4sure

    So I take it you agree that Sac would never trade Artest just to get Davis????

  • PHANTOM

    All i know is that we have to get rid of kwame. If this is the lineup we keep we HAVE to devolop bynum. By Devolping i mean give him serious minutes. Do not waste the minutes on no-heart brown!!! Even if he strugles the FO must stand by there decision to keep him and they must play him so he can develop. What we cant have happen is keep brown and give him 20 minutes a game. If that happens the lakers will die in mediocracy first round and out hell!!!

  • PHANTOM

    [quote comment="13418"]FOR THE RECORD,…r.davis has defense, actually better than average defense… and way better defense than luke walton…. but just not as good as the defensive stud, ron artest

    im happy with … kwame, maurice, and a second round pick for ricky davis, and trenton hasell[/quote]

    Hey do you have any of that weed left that you must be smokin? ricky davis plays no d and never has!!!

  • BEC

    Shaq786,
    Yes, Ron Artest is on the block because they need to rebuild. But rebuilding and doing that trade now wouldnt be their best option, to me its no better than waiting out their contracts, worse actually. Lets say Kings do that trade and Bibby. Theyll still have three, three years of massive veteran contracts in Miller, Thomas, and Shareef, with those there they wouldnt be in a good position to be rebuilding until 2 years until they can trade them or wait until they expire, thats about 24 mill in salary. And if im not mistaken there arent any good free agent stars in 2008, that are willing to enter a rebuilding stage, other than servicable players that they dont really need. Dont even give me Okafar, hes a restricted free agent, i doubt he’ll take less money to go to a crappier team in a beefed up west, and MJ wont let him go.
    Unless they can get young talent theres no reason to trade them now. The best option, if they dont get young talent for Artest and Bibby, is too just let their contracts expire, and in that year theyll have 16-18 mill in cap space, plus 22-24 mill in expiring contracts, to me thats the best option they have if they cant get young talent for their vets, good cap space and expiring contracts, that would be the best time to rebuild.

  • JordanT

    [quote comment="13413"]JordanT is the winner in my book’s!!!!!!!!!![/quote]

    Yeah mine too!!!!!

    Ha well i was being an idealist and just goofy. No way we would get Kevin Martin, and not many teams would take Vlad for free with the contract attached to him…well if u look at how he performed last year anyway….. If you try and remember he was a pretty good impact player once and I love having him on the team when I play NBA Live 07

    Anyway… I figured they would junk out 2 points for the

    Suitability to other teams: 2 Points -Rule..

    not sure where else I went wrong though hahaha

    Congrats Shaq786!

    PS….my team would whoop your team’s booty! XD

  • JordanT

    And thnx MILO lol

  • MILO

    Shaq786, ofcourse no one want’s Vlady! that’s the reason why i want to dump our trash on the Queens.Now if you honestly think that i would consider Vlady to have any value then why would i try and trade him.I was just comparing the sorry player that Vlady is as oppose to Miller.Unlike you, im not a wanabe GM.SO PLEASE SHAQ786 YOU TELL ME WHO YOUR HOOK UP IS BECAUSE I DONT HAVE NONE YOU DRUG ADDICT.WHY MUST YOU PROMOTE YOUR DIRTY HABITS ON THIS GREAT WEBSITE

  • MILO

    GET OVER YOUR SELF SHAQ786!!!!!!

  • MILO

    I’ll tell you what guy’s, let’s just wave our magic wands and make Sacramento and Memphis take our thrash and give up their good players ha ha ha!keep dreaming……….

  • raphaelr

    [quote comment="13453"]I’ll tell you what guy’s, let’s just wave our magic wands and make Sacramento and Memphis take our thrash and give up their good players ha ha ha!keep dreaming……….[/quote]

    is this the same wand mitch said never existed?