There’s been some word that a Odom for Marion trade could be in the works (again). Training camp and media day and just days away. We’ll keep a close eye on this one, should be interesting.

Sporting News:: Shawn Marion, L.A. Laker? If he has his way, that will happen.

According to a league source, the Lakers and Suns have been in discussions about a deal — a blockbuster deal — that would send the four-time All-Star to Los Angeles to play alongside Kobe Bryant. The Suns would get forward Lamar Odom and perhaps some salary-cap filler in return. The main obstacle appears to be Lakers owner Jerry Buss, who needs to OK the deal. Asked to handicap the likelihood of the deal going through, the source said, “50-50.”

Upon hearing this, I caught up with Marion this afternoon by phone. He confirmed that he spoke with Bryant over the weekend, but added, “I’ve been friends with Kobe for a while, so we talk here and there, anyway.”

Still, Marion was enthusiastic about the potential trade. “Why wouldn’t I be?” he said. “You have a great organization, great ownership there with the Lakers. I don’t see no problems with playing there.”

This, it appears, would be a good fit for everyone. It has been a rocky summer for Marion and the Suns, who drafted him out of UNLV in 1999 but have been unwilling to give him a contract extension. Marion is the highest-paid player on the team, and he can opt out of the final year of his deal and become a free agent next summer.

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  • PHANTOM

    do it mitch. it probably doesnt make us that much better but we cant get any worse than we are right now!!!

  • http://www.myspace.com/dbricks DBricks

    I say DOOO it. We gotta have a change. I love LO but he is what he is. Hes not going to change, we need a change we have to try this!

  • lonestar848

    I agree. Marion isn’t that much of an upgrade but we do need some sort of change.

  • http://hzmdesigns.com hZm

    I say go for it.

    Bring in Marion, it will cause mismatches. He’s also a better defender.

    But who will play at the 4?

  • gstoneballer

    i say go for it as well.. I think Marion is a better fit for the triangle. The only think odom does better than marion is pass. I like marion. about the 4 situation. I wouldnt mind starting ronnie there. or maybe put marion there at times all according to the match up blut i hope this deal goes down. o ya someone should try to find the audio of this interview so we can hear of marion was as a dejected as kobe bryant was. lol

  • Shaq786

    3-way trade(LAL/IND/PHX):

    LAL trades: Kwame, Odom, Farmar, Brian Cook, 3 mill cash, ’08 first round pick, ’10 first round pick, and sasha
    LAL Receives: Granger, Jeff Foster, Darell Armstrong and Jermaine O’neal

    IND trades: Jermaine O’neal, Granger, Jeff Foster, and Darell Armstrong
    IND Recieves: Kwame, Shawn Marion, ’10 first round pick, and Barbosa

    PHX Trades: Shawn Marion and Barbosa
    PHX Recives: Odom, Farmar, Brian Cook, 3 mill cash, ’08 first round pick, turaif, and sasha

    Our line up:

    D-Fish/D.Armstrong/Javaris
    Kobe/Mo/(Coby)/(Sun Yue)
    Granger/Walton
    Jermaine/(webber)/(e.brown)
    Bynum/Mihm/Jeff Foster

  • Shaq786

    or,…3-way trade(LAL/Utah/PHX):

    LAL trades: Kwame, Odom, Farmar, Brian Cook, 3 mill cash, ‘08 first round pick, ‘10 first round pick, and sasha
    LAL Receives: Shawn Marion, AK47 and Paul Milsapp

    Utah trades: AK47 and Paul Milsapp
    Utah Recieves: Kwame, ‘10 first round pick, and Barbosa

    PHX Trades: Shawn Marion and Barbosa
    PHX Recives: Odom, Farmar, Brian Cook, 3 mill cash, ‘08 first round pick, turaif, and sasha

    Our line up:

    D-Fish/Javaris
    Kobe/Mo/(Coby)/(Sun Yue)
    Marion/Walton
    AK47/Paul Millsapp/(webber)
    Bynum/Mihm

  • Shaq786

    to keep odom, and bring in marion…

    or,…3-way trade(LAL/Utah/PHX):

    LAL trades: Kwame, Farmar, turaif, Brian Cook, 3 mill cash, ‘08 first round pick, ‘10 first round pick, and sasha
    LAL Receives: Shawn Marion and Paul Milsapp

    Utah trades: AK47 and Paul Milsapp
    Utah Recieves: Kwame, ‘10 first round pick, and Barbosa

    PHX Trades: Shawn Marion and Barbosa
    PHX Recives: AK47, Farmar, Brian Cook, 3 mill cash, ‘08 first round pick, turaif, and sasha

    Our line up:

    D-Fish/Javaris
    Kobe/Mo/(Coby)/(Sun Yue)
    Marion/Walton
    Odom/Paul Millsapp/(webber)
    Bynum/Mihm

  • Tim-4-Show

    There’s no way Phoenix trades Marion & Barbosa for the crap you’re suggesting. Odom and some garbage? No way. AK47 and some garbage, yeah, I wish.

  • foxxy

    “DO SOMETHING AND DO IT NOW”

  • Michael_23

    No. Keep Odom. The only deal that I would let Odom go was for Garnett.

    If we can get Marion, Odom, and Kobe on the same team, I think this will attract current free agents like Chris Webber or PJ Brown. They will be like Garnett and say, “Oh! They have a good team now, I’ll hop on! Easiest way to get a ring!”

    haha.

  • lakerfan81

    I don’t think I like this trade. Marion is slightly better scorer, they are about the same on rebounding. Marion is a better wing defender (only slightly though) but Odom is a better post defender (the numbers justify that: Odom let opposing fours shoot 50.4% and have a PER of 17.4, Marion allowed them to shoot 53% with a PER of 19.4. from Kurt at forum blue and gold to give credit for doing the research). Marion is not nearly as good a passer as Odom is either. I also do not think he fits into the triangle as a PF very well. Plus Marion gets paid way too much and he said that he wants an extension at 20M per. Thats just ridiculous Odom is overpaid at 13M and Marion’s numbers are only slightly better than his.

  • PHANTOM

    Shaq where do you come up with these crazy trades?

  • Shaq786

    jus foolin around…

    but on the real, i would be happy if we traded odom and cook… for Marion and DJ/Tucker

  • ab4sure

    Lakerfan81, those are some good points. Where can we look at some of these stats??? I have to admit I am uncertain on this trade. I don’t know what I would do. My biggest fear is to see Odom reach his full potential with the Suns. He seems perfect for the Suns system while at the same time Marion seems better in this system than Odom. While this would give the Lakers a different look I truly believe Odom would make the Lakers regret they ever traded him. I would hate to see that happen and give the Suns not only a better team next year but a better team for years to come. Remember Odom is only 27 and his game is mostly on the floor. He doesn’t rely on his athletic ability. Marion is 29 and relies on his athleticism much more than Odom. Right now 55% of me says no to the trade, while 45% says yes let’s do it. Please someone break this trade down in more detail like 81 did. Maybe that would give us a better idea if this trade is a good one to do. Those who say just do it are not very convincing.

  • lakerfan81

    ab4sure. I am not sure where those particular stats came from. I copied them from a post at forumblueandgold.com. Kurt the person who runs the forum put them up, he always has stats like that but I am not sure where he gets them. They have a really good discussion about this trade there if you want some more opinions on it.

  • fatty

    I don’t get it. The trade doesn’t make us that much better, but it weakens us at the PF (4) and over loads us at the SF (3) Marian, Luke, Vladimir.

    Unless, something else is in the works that would fill the 4 and lose Vladimir, it doesn’t seem to really help the Lakers, while making the hated PHX Suns much better.

    If Kwame and Vladimir (15 mil) are being packaged for a new PF, then were talking. But that doesn’t seem likely this close to the season starting.

  • SILO

    PG:Fisher
    SG:Kobe
    SF:Marion
    PF:Kwame
    C:Bynum

  • fatty

    Silo

    PF would have to be able to score. And Kwame can’t, but he can play D.
    Add Mihm to the PF spot as well as Ronny and it could work.

  • Michael_23

    Kobe is an NBA player AND a general manager now.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=adande_ja&page=Marion

    Give him Mitch’s salary.

  • SILO

    [quote comment=”13744″]Silo

    PF would have to be able to score. And Kwame can’t, but he can play D.
    Add Mihm to the PF spot as well as Ronny and it could work.[/quote]

    not really. the power forward spot in past years has not been a scoring job but a defensive job. to guard players like, duncan,kg,JO,Amare ect.

    Lord knows, kobe,fishers, Marion, and possibly bynum can pick up the scoring slack for the starting 5.

    No way i would let Mihm play the 4. just can see it plus it makes the bench weak, with both kwame and mihm on the floor.

    Ronny wouldnt mind, huge energy play but he is more effective off the bench.

  • kgmvp

    I say go for it this team needs to change now. The kobe-odom thing is not working. 3 seasons with odom what happend???
    1st year: Didn´t go to the playoffs
    2nd year: went to the playoffs but lost in 7 games in the 1st rd
    3rd year: went to the playoffs but lost in 5 games in the 1st rd
    The Lakers need to trade him now. If the lakers get marion and maybe sign c-webb or a good player who knows this team might just improve.

  • nyla

    Of course the Suns want Odom. He’s a cheap Marion. Okay…I’m not going to go that far. But Odom did own Marion in almost every match up.

    Man, this is so hard. When you first look at this, it makes perfect sense. We get a better defender, an All Star. It appeases Kobe and it makes the Lakers and him one big, happy family again. But what do the Suns get? I’m assuming we’ll offer Odom and Cook. I, for one, don’t like that. They will flourish in that system!

    Many will say who cares. And thats easy to just worry about us and how we’ll get Marion, but we can’t. The Suns are our rivals! We can’t make them better while we’re getting only a little better.

    To get to the Finals, we’d most likely have to go through Phoenix. Who wins?:

    Suns
    Nash/Bell/Odom/Diaw/Amare
    Bench: Barbosa/Hill/Cook

    Lakers
    Fisher/Kobe/Walton/Marion/Kwame
    Bench: Evans/Turiaf/Bymnum/Vlad/Farmar ?? Scary.

    And I don’t like Cook, but I do not want to see him draining 3 balls in our face during the playoffs. Any other team he sucks, Phoenix he’ll flourish along with LO.

    Sorry if this doesn’t all make complete sense lol. I’m getting ready for class and trying type this fast. Plus, my head’s a bit all over the place.

  • fatty

    Silo

    Mihm in an interview has said he was asked to play some 4 this year.
    Those are the Lakers plans, not mine.

    Lakers tried Kwame at the 4 and nobody guarded him making the Lakers having to play 4 on 5. Even when he plays center, teams were not guarding him allowing other teams to zone up the middle.

    Besides, I never heard of a PF that couldn’t catch the ball, let alone a NBA player. lol

  • nyla

    [quote comment=”13742″]I don’t get it. The trade doesn’t make us that much better, but it weakens us at the PF (4) and over loads us at the SF (3) Marian, Luke, Vladimir.

    Unless, something else is in the works that would fill the 4 and lose Vladimir, it doesn’t seem to really help the Lakers, while making the hated PHX Suns much better.

    If Kwame and Vladimir (15 mil) are being packaged for a new PF, then were talking. But that doesn’t seem likely this close to the season starting.[/quote]

    Exactly!

    One other thing I don’t like so much about Marion is his contract. He’s gonna ask for an extension for 20 mil and prob 4-5 years. I’m not feeling that. Especially after Kobe’s threats of leaving. If he walked, we’d be stuck with an overpaid, overrated 32 yr old Marion.

  • SILO

    [quote comment=”13750″]Silo

    Mihm in an interview has said he was asked to play some 4 this year.
    Those are the Lakers plans, not mine.

    Lakers tried Kwame at the 4 and nobody guarded him making the Lakers having to play 4 on 5. Even when he plays center, teams were not guarding him allowing other teams to zone up the middle.

    Besides, I never heard of a PF that couldn’t catch the ball, let alone a NBA player. lol[/quote]

    he barely even played this year so i doubt they will immediately push him into the four spot unless he comes off the bench. unless they feel comfortable and extremely confident after the pre-season to start him at 4.

  • fatty

    Nyla brings up an interesting point. The Lakers have to travel thru PHX on the way to the finals. This trade would strengthen the Suns in their quest for the title. Make them a much better team. Good Lord, they are tough enough already. I’m not sure if we are even better with Marian on board.

    And what happens to Luke and Vladimir? How do they fit in? That puts 27 mil at one roster spot. Who gets playing time?

    Marian 38-41 minutes (16.5 mil)
    Luke and Vladimir share 7-10 minutes per game (10-11 mil)

  • MILO

    Guy’s, Shawn Marion is nothing but a cherry picker…I totaly disagree with anyone who is saying he has more defense than LO.You guy’s are oblivious to his lack of defense because of how desperate you are for the Lakers to make a trade just for the sake of making one.That to me is not a good trade at all, Marion along with the entire Phoenix team (except Bell) dont play defense.I could even throw Denver in there as a no defense team (except Camby) there for if we cant pick up someone who will contribute in both defense and ofense then i’ll settle for the roster as it is now.We should focus on Jermain O’neal and if Bird continues to ask for too much for him then forget it let’s just keep the same roster untill Bird get’s desperate…

  • http://cokespill.com/english/band/jonny.html joninjapan

    shaq can you figure out a trade package that brings in AK-47 (presumably built around Brown)

    and then a trade that brings in Shawn Marion (presumably built around odom)

    we could probably offer Odom and Cook for Marion

    and maybe get away with Kwame, Mo Evans, and sasha for AK-47

    i didnt look at the numbers or anything but if we could pull that trade off it would be incredible. . in theory

    D-Fish/Farmar
    Kobe/Critter
    Matrix/Luke
    AK-47/Vlad Rad/Turiaf
    Bynum/Mihm

    this only works because, as far as i remember, AK-47 plays better at the 4 spot

  • nyla

    Its times like this that makes me want to shake Kobe for making his trade demands public. We would be holding all the cards right now.

  • ab4sure

    Maybe not all the cards Nyla, but definitely we would have a better hand.

  • Mien

    Marion fits that scottie pippen type player but actually a tidbit better… we all know he’s better than lamar defensively..his 1.5blks per game, 2 steals is beautiful… marion (1.5blks), turiaf (1.5blks), and bynum (2 blks) will be beautiful in the front court. This guy could probably help spare kobe on the defensive end. Tmac, wade, lebron, durant come to town and kobe could assign marion to lock up these guys with kobe’s help ofcourse, and kobe could concentrate on running the offense and getting everybody involve. This team will improve a whole lot defensively.. Offensively, the triangle offense will still run smoothly even without lamar’s ball handling skills.. j.critt, farma, fisher, walton and kobe can all help run the offense. From the report i’m hearing about bynum and his much improved conditioning with Zarzana, i would think bynum has improve in the paint and we know he was a decent passing big man. Plus Marion comes to play all 82games..this team had always done well when all the starter were playing..With marion at SF, that’s one less starter to worry about falling to injury.
    Plus marion can go left and right and not limited offensively. He will live off the attention kobe will be receiving and we all know how gifted an offensive rebounder he is. This guy will avg 20-25ppg with kobe easily..don’t listen to that crap that he’s a product of d’antonie’s offense.. WITH MARION AND A HEALTHY MIHM AND BYNUM, THIS TEAM IS GOING TO THE CONF. FINALS..YOU HEARD IT FROM ME FIRST.

  • Mien
  • lakerfan81

    heres a far fetched idea but….

    WHat if the Lakers traded for Marion then got him to opt out after this season. If Cook was involved in that trade that would drop 18.05M off of the cap next year. 9.5M When Kwame’s contract expires. That would give the lakers a payroll of apporoximately 41.8M. If the cap is set at about 57M that would leave the lakers 15M to sign FA’s. there are some good ones that might be available too, JO, Brand (that would be awesome especially if Bynum develops to solid rotation guy this year).

  • MacBSlick

    Heres both thier stats have fun comparing an 6 time Allstar to a player whos been injured almost every year hes played. enjoy! Lamars http://www.nba.com/playerfile/lamar_odom/career_stats.html. Marions http://www.nba.com/playerfile/shawn_marion/career_stats.html

  • lakerfan81

    If Marion were to play SF than it might be a good trade. But he is replacing Odom who play PF, so Marion will be needed to play PF. I think Marion is a very gifted basketball player, but Odom is better suited for the 4 than Marion is. Marion is a better wing defender but Odom is a better post defender. Marion is slightly better than Odom but not enough to justify the difference in salary.

    He want an extension of 20M per!!!! Are you kidding me.

  • daboss1848

    That 20 per may be a way to force a trade . . . otherwise he sure does have a hyperinflated view of himself.

  • PHANTOM

    [quote comment=”13760″]heres a far fetched idea but….

    WHat if the Lakers traded for Marion then got him to opt out after this season. If Cook was involved in that trade that would drop 18.05M off of the cap next year.

    9.5M When Kwame’s contract expires. That would give the lakers a payroll of apporoximately 41.8M. If the cap is set at about 57M that would leave the lakers 15M to sign FA’s. there are some good ones that might be available too, JO, Brand (that would be awesome especially if Bynum develops to solid rotation guy this year).[/quote]

    that sounds like an awesome idea. jo at 15m. for 5 years would put us at contenion and thats all we want is a chance.

  • as1084

    DONT DO IT!!! Odom creates his own shots and I haven’t seen Marion create his own shots. half of his shots are ally-oops from nash. that is all i see him do!! and stop mentioning JO. bird wants to gut the team that trades for JO! JO might be a possibility at the trade deadline, but not now!!

  • TonyStarks79

    All I’m saying is Odom is injury prone and Marion has only sat out 15 games at most for his entire career! If you guy’s forgot Odom’s shoulder is not looking that good..He’s behind schedule and could miss the beginning of the season…I love LO but man…Let’s get the Matrix!!HE WAS AN ALL STAR BEFORE NASH,AMARE, AND D’ANTONI CAME TO THE SUNS!..so you can’t hate the guy..I SAY DO IT MITCH!!

  • TonyStarks79

    Let’s get the Matrix!!!

    “But two of the most memorable Suns plays over the past two seasons involved Marion, and you probably don’t even know it. He grabbed the offensive rebound that led to Tim Thomas’ shot that let the Suns pull out Game 6 against the Lakers in the 2006 playoffs. And he chased down the offensive rebound and set up Nash for a 3-pointer in the Suns’ big regular-season statement game against Dallas last March”

  • as1084

    dont blame the front office for holding this trade up. I am actually siding with the FO. I read that the lakers want to do the trade but the lakers dont want to sign marion for 20 mil a year! blame marion not the lakers! giving marion 20 mil a year is INSANE….20 mil/year is for the elites of the league and marion is no where near that status. Marion is the one holding up the trade by demanding 20 mil a year and this is something the suns and lakers both agree on…HE ISNT WORTH THAT MUCH MONEY. odom is cheaper, doesnt complain and brings the same skill set!

  • http://www.answerfind.org Daniel

    I couldn’t understand some parts of this article r Marion in the works? at The Lakers Nation – “We Follow Because We Believe.”, but I guess I just need to check some more resources regarding this, because it sounds interesting.