This could possibly put the Pacers in desperation mode. Hmm…

NY Daily News: On June 28, the night of the NBA draft, Nets president Rod Thorn said he had received several “interesting” trade offers, one of which, according to sources, was a blockbuster that would have sent Richard Jefferson, Nenad Krstic and Jason Collins to the Pacers for Jermaine O’Neal.

Now, it appears the odds of the Nets making a major deal before the season begins in November are growing slim. Thorn said none of the trades he discussed with other executives just weeks ago are likely to happen, for now.

“They’re all dead,” Thorn said of the trade talks.

The O’Neal trade discussions could resume again but the Nets have already added a big man to their roster who is expected to make a major impact. After Mikki Moore signed with Sacramento on Friday night, they signed free agent center Jamaal Magloire on Saturday. Magloire is a one-time All-Star who averaged 13.6 points and 10.3 rebounds in 2003-04 with the Hornets. Magloire averaged 6.5 points and 6.1 rebounds last year for Portland.

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  • http://LOL ZACK

    1st NETS SHOULD HAVE TAKEN JO N SHAWN WILLIAMS 4 JEFF KRIS COLLINS

  • http://LOL ZACK

    LOL BUT ITS COOL JO 4 BYNUM LOL

  • http://WWW.GETGARNET.COM KOBE_FAN#24

    bring him to the lakers!!!! NOW!!!!!

  • KBisDarthVader

    Nets are expecting Magloire to make a “major impact?!?!” i guess its all relative….

  • KEEPbynum

    something should be posted about shammond officially signing with that team in spain. we all knew that he was going back overseas, but now that its official. well ya..

  • kgmvp

    If we don´t get KG then will just have to trade for JO were going to be lucky if the pacers will be intrested just to get bynum and fillers. One thing is for sure the lakers will make a blockbuster deal for sure.

  • http://Lakers.com Ed24

    If the Pacers get desperate to trade JO than they might agree to a trade that doesn’t include Bynum or Odom. That would make the Lakers the best team in the NBA. If we can pull off the three way trade rumor that is being discussed and get Garnett, and somehow get JO for nothing, than we would be the best team in the NBA for 5 to 8 years. Just a thought.

  • http://gmail.com Pedro La Pacas

    Hey fools,
    Let’s get JO, we can get him for less than KG and he is a better defensive player. Lakers all the way!

  • lakerfan81

    This is what I said a week ago except that Larry Bird said no offer was ever made. Either way it makes LA the only bidder on JO. It puts Indy in an tight corner if they are intent on moving JO. He has made it clear that he will opt out next year. Actually he said he will opt out no matter what team he is on, but I will guess that if he was given a 1ucrative extension he would reconsider. Something along the lines of 3 yrs 45M. The question remains is how desperate is indy. If they were really desperate then the Lakers could try to get Foster out of the trade as well. A Bynum, Odom, Cook, Vujacic (he will be a restricted FA next season so they can just remove the qualifying offer thus removing his contract from their payroll) for JO and Foster. Throw in a 2008 1st rnd pick. Then you have a duo at center of Foster and Brown; no offense but good defense and Foster is a great rebounder. Mihm could still be resigned at reasonably contract. If the Lakers had Foster and Brown he would lose all leverage making that a much more likely scenario. If Mihm came back strong then he could be used for depth purposes, or he could make Kwame a tradeable asset later in the season.

    It just depends on how much Indiana wants to move JO.

  • aaron

    bynum for jo do it mitch

  • nate

    if the Pacers are desperate, we could get him for scrubs and picks. i like Gasol, but if it comes down to KG and JO i take JO cause he’s the better defensive player. JO puts up decent #s, but when he’s healthy he could be better than when he had a run for the MVP award

  • AlexKB24

    Trade Odom, Cook, Evans And Our first Round Pick
    Then Trade Brown, Farmar for Artest
    It would MAKE our line up like this
    Bynum
    JO
    Artest
    Kobe
    Fisher

    thats a championship team

  • KBisDarthVader

    [quote comment=”7904″]This is what I said a week ago except that Larry Bird said no offer was ever made. Either way it makes LA the only bidder on JO. It puts Indy in an tight corner if they are intent on moving JO. He has made it clear that he will opt out next year. Actually he said he will opt out no matter what team he is on, but I will guess that if he was given a 1ucrative extension he would reconsider. Something along the lines of 3 yrs 45M. The question remains is how desperate is indy. If they were really desperate then the Lakers could try to get Foster out of the trade as well. A Bynum, Odom, Cook, Vujacic (he will be a restricted FA next season so they can just remove the qualifying offer thus removing his contract from their payroll) for JO and Foster. Throw in a 2008 1st rnd pick. Then you have a duo at center of Foster and Brown; no offense but good defense and Foster is a great rebounder. Mihm could still be resigned at reasonably contract. If the Lakers had Foster and Brown he would lose all leverage making that a much more likely scenario. If Mihm came back strong then he could be used for depth purposes, or he could make Kwame a tradeable asset later in the season.

    It just depends on how much Indiana wants to move JO.[/quote]
    this is the offer that was kicked around a few weeks ago. not a good trade for us. the price for jo has to be lower now that the nets are out of the running…we shouldnt have to take on a bad contract or give up both lo and ab

  • http://Lakers.com Ed24

    I have a question for the Nugget since he seems like the second most intelligent person on this site, behind me. If Indiana gets VERY desperate to trade JO, can we get JO without giving up Bynum OR Odom? Can’t we get JO for nothing but bench players, and than do the three way trade with Minny and Boston and GET Garnett?

  • KBisDarthVader

    ed,
    your last post makes it clear you are probably not even the most intelligent person in the room you are in right now.

    i like the wishful thinking, but the answer to your question is…

    NO.

  • http://Lakers.com Ed24

    i like the wishful thinking, but the answer to your question is…

    NO.

    Why Not?

  • lakerfan81

    [quote post=”540″]this is the offer that was kicked around a few weeks ago. not a good trade for us. the price for jo has to be lower now that the nets are out of the running…we shouldnt have to take on a bad contract or give up both lo and ab[/quote]

    I disagree. I do no think Foster is a bad contract. He is a great rebounder. He had one of the highest rebounding rates (5th) in the NBA. He is also one of the best offensive rebounders in the league
    (highest offensive rebound rate and 5th in OR/game at 3.4 in just 23 min/game). He is also a good position defender. He does not block a lot of shots but he is a good post defender, particularly in pick and roll situations. He will be out muscled by bigger/stronger Centers. But that can be overcome with JO on help defense. The down side is that he has been injured a lot in the past, but he played 75 games last year. If you can get Foster for Cook and Vujacic that is a good trade.

    The deal Indiana was offering the Lakers was for JO and Murphy.
    Murphy’s contract is horrible. That is a contract that no one should take from Indy. They will just have to be stuck with their mistakes.
    Obviously if you can get O’neal without giving up either Odom or Bynum then you do that trade, but if you have to do give up both why not get a quality back up big man like Foster in the trade as well.

  • KBisDarthVader

    first, because we dont have enough to offer in terms of talent or salary. assuming we could trade vlad, etc. for JO, they would have to take on close to JO’s salary in several player contracts, which they wouldn’t do. it would be better for them to let jo opy out and have the 20 mil in cap space next season

    second, imagine the fan uproar. how many people were calling for mitch’s head after the shaq trade, and mitch had no choice and no bargaining power…someone would have be fired from indy if they traded their 6-time allstar for a bunch of second rate roll players

  • Big D

    [quote comment=”7912″]ed,
    your last post makes it clear you are probably not even the most intelligent person in the room you are in right now.
    [/quote]

    Ha ha ha…made my day, but KBisDarthVader, did you consider he might have a hamster, gerbil, or rat in the room with him? Wait, no, those would still be more intelligent. I think he just might have an amoeba beat, but it would be close.

    As for JO, bottom line is, there is no deal we can make to get him that makes sense to both teams. We should never include Odom in a trade to get JO and the Lakers FO knows this.

    Personally, I don’t think JO is worth what he is paid right now.

    The only deal worth including both LO and Bynum (and Brown) for is KG.

  • kobeguru

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=981~2748~1016~2421~2383~615&teams=11~11~11~11~13~13

    Add a 2008 first rounded. Points round off evenly for both, seems good.

  • http://Lakers.com Ed24

    Fuck you Big D. What the fuck are you talking about, there is no trade to get JO that makes sense for both teams.STFU moron.

  • KBisDarthVader

    ab, kwame, and filler makes sense for both teams: indy gets a great prospect (or two) and cap relief, lakers become a true contender

  • Big D

    [quote comment=”7932″]Fuck you Big D. What the fuck are you talking about, there is no trade to get JO that makes sense for both teams.STFU moron.[/quote]

    Ed24, it is posts like this that make you look unintelligent for your lack of vocabulary, the fact that you need to curse to get your point across, and you it’s obvious you can’t read because you repeated what I just said.

    Now why don’t you run along and play on another board and let the adults have a mature discussion here as it’s obvious you can’t think of an original though to post.

  • Fatty

    JO is at the end of his max contract. Nobody but the Lakers has shown any interest in a 20 mil contract. He will cost you in matching salary, plus if you don’t get an extention from him and he leaves, you are out big time.

    I like a lot of his game, but not the part where he is hurt a bunch. After last year and all the missed games due to injuries, I would be afraid to commit so much to him and rely heavily on him playing day to day. Phil said we need a big that can play all season, unlike Kwame.

    Do the math. KG 22 mil JO 20 mil Kobe 19 mil = 61 (way over cap stuff) Adding up all that and I can’t figure how we make it work.

  • http://Lakers.com Ed24

    What the fuck are you talking about moron. Your whole post did not make any sense. When you can actually post something that make sense, let me know ’cause right now you’re looking like a jackass Big D.

  • Big D

    Yep, like Fatty said, he is, simply put, an overpriced accident waiting to happen.

    The ONLY way the Lakers should consider pulling the trigger on JO is IF (AND ONLY IF) 1) the KG deal is dead; 2) They don’t give up Odom; 3) He gives us some kind of indication he would like to stay with us (for less than he is making right now I might add).

  • KBisDarthVader

    [quote comment=”7945″]Yep, like Fatty said, he is, simply put, an overpriced accident waiting to happen.

    The ONLY way the Lakers should consider pulling the trigger on JO is IF (AND ONLY IF) 1) the KG deal is dead; 2) They don’t give up Odom; 3) He gives us some kind of indication he would like to stay with us (for less than he is making right now I might add).[/quote]

    if we can keep odom, we should make the trade even if, strike that, ESPECIALLY if, JO intends to opt out. assuming kg is staying put (a good assumption given minni has turned down our best offer and there are only a few places kg would agree to an extention in), it is a pretty good bet kg will opt out after this season.

    we would have a shot with kb, lo, and jo this season, and if it doesnt work, JO opts out and we have the money needed to make a run at kg…meaning a lineup of kb, lo, and kg next year…..filthy.

  • Fatty

    If the KG deal is dead which I think it is alive and well. Amen. I would consider taking on JO overpriced contract.

    But NO ODOM. Kwame, 9 mil Vladimir 6 Cookie 3.5 08 #1

    That’s it. If they are really desperate, which i think they are, we are in the driver seat. They lucky to get this.

    We start: Bynum – JO – Odom – Kobe – Fish

  • KBisDarthVader

    ab needs to be in the trade. otherwise they are better off taking the cap space next season (as opposed to paying vlad and cook…those are terrible contracts, terrible trade for INdy even if they are desperate

  • Big D

    [quote comment=”7949″]If the KG deal is dead which I think it is alive and well. Amen. [/quote]

    Amen & hallelujah!

    The KG deal is alive, well, screaming, and happening soon.

    The only reason we don’t hear anything about is the deal is going down in a vacuum.

    We won’t know anything about it until it is a done deal and the ink is dry.

  • lakerfan81

    Fatty, I hate to disappoint you, but there is no way Indiana will trade JO with out at least getting Bymum or LO in return. If they did your proposed trade they would be getting nothing in return; it would be better if they just let him opt out. If they become desperate they might be willing to take a trade of kwame, Bynum, Filler, 2008 1st rnd pick. At least that way they would be getting Bynum and a draft pick in return. I am not sure why Indiana wants Odom so badly anyways. IF they are rebuilding, which they are if they trade JO, then it makes more sense to get expiring contracts. I guess they might be thinking that Odom’s contract is up in two years when they have to extend Granger’s, so in the mean time Odom gives them a good player.

    A trade for JO can still work even if they do not budge from asking for both LO and Bynum. Odom Bynum for just JO is slightly overpaying (it can be argued that it is not, Punkjones has done so many times, quite convincingly too I might add). But if you were to get another quality player along with JO just by adding some filler contracts than it is no longer overpaying. I have suggested this trade before; Odom, Bynum, Cook, Vujacic, 2008 1st rnd pick for JO and Foster. Earlier I already stated why I think picking up Foster is a good idea, so I will not go into that again (if you want to know scroll up and read my previous post). I will add though that he will be a restricted FA next season so if he does not work out the Lakers qualifying offer can be waived thus dropping him from the payroll creating another expiring contract to go along with Brown’s. I think adding O’neal and Foster would greatly increase the Lakers defense and add depth to the front court. Even with out Odom I think that team could compete. The Lakers had the 7th most efficient offense at 110 pts per 100 possessions. The problem was that they gave up 110.5 pts per 100 possessions. So even if the offense suffered a little bit by trading Odom for O’neal, the increase in defense would more than make up for it.

    I would only trade for O’neal if he were going to sign a reasonable contract extension. Somewhere along the lines of 3 yrs 45M.

    IF he did not sign a contract extension then you can not trade for him. If you wanted to trade for cap space then just trading Odom makes more sense. If you trade Odom and Cook for Ratliff and Powe and minny’s 1st round pick (BOS) at the trade deadline that would give the Lakers about 13M in cap space (it might be a little higher) to sign a FA next season and fill in roster spots (thats after signing rookies, and signing Mihm this year assuming 57M as the cap). Possible FA next season with a tie to LA include Garnett, O’neal and Brand. They would all have to take a pay cut but one of them might be willing to in order to play in LA with Phil and Kobe.

  • fred0s

    Larry Bird is a fucking moron. He is not going to get what he wants for Jermaine O’Neal. He should just take what he can get. I say Lakers send Radmanovic, Brown and Bynum plus 2008 pic.

  • KBisDarthVader

    i say we send magic to play heads up against bird, winner sets the terms of the JO to LA trade

  • Fatty

    lakerfan81

    I understand your good logic. What I’m saying is that I’m not that excited about Jo and so would not offer much. Its more like if they take those pieces, then I would do the deal and take on JO’s contract. But like you said, his extention would have to be revised down to an acceptable figure. Now if he agrees to take like you said (3 years x 15 ) Then I would be willing to pay more. That would put the Lakers at or near lux tax levels and make for healthy financials.

    I hope KG comes and makes all this moot.

  • Fatty

    KBisDarthVader
    “i say we send magic to play heads up against bird, winner sets the terms of the JO to LA trade”

    Make it a pay per view and you got something. Winner keeps money for team.

    Bird vs Magic

    or make a tag team duo, add Kareem and Mchale

    I’d pay to see it, good idea

  • KBisDarthVader

    better yet: raja bell vs. kevin mchale in the octagon, prison rules…winner gets the title of “worst person ever associated with professional basketball”

  • Big D

    Bird vs. Magic…HA!

    We’d have to spot Bird 10 points in a game to 11 and even then I’d put my money on Magic.

    Magic will make that baby sky hook over Bird all day after he faked a pass to the ghost player and Bird fell for it each time.

    Magic/Kareem vs Bird/McHale…better spot them 10 points AND the ball.

    I would suggest spotting them Ange for a 3 on 2, but that would be unfair to Bird/McHale.

  • Big D

    [quote comment=”7981″]better yet: raja bell vs. kevin mchale in the octagon, prison rules…winner gets the title of “worst person ever associated with professional basketball”[/quote]

    Is Bill Laimbeer going to ref?

  • Fatty

    We could make it more interesting and give them weapons.

    Also no ref needed, no rules. Anything goes, if prison rules applies. Kareem knows Karate. Mchale said before he’s afraid to touch Magic cause he is HIV positive (No lie)

    This should be written into the next contract with the players. Under how to settle disputes.

  • punkjones

    LF81 –
    Thanks for the props! And I agree with you on the idea that getting Foster back would be a great move for the Lakers. I also like what people are throwing out there right now re: Bynum, Kwame, Cook and Sasha for JO. That’s nice too, although I personally worry a bit about the dependability/health as well as defense of having LO and JO in the same lineup. I don’t think JO ideally wants to play 5 and while we all have love/hate (more so hate really) for Kwame, the guy can really body it up in the post. As much as it still pains me to say it, I’d almost rather have the Cake Thrower to play alongside JO than Lamar. I know, I’ve just about lost any credibility I had by saying that, but I really like the idea of those two in the front court.

    And I’ve said the same thing LF81 has said re: Lamar and Indy, I just don’t understand why they are so hot on him. I get that they want Bynum. But at this point I don’t think it would take both Bynum and Lamar to get JO. From my point of view, which goes against what most are saying here, I’d rather see us keep Bynum and Brown, trade Lamar and someone else to make the numbers work, like Cook, and have a bunch of bigs on the team, instead of going almost small w/Lamar and JO in the frontcourt.

    If trade talk comes back though it seems that it will be one or the other, LO or Bynum and parts, not both. That could really work. I like trading Lamar because JO is just a better fit for the position of power forward.