Nation Discussion: Kobe vs. MJ in their primes; MJ says “no contest”

So the great taboo of basketball debating = Kobe vs. Jordan… well why bring it up then? Jordan was recently at his camp talking hoops to the next generation of ballers when one kid asked if Kobe would beat him in a game of one-on-one.

Jordan’s response basically was that Kobe would beat him now because hes “old,” but that if he were in his prime, it wouldn’t even be a contest. You can check out the video here…

Kobe lovers, Kobe haters, Jordan lovers, Jordan haters… SOUND-OFF! I’m taking KB24.

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  • gugy

    I hate this topic. is totally nonsense.
    Different players, different eras.

    We need to wait Kobe career to be over to have an assessment who is the best(very subjective) or the most accomplished.

    Right now is just hot air.

  • L.A.alltheway

    Kobe @ 29 > Jordan @ 29

    Maybe what he meant to say was

    Jordan @ 39 W/ Pippen > Kobe @ 29 By Himself?

  • lakrfan4life

    KB = greatest basketball player ever to have played the game

    “no contest” because he knows kobe would win…

  • kb24

    jordan iz frotin he no kobe would whip dat ass anything jordan can do kobe can do better

  • Lakers 24 7

    Mr.Jordan is just mad cuz he drafted KWAMAY!!!!

  • DCLAKER

    This just shows how GEAT KOBE really is ’cause he the only one anybody compares MJ to.

  • Bynum Bryant 09

    close game…kb24 wins

  • http://twitter.com/nugge7 The Nugget

    Oh oh! I think this post is gonna start something…

  • alan

    i kinda hate jordan for saying that now. the only reason he won six rings is that the competition in his era couldn’t compare to the competition kobe has now.

  • Vahe

    Well if he thinks that, let him think that. no one cares what this grampa thinks anymore. if he is still your favorite player then there is something wrong with you. if your favorite player isn’t kobe, lebron, dwight or CP3 you can’t say your player has a future for sure.

  • PGMVP

    I take Kobe

  • xtro

    I’ll take Kobe.

  • ricky

    now that miami has michael beasley, who will most likely start for them at power forward, i think the heat should trade udonis haslem to the lakers for vladimir radmanovic because they lack a good shooter except for james jones.

    it looks as if houston will probably acquire artest sooner or later. although highly unlikely, i wish the lakers could trade radmanovic to houston for shane battier straight up.

    the lakers can also look to make a trade with charlotte for nazr mohammed. both players have identical contracts with the same number or years remaining as well. this gives lakers more size at the forward/center backup position.

  • ab4sure

    If they both were attached to a lie detector Jordan would say himself and Kobe would say himself and one would be shown to be lying. The one with 6 rings, 6 mvps, dpoy, and no losses in the finals would be the guy telling the truth. You can’t go wrong with MJ.

    Some kid asked him the question, and MJ actually answered it honestly. He said kobe would win today becuase of age, but that he would if he was younger.

  • dub824

    haha MJs right. imma kobe fan but MJ would win. hes taller.. better defensively and just as good offensively, if not better, than kobe. kobe learned a lot of the things he knows now because of jordan

  • Lakers 24 7

    [Comment ID #47918 Will Be Quoted Here]

    Kobe and Jordan are both 6″6 bro lol

    Jordan could have said something like “Kobe is a great player but I would beat him one on one in our prime”…He could have complimented Kobe instead of just dissed him, knowing how much respect Kobe has for him.

  • lskerfan567

    how iz this an disccusion, MJ would own kobe and make kobe pay him every monday

  • http://bestplayerontheplanet.com chase

    you couldn’t pay me to believe in this one! No way. Kobe is a far superior offensive player. In a one on one game Kobe would absolutely kill Michael. Different era. These are different times. Kobe does things with the Basketball that Michael never even dreamed of.

    • http://YAHOO SEAN

      YO YOU BETTER WATCH YOUTUBE OR READ SOMETHING PHIL SAID IT HIMSELF MJ WAS BIGGER STRONGER FASTER AND HAD THOSE HUGE HANDS PLUS HE HATE TO LOSE KOBE BITCHED UP IN THE 08 FINALS EVEN IF MIKE LOST A FINALS SERIES WHICH HE NEVER DID HE WOULD STILL LIGHT THAT TEAM UP UNLIKE KOBE WHO WENT AWAY MEEKLY AND BLAMED HIS TEAMATES WHEN HE HIMSELF HAD NO BIG GAMES JUST LIKE IN DETROIT IN 04 REALLY LUCKY THEY DIDN’T FACE A HEALTHY CELTICS LAST YEAR. KOBE HAS NEVER SHOT 50% IN A SEASON MIKE BASICALLY DID THAT HIS ENTIRE CAREER NO CONTEST LOOK UP THE STATS KID THAT’S JUST DUMBASS SPORTCENTER TALKIN PLU YOU OBVIOUSLY NEVR SAW HIM PLAY GO TO YOUTUBE YOU’LL SEE MIKE BUSTIN KOBE ASS AT 35 MUCH LESS IN HIS PRIME LUDICROUS. PLUS THIS KID LEBRON BE PASSING KOBE UP SOON ALREADY KILLIN HIM IN STATS ONLY TURNED 25 SOON KOBE BE THE OLD MAN ALL HE GOT OVER LEBRON IS RINGS AND HIGH PRICED FREE AGENTS GASOL ARTEST HINT HINT EVEN THAT WAS’NT ENOUGH THIS PAST CRISTMAS AS CLEVELAND WHUPPED EM SO BAD THEY GOT BOOED OFF THEIR OWN COURT MJ= DUNKER OCCSIONAL JUMPSHOOTER KOBE= JUMPSHOOTER OCCASIONAL DUNKER

  • kb4sure

    ab4sure is always been a kobe haters memba no kobe no playoff sack that in your little brain.
    plus kobe wins mvp in a very close contest in the history of the nba.yes jordan 6 rings 6 mvps agains who?agains malone,drexler,barkley who even got 1,ewing,olajowon that is the no contest,come on men stop hating your laker who plays again LBJ,WADE,MELO,DWIGHT,KG,AMARE,PIERCE,CHRIS PAUL,DUNCAN,GINOBILI,PARKER,TMAC,NASH,DIRK and the coming beasley,rose,mayo who else think theres a lot more player now that can match jordans game.KOBE should have whon many mvps if not of hate and his teammates from the past 4 years.
    who jordan with pippen?when did he won his rings and lot of mvps when pippen,kukoch,grant,longley,kerr,harper,rebounding prowess rodman came to help.now that KOBE has bynum,gasol,and hopefully josh or marion you will going to see what is coming!and you will be happy coz your bynum will be part of it!in what age did jordan won his rings he did not even reach the playoff with kwame and hamilton on his side,when kobe has kwame and smush vlade and luke he barely beaten the suns amare.nash,marion connection.and the 55points 3 quarters fairwell message to kobe jordan game!exclamation point it is!now what?

    • http://YAHOO SEAN

      NO WAY SUB 20PPG SCORER FIRST THREE SEASONS DOMINANT SHAQ DURING FIRST THREE TITLES NO PLAYOFFS TILL PHIL AND FISHER RETURNED THAT ONLY LEAVES ROOM FOR THE ONE HE WON YOUR ARGUMENT= BIG FAIL WATCH YOUTUBE KID QUIT LISTENING TO SPORTCENTER KOBE IS GREAT IM NOT A HATER THE TRUTH IS HE CANT COMPARE TO MJ NEVER WILL LEAVE THAT UP TO LEBRON OR THE NEXT GREAT PLAYER KOBE HAS NO CHANCE

  • MILO

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    thank you! defense was not what it is today!!!

    • http://YAHOO SEAN

      DEFENSE SUCKS SO BAD TODAY THE 08 CELTICS D WHICH BASICALLY SHUT KOBE DOWN WOULD’NT EVEN BE TOP TEN IN MIKES ERA DOES EVERYONE GET INFO FROM DUMBASS SPORTCENTER ARE YOU ALL KIDS THAT NEVER SAW MIKE PLAY IN A BULLS UNIFORM

  • SliqRiq

    Kobe would win 1 on 1, just because MJ has more rings doesn’t give him the advantage on KB. I’ve been around long enough to see both of them in their prime and the only thing MJ was better than KB was getting to the line and that’s because you could’nt breathe on MJ

    MJ got away with doing more BS than any other player in the game did. People say he was better defensively and thats because he was the NBA’s poster boy and was allowed to put his hands and play aggressive on everyone defensively. KB doesnt get that priviledge heck KB cant even make a comment without getting a T. I remember distinctively MJ getting in the refs face constantly and very seldom would he be given a technical. Reggie Miller said it before he gets away with so much because he’s Michael Jordan!!!1

    After all that Kobe has better range and better handles than MJ, I’d say creativity and definitely bigger hands goes to MJ. But Kobe would win this it be close but I’d put my money on The Black Mamba without a doubt!!!!

    • http://YAHOO SEAN

      PLEASE SYOP TALKIN OUT YOUR ASS AND WATCH BULLS VS LAKERS 1997 AND 1998 MJ 34,35 YEARS OF AGE OWNED KOBE MJ AT 25 THERE BE A LOT OF KOBE FANS CRYIN AND LOSING MONEY IT WOULD BE LIKE 2004 FINALS JUST SHOCKING HOW MUCH BETTER THAN KOBE HE IS YOU FORGOT TO MENTION MJ WAS STRONGER A MORE EFFICIENT SHOOTER FASTER 4.2 40 BETTER POST PLAYERSTRAIGHT UP WAY BETTER DEFENDER FORMER DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR KOBE NEVER GETTIN THAT TWO PLAYERS AS GOOD OR ARGUABLY BETTER THAN KOBE NO ONE EVER CAME CLOSE TO MJ WHEN THEY DID HE DESTROYED THEM AND NO ONE YAPPED ABOUT IT ANYMORE I SERIOUSLY DOUBT KOBE COULD DESTROY WADE MELO OR LEBRON TO THE POINT WHERE IT’S NO LONGER MENTIONED FIND YOU SOME VIDS PLEASE MIKE HAD EQUAL SKILL AND BASKETBALL IQ OF KOBE IN A TOUGHER PHYSICALLY SUPERIOR PACKAGE NUFF SAID

      • Ryan

        Your an idiot. get off mj’s nuts. phil said himself that kobe has better skills than mj. your a kobe hater because you hate the fact kobe and mj are basically equal in basketball skill. who cares what mj did that kobe didnt or what kobe did that mj didnt. phil coached these guys for years, and phil has always agreed kobe is better skill wise, what made jordan so “unstoppable” he could get away with anything. he could carry, travel, foul, and does whatever he wants without being penalized. its always been like that when you have someone thats the face of the nba, they want money and they will do what they can to get that money, jordan was a business icon, if you want money you have make sure that he gets the best accolades there are.

  • http://www.modenadude.com/ThaDogg Imadogg

    [Comment ID #47919 Will Be Quoted Here]

    He’s complimented Kobe many times, saying he’s the best player in the league right now. But here he was just bringing out the vintage cocky MJ, since the answer was so obvious.

    Jordan of course over Kobe.

  • dom3983

    such a tired subject. i think it was done and final when Phil was asked who is better on the Cannons and he said MJ. The guy coached both and pretty much said what most people say that MJ was smarter and more efficient. This isnt a one on one game so doesnt really matter. I think as Lakers fans we should just drop the subject cuz when this poll question is asked around the nation its always MJ overwhelming and that should just be final. No crying about hating or excuses. Lets be happy we have seen and had some of the greatest players in the NBA wearing Lakers jerseys: West, Wilt, Kareem, Baylor, Worthy, Magic, Shaq, Kobe.

  • PeanutButterSpread

    I’d say the closes player right now in the NBA that comes close to the repertoire of moves that Jordan had is Kobe Byrant. That being said, if they were to play a game of basketball 1-on-1, I think Jordan might win slightly over Kobe, but at the same time, I can easily see Kobe winning by a hair too. I mean, both player have that “killer” mentality and are extremely competitive. I don’t think it’d be “no contest,” it’d be close contest. It’s different when a game is 1-on-1 versus 5-on-5 and I think a lot of people are forgetting that Jordan had a lot of great teammates to help free up space for him to move and score.

    • http://YAHOO SEAN

      REMEMBER 08 FINALS? YOU THINK MJ WOULD LET THAT HAPPEN LIKE THAT NO WAY KOBE IS THE MOST COMPETITIVE PLAYER CURRENTLY IN THE NBA BUT LIGHT YEARS FROM MJ ALSO 1ON1 WOULD’NT BE CLOSE IT WOULD ASSUMING KOBE AND MJ WERE PHYSICALLY EQUAL THAT’S SIMPLY NOT THE CASE MJ WAS FASTER STRONGER BIGGER QUICKER TOUGHER AND YES MORE COMPETITIVE ALMOST INSANELY SO HE EVEN HAD A SUPERIOR VERTICAL AND COULD DUNK OFF THE DRIBBLE WITHOUT GATHERING CAUSE OF THOSE HANDS WHICH IS WHY HE WAS SO MUCH MORE THE DUNKER THAN KOBE IS ESPECIALLY IN TRAFFIC WHEN DEFENSIVE THREE SECONDS DID’NT EXISTANYWAY PLEASE COMPARE THE STATS THEN LEAVE ME A REPLY

  • kb4sure

    AB4SURE watch this!

    listen to this!

    YOU NEED A LIE DETECTOR!

  • domz

    Kobe is just better than MJ. MJ is just trying to make some noise so we would pay attention to him.

  • dub824

    [Comment ID #47919 Will Be Quoted Here]

    haha ur right i didnt check it first, they are the same height. i just always thought jordan was taller for some reason. i still say jordan would win, hes a more efficient scorer.. takes it to the rim more than kobe.. and is more physical

    • http://YAHOO SEAN

      I DONT KNOW YOU BUT IT’S REFRESHING NOT READING CRAP FROM ASSHATS THAT CAN’T TAKE THE TIME TO LOOK AT STATS AND REPEATEDLY BLATHER SOME SHIT SPORTSCENTER MADE THEM BELIEVE THROUGH REPETITION

  • cooleo24

  • dom3983

    Kobe had great teammates as well to help him move and score as well so Im not sure what that statement proves. You need help from your teammates to win big. Thats the formula in all sports. I love both players and love kobe, but its hard to ignore all that jordan did and I always say how can kobe be the greatest ever when he is not even the greatest laker ever. Magic holds that crown. Kobe is one of the all time greats, can we just be happy with that and not say ignorant things like how jordan played against a weaker NBA, when it consistented some of the greatest players and teams ever. I just love knowing that the lakers have had the greatest team ever in the showtime lakers and that keeps me satisfied.

  • http://ld2k.com LD2k

    It would be close. I think Jordan’s defense on Kobe would give him the slight edge. But if Kobe scored first and you were playing “winners” rules, then Jordan would be in trouble?

    Fair enough?

  • RWHITE

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    Yeah. Jordan is really cocky. He had Pippen and Rodman. Who has Kobe had besides Shaq?

  • DCLAKER

    …and by the way didn’t the Mamba ALREADY HAVE THIS DISCUSSION WITH STEPHEN A. SMITH,Let it go PLEASE!!!

  • lskerfan567

    bonified scrub with sum cheese doodles

  • dom3983

    I wanna see Manute Bol v.s Mugsy Bogues one on one.

  • cummlaker

    I am one of the biggest laker fans around, but Michael Jordan is the best player to have ever played period. They both have the will to win, yet Michaels will made him go undefeated in all 6 of his nba finals.jordan in his prime would have beaten the celtics which kobe lost to. The utah jazz in 97-98 were better then the celtics and jordans bulls who had arguably the greatest team ever went through the jazz twice in 6 games. Does anyone remember jordans 40 something with the flu in utah(one of the toughest places to play), game 5 the pivotal game, and the bulls win. jordan would not have allowed his team to get blown out in game 6 the way kobe’s lakers did.I would take Magic Johnson as the second greatest player better then kobe bryant as well. The only player who has a chance to be the greatest of them all is lebron james.

  • http://www.modenadude.com/ThaDogg Imadogg

    [Comment ID #47931 Will Be Quoted Here]

    Hahahahahha. What does that prove at all?
    [Comment ID #47938 Will Be Quoted Here]

    Lol what about Jordan’s defense?

  • lakerfan81

    Id have to go with Jordan. Jordan was a better mid range jump shooter than Kobe is. And I think he was a slightly better defender. Athleticism is about same, and Kobe is better from 3. But I would give the edge to Jordan. Would be fun to watch. I really think in a 1-on-1 situation it could go either way. But Jordan is the better player.

    • http://YAHOO SEAN

      MJ WOULD KILL KOBE SORRY MJ WAS PHYSICALLY SUPERIOR AND HE THE THREE POINT SHOOTING IS EQUAL MJ JUST HAD MORE ABILITY TO GET TO THE RIM HENCE LESS THREE POINT ATTEMPTS YET SAME PERCENTAGE ALSO KOBE NEVER SHOT 50% FOR ONE SEASON IN HIS CAREER MJ SHOT OVER 50% IN 13 OUT OF 15 YEARS

  • http://youtube.com/MvpGoesToKobe LakersNewDynasty08

    [Comment ID #47957 Will Be Quoted Here]

    are u fu*king kidding me stfu. LeBron James is not that fu*cking good. He has nothing that Jordan had. Jordan was an all around scorer and defender Lebron can only take it to the basket hard and dunk. He cant shoot, he cant dribble, and he definatley cant play defense. Fu*k off

  • jamaicans-for-KOBE

    normally i just read stuff like this and laugh…but when MJ is gonna say stuff like this..he really is in fantasy land….Kobe’s offense is way better and more versatile and when he decides to play D, he is just as good as they come……..now MJ can take his 6 rings and stuff them….
    This is kobe’s game..it was made for..and NO one will be like in this lifetime…..

    • http://YAHOO SEAN

      KIDS MJ WOULD OWN KOBE IN HIS PRIME HELL YOU CAN EVEN SEE MJ OWN KOBE AT 35 ON YOUTUBE I KNOW YOU’RE YOUNG AND DIDN’T SEE MJ IN HIS PRIME POOR KID KOBE IS LIKE A PALE SHADOW OF MJ ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE GIRLY RULES IN TODAY’S NBA

  • Motown

    It’s an arrogant thing of Jordan to say, but then again that’s an arrogant a man as anyone who ever played, maybe that’s what made him great.

    But anyone who says Kobe could beat him prime on prime? Get real, MJ would beat that ASS for sure. MJ is the greatest player EVER, and anyone who doubts that just needs to get some old game tape of his.

    Magic would also beat Kobe’s ass, and don’t people talk about LeBron that dude is still in his pampers compared to MJ, Kobe, and Magic.

  • DCLAKER

    …AGAIN,KOBE ALLLLLLLLREADY HAD THIS DISCUSSION,LET-IT-GO!!!

    Talk about how to get this LAKER TEAM BETTER(GET RID OF VLAD)!

  • ab4sure

    kb4sure… relax little brother.. i just got back on here and you going wild… with non-sensical points… barkley mvp??? dirk mvp??? what is your point? As far as the 55 point game of kobe…. Jordan didn’t even guard him. Jordan was guarding the sf Fox.

    Someone mentioned earlier kobe even acknowledged MJ is the best. I do take back one point. I do think kobe wouldn’t lie on that lie detector. I think now kobe would and has said it straight. I see kobe getting another mvp perhaps and more likely a finals mvp with the help of bynum and gasol.

    Someone put up a video of MJ guarding Magic in the finals game 3 or 4 i believe. I could never picture kobe guarding a player like Magic and being successful. A six nine guard. That was the difference in Chicago winning that game. The rules in defending are basically the same in the PO as we saw the toughness needed esp. in the finals. As talented and great kobe is the measuring stick after kobe will still be number 23. I use to hate that number in the 90′s but Michael Jordan… Your still number #1.

  • Kobe8>24

    Kobe is my fav player of all time but MJ would win. I’m kinda surprised that MJ would say it the way he did but Jordan would win.

  • e

    on a one on one???
    kobe would destroy mj

    kobe plays in an era where the double team is a prevalant defensive tactic…

    jordan played in an era where if u decided to double team before the ball got to u, it was illegal defense…

    kobe still school’s ppl when double and tripled team
    so sorry all u mj fans..im going with kb24 with this one

  • laker-nate

    Doug Collins says all the time on TNT that kobe has a much bigger arsenal on offense…i would give the edge 2 MJ on D tho…But good offense beats good defense any day…Kobe wins n a close 1…Jordan was prolly sniffn the powder when he said that

  • SliqRiq

    The Topic is 1 on 1 not who’s the better player with that said hands down Kobe would win and if it was Best out of 3 KB would take 2 out of 3 simply as that.

    Dont knock the Doberman’s Defense!!!

    • http://YAHOO SEAN

      I CAN TELL YOU’RE UNDER 30 MJ HAD THE BEST ON BALL DEFENCE EVER KOBE HAS PASSING LANE DEFENSE BIG DIFFERENCE YOU A KOBE FAN WATCH HIM PLAY EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE SO YOU DONT POST DUMB SHIT LIKE THAT

  • http://www.jamieinsider.com Jamie Spears Insider

    Wow. I lost all respect for MJ. “No Contest”… are you fudging kidding me. I would have accepted it if he said it’d be a challenge but he may win.

    • http://YAHOO SEAN

      WRONG DUDE IT WAS A CLOSE CONTEST WHEN MJ WAS 35 EVER SEE THOSE GAMES WERE YOU EVEN OUT OF DIAPERS THEN MJ OWNED YOU TALKIN IN HIS PRIME THEN HE PRETTY MUCH TOLD THE GOSPEL TRUTH MJ AT 25 OR 30 WOULD MAKE KOBE LOOK SLOW AND SOFT AT ANY AGE

  • DCLAKER

    FORGET ALL THIS MJ vs KB CRAP….Kenyon Martin is AVAILIBLE..MITCH!!

  • ab4sure

    question for my little brother… kb4sure… who was guarding kobe when he scored 55 points against the wizards???

    • http://YAHOO SEAN

      JERRY STACKHOUSE 28MINUTES MJ LIKE 4 MINUTES HOWEVER KOBE DID HIT A COUPLE MEMORABLE SHOTS ON MJ HIS OWN SHOTS LIKE THAT SWEET FADEAWAY I KNEW KOBE HAD MASTERED THAT SHOT WHEN I SAW IT NOT QUITE AS MUCH ELEVEATION AS MJ BUT MORE THAN HE HAD LEFT AT THE TIME HOWEVER I KNEW IN THAT GAME MJ WASN’T EVEN IN THE SAME CLASS AS KOBE THATS JUST HOW IT GOES IT’LL GO THAT WAY FOR KOBE LEBRON US ON THE BLOGS GOD JUST DECIDED NO MAN HAS ANY BUSINESS WITH HIS ASS ON THE COURT AT THAT AGE. IT WAS LIKE WATCHINE THE FORMER ENGINE OF DESTRUCTION MIKE TYSON FIGHT PAST HIS PRIME AND GET HIS ASS HANDED TO HIM BY SOME TOMATO CAN HE WOULD’VE MOPPED THE FLOOR WITH BACK IN THE DAY

  • Parich

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    I don’t know, Jordan’s vertical jump was almost 50 inches!

  • kb24bestever

    hey so all yall jordan fans listen to this jordan throughout his whole carrier in the bulls he had the same people and good people he never had to deal with a bunch of rookies and try to do everything by himself like kobe did over a year kobe had to change like his whole squad every went to a different team but him and just to deal with all the we all know that in sports chemestry plays a big part and jordans bulls always had that because they never made big changes like the lakers did and also remember that not even with shaq there was good chemestry.so to see the things that kobe has done by himself and all the critisism it makes me respect him as a person and as a player am not saying that jordan its not great but its just that kobe could do anything he could beat a team by himself like he did to the raptors like he did to the suns like his done to alot of teams and yea maybe jordan kinda did the same because when he had to take over he did but he didnt have as much pressure because lets his taking over the game then he sees steve kerr open or pippen i mean you know his gonna pass it because it was players that he could trust and he had that throughout his carrier and kobe until this year he couldnt in a crunch time because he knew they wouldnt make it or come up with a good play he decided to take the shot and if he miss take the blame and you see what happends this year the players steped up we made it to the finals and without a true C. with injured players playing including kobe and fisher.so in order to win championship in the NBA you need a good team around you,yeah its true we didn’t win but it was a really young team that we had in the finals hadnt even expirienced the second round of the playoffs and for ya’ll people that say oh jordan would of never let the celtics beat them how they beat them no it wasnt like that it was just the bulls everybody in that team wouldnt let the celtics beat them like that u think if jordan would of try to just come back by himself against that defense i dont think so i say kobe has a better chance of doing that but like he said its a team and thats not how they play its not a one player game its a team play.

    and 6 championships 5 mvp’s thats also a team award because if you dont win 50 games u cant win it so that does not make jordan a better player.because just the things that kobe has done are incredible 4 straight games with 50+ points no help just doing it by himself 81 in 1 game a game tying in the playoffs and then the game winner in the same game against the suns and remember the game tying against portland and then the game winner its just ridiculous things that he has done so the point its that defenetely jordan would not beat kobe in an 1 on 1 its just that simply kobe got the better range ridiculous range its a better saying he got better handles and kobe its an inch taller mj its not 6’6 he is 6’5 and as u can see kobe just kills everybody battie 6’9 bowen 6’7 paul pierce 6’8 lebron 6’8 artest 6’7 and the guys that checked jordan were weaker then him and either shorter or his height just imagine arenas checking kobe or as we saw ray allen or baron davis allen iverson he would just go right by them kobe its unstoppable better offensive player no question about it maybe defense ill give to jordan but remember kobe its only 30 he could get better at that and he is and also on an 1 on 1 you need offense better then defense,good offense over good defense anyday of the week ..

    so i think i made my point.

    • http://YAHOO SEAN

      I CANT RESPOND TO THAT LONG ASS COMMENT NO I’M NOT GOING TO CALL IT BS YOU DON’T KNOW ANY BETTER DO YOU PLAY ARE YOU INTO BASKETBALL DO YOU READ HOW IS THIS EVEN A QUESTION HOW DO YOU NOT KNOW THAT YOU POSTED AN INVALID STATEMENTTHAT MAKES ME QUESTION IF YOU EVEN WATCH THE GAMES???????????

    • http://YAHOO SEAN

      ARENAS DID CHECK KOBE GO READ ABOUT BASKETBALL YOU’LL KNOW WHAT KIND OF GAME THAT WAS FOR KOBE .

  • lskerfan567

    MY IDEA IZ THAT THE ENTIRE STAPLES CENTER SHOULD HAVE COOL TAGGINGS ON IT SAYING ALL THE LAKER PLAYERS NAMES AND LAKER GREATS AND THAT WE SHOULD SIGN MIKE TYSON TO A CONTRACT, CAUSE I WANT TO SEE HIM KNOCK PAUL PIERCE GOFFY SMILE OFF HIS FACE

  • SliqRiq

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    Amen!!!! Finally a great perspective to the comparisons.

    Kobe Greatest Offensive player ever to play the game period!!!!!!

  • Bynum Bryant 09

    why doesn’t anyone use puncuation around here so we can understand what is being said?

  • MILO

    [Comment ID #47957 Will Be Quoted Here]

    estas pendejo!

  • lskerfan567

    [Comment ID #47997 Will Be Quoted Here]

    aye no chinge, tu tonto, pendjeo

  • Ko8e_f@n

    have any of you actually watched the video? poor kids! hahaha! MJ was killing them :P

  • west213

    kobe all d fukin way…..guys KB is mature when he said plz dont compare me to jordan…and now MJ says me vs. kobe its no contest….maybe he was jk…but still be a little mature like kobe.

  • BEC

    6 championships (shouldve been 8 straight but whatever), 6 finals mvp, 5 nba mvps. His resume speaks for itself not take anything away from kobe but as of NOW MJ is the greater player, its not about what you can do, its what you do that matters and until kobe starts winning titles he is not at jordans level. 81 pts in a game or 50 pt avg in a month doesnt define a player amongst the greatest its titles. Thats why players like charles barkely or patrick ewing or reggie miller or stockton or malone arent even in the breathe of greats like mj or magic.

    As for this one on one thing. Jordans a better team player and Kobe has a slight edge on mj on individually, thats why Id take kobe, you can ask a lot of people Kobe does have the edge on the offensive end and Kobe is a one on one player. Kobe is more gifted on the offensive end. You can be the greatest defender in the world but you cant stop kobe on the offensive end with one player even if it is jordan. Its one on one not five on five. When it comes to one on one, defense wont mean much, the better offense will win and thats kobe.

    Kobe never said mj better, all kobe ever said was dont compare. No great player in his right mind would ever say someone can beat them or is better. If kobe answered straight up this question he’d say himself too. Any great player would.

  • EBOK

    I’m a hardcore Lakers fan. I have something like 85 different Kobe cards including most of his RC’s. I have admired his entire career.

    I do not think Kobe would stand a chance one-on-one against Michael. I think Kobe is the spoiled rich kid with nothing to prove, and MJ is the disgruntled kid with a chip on his shoulder. Kobe plays like he is constantly rattled, MJ was never rattled and always had control over the game. You can whine about how we can’t have this conversation, but it’s a legitimate topic, and I think Jordan was what Kobe can never be.

  • thomas

    l was at the camp and reall Kobe would beat Michael hands down. There is no way that MJ could stop Kobe when Kobe decided to drive. MJ isn’t fast enough o stop Kobe. Kobe has a more accurate juper AND we all nnow how it turned out the last time MJ played Kobe, Kobe busted his @ss. Don’t give me that “MJ was old” crap. He came back, tried and failed. Kobe busted his @ss and he left, end of story Kobe over MJ always and forever!!!

    • http://YAHOO SEAN

      KIDS HOW CAN YOU BE ON THE INTERNET AND NOT USE IT TO SUPPORT YOUR STATEMENTS EVEN PHIL JACKSON STATED THAT MJ WAS FASTER THAN KOBE A LOT FASTER AND STRONGER AND BIGGER AND COULD EASILY OUT JUMP KOBE USE THE INTERNET KID YOU WOULD KNOW THIS I’M NOT GIVING YOU SHIT I HATE TO SEE IGNORANCE CHECK THINGS FOR YOURSELVES DONT LISTEN TO PEOPLE 9 TIMES OUT OF 10 THEY DONT KNOW WHAT THEY TALKIN BOUT

  • Rong

    Isn’t the answer obvious?

    I’ve heard many of you say that in the nationwide polls people choose MJ over Kobe (as well as PJ). The reason people like MJ so much is because he was smart when it came to kissing up to the media. Kobe did some unintelligent things when it came to the media and because of that people hate him. People hate superstars with arrogance. Kobe would beat MJ, no contest

    • http://YAHOO SEAN

      SO KOBE IS BIGGER THAN MJ EVER WAS ARE YOU SAYING THAT AND HE WOULD BEAT HIM IN HIS PRIME ? THIS LEVEL OF IGNORANCE MAKES ME FEAR FOR THE FUTURE WHAT A PARADOX UNPRECEDENTED ACCESS TO INFORMATION YET UNPRECEDENTED IGNORANCE

  • mr.laker19

    I think people get confused with better player and more accomplished player. Sure if we look at the stats and the rings and the MVP’s and all that Jordan would clearly be the best. But lets look deeper then that. The 80′s and 90′s had great players like Barkley, Magic, Bird, Malone and Stockton, but lets be for real the other guys on those teams probably wouldnt last in todays game.
    The game today is faster, we have better athletes, and the level of play is just to far above what it is now. Charles Barkley said it in a interview that todays players overall are way better then the ones in the 90′s. Mainly the defense is way more advance.
    Jordan never had to face a zone defense or the box and one that kobe had to face in the finals. And even if he did, lets be for real, the Bulls teams in the 90′s had way more talent then any other team in its time. Im sure that the Lakers in ’01 would beat those Bulls in 5. Sorry, its true.
    But if you just watch both of them play, Kobe’s game is so far past Jordan’s
    he has an arsenal of shots he can make and the range discrepancy is rediculous. Jordan didnt take alot of threes and didnt make alot of threes. Now ill admit, they both are very close, but Kobe would absolutely KILL JORDAN one on one, no matter what age they are. Jordan wouldnt had made that comment unless he felt intimidated.

  • Mitch4Pres

    MJ is right it would be no contest. Kobe would murk him.

  • LKRSIDE

    People saying kobe over MJ easy is delusional. They are both awesome but MJ is MJ. Watching him was the best thing about the NBA so many years ago.

    And when you are unanimously heralded as the best to ever play the game, saying things like this can’t come off as arrogant, it’s just his competitive nature and being the best.

    I love Kobe though, I hope one day he will be regarded as the best to ever play the game.

    Anyways on the 1 on 1. MJ wins.

  • CD3

    I’ll just have to wait for Live2009 and see who’ll win one on one. I’ll play Kobe vs MJ and vice versa. Thats the way im going to do it. I’m tired of this talk so I’ll let my PS3 do the talking hehe.

  • jack

    it’s stupid to say its a no contest. its like brady saying “he said we will only score 17 points” in the superbowl.

    Kobe is the Giants here.

    kobe ‘ll compete more than anybody else.

  • west213

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    ur soo good i wane lick u

  • Sako

    Let’s just ask PJ

  • VoiceofReason

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    Jerry Stackhouse

  • VoiceofReason

    MJ had trouble guarding the Kobe Bryant that came off the bench. So I cant understand why MJ would say that. But I love MJ hes the greatest of all time. However I’ll take Kobe on the one on one challenge. Kobe by far is the goat in 1 on 1 play.

  • RoCa24

    Say whatever you want to say guys this issue will never end.People doesn’t know how to compare this guys between each other, numbers, type of player, accomplishments, personalities,careers, opponents etc. they are different; period. We know how MJ was in his prime and Kobe probably had his best season in 2005-06. Probably I’m wrong but this was the year that Kobe scored 81 in a game, took the Lakers to the playoffs by himself. Is there someone who can tell me if MJ can do that nowadays with different types of players, rules, defense strategies etc. I’m just gonna say that if MJ was the “best” then, Kobe is the best now; time will decide who’s the best ever.

  • http://deleted kb4sure

    ab4sure
    jordan era been played with illegal defence on effect unlike kobe that has to jumpshoot on a 3 defender and still knock it down.memba the 65points on blazers how many crucial consecutive 3s he make to tie that game and the crazy 3 on the side to win it.what is the highest points jordan has in 3q kobe has 62,56,55 and kobe can win w/o bynumthey don’t make it.coz lo can’t be pippen no defence turiaf is far from being rodman.and why are you keep posting here if you hates the core and tell he is the lier.

  • Clak

    Jordan never “shut him down” when Kobe was coming off the bench. How the hell is he going to say he could shut him down with Kobe in his prime? Jordan is full of it, no contest? Are you f’ing kidding me?

  • kobe4ever

    did someone say trade for k-mart? no f’ing way bro, with that contract for the only player to have microfracture surgery in BOTH knees, he’s damaged goods, no way the same player from NJ. Plus J. Kidd made everyone better and got them great contracts, can you say kerry kittles and Lucious Harris? k-mart is washed up and in no way should we be salary capped strapped for a has been. no way is mitch trading for k-mart, no one in the league wants him, the nuggets have been trying to dump him and nene for a long long time now. check out all the espn articles.

  • DCLAKER

    Bynum’s NEW THEME MUSIK,

  • http://www.nba.com/lakers Soichiro

    how about this video? does this make Kobe seem better than jordan?

  • T-Dub

    The only reason this topic continues to come up is because MJ lovers fear that there may actually be someone better than their beloved MJ! Kobe fans don’t bring up this topic, Kobe haters do! Anything to take a shot at him!!!

  • lakersftw

    why are people still talking about this
    no one knows if kobe can beat mj cuz no one has seen them actually play each other one on one in their primes
    totally different eras, different opinions
    maybe mj will win
    maybe kobe will win

  • http://decodingthedailytop5.blogspot.com Logic

    Is this thread a 16 and under discussion? Must be, b/c there’s no way on Earth any of you dopes where alive to even see Mike in his prime. Oh, and the fact that this site is called Lakers Nation gives these comments zero credibility. What should I expect somebody calling themselves “Kobe4ever” to answer?
    Listen, any knowledgeable player, fan, exec, historian, whatever knows without question that Michael Jordan was a better player at 25, 30, and will be at 35, a better player than Kobe Bryant. Mike was a better scorer BY FAR. Sure he couldn’t hop over Aston Martins, but he could not be stopped from getting his buckets. Could not. YouTube the Jordan Rules and look how the Pistons used to rugby beatdown Jordan. He still would end up with 35 points and 8 assists.
    And for all you Kobe jockers saying that Mike had no comp, ridiculous. Please wake up. Google the Dream Team. Even with an old Bird and Magic, they would destroy this year’s USA squad. They were beating cats by 60 when it counted, not in tuneups. They had 11 Hall of Famers, this squad will have at most 5-6.
    For 10 years, Mike reigned over the league like no other. For a decade, there was no argument over the world’s best player. Right now, I could prove to half of you that LBJ is better than Kobe. The fact that argument is legit proves that Kobe isn’t better than Mike. There were no doubts with Mike. Even in “Kobe’s era”, Mike was killing people. In ’03 Mike averaged 20 a game. At age 40!! Guarantee Kobe isn’t in the league at 38. Please know and acknowledge your history. Kobe is the best SINCE Mike, and nothing more.

    • REGGIE INMAN

      THANK YOU,LOGIC I CAN TELL U WATCH SPORTS..

  • mihaithemiraculous

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    Mr. Logic, I see your point in saying that this is a biased site, but there is absoultely no way to get an unbiased answer to this question because either people love or hate kobe, or they love or hate jordan, or in rare cases dont know who they are. That being said, people always have their opinions and will voice them if they want, like by me saying that your are out of your mind thinking lebron james is better then kobe, why because he averages more assists and rebounds, he plays closer to the basket (at SF just incase you missed that) when gasol was injured kobe played SF for those 2 weeks and he averaged 10 rebounds a game, missed that didnt you? now as for the assists lebron james has the ball in his hands 98% of the time the cavs play, everything they do, the ball goes through his hands, this is why Huges went from scoring 20 on the wizards to 15 and lower the years after, because lebron keeps the ball for himself. If that’s not enough for you, then go to youtube and look for yourself, even Lebron james says that Kobe is better, over and over and over again. Ending this discussion, and moving on to MJ, I don’t know who would win because back then it was one on one defense, now kobe gets 7 people defending him a night, 4 defenders, 1 referee, and two fans. But MJ was better defensively, night in and night out he would shut people down, Kobe put his defense on auto pilot for the last 15 games of the season or so till the playoffs thats why his steals went from 2.0+ to 1.8. Either way it is impossible to answer that question, same as asking tupac or biggie, they were both great but you just don’t know. Jordan was the first great however, and people always feel jealousy and hatred towards someone they feel is stealing another greats legacy, that’s why people love lebron, because in no way does he have a chance to step on the toes of jordan the way kobe does.

  • Ignard

    when is this crap gonna stop, GEEZ!!!!!!

  • ab4sure

    kb4sure, who guarded kobe when he went for 55 against the wizards?

  • ab4sure

    Thank you reason… Bryan Russell also guarded him that game.

  • ab4sure

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    Thank you Logic. You bring much logic in your argument. I would add I dont’ expect kobe to be playing when 40 nor scoring 50 in a game over the age of 40.

    Mr. Mihaith, LBJ plays much around the perimeter as a sf. If his size is an advantage for him when evaluating against kobe don’t make it an excuse. Also, having the ball in your hands is not an excuse. James has better passing skills and sees the court better which is why he has the ball more. Another advantage, not an excuse for kobe. Kobe gets 7 defenders a night against him?? 1 referee 2 fans.. plz.. He is not a victim. Jordan was dpoy the same year he was mvp. He also led the league in steals with over 3 a game.

    Finally, the one person who knows them best gives the nod to Jordan. Phil Jackson said there were two things that set Jordan apart from others. His huge hands which was a tremondous advantage as he palmed the ball like a volleyball and his low post game where he destroyed his opponents by either passsing our scoring. Kobe has neither of these. Also MJ guarded Magic in the finals. Could you ever see kobe limiting Magic Johnson or even guarding him???

    Most who have seen Jordan play do choose MJ as the better. I think it is time for the kobe fans to watch classic jordan games. You will enjoy them.

  • ab4sure

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    MJ played the attack position.. sf.. in the triangle later in his career.

  • ab4sure

    Thomas,
    Aug 1st, 2008 at 6:38 pm
    l was at the camp and reall Kobe would beat Michael hands down. There is no way that MJ could stop Kobe when Kobe decided to drive. MJ isn’t fast enough o stop Kobe. Kobe has a more accurate juper AND we all nnow how it turned out the last time MJ played Kobe, Kobe busted his @ss. Don’t give me that “MJ was old” crap. He came back, tried and failed. Kobe busted his @ss and he left, end of story Kobe over MJ always and forever!!!

    Of course today Kobe would beat MJ. Also MJ in his 20′s was one of the quickest guards in the league. Fast enough?? lol.. And kobe didn’t bust a 42 year old MJ’s ass.. He busted Stackhouse, and russell. Go to youtube and see 4 yourself. We know the real story… you just living a fairytale always and forever.

    Also be careful… West213 is getting … 4 u.

  • ab4sure

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    Thank you Sako. I didn’t see your post earlier but i was referring to some of these comments of PHil in my post. This is a must listen for all tln people.

  • DCLAKER

    Any other LEO CELEBRATIN’ THIS MONTH besides me and….”THE DOBERMAN”!!!

    This is how I’m feelin’ RIGHT NOW,

  • SliqRiq

    AB4SURE
    Lets see you talk about MJ covering Magic in the Finals and that KB couldn’t do that well I myself am older and remember that series as well and PIPPEN did most of the gaurding on Magic not Jordan.

    Also Magic was getting older 4 years older than MJ I might add and wasnt ever the same after his injury 3 years earlier in the Finals vs the Pistons. Lets see your MJ gaurd Magic in his prime Rookie year when he led the Lakers to the Championship.

    Now back to the 1 on 1 vs KB and MJ, I’ve seen both in their prime and slight defensive edge and large hands goes to MJ, but please man Kobe offensively is on another level compared to your boy MJ. I have watched Classics of MJ and like I said am old enough to remember tons of MJ’s games and trust me he was great but offensively he cant touch Kobe. Remember this debate is 1 on 1 so defense wont matter much and Kobe’s quickness and offensive skills will reign over your boy MJ hands down.

    You and Logic say he wont be playing when he’s 38 to 40 I really doubt that barring any injury and remember KB came straight out of HS so he will have been in a lot more games rather than coming out of college.

    MJ Best Then
    KB Best Now simple as that

  • ab4sure

    Pippen did most, but in a pivotal game 3 or 4 the one that went in overtime Jordan’s defense was the difference. Magic was only 30-31 not 42. Jordan was a bigger and stronger player than Magic… see PJ interview already posted. Kobe has a slightly better shot, but Jordan’s interior game and shooting percentage was so much better. Like MJ said, MJ would be more likely to stop Kobe than the other way around in his prime. One on one DEFENSE MATTERS. lol.. u underestimate defense… it wins games and one on one games.. it is not make it take it where a person that gets hot can win.

    Your boy kobe is behind MJ in many areas.. a slightly better shot just looks better in pics, but doesn’t measure up to the complete player of mj. Will kobe win dpoy… he is lucky to be first team becuz he has slacked on d many years and they still gave it to him. Phil said it write… Mj would take a challenge and stop another player while kobe would be prone to get his 50 points. See interview. MJ… The complete player.. Simple as that.

  • ab4sure

    *Correction.. Jordan was a bigger stronger player than Kobe.. not Magic… also i was comparing stength and size.. not height.

  • mihaithemiraculous

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    Do you know what happens when you assume? I’m sure i dont have to finish that, but please don’t assume that I have never watched Jordan play, I am 34 and have been watching basketball since i could walk, yes jordan did gaurd magic in the finals, but magic was a shadow of his former self, because with all of your basketball knowledge you should know that magic has aids, and after he contracted aids he took many years off, which took him far out of his prime. So to your question, could kobe gaurd magic not in his prime? yes definately and he would do so just as jordan gaurded an out of his prime magic. As for your Lebron argument, I think you misread what i said, i never said anything about size, i simply said he plays SF and thats why he gets rebounds, and when kobe played sf this year when gasol was injured he averaged around 10 rebounds, because he was CLOSER TO THE BASKET. Basketball 101: backcourt is made up of PG, SG. Front court: SF, PF, C. Naturally most of the rebounds go to the front court because they are closer to the basket. And yes having the ball in your hands all the time does mean you’re getting assits, thats why usually PG’s have all of the assists, and that is why everyone else suffers in this catagory on the cavs. I have seen michael play, and yes michael showed his low post dominance almost every game, he would be down there for most of his shots, but he was played one on one, now when kobe goes to the low post he’s usualy triple teamed, he gets maybe 1 to 2 shots in the low post 1 on 1 a game, and he makes those easy. My point being kobe does not get to demonstrate his low post dominance as michael did. His hands are undeniably better then kobes, but he is not as far ahead in low post play. Who is a better player? i dont know but what i do know is kobe is better then lebron, he rebounds better, he doesnt have as many assists but he does pass just as well, just averages less because kobe doesnt have the ball half of every posession like lebron, Kobe’s defense is far superior, (who gaurds the best player of the opposition on team USA?) Who’s a better scorer? Remind me the last time lebron scores 81, wait even 60? or the last time lebron averaged 35ppg for a season? Lebron is not better then kobe, a healthy dwayne wade is better then Lebron, and Dwaynes still not in the same breath as kobe. For someone whos agreeing with another person named logic, not too much logic is being used in the thought process.

  • ab4sure

    I never said you didn’t so don’t get offended.. i said most.. so who is doing the assuming??? enuff said.. Magic was 31… still in his prime.. Lebron gets rebounds becuz he is bigger and stronger just like Magic did even though he played pointguard.. position doesn’t determine rebs… Kobe a better rebounder than LBJ??? lol Kobe pass as well as Lebron??? Plz Shooter yes… kobe better

    Jordan played one on one.. watch video.. and you will think differently. Healthy wade better than Lebron?? how far in the deep end are you going to go to??? this is a jordan kobe discussion so i don’t want to get sidetracked. Very gifted offensively doesn’t make you the best and most complete player.. that goes to MJ.

  • SliqRiq

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    I definitely disagree with that, Just like Mihai says MJ didnt see double teams the way KB does in the post and just like in football the players in Basketball are bigger stronger and quicker than they were back in the days and you cant argue that.

    I think not think I know you know that this is a legit statement Kobe has much more competition as far as athleticism and strength in todays game than MJ did so by you saying MJ was stronger Sorry man but the players today are bigger and stronger than back then

  • ab4sure

    VID FOR MIHAITH, Don’t forget the Jordan Rules.

  • ab4sure

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    See the video about double teams… also ask PJ who was bigger and stronger… if you don’t believe me see the PJ interview posted earlier. I am comparing kobe and mj’s strength only.

  • SliqRiq

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    Your video has MJ going mostly 1 on 1, KB would thrive to have that now check this one, KB has this every night remember players coaches learn from the past and get smarter and thats why KB would take this match up between the 2.
    As far as PJ saying MJ stronger come on this is PJ he absolutely loved and adored MJ. I still believe strength goes to KB in a slight edge

  • ab4sure

    See the whole video and put on your glasses… PJ is bias??? yeah right.. he is coaching kobe right now i don’t think he is going to shade toward MJ. Now that is illogical.

  • SliqRiq

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    I dont wear glasses man I see clear as day, and Im not saying PJ is biased.
    This was good though I liked the little debate you have some great points and I do as well so with that said I worked up an apetite and Im hungry lol.
    Take care

  • MILO

    what do you guy’s think of people saying that Bron is the next MJ??????????????

  • lskerfan567

    labrick james iz the next mj, lmfao
    ur funny, lebrom could be better then kobe, but that doesnt nescilarily mean that he could beat kobe 1 on 1, samething with kobe and MJ

  • Wally

    1) The comments about the ‘D’ being tougher now than it was during Jordans days is insane. In case no one has noticed, the NBA has instituted rules to make scoring waaaaaay easier. The rules totaly hinder defenses. No more hand checking, no more pounding, etc.

    2)Jordan played against way tougher defenses than Kobe has ever seen. Ummm, the Bad Boy Pistons, the nasty NY Knicks, and the Pacers & Heat in the late ’90s. Who does Kobe go against, the Suns???? And don’t even mention Bowen; yes he is one of the best defenders, but Jordan went against guys just as tough. The teams the Bulls played were so much more physical than the teams now it’s not even funny. I mean do see how much whining and complaining goes on if a guy gets bumped a little in todays games?

    Kobe is good, but not as good as MJ. End of story.

  • Rinnegato

    There you go, the debate should be settled. Even MJ himself said “No contest”. :D I always knew MJ thought Kobe was better.

  • http://www.myspace.com/losangeleslakers24 Los Angeles Lakers

    in my opinion Kobe is a better offensive player then Jordan and a slightly better ballhandler.

  • ab4sure

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    Your mistake was thinking.

  • lskerfan567

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    no kobe is the better player all around, but jordon will beat him 1 on 1

  • ab4sure

    lskerfan… listen to Phil Jackson.

  • lskerfan567

    OMG, WHAT DID HE SAY

  • ab4sure

    You should value your opinion alittle less lskerfan and value PJ’s alittle more when it comes to MJ and Kobe. Aren’t you the one that wants Stephon Marbury now??? I think i just valued your opinion alittle less.

  • Edward

    A lot of you guys are looking at it wrong and a lot of you are making incorrect arguments. It looks like most of you are mixing up the argument for who would win a 1 on 1, and who is the better player. In this discussion, you have to account for different characteristics of each player. Jordan lived in a different era, but it was not easier. Kobe lives in the current era but it’s not harder… its impossible to compare eras, they’re different. Jordan said “I have a better chance of stopping him then him stopping me” Meaning he thinks his defense is the key. He didn’t say he was better, he simply said he THINKS his defense could more likely stop Kobe than Kobe’s stopping him. The statement “No contest” just leaves it up to implication, Jordan is smart with his words, and by saying those words he can leave it up to interpretation, and can even twist his words if people call it on him. Another thing I have to say is, I was not able to witness Jordan in all his glory, not even the end of it. Kobe also hasn’t finished his career, so its impossible to say. It’s also impossible to say who would win, because the only way to know is if they actually played one on one, and in the same era with the same team, and the same coach and the same refs, jerseys, wives, childhoods, children, money…. you get what I’m saying. You can’t make the comparison because something can be brought up that would be used as a reason to counter an argument for one player being better than the other. Regardless of what you people want to say as far as your OPINIONS go. Go ahead and state them, but don’t say them as if they are fact, and don’t try too hard to get others to change their minds, as they too are entitled to an opinion as you are. Just think about the gatorade commercial Jordan made where he plays his younger self. They never show who wins and they show the difference between to two, so what was Jordan’s PRIME? When he was young? Old? Inbetween? That in itself is debatable, and since Kobe hasn’t even ended his career and we wouldn’t be able to deduce his prime, then this argument is pointless from the get go. If you mean prime by the player with all their best attributes: youth, intelligence, athleticism, and experience at their peak, then they aren’t the same player, because they didn’t exist as those people. Just leave it be, they are both great. But different, and therefore incomparable by any rubric or scale. No matter how many arguments are made it will never become fact. So except that and enjoy the game. See you out on the courts.

  • lskerfan567

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    saracasm is one os the great services i provide

    iyour right of course i’ll take pj analysis on thiz dillemma of course, why woul you pusume that i wouldnt do so

  • ab4sure

    you didn’t take pj’s analysis

    Edward, jordan was very clear on his statement. In his prime, he would get the best of kobe.

  • kb4sure

    hey AB4SURE!
    it seems that you have too many critics does it means you are very wrong with your statement?I respect MJ i ones played his style of basketball when i was younger and i beat some of my opponent because an inside game is easy too learn especially when your stronger.but i can’t do what kobe does cause i’m not a good shooter i cant fade away in a bigger opponent like kb does in their faces.and i alredy face some opponents same as my game.and i dont have a hard time guarding him coz i know were he is going,and what he is going to do.but when i face a shooter i did have a hard time stopping him coz i dont know when he is going too shoot,and where in a particular place in the floor.jordan has the edge on his prime he is stronger than the older fellas barkley,olajowon,malone who jump an inch higher on a sh!t of cow.
    jordan plays in era of no zone defence he has more isolation that why he can shoot free memba the last finals he did on russel thats an isolation!unlike today they dont let kobe hold the ball AMAP(as mush as possible) in the last sec.of play they put the entire team on kobe just not to get an inbound how crazy!
    QUESTION!
    -what is jordans highest score in just 3 quarters?kobe has 62,55’56 i dont remember the others and he also has 30 in 1Q
    -who competes jordans legacy on his prime bryon russel,clyde,barkley,payton,starks anyone there who is better than lebron,melo,wade,marion,kirillenko,pierce,artest,prince,allen,tmac,dirk,nash,shaq,cp3,kg,arenas,dwight,deron do i forgot someone.
    -forget the rings n mvp’s its a team effort were talking 1 on 1 understand that!
    b’coz on a 1 on 1 basis the shooters(ASK PHIL) win the game and its not a fg% that phil is talking about.remember its a 1 on 1 issue.
    yes jerry stackhouse guard kobe that 55points game in 3Q take note in 3QUARTERS,9 3points on their face,jordan did not guard so his safe to be embarassed good for him!and stackhouse is far better than russel!

    TAKE THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    better stop posting if you hate the CORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • kb4sure

    and the video now !he still shoots well i’m impressed.but why he take a short and youger kid too school him.is that elementary or high school!hes the greatest!

  • Edward

    Mmmk, first off I was not incorrect in stating Jordan was not clear in his statement. He never says “I am the better player”, he says “I have better defense and I CAN win a 1 on 1 game”. The thing is “No Contest” could mean out of 100 games, Jordan thinks he would win 55. Either way. I’ll just say it again, you can’t compare the 2. Even if you have personal experiences with having trouble guarding shooters, Jordan made incredible shots, and buzzer beats, as kobe has. If I’m not mistaken the NBA Finals were between the top 2 teams, not just best of east and west. Also, if they were in the same era at the same age, and all biases were removed, it would really depend on what kind of day they were having. I am not the most consistent baller, but the thing is no one is. We all have our days, so what Kobe and MJ are you guys comparing? You can’t refer to games they were on fire, unless you take both of them into account, and even those games are PART luck. Just because Jordan didn’t guard kobe doesn’t mean he was afraid, that’s a coaching decision. Kobe didn’t necessarily guard Paul Pierce the whole game, but he was killing us. Was Kobe scared? Hell no, but he was needed elsewhere.

  • ab4sure

    u forget this is a laker site. Viewing MJ as better than kobe is like viewing the world was round and not flat 600 years ago. Eventually people learn about history and figure the facts. When you face a shooter you have to get into his grill.. sounds like you a low post guy.. shooters can be stopped and a dpoy guy like Jordan knew how to do that. Listen to PJ. He said MJ was a player who would take the other teams best player and stop him. Then right after he said that … he said kobe would be a player who would do these 40 .. 50 point games. Pretty obvious that PJ thought MJ was the more valuable player. Remember what MJ said in the vid.. I would have a better chance of stopping him than he would have in stopping me.. (in his prime of course). Shooters games can be taken away. Battier turns kobe to a 40% shooter or less when they play. Now little brother keep working. I know your giving a good effort.

    Why did Jordan take younger kids to school??? He was teaching them things. Challenging them. He didn’t disrespect those kids. Those kids will go home and realize it is going to take hard work to get better. He also taught them in the spirit of competition never give an inch to a lesser opponent. It also brought out the best effort in those kids and that is what he wanted. School’s Over!!!

  • ab4sure

    Edward, If someone said to you on the basketball court I would have a better chance in stopping you than you would have in stopping me???? Who does he think is the better player????

  • DCLAKER

    WHY ARE Y’ALL STILL TALKIN’ ABOUT WHO’S BETTER MJ OR KOBE,DAMN!!!Didn’t THE MAMBA already explain.I’d rather you talk about who’s better between Vlad and Luke and whoever’s the weakest link…TRADE’EM!Kobe said MJ’s THE GREATEST EVER,CASE CLOSED,WORDS OUT HIS OWN MOUTH,LET-IT-GO!!!!!!!!

    This should happen to ANYBODY ELSE BRINGIN’ UP THE SUBJECT OF MJ vs. KOBE,

  • DCLAKER

    This should happen to ALL and ANYBODY bringin’ up the subject of MJ vs. KOBE,when ‘THE DOBERMAN’ already said “MJ IS THE GREATEST EVER” OUT OF HIS OWN MOUTH,take a look…..

  • SliqRiq

    [Comment ID #48180 Will Be Quoted Here]

    Very well said and you forgot to mention Bruce Bowen, Raja Bell, Stephen Jackson and Manu Ginobili.

  • DCLAKER
  • ab4sure

    Sliq stand up for yourself. You lose your own battle and you come to another losing argument??? Look at the dream team 92. I would take them everytime. After school program is Closed.

  • DCLAKER

    WHAT IS THIS,GIRLYNATION OR LAKERNATION? Anybody gettin’traded,no? Anybody wanna talk WHO THE $$$$ should be traded,no? Well,can y’all do me a favor and TALK ABOUT SOMETHING MEANIFUL LIKE…WHY THE HELL VLAD HASN’T BEEN TRADED YET….Now that’s what needs to be talked about,

  • Kobe8>24

    THE FACT IS WE’LL NEVER KNOW..

  • NY

    There is no way Kobe could cover MJ. MJ would keep scoring until the games was over. Kobe would never see the ball.

    Kobe never could defense anyone and would nver unless he contiined to get the new NBA Star calls he gets now. This guy is just Stern’s product of tuening the NBA in to his version of the WWF. This is exaclty why we get beat in the Olympics now. The call the game straight up. If a guys stops Kobe, he gets the foul call.. period. If he were played straing up with honest refs, you would see a different Kobe. Yea, you’ll see all of the Lakers weiners sayinig no, but the rest of the country does not see everything through the yellow lens. We’ve been watching too long. Guys like West were better players but had to play within the same rules everyone else plays. The NBA with losers like Stern have changed the rules for these guys to increase the rating and thier pocketbooks. The sport has suffered.

  • kb4sure

    ab4sure
    i watch that when battier defending kobe their going for that 22 wins but you did see his defense his covering kobe’s face which i think an illegal,he’s not going for the ball and the league just allow it coz its kobe if that was jordan maybe they give the T on shane.and what a shame that defence was the worst and unmanly,it is called cheating!
    yes jordan wins dpoy how many times and against who agains an isolation that he can focus on 1 player,unlike this days can he guard those big guards and the help weak side to black yao,duncan kirilenko and some ather big player.show me some video!
    eversince TLN you never love the core and believe your bynum can survive w/o him.stop hating men!

  • ab4sure

    kb4sure.. covering his face illegal??? come on little brother.. Your playing the “everyone is against kobe” card. kbsure Jordan guarded Magic at times. Is that big enough? little brother… learn what hate is becuz you have no idea what that means.

  • LakersFirst

    [Comment ID #48212 Will Be Quoted Here]

    Hate to bring it to you man, MJ is the better player. Currently Kobe is not the leader that MJ was, but Kobe still has time to become the leader.

    Also, you wrote that Kobe plays against LBJ,WADE,MELO,DWIGHT,KG,AMARE,PIERCE,CHRIS PAUL,DUNCAN,GINOBILI,PARKER,TMAC,NASH,DIRK and the coming beasley,rose,mayo who else think theres a lot more player now that can match jordans game

    Your gith Jordan didn’t play against those guys. Instead, Jordan played against guys like MAGIC, BIRD, MCHALE, KARL MALONE, JOHN STOCKTON, OLAJUWON, KG, CHARLES BARKLEY, GARY PAYTON, MARK PRICE, ISIAH THOMAS, JOE DUMARS, DOMINIQUE WILKINS, DAVID ROBINSON, PATRICK EWING, JAMES WORTHY, CLYDE DREXLER, REGGIE MILLER, etc – You know pretty much all Hall of Famers.

  • TYRONE

    BECAUSE THESE GUYS PLAYED IN DIFFERENT ERAS AGAINST DIFFERENT OPPONENTS WITH SOME RULE CHANGES, THESE THINGS DO MAKE A DIFFERENCE. SO IT’S A LITTLE HARD TO SAY. DEFENSIVELY MJ GUARDED MOSTLY 2 GUARDS LIKE DREXLER AND REGGIE MILLER. KOBE BECAUSE HE DOESN’T HAVE 1ST TEAM DEFENDERS LIKE MJ, PIPPEN, AND RODMAN ON HIS TEAM, OH AND LETS NOT LEAVE OUT HORACE AND RON HARPER WHO WERE VERY GOOD DEFENSIVELY WITH ONE OF THE BEST DEFENSIVE TEAMS IN THE LEAGUE KOBE HAS TO GUARD GUYS LIKE, IVERSON, CARTER, TMAC, LEBRON, GINOBLI, D-WADE,ARENAS, CARMELO, AND ANY OTHER 1, 2, OR 3 GUARD IN THE LEAGUE. NAME ANY OTHER PLAYER WHO PLAYS GUARD HAS TO GUARD THIS MANY GREAT PLAYERS DEFENSIVELY. JORDAN MOSTLY GUARDED 2 GUARDS AND OUT OF HIS OWN MOUTH SAID MOST OF HIS DEFENSE WAS HELP DEFENSE. JORDAN’S ADVANTAGE OFFENSIVELY BECAUSE HE WAS QUICKER THAN KOBE TRIED TO BEAT HIS DEFENDERS MOSTLY WITH HIS QUICKNESS AND ONCE HE GOT PAST YOU IT WAS OVER WITH. NO ONE IN NBA HISTORY IS BETTER AT GOING TO THE HOLE THAN JORDAN. HE MAY HAVE HAD A SLIGHTLY BETTER MID-RANGE SHOT. BUT KOBE HAS MORE RANGE, SLIGHT BETTER FREE THROW SHOOTER, BETTER CLUTCH 3PT SHOOTER, HAS MORE WEAPONS IN HIS OFFENSIVE ARSENAL. REMEMBER, I THINK 2003 WHEN SHAQ WAITED TO HAVE FOOT SURGERY KOBE WENT ON THOSE 30+, 35+, AND 40+ SCORING STREAKS. JORDAN DID THIS WITH PIPPEN AND HIS BULL TEAMS PLAYING. KOBE THE ONLY OTHER STAR ON HIS TEAM REALLY DIDN’T HAVE ANY HELP, JUST A SUPPORTING CAST AROUND HIS. NO TEAM IN THE NBA’s #1 PLAYER DID WHAT KOBE DID AND HE’S THE #2 PLAYER ON THE TEAM NEXT TO SHAQ. WHEN 2 PLAYERS ARE THE SAME HEIGHT AND THERE GAME’S CAN BE COMPARED BECAUSE OF THEIR SUPERIOR GAME IT’S ALMOST LIKE SPLITTING HAIRS. MOST PEOPLE WILL GO FOR WHO THEY LIKED BETTER. YEAH JORDAN HAS 6 RINGS, BUT DO YOU EVER HER JORDAN AND PIPPEN HAVE 6 RINGS AND JORDAN HAS NEVER GOTTEN OUT OF THE 1ST ROUND OR HAD A WINNING SEASON, MAYBE ONE, WITHOUT PIPPEN ON HIS TEAM. LOOK AT THE LIST WITH MAGIC, BIRD, JORDAN, WILT, KAREEM, RUSSEL, AND OSCAR, THE UNANIMOUS LIST OF GREATEST PLAYERS THAT YOU ALWAYS SEE, MJ IS THE ONLY ONE ON THIS LIST WHO LEFT A TEAM AND THEY WON JUST AS MANY WITHOUT HIM, 57 FROM THE 1ST 3 PEAT AND 55 THE YEAR WITHOUT HIMS BECAUSE OF PIP WHO ALONG WITH DAVE COWENS ARE THE ONLY 2 PLAYERS IN NBA HISTORY TO LEAD THERE TEAM IN POINTS, REBOUNDS, BLOCKS, STEALS AND ASSISTS. IF JORDAN MADE HIS TEAM MATES BETTER THAN HOW COULD PIP HAVE HIS BEST SEASON EVER IF JORDAN WASN’T THERE TO HELP HIM DO IT. OH BY THE WAY, KERR, GRAND AND BJ ALSO HAD THERE BEST SEASONS EVER. KERR WAS THE HIGHEST 3PT% PLAYER OF ALL TIME WHEN JORDAN WAS PLAYING BASEBALL. DENNIS WAS ALREADY THE BEST REBOUNDER AND LUC LONGLEY AVERAGE 7 POINTS BEFORE HE PLAYED WITH JORDAN AND WITH HIM AND 7 POINTS PER GAME PLAYING WITH JASON KIDD. CLOSING STATEMENT ANY AND ALL PLAYERS IN THE GAME OF BASKETBALL ARE ONLY AS GOOD AS THE PLAYERS THAT PLAY WITH THEM ON THEIR TEAM. THEY ALL NEED HELP NO ONE CAN DO IT BY THEMSELVES. THE CLOSEST PERSON IS PROBABLY MAGIC JOHNSON WHO CAN GET 40 POINTS IF NEEDED, 15 ASSISTS IF NEEDED, HIT CLUTCH FREE THROWS, GET 10+ REBOUNDS IF NEEDED, GET AT LEAST 2 STEALS, YES MAGIC PLAYED DEFENSE. HE LEAD THE LEAGUE BACK TO BACK IN STEALS, I BELIEVE 81 AND 82, HIT A 3, AND AS WE ALL KNOW MAKES EVERYONE ON THE TEAM BETTER AND CAN PLAY ANY POSITION ON THE FLOOR. “MAGIC JOHNSON IS THE MOST VALUABLE BASKETBALL PLAYER OF ALL-TIME” IF YOU REALLY UNDERSTAND AND KNOW THE GAME THERE IS NO ARGUMENT, PERIOD.

  • CARLA LEE

    LOOK MAN! I ADMIRE KOBE FOR WHAT HE DID IN HIS PREVIOUS CAREER BUT
    C’MON THIS IS STUPID! WE ALL KNOW KOBE CHOKED IN THE FINALS TWICE!
    MIKE WON IN EACH FINALS HIS IN!
    IM NOT AGAINST KOBE BUT IT’S OBVIOUS KOBE EMULATED HIS GAME,
    HIS MOVES, HIS MANNERISMS(EVEN IN THE INTERVIEWS) AFTER MIKE!
    HIS PATHENTED FADE-AWAY MOVE IS COPIED!
    C’MON PEOPLE ARE YOU ALL BLINDED KOBE DIMENSIONS? HE’S A CLONE!!!
    IN THE SPOTLIGHT, GLITZ AND GLAMOR OF THE LA. MEDIA, COPYING
    MOVES FROM MIKE THEN YOU ALL SAY HE’S THE GREATEST?
    AND BESIDES THE DEFENSE OF TODAY’S GAME IS A BUNCH OF PUSSY CALLS!
    I TOUCH YOU IT’S A FOUL!!!!
    YEAH RIGHT! NOW YOU SAY THE COMPETITION TODAY IS FAR MORE
    FIERCE THAN MJ’S ERA?? IM NOT HATIN’ I LOVE KOBE BUT PLEASE
    YOU STUPID REDNECKS JUST TRYING TO ASCEND KOBE TO THE THRONE
    OF MIKE, THAT’S IMPOSSIBLE!!!!!

  • CARLA LEE

    AND THE 3 CHAMPIONSHIP KOBE OWNS IS COURTESY OF SHAQUILLE O’NIEL!
    WHO WON EVERY MVP IN THOSE CHAMPIONSHIPS?? SHAQ!!!!
    SHAQ- 3 CHAMPIONSHIPS
    KOBE – SIDEKICK!
    MJ- 6 CHAMPIONSHIP, NOT A SIDEKICK!
    HAHAH!
    BUT STILL, KOBE IS THE BEST TODAY. HANDS DOWN BUT TO COMPARE HIM
    TO MJ IS JUST BOGUS..

  • kobe-wan kenobi

    [Comment ID #48136 Will Be Quoted Here]

    ab…your link is pathetic…did you really watched it?
    if you wanted to show about mj superiority in offense…that is really the wrong one…
    obvioulsy in the whole clip there is no 1 double team…!!!!
    it is pretty obvious defenders back than are not at same level than now, and even though you could do handchecking…you could not double or triple team anyone…if kobe could play in isolation like mj and go 1on1 the whole game wout double/triple teams…his numbers would be unreal
    1/3 of the time mj was shooting with the defender feet away from him…i mean with those kind of defense kobe would have score 100…i am pretty sure

    that said, until kobe wins rings on his own, he is no mj…

  • kobe-wan kenobi

    i forgot to mention
    when kobe 19 years old played against mj, he scored 36 kobe 33
    they were defending each other…
    so i dont see how mj could stop kobe…if he could not do it when he was 19, he could not certainly do it when kobe in his prime…

  • angehl8

    Fuck MJ!! very arrogant to say it a no contest!!look at the greatness of Kobe’s fundamental compare to yours faggot!!!!

  • LEADERFISH

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    MJ is better than Kobe without a doubt.

  • Soho

    Let’s start at the beginning. MJ wasn’t good enough to jump to the NBA from High School. Kobe was and did. The only thing an MJ apologist can say is that perimeter players didn’t do that back then. Well so what? They would if they were good enough, Kobe was good enough. MJ went to a team where he faced ZERO competition to play. Kobe had to beat out TWO NBA ALL STARS (Nick and Eddie) just for playing time. Not only did Kobe beat them out by age 19, he was the reason they were sent packing to other teams by the time he was 20-21. Shaq, the self-proclaim MDE, didn’t win a thing until he learned to play with Kobe. It’s not that Shaq didn’t have talent at the perimeter before Kobe came along, he had Penny, Nick, and Eddie. MJ apologists like to say that stick an average WINGMAN with Shaq and that gives you a title. Well, Penny, Nick, and Eddie, was proof that wasn’t the case. MJ apologists love to say that Shaq made Kobe’s life easier with all the double teams Shaq drew, but if anything that made life easier for Rick Fox, Rice, or Grant, because Kobe’s man wasn’t leaving him to help out on Shaq. Besides, if Shaq made Kobe’s life easier, it wasn’t reflected in his numbers. Kobe’s numbers increased AFTER shaq left the Lakers. What MJ apologists really hate to hear is the fact that MJ never made it to the finals with as little help or talent as Kobe had in 2008. Jordan had a top 50 All Time NBA Player in Pippen, and the greatest rebounder of his era in Rodman. More importantly, MJ never played a single professional game with as little talent as Kobe had in 2005-06. Kwame and Tierre Brown, Smush Parker, and Chucky Atkins? Jordan couldn’t take that team to the playoffs. Mental toughness? Kobe is a hands down winner. Personal issues (colorado) never drove Kobe from the game, it elevated his game. Personal issues (gambling and fathers death) broke MJ mentally and forced him from the game. Kobe has never quit the NBA. Jordan quit twice but lacked the sack to call it that, so he hid behind the term “retirement.” I saw MJ play plenty of times. I’ll take Kobe . . . every time!

  • gio

    too bad, mj won 3peats twice as the bulls leader…kobe is a supporting role to shaq in his 1st 3peat… then kobe got swept in 2011 breaking his dreams of his own 3peat.mj has leadership and great skills.kobe maybe better as an individual player,…BUT unfortunately basketball is a team sport. moreover, with the lakers strong line up this 2011, they could not even come close to 72 wins as established by the ’96 bulls, and worst, THEY GOT SWEPT! sigh kobe

  • gio

    to add more, this 2011 season….kobe and the lakers look like they lost their desire to win….probably thats why they got swept. MJ always has the heart and huge desire in winning. this is what made him better than kobe…sorry kobe fans…peace

  • gio

    to add more, this 2011 season….kobe and the lakers look like they lost their desire to win….probably thats why they got swept. MJ always has the heart and huge desire in winning. this is what made him better than kobe…sorry kobe fans…peace