I’ve always been hesitant in trading Farmar for Kidd but in the long run, it is Kidd that we are talkin’ about, right? Sound-off in the comments and tell us what you think!

Press Enterprise: The Lakers have made more overtures about acquiring Jason Kidd, but the Nets weren’t interested in the offer, according to the New York Post.

The Lakers reportedly offered Kwame Brown and his expiring $9 million contract, Jordan Farmar, Sasha Vujacic, Chris Mihm and a No. 1 draft pick.

The Lakers weren’t willing to make Lamar Odom part of the deal, just as they wouldn’t give up Andrew Bynum when the Lakers tried to acquire Kidd last season.

The Nuggets, reportedly offering Marcus Camby and draft picks, are considered the front-runners if Kidd is dealt.

Related:
The Truth About Jason Kidd to Denver

  • Michael_23

    The Nets would still be a good team if they accepted the Lakers offer. They would have a solid PG and a defensive center.

    With Denver they are just getting a defensive center and a rebounder. That team would be twice as worse with no PG to command the ball and plays.

    Lakers are on a roll now, I think they can beat any team right now except Spurs or Celtics on the road. Jason Kidd would “maybe” put them over the hump but I like the team now. LO just needs to be more consistent as well as Sasha and Luke. They are all showing shades of consistency as of late and that’s good.

  • http://nba.com IMmichael

    i would of loved it j kidd starting with fish backing him up and critt

  • Lakers 24 7

    hell no, forget Kidd, we were about to trade Bynum for Kidd, and Look at Bynum now, Keep Farmar, forget Kidd, its going to mess up the rotation and take a while for Kidd to get used to the new players. WE ARE GOOD WITH WHAT WE HAVE NOW!!

  • mikedeezy2k8

    i dont get the big hytpe around j-kidd, i know hes a all star point gaurd, but will we really be that much improved? i mean we should be shopping around for another good big man to help bynum out.

  • http://www.lakers.com Billy Kupchak

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    AGREED! We have the right combination of guards in our lineup right now as it is, so there’s no reason to mess up the chemistry we are riding right now, right?

  • Jimmy

    How many years would we get with Kidd anyway? 1 or 2 max? I think this team can compete now, but they might even be a year away from being championship contenders. If anything, we are weak at the PF position. A guy like Carlos Boozer, who can take the mid range jump shots, would be a nice addition. Boozer is asking for too much, but you know… along those lines. If Kwame could just catch the F#$king ball now and then, the Lakesr would be solid with him at back up Center/PF.

  • http://www.mr47.com mr47

    Man, farmar starts to do well and all of a sudden he is trade bait? Farmar is extremely quick and cuts very well, he is the best in our bench. His 2nd year and he’s already showing signs of growth (better 2nd year so far than bynum’s second year), yet you want to trade the guy?

    Jason Kidd is great and I love kidd. The problem is that he is aging and doesn’t have that many years left. We have great momentum now and we are talking about giving up several players. We aren’t having trouble at the PG, why doesn’t anyone understand this? Fish + Farmar with Critt in the incubator is solid. No need to change things up.

    DONT do it mitch.

  • nyla

    Trade half our team for one title? No thank you. Anyone who wants to trade for these old geezers needs to turn on NBATV right now! (Game’s over now, but you get my point. haha) Do you want to be Miami in 2 years? I don’t.

    He’s a triple double is useless here in LA. We don’t need the rebounds, we don’t need his D cause it isn’t much better than any of our guards, we definitely don’t want his poor jump shooting, and he’s no less injuring prone than the hated on Lamar. His leadership is really overrated. He can’t even get a solid team in New Jersey anywhere right now…and thats in the east.

    If we get Kidd, we’ll most likely lose our bench and Kwame. Our bench is the main reason we are doing so well right now. If we get mess up chemistry and lose all that energy. Old guys don’t give you a spark, young guys do. Why you think Farmar worked his butt off this off season and is playing so well? Cause we drafted competition. And I can’t stand Kwame sometimes, but he is a solid defender. And we need someone like him if we’re going to go anywhere in the playoffs. (Don’t get me wrong, I’d trade Kwame in a minute. But not for a guard)

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  • gugy

    We don’t need Kidd, we have very good and solid PGs.
    We need Artest, I’ll repeat, Artest. He will play monster defense and he is also a good shooter. He is the man we need. Can we get him getting rid off Kwame and one more guy? Shasha or Luke?

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  • lakerschamps08

    hahah well if nj accepts denvers crapy offer they would be stupid….. but why does denver need another pg i mean kidd,AI,melo…hmmmmmmm we’ll still beat em.but our trade is way better we give u a good pg i think 3 expiring contracts in next two years…watever but we dont need it now

  • kobe

    trade my left nut for kidd NOW

  • http://hellbydante.deviantart.com hellbydante

    denver can have him… we have a solid triangle vet in fisher and an up can coming star in farmar.. hope mitch doesn’t do anything stupid before the trade deadline… all we need now is one more solid player.. preferably another versatile forward..

  • keep24

    I agree that we don’t NEED J-Kidd, but if we could get him for Lamo, Vlad Rad, Sasha and picks than we should do it.

    I don’t understand why the Lakers insist on not trading LAMO Odumb.

    WHY?????????

  • LAKERS 4 EVER

    WTF?????? NO THIS TRADE IS PREPOSTEROUS THIS IS A BAD TRADE FOR US I ONLY SAY THIS BCUZ OF LAMAR ODOM AND JORDAN FARMAR I WOULD NOT GIVE NEITHER OF THEM FOR KIDD NOT EVEN JAVARIS CRITTENTON FOR KIDD I HOPE THIS TRADE NEVER HAPPENS SCREW KIDD WE DON’T NEED HIM ESPECIALLY NOT IF IT MEANS GIVING UP THESE PLAYERS (ODOM, FARMAR, CRITTENTON) FOR HIM

  • Rpoc

    The trade doesn’t even work. Morons need to learn the rules of the CBA.

  • lakersfan17

    Haha, the Nuggets in the lead with that horrible trade?Please the Nets would never ever do that.If they trade Kidd they would want young guys to re build around in the future.Camby is old and probably would suck in a few years.Looking at all the trades scenarios that I have read the Lakers have the best offer out there.If you look at what the Cavs had it was just pathetic and the Nuggets offer absolutely makes no sense for the Nets, seriously the Laker trade is by far the best.

  • http://hhb PHANT0M

    U guys know u would take that trade.

    Hell The only thing we’d be losing if farmar{Brown N Sasha/Mihm Suck}
    Anyways no bynum and kobe involved, i think that would be a good trade.
    defintely put us at a championship contention..

    but our present team is a force to be reckoned with.

    So we’ll let the chips fall as dey may..

  • bapehead5

    forget all that i wanna see SHAQ DIESEL in a lakers jersey again

  • 123KID

    puh-lease! thats such a joke for the nuggets to get kidd. kidd is not willing to play with k-mart, iverson, and melo.

  • Edward

    I hope Denver gets J-Kidd, they already have a PG filled by Iverson, so getting J-kidd wouldn’t really help them, and since in they’re in our division, it wouldn’t make a difference. J-kidd would be happy, and we’d be happy whenever we beat Denver because without Camby… Bynum can have his way with anyone on that team.

  • ab4sure

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    now i was thinking the same thing. good point

  • Vahe

    First off, I’d say that Kidd is not going anywhere in my oppinion. No team in the NBA would want his expiring over-paid contract to get one triple double every couple games. He’s a great player but isn’t good with changes. When Nets got Vince they played horrible. Imagine with a bigger name, Kobe and Kidd with Bynum and Odom on the side. We would give up Farmar and Sasha a pick and a random throw-in player. The trade would work but I agree lakers would be Miami in a year (losing)

  • http://www.lakers.com Billy Kupchak

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    Denver Nuggets are NOT in the same division as the Lakers. What you probably meant was the same conference, but giving you the benefit of the doubt would be FAR TOO MUCH credit for a moron like you Edward. Happy holidays idiot! :-D

  • Edward

    Who is this Billy Kupchak kid? For someone I don’t know, and someone online… you talk way too much trash. State your opinion, this is a comments section, try not to start drama, and yes I was wrong by saying division, thanks for correcting me. Way to be mature in the way you did it, just because I use the wrong term doesn’t mean I’m an idiot. But if you would like to jump to conclusions and be a judgmental prick go ahead.

  • gugy

    so much love in this blog!

  • lakerschamps08

    this is great another trade talks where lakers if u ask almost anybody have the best offer and we r not gonna get the player;example for KG,JO AND NOW KIDD well this is just great…and its a lot of fun.. but kobe should be MVP this year and if he is not then the voters just hate KOBE…
    WHY NOT GET KIDD ALL WE BE LOSING IS FARMAR LIKE PHANTOM SAID….

  • LakerzFanatik

    Forget Kidd
    With the way Miami is playing maybe we can trade for Haslem…
    He is a true power forward, plays physical D, rebounds well, has a nice jumper, and has played well against the premier forwards in the league…
    What do you all think?

  • RD

    u guys are saying “its just farmar” like farmar is a below decent player. farmar has alot of potential and some of u have failed to realize that. id rather have a 2nd year player with a bright future, with only a mill salary, then a 34 year old, slowed down, 20 mill player, who we would have to gut are team to get, and only has 2 years in the tank. DONT DO IT!

  • http://www.thelakersnation.com Fred A.

    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NO KIDD!!!!!
    Farmer is way better than Kidd and that is a fact.
    Kidd is a nobody just like Steve Trash for the Suns.
    Do not even think about it Mitch.

  • LA Writer

    We need Artest are pg is fine for now and besides Kidd will not be as succesfull in the triangle offense as he could be with the Nuggets, but Kidd doesn’t equal championship, Artest could.

  • Jbreezy

    Kidd could put of over the hump and be an elite Western Conference team. But giving up Farmar is hard for me to swallow. He is a up and coming young PG.

    But Kidd going to Denver doesn’t make sense. They already have A.I. at point, so why get Kidd? They would give up their best defensive center in Camby? Wow, that’s really dumb. That would make Denver really soft in the middle allowing teams like the Spurs(Duncan), Rockets(Ming), Lakers(Bynum), etc… to totally dominate them in that spot.

  • Jimmy

    Everyone is in agreement… Kidd is too old. The Lakers aren’t on the level yet of SA and getting Kidd doesn’t solve this issue. Too bad we whooped on the Kings so much that they won’t deal Artest to us. LOL… who am I kidding… I love it!

    All I know is NJ and Indiana are now stuck with overpaid vets who often get injured. I wouldn’t even give up LO for JO at this point. The only players I’d try to deal are Crit, Kwame, Vlad. If you can somehow package them for JO and some fillers, great. Throw in a pick if you have to.

  • BryantBynum

    the lakers would not be miami in 2 years with this trade. The bench players are not as good as the ones that the heat gave up last off-season (other than Farmar). Plus the lakers would still have Andrew and kobe and j-critt even if kidd is done by that time. however it seems the NJ is not going to accept that deal anyways. It would be even better for us if we gave up odom because we would not have to give up as many players. We would likely give up odom, and kwame or mihm. If we pulled the trigger the lakers would have kobe, kidd, and Bynum. 2 all-stars and 3 scoring options. we would definitely be a contender.

  • Flush Odumb

    Kidd is way overrated. I wouldn’ waste my time with him.

    New Jersey is out of their minds – they want to gut another team for this guy who has what? two years left? After that we are hosed. The only way I would get Kidd would be as a free agent. Under no circumstances would I trade

  • Flush Odumb

    Kidd is way overrated. I wouldn’ waste my time with him.

    New Jersey is out of their minds – they want to gut another team for this guy who has what? two years left? After that we are hosed. The only way I would get Kidd would be as a free agent. Under no circumstances would I trade Farmar, Ariza, Crit, Turiaf, or Bynum. I hope no other team trades with New Jersey and they end up with nothing!

  • Ed

    Forget kidd. Trade for Artest. Our Pg’s Are locked up, We just need a power forward that can score and rebound.

  • http://hhb PHANT0M

    Turiaf and Crit?^^??
    I would trade them if the deal was arranged right.

  • mamba24

    well we cant be miami in 2 years as Bynum will be 22 kobe will be 31 and critt will be 21 and a good PG…kidd wont affect us badly he will be good for us…farmar is talent but i feel critt is better

  • David

    You guys have to realize something. We are playing to win now, not 5 years from now. With Jason Kidd we are a serious contender now. The only player we are really giving up is Farmar. You guys complain that Kidd is too old. He’s 34 and still playing at a high level. Hell, John Stockton plaid excellent basketball until he was 40+ so whose to say Kidd can’t? Also to say that we would be the next Miami is a positive. They made a trade for an aging Shaq and what happened? Exactly, because you play to win now. So let’s say we make this trade and we win the title the next 3 years straight was it worth the risk? Absolutely. YOu play to win now. Not when pigs fly, now! Also Miami’s entire core was old. Zo, Shaq, payton. We would only have one guy and that is Kidd, and who has a replacement in Crittenton in a few years.

    The biggest downsiside to this Trade is our lack of big men. Bynum would have to play 40+ minutes a game and his backup would be in Ronny who isnt even a center. The PG position is fine with fish backing up Kidd.

  • Flush Odumb

    OK, David if it was up to you, which player do we trade for Artest or Kidd?

    Are you more willing to give up Lamar (for Artest) or Farmar, garbage (i.e., Kwame, Sasha, Mihm), a number 1 pick, and someone else (because the Nets still want more) for Kidd?

  • Flush Odumb

    It seems to me Stockton was a heck of a lot more productive than Kidd. He could consistently score, make threes, was a lot quicker, and was better on defense. If Kidd was one the same level as Stockton, I think I would make the trade, but I’m not so sure he is all that great. He’s good, but I don’t see him as a the one player to get us past the Spurs.

  • gugy

    We don’t need Kidd, We did prior to the season because we had Smush, but now with Fisher, Farmar and Crit we are OK.

    We need Artest, a monster of defensive player. He will be what the Lakers need this season. Next season let’s get another quality veteran as free agent and we can say contender for sure.

  • David

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    Kidd is still getting a triple double every other game it seems like so that’s pretty productive to me. As for the trade. As much as i can’t stand Lamar I think we have a better chance of winning with him, kidd, bynum and Kobe, than we would with kobe, artest, and bynum. The only real upside to Odom is his rebounding and his numbers go up in the playoffs.

  • deemac1

    I would trade for Kidd just not with Jordan Farmar in the deal. All the other pieces are good (Kwame,Sasha,Mihm,1st pick)but Farmar is way too much. We need his leadership to the second unit. True Fish will come off the bench to lead the second unit but are we talking 1 title or more down the road? Kidd and Fish probably only have 3-4 more years left,then we are stuck in the mudd with no veteran pg. By that time Farmar will be an allstar pg in this league.

  • MILO

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    well said

  • BryantBynum

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    what makes you think the nets would trade kidd for just mihm, kwame sasha and a #1 pick if they didn’t even accept it with farma?

  • http://frankthetank.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/kobe-bryant-bulls.jpg JoJo

    all that garbage for Kidd?hahahhahhahhahha

  • http://hhb PHANT0M

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    Totally agree.
    Why wait?
    Kobe won’t be playing at this level at he his now..

    And An odom,Bynum,Kobe,Kidd
    CombO?
    You wouldnt take that?
    U MUST BE DELUSIONAL..
    I know your all thinking of the future, but u never know if bynum and farmar can lead this team like kobe and shaq did..

    Lets get to the higher echelon and lets get to it NOW.

  • Tim

    i think we should get Artest, put Lamar at PF he can pull down those rebounds like nothing and hes starting to score some too

    PG: Derek Fisher
    SG: Kobe
    SF: Artest
    PF: Lamar
    C: Bynum

    id rather get Artest than Kidd

  • LakersFirst

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    I totally DISAGREE!!

    Look at Miami right now. Sure they won one championship but look at them now. They have become the worst team in the East (and the East is pathetic) and one of the worst teams in the league.

    The goal of any NBA team is to win but also you want to contend EVERY year so you do NOT want to sacrifice the possibility of contending every year for just one or two years of possible success (that’s not thinking long term. That’s thinking Miami-like, i.e. short term). Miami is NOT in a positive scenario, despite what you and David think. They are F’D, big time.

    Secondly, with Kidd, you’re assuming that the Lakers are instant contenders, however, by getting Kidd, based on the trade that was presented, you would be sacrficing most of your big men (David even said so), and big men in the NBA don’t necessarily grow on trees, so NO, I don’t agree that by getting Kidd you’d be instant contenders. Bynum would have to play 40+ minutes per game. Sure he’s had a great season so far, but what if he gets injured, which by playing 40+ minutes per game increases that likelihood. Then what? The Lakers would be screwed, that’s what.

    I for one would NOT give up Farmar for Kidd. You want to take a 34 year old aging guard (who’s had knee surgery. Stockton never had any type of knee surgery) who makes $20M per year for a 20 year old Farmar who can play on your team for the next 10+ years, not to mention Farmar is going to be one hell of a player (he’s the closest thing in the NBA to Tony Parker right now).

    Again, I’ve said it before, why have the San Antonio Spurs been good for so long? Because their core Parker, Ginobili, and Duncan were paired together when they are all relatively young (hell, Parker is still young). A team that can compete for 10+ years is far more desirable than a team that only competes for 1 or 2 years (just ask Miami right now).

  • ab4sure

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    Many of these same people that say we have to win NOW, said we have to trade Bynum and LO for JO NOW. DO IT NOW!!!!!! That would have been a HUGE MISTAKE!!!! Should we listen to them??? Unfortunately, they are still around and will have an access to a computer. As for as the now question, Right NOW we can make a case that the Lakers are better than every team in the West except the Spurs. So the real question is would the lakers be better than the spurs in a seven game series??? Can Kidd stop Tony Parker??? NO!!! Way too quick. Can Parker stop Kidd??? Yes, just let Kidd shoot. He is a poor shooter. Other positions either the spurs have a advantage or the lakers. Duncan, Ginobli, and Parker have been playing together for years and that would make a huge difference. Yes KIdd brings us vet leadership and savy but he also comes to a new system and cannot dominate the ball as he does with the Nets. The point is the Spurs would still be favorites. If Kidd was 32 I would definitely say yes, but he very close to retiring.. 2-3 years. Comparing him to Stockton is unfair because Stockton played in one sytem and excelled at it. He didn’t go to another team at the end of his career. He would have been less effective. As far as kobe getting old, he is only 29. He can play for another 7-8 years especially when he has Bynum now to carry his Ass in the last few years of his career. Just like Magic did for Kareem. That is if Bynum doesn’t go to mgmt. and say to them to “ship kobe’s ass out”. And like mentioned earlier we would have to go get another big man to shore up our frontcourt.

    BOTTOM LINE SPURS STILL BETTER THAN THE LAKERS!!!

  • Tim

    ^ we have a pretty young team and there is no way we can be one of the worst teams all of a sudden, i mean, we win a championship this year, next year, Kobe will still be Kobe, Bynum will still be Bynum, theres pretty much no change, Kidd is in good condition, Shaq is falling off due to him being overwreight and old at the same time, hes also a big man, for the Lakers nothing will change in 3-4 years unlike Miami whether we get Kidd, or if we dont get Kidd

  • BryantBynum

    we wont be giving up all of our youth. we would still have Bynum and Java. we should definitely do it!

  • Edward

    I don’t see how Kidd can really help. His style of play would throw everything off sync. Right now our D is good because everyone is used to their positions, and can compensate for each other. Kidd would mess up both the offense and defense. He would not fit a triangle offense, no matter how good he is right now, the triangle would make him worse, hold him back. On D, Kidd would let point guards drive into the lane, creating more opportunities for the dish to an outside shot or Bynum getting a foul. Right now, Fisher plays enough physical D to slow down any PG in the league, or at least give them trouble. Farmar is fast as speedy gonzales, at the suns game, he did badly against Nash, but did played great D against Barbosa, who is known for his speed and quickness. I’m not saying Kidd is not a good player, of coarse he’s good. But how much can he really help us? With him coming to LA, he would certainly cause adjusting for himself and for the Laker team, causing us to lose a couple of games, and who says with him we’ll be better? I believe the lakers are one player away from getting to a contending level. But how much better can the PG position get than D Fish and Farmar? D fish is a pretty good scorer, has that vet decision making, and plays great D. Farmar gets his teammates involved, brings energy off the bench, and leads the second team to do well. The lakers as a team, looking at them from a position perspective are pretty good.

    PG – Fish / Farmar / Critt
    SG – Kobe / Sasha/ Coby
    SF – Ariza / Walton / Radmanovic
    PF – Odom / Turiaf / Brown
    C – Bynum / Mihm

    Now compared to other teams, the only place we could use improvement are is the PF / C position, cus Odom can always go SF and do well with the size mismatch, but with PF / C, if Bynum gets in foul trouble, or gets injured, we are in trouble, cus Brown and Mihm can’t fill Bynum’s shoes. Also, for the PF position, Turiaf and Brown aren’t the best. But PG is good enough, SG… kobe enough said, and SF is good with a variety of decent players, with a 3 shooter, a overall, and an athletic mofo who now owns Grant Hill, and if needed Lamar who gets boards and around 10 points a game.

    In conclusion:

    In my opinion we can’t really make the PG position on the lakers much better, the SG is set with Kobe, the SF can be filled with whatever we need. PF is weak. C is risky if Bynum gets in trouble. So the perfect addition to our team would be a PF / C. Someone like a better version of Kwame, JO for instance, who has been doing better. Elton Brand would be the best though. I think what the Lakers need is just overall performance from each position, like the Spurs, and old Suns, a solid team with options at every spot on the court. The Lakers have that right now, but it could be strengthened with an addition of a PF / C

  • http://www.mr47.com mr47

    Everyone who keeps talking about our future is ignoring the fact that Kobe may not even be here. Are you guys seriously that confident that the kobe saga is over?

    Trading our future PG in farmar for an aging kidd….and an unstable kobe….equals what? In 3 years we have no farmar, kidd, or possibly even kobe? Give me a break guys, farmar for kidd is not a good trade. Jason Kidd is great and all, but he will be learning a new system and his stats don’t convince me. It’s farmar’s second year and he looks good, let the boy shine.

  • http://www.mr47.com mr47

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    Agree 100%

  • LakersFirst

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    No offense to Java, but he hast yet to show something on the court. Yes, he played great in the summer but that’s the summer league and yes the coaches have raved about his at practive, but I would like to see him the court in the middle of actual NBA game before I would trade Farmar before Crit. When I have seen him play in an NBA game, he looks like a rookie that struggles. Farmar only has one year in the league over Crit and as of now, Farmar currently is the more polished NBA player.

  • lakerschamps08

    yea umm i think well ok wat happens we dont win and kobe retires as a laker but farmar and bynum still on team right and they are not gonna kobe-shaq or magic-kareem.. and they dont win a ship wat then huh???? wat then???? who do we blame now i mean we could blame the refs caz they probably gonna cheat us in the playoffs but come on get kidd or artest and keep farmar since most of u all want him… but wat if hes JUST a solid pg..

  • David

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    Jason Kidd is the type of basketball player that makes everyone better. If you put Magic Johnson on any basketball team would they get better? Of course! Jason Kidd is very similar. He will create easy baskets much like Steve Nash and I am willing to bet everyones numbers on the Lakers will go up. Great players find a way to adapt so in terms of ruining chemistry I doubt that would be a problem.

    Now a lot of you guys say he will be done in a few years. People have been saying that for the last 5 years and look at his numbers this year. He’s almost averaging a triple double a game on a team he doesn’t even want to play for! Players play well into their 40′s also. Stockton, Jordan, Malone, why not Kidd? Imagine what would happen if he was in the back court with Kobe. Greatest back court of all time hands down. Also, with Kidd on the team you guys still think Kobe will opt out or demand to be traded?

    The 3rd issue that is brought up is we would be ruining our future by getting rid of all our young players which is completely false. Bynum, Kobe, Lamar, Ariza, Walton, Javaris, all under 30 years of age.

    The only reason that I would be hesitant of doing the trade is we would be razor thin on big men. I wouldn’t want Bynum playing 40+ minutes a game.

  • http://www.mr47.com mr47

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    what makes you think kidd will continue on that long? Your guess is just as good as anyone as to how long anybody stays in the league. You know just as much about kidd staying than you do of anybody else in the league. Just because a player can do it doesn’t mean he will, and just because they have good stats doesn’t mean they will. Guys retire because they lose it, nobody knows whether kidd will maintain this level over the next few years.

    That being said, the majority of NBA players decline around that age. Putting Kidd in this category is not out of line.

  • http://www.mr47.com mr47

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    I agree man, I would be more inclined to let go of critt before farmar. Critt has potential but can only be a toss up right now, farmar is definitely more polished.

  • Rpoc

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    Dude, dude, you shouldn’t be bragging. Your coach got fired and all those Trulls fans are in full force making ish garbage ass trades for Wallace. I saw Ben Wallace for the Odom the other day and LAUGHED MY ASS OFF!!!

  • LakersFirst (Change) (Close)

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    You asked how come Kidd can’t play into his 40′s, unlike other players like Jordan, Stockton and Malone, Kidd has had kneed surgery recently. Jordan and Stockton did not have any knee surgeries in their 30′s, like Kidd has recently. Also, Malone was relatively healthy throughout his entire career until he sustained a knee injury with the Lakers and well…we all saw that at his age, its hard to come from injuries.

    Acquiring a 34+ year old point guard is a major gamble, that I for one would not be willing to bet on and sacrifice size and youth. The only thing the Lakers are missing is a solid power forward. If there is a true power forward available, I would seek to trade LO for him.

  • BryantBynum

    i dont know why the Nets would want Camby who is 33 and has 3 years left on his contract over Jordan Farmar, but anyways, if NJ insists on having Odom than we should give them Odom. Lamar Odom, Chris Mihm and a #1 would work financially. we would still have plenty of big men. Ronny would start at PF and Kwame would back up Drew at center. Fisher could than back up kobe at SG and Farmar could back up Kidd.

  • Rpoc

    Mihm has a fraking no-trade clause. Forget trading him. We’re stuck with the Texan.

  • http://hhb PHANT0M

    Not odom, for kidd…

    That won’t fly..
    Even though odom’s such a nuisance.. we’ll be short on the pf/sf
    and our rebounding would deplete drastically.

  • drake hunter

    i for one wouldn’t mind getting kidd, but i would prefer artest. Everyone thinks kidd is to old and overrated. that may be true but a few good things kidd brings to the table

    1. if kidd is our starter fisher is our backup which means a full game of veteran pg leadership( having a heady floor general equals big success in the nba
    2. Kidd can help mentor crit for the next two years, imagine crit with all his skills plus the tutoring of kidd and fisher, that my friend will be priceless. so in reality we get kidd for 2 years and a more developed crit sooner then expected.
    3.another veteran player that can help keep kobe from exploding and possibly staying with our franchise longer then 2 more years. Look at what fishers presence has done thus far.
    4. Defense, we get burned way to much by speedy pg, kidd may not have a great jumpshot but he’s a definate upgrade in our post game. he can dominate in the post which can really be effective for our team especially bynum who can get a lot of put backs.
    5. lastly he can help us draw my nba vets who might want to contend, after acquring kidd we still will have a lot of players we can deal…. think about it

  • drake hunter

    I don’t mean to hate on anyone, but its ridiculous for anyone to say that if we trade for kidd then we’ll end up being the heats in a next year or a few years

    1. we at least will still have kobe for another year or so, that alone will get us to 50% record
    2. miami has a problem scoring, we have phil jackson and the triangle which will help us produce points, its defense that can be a problem
    3. we still will have bynum and at least another elite all star in the future, due to the lakers legacy and our coach, plus alot of solid players from our current team
    4. our FO has done at least a decent job of drafting over the years so i’m sure they will do the same in the future.

    if we do deal for kidd it won’t cripple us in the future, i just don’t think the bynum/farmer can be a tandem that can lead usto the playoffs in the future, look at minnesota jefferson/telfair( farmer is better but he won’t be great)

  • cooleo24

    Why in the world would Denver want Kidd, they already have A.I. and AI is also willing get a extension..

    If Denver got kidd. Imagine there starting five if they moved AI to Shooting Guard.

    C-NEne
    PF-Kenyon MArtin
    SF-Carmelo Anthony
    SG-Allen Iverson
    PG-Jason Kidd

  • ab4sure

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    My only thought is melo and AI fight over who gets the ball. If they get Kidd, then kidd will be the one who chooses who gets the ball. Melo and AI have not yet learn how to share the ball yet.

  • drake hunter

    drake hunter
    Dec 27th, 2007 at 8:53 pm
    i for one wouldn’t mind getting kidd, but i would prefer artest. Everyone thinks kidd is to old and overrated. that may be true but a few good things kidd brings to the table

    1. if kidd is our starter fisher is our backup which means a full game of veteran pg leadership( having a heady floor general equals big success in the nba
    2. Kidd can help mentor crit for the next two years, imagine crit with all his skills plus the tutoring of kidd and fisher, that my friend will be priceless. so in reality we get kidd for 2 years and a more developed crit sooner then expected.
    3.another veteran player that can help keep kobe from exploding and possibly staying with our franchise longer then 2 more years. Look at what fishers presence has done thus far.
    4. Defense, we get burned way to much by speedy pg, kidd may not have a great jumpshot but he’s a definate upgrade in our post game. he can dominate in the post which can really be effective for our team especially bynum who can get a lot of put backs.
    5. lastly he can help us draw my nba vets who might want to contend, after acquring kidd we still will have a lot of players we can deal…. think about it

  • kevin el bryant olivas

    no al kidd ya sta bien bien ruco

  • BryantBynum

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    Why does Mihm have a no trade clause!? Chris MIHM!!!!!???

  • LakersFirst (Change) (Close)

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    Drake – allow me to break down your points.

    1. Ok Kidd and Fish as your point guards (after trading Farmar), you have no speed to keep up with Tony Parker or Steve Nash (Parker is the main concern). You’ve traded away your quickest point guard in Farmar so now Parker, Nash, and don’t forget Chris Paul and Deron Williams, are going to run circles around the slower, older, Kidd and Fisher. Secondly, you’re relying so much on Crit, who has yet to prove himself in the NBA, when you already have Farmar, who would probably start on other teams right now.

    2. This is an assumption and you’re resting your laurels on a player (i.e. Crit) who has yet to get significant playing time and prove himself on the NBA court.

    3. The Lakers FO is no longer trying to appease Kobe. They are done with that. Like Magic said last week, if Kobe wants to walk in 2 years, let him. The Lakers FO is trying to build a team that will compete for several years, even post Kobe Bryant.

    4. Your point #4 is thinking only of offense, but we all know, defense wins championships. Kidd is not a great defensive player and will get burned by players like Parker, Nash, Paul, and Williams (he doesn’t play against these type of guards in the East).

    5. Again, another assumption. You’re assuming that NBA vets are going to want to come here just because we have Kidd??? If that’s the case, why aren’t NBA vets jumping at the chance to play with Kidd in NJ with Vince Carter and Richard Jefferson? Why would you take this gamble and assume NBA vets want to play here when you already have players that can stay with the Lakers for 7 to 10 years (i.e. Farmar)?

  • Rpoc

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    He has a 1 year contract with bird rights after the season. He automatically gets to veto a trade or not with this type of contract.

    We stuck with the stiff.

  • Edward

    I almost forgot… we have Sun and Gasol… is there any way we could sign them now? I think Gasol would be a decent backup, he’s younger than Mihm, and could be a good backup and might show some potential like Bynum. As for Sun… just leave him… I think Coby is better than him. But yeah, if we trade our big men, we still have Gasol to consider.

  • LA Writer

    LakersFirst (Change) (Close)- allow me to break your points
    Drake – allow me to break down your points.

    1. Ok Kidd and Fish as your point guards (after trading Farmar), you have no speed to keep up with Tony Parker or Steve Nash (Parker is the main concern). You’ve traded away your quickest point guard in Farmar so now Parker, Nash, and don’t forget Chris Paul and Deron Williams, are going to run circles around the slower, older, Kidd and Fisher. Secondly, you’re relying so much on Crit, who has yet to prove himself in the NBA, when you already have Farmar, who would probably start on other teams right now.

    2. This is an assumption and you’re resting your laurels on a player (i.e. Crit) who has yet to get significant playing time and prove himself on the NBA court.

    3. The Lakers FO is no longer trying to appease Kobe. They are done with that. Like Magic said last week, if Kobe wants to walk in 2 years, let him. The Lakers FO is trying to build a team that will compete for several years, even post Kobe Bryant.

    4. Your point #4 is thinking only of offense, but we all know, defense wins championships. Kidd is not a great defensive player and will get burned by players like Parker, Nash, Paul, and Williams (he doesn’t play against these type of guards in the East).

    5. Again, another assumption. You’re assuming that NBA vets are going to want to come here just because we have Kidd??? If that’s the case, why aren’t NBA vets jumping at the chance to play with Kidd in NJ with Vince Carter and Richard Jefferson? Why would you take this gamble and assume NBA vets want to play here when you already have players that can stay with the Lakers for 7 to 10 years (i.e. Farmar)?

    I dont agree with the majority of your assumption just because it doesn’t make sense.

    We primarily are not a up and down team a la suns. The lakers run the triangle offense which doesn’t need a quick pg ( look at the Bulls they didnt have a good pg but won titles under the triangle offense.) C’mon what pressure on Crit. Kidd, and Fisher are smart defensive, and offensive players that can only teach Crit. and boost his confindence not hurt it. It helps to have a hall of fame coach as well.

    And your wrong about Kidd not being a good defensive player, same with Fisher. Kidd was on the All Defensive Team 8 times in his career most recently a year ago.

    In conclusion that, and in respect to both of you arguments i agree more with Drake. But to be honest Kidd doesn’t equal success.

    I now see why some people want Kidd, but to be honest Kidd will not make us a contenders, or for that fact that much better. If we commit to getting Kidd we will have little fire power (offensively), be confined be the limits of Jason Kidd by depending on his health and longevity. We might as well stay with our current unit.

    I said it a thousand times, but Artest is our missing piece cause a player with his caliber on both sides of the court can get us over the hump.

  • Flush Odumb

    None of these proposed trades seem to significantly help us to move us past San Antonio. New Jersey is out of their minds in what they want for the overrated and over aged Kidd. With his recent knee surgery he is no Stockton and his defense is suspect against the Tony Parker type guards in the league.

    We have a lot of marginally productive mediocre players (Odumb, Sasha, Luke, Brown-stain, Vlad Rad) but unfortunately other GMs aren’t standing in line to take our garbage. They want to raid all of our more promising young talent.

    At this point I would see how this season goes. We are doing a lot better than expected. At the end of the season we have some expiring contracts. Give the Lame-ar experiment one more season and if he is still searching for his game then it is time flush him along with the rest of the dung and hit the free agent market hard. At least with free agents we can keep our better players to build upon and we won’t be the ones getting screwed by GM’s like New Jersey’s and Kevin McAhole.

  • somelakerfan1

    farmar & bymun & javaris will be the future of lakers u cant trade farmar away plus we dont need kidd look kidd is 35 jordan is 21 jordan can play 15-20 years more for lakers kidd could play only wat 2 3

  • kgmvp

    We don’t need kidd but it would be bad for us if kidd ends up i denver. Melo,A.I. ad kidd that would bad for us.

  • lakersfan17

    If we trade for Kidd, Odom, Kobe and Bynum are untouchable.They could chose between Farmar and Crittenton, they could also chose between Walton and Radmanovic.
    Are line ups:A B C
    A
    C.Bynum
    PF Odom
    SF Ariza
    SG Kobe
    PG Kidd

    B

    C Bynum
    PF Odom
    SF Kobe
    SG Fisher
    PG Kidd
    Interesting line up here.

    C

    Bynum
    Odom
    Radmanovic
    Kobe
    Kidd

    I’ll prefer either A or C, but first will need Kidd.:)

  • Edward

    I think our garbage is always wanted. Look at how we got Ariza… I just hope we can find another GM that sees qualities… in… something we don’t want.

  • BryantBynum

    These are Stockton’s stats during the 97’98 season when he was 36 years old and the jazz went to the finals. 12.0 PPG 8.5 assists, 2.6 Rebounds and 1.4 stls. Jason Kidds stats this year at 34:11.0 PPG, 10.4 assists, 8.7 Rebounds and 1.7 stls. Kidd is having his second best year as far as assists, his best rebounding year, and a typical year in steals at around 2 a game. the thing Stockton has over Kidd is that he was a better shooter but Kidd has never been a great shooter so that does not have anything to do with his age. Kidd said himself that if he was with the lakers he would let Kobe have as many shots as he wants. What we get from Kidd is the best passing PG outside of Nash facilitating Kobe and AB. We also get the best rebounding guard in the NBA which doesn’t seem like much but is very valuable because when you have a ball handler getting a bunch of rebounds he can push it up the floor right away. We should get Kidd for anyone accept Kobe and Andrew, including Farmar, and even Odom. This trade would not only make us better for now but we will also be good for the future.

  • ab4sure

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    Right NOW we can make a case that the Lakers are better than every team in the West except the Spurs. So the real question is would the lakers be better than the spurs in a seven game series??? Can Kidd stop Tony Parker??? NO!!! Way too quick. Can Parker stop Kidd??? Yes, just let Kidd shoot. He is a poor shooter. Other positions either the spurs have a advantage or the lakers. Duncan, Ginobli, and Parker have been playing together for years and that would make a huge difference. Yes KIdd brings us vet leadership and savy but he also comes to a new system and cannot dominate the ball as he does with the Nets. The point is the Spurs would still be favorites. If Kidd was 32 I would definitely say yes, but he very close to retiring.. 2-3 years. Comparing him to Stockton is unfair because Stockton played in one sytem and excelled at it. He didn’t go to another team at the end of his career. He would have been less effective.

  • BryantBynum

    You can make a case that we are the best team in the west. But this team still has to prove it. If we get Kidd you cant say we wont be better than we are right now. I think this would make us a definite 2 seed. We might not be better than the Spurs but we will be closer.

  • BryantBynum

    second best team in the west. excuse me.

  • ab4sure

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    There are alot of questions with this trade, kidd’s health and contract, new style offense along with the new team, losing farmar, chemistry, lots of questions.

  • BryantBynum

    so are you saying we would be worse with kidd?

  • ab4sure

    I never said that but is making your team slightly better worth giving up a very important piece of your team now and in the future.

  • BryantBynum

    they will be more than slightly better. but doesnt the article say that the Nets want Lamar Odom?