Shocking, aint it?

kbrown.jpgL.A. Times: Question: What is the likelihood that the Lakers finish the season with all three centers? Will one of them be packaged in a trade to try and get Kobe some help?
– Tim Creef, Gaithersburg, Md.

Answer: First and foremost, Andrew Bynum will not be traded . . . at all.

Second and secondmost (it’s OK to make up words sometimes, no?), Chris Mihm is still trying to catch up to the game after a year away from it.

Then you get to Kwame Brown.

He is in the last year of a three-year contract that pays him $9.1 million this season.

Phil Jackson loves his defense in the post, but other teams might love the fact he has an expiring contract that will be off the books after the season. Not to mention that the Lakers will have paid two-thirds of that $9.1 million by the time the Feb. 21 trade deadline rolls around.

In other words, of the three, my money would be on Kwame getting sent somewhere else.

  • dj matt20

    we should just wait until the end of this season when he’s contract is up, and then sign a big player like Brand since he could opt out of his contract this season. the only thing that might hold him back is his loyalty to the clippers. we DON’T need JO we need brand, because he is more dominant than JO. JO just has better defense IMO.

  • http://nba.com IMmichael

    we dont have enough money for brand

    if we trade him now then for who

  • Alvin

    Salary cap will be around 55 mil and the lux cap will be about 67, if we lose Kwame’s 9 mil, we’ll be at a little under 61 mil (everyone’s contract increases in money). What we need to do is trade Vlade for an expiring contract, if we do that we will be under the cap and we can sign Elton Brand to the maximum.

    Bynum, Kobe, Lamar, Brand, Farmar

    That’s would be by far the best starting 5 in the league (even better than Boston’s). We need to change the title of this website to trade Vlade because getting Brand is completely within our reach.

  • kobe24mvp

    Weould should trade him and farmer for Artest and abdur-rahim because it was an actual runor I read on La sports Guru that they agreed in principle to swap kwame for Artest, but they will probably want to dump a contract and they need a point guars especially when they trade Bibby so they will ask for Farmer and more playing time for J-critt. I think theis is a good trade because Artest can easily score more than 20 points a game and hold his man to under 20 points or even less that guy is a monster especially how has been playing lately and he just causes problems on both ends of the court and he is leading the league in three point percentage at 58%!As much as I don’t want to get rid of Farmer it is worth it for Artest one of the NBA’s most Valuable Players if he didn’t have a bad history and at least we have another point guard in J-critt.

  • http://nba.com yalalap

    we dont need to trade farmar…he’s a consistent player…i’d rather trade crittenton…we see the potentials of farmar….

    lakers line up:
    farmar
    kobe
    artest
    brand/jo
    bynum

    bench:

    odom
    mihm
    radmonovic
    fisher
    turiaf
    ariza
    vujacic
    then:
    sign gasol,webber,yue…

    NBA CHAMPS 2008-2009 SEASON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    lakers rule!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • LakersFirst (Change) (Close)

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    Artest and Abdur Rahim for Kwame and Farmar – THAT’S A TERRIBLE TRADE FOR THE LAKERS!! You’re nuts!!! Abdur Rahim is a terrible player and after this year he has 6.2M and 6.6M left on his contract. You don’t want to pay lousy Abdur Rahim this money (that’s more than what Radman and Luke make, individually).

    Plus, you’re willing to sacrifice Farmar, our future point guard of probably the next 10 years (remember Farmar is only 21) for Artest and Abdur Rahim who may only be around 2 or 3 years with the Lakers??? On what planet does this trade make sense??? Artest is NOT worth both Kwame and Farmar. You want the Lakers to give up a player with a great future for players that may only stick around for 2 or 3 years???? Where did you learn to plan for the long term?

  • leo

    farmar is overated….hes good but his best is problly a starting point guard…artest is allstar with super good defense…no raheem though …kwame, farmar for artest….

    fisher, kobe, artest, odom, bynum
    radman, ariza,crittenton,luke,sasha,mihm

    we can compete for championship this year if it happens…..

  • http://nba.com IMmichael

    stfu farmar is perfect where he is leave him alone ok damn we dont need artest ok so just give up

  • kobe24mvp

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    Nov 30th, 2007 at 7:44 pm Click this link to quote this comment in your reply

    Artest and Abdur Rahim for Kwame and Farmar – THAT’S A TERRIBLE TRADE FOR THE LAKERS!! You’re nuts!!! Abdur Rahim is a terrible player and after this year he has 6.2M and 6.6M left on his contract. You don’t want to pay lousy Abdur Rahim this money (that’s more than what Radman and Luke make, individually).

    Plus, you’re willing to sacrifice Farmar, our future point guard of probably the next 10 years (remember Farmar is only 21) for Artest and Abdur Rahim who may only be around 2 or 3 years with the Lakers??? On what planet does this trade make sense??? Artest is NOT worth both Kwame and Farmar. You want the Lakers to give up a player with a great future for players that may only stick around for 2 or 3 years???? Where did you learn to plan for the long term?
    # Gravatar Icon 7 leo

    First of all laker first its stupid to totally plan for the future especially when you have one of the best players of all time to waste his prime when you can put talent around him and could probably win a few rings which is better for the franchise and you could still keep a few young guys especially Bynum I’m not saying to trade him but you worry about the future later, especially when you have the best coach and one of the best palyers of all time!!!! It may never happen again what do you not understand laker first you don’t know how to make the most of the situation that you have now where did you learn that from. The Spurs the top team of the decade have the oldest players in the league and do they care! No because they win the darn championship 4 times in the last 7 years and they will go down as one of the best teams ever so its stupid to just waste this opputunity.I was just saying to trade one point guard and we still have another one we also have Bynum,Turiaf,Ariza,Sasha and marc gasol and sun yue and we draft young players every year that is enough for the freakin’ future our goal should be to win now and keep some of the young guys and trade some then you have guys that can win now and later and when the young guys become good that will make you an even better team that is the smart way to plan it out.

  • Tim

    i think we should send Kwame and some more players out (no starters) for a starting PF, since we’re weak at the PF, so no, we dont need Artest unless you would trade Lamar for him and get a good starting PF from Kwame and others

  • kobe24mvp

    i think we should send Kwame and some more players out (no starters) for a starting PF, since we’re weak at the PF, so no, we dont need Artest unless you would trade Lamar for him and get a good starting PF from Kwame and others

    Just bescause we do the Artest trade doesn’t mean we can’t trade for a power forward I would rather trade lamar for a power forward not artest and with trading Kwame and others you can’t get a good starting power forward like Gasol or O’neal for Kwame and others where have you been. We do the Artest trade and then trade lamar,turiaf,raddmonivic for Jo or another good power forward like Gasol then we will have a balance of young guys and vets and we could take on any team with a line-up of fisher/kobe/Artest/O’neal/Bynum and our great bench with young talent.

  • lakers4life

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    wtf r u smoking? how do u expect u get those players?

  • RYAN
  • http://nba.com yalalap

    i think its the time to trade the inconsistent odom,kwame and 2 rounders for jo and shawne williams….and sign free agents like webber for veteran mins….if the FO will never do this trade the lakers will never go to the playoffs…period!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • dj matt20

    alright ryan not to be offensive but come on please don’t post stupid trades like this that aren’t realistic at all it’s a complete waste of time…

  • Tim

    hm, how about this trade? im not very good at doing trades so dont bash on me if i give you a bad trade

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=981~617~1016~91~497&teams=12~12~12~13~13&te=&cash=

    this way it would be:

    PG: Derek Fisher
    SG: Kobe Bryant
    SF: Corey Maggette
    PF: Elton Brand
    C: Bynum

  • LakersFirst (Change) (Close)

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    kobe24mvp – Again you are completely in the wrong here. It is not stupid to plan for the future. All teams plan for the future. The best basketball teams are those that have a balance of competing in the present and the future. You are willing to sacrifice good players, who can possibly stay with the Lakers and compete for the next 10 to 12 years, such as Farmar (who clearly has a bright future), for two or three years of potential championships. What happens after two or three years when these supposed veterans leave the Lakers or are straddled with injury? Answer: Your future is f’d because you’ve given away all of your youth.

    Everyone is so concerned here about winning a championship with Kobe. NEWSFLASH!!! THERE IS LAKER LIFE BEYOND KOBE BRYANT!!!

    Yes, the Lakers want to compete now, but they should not be willing to trade away future potential all stars and sacrifice a decade of competing for maybe 2-3 years of competing. That does NOT make sense.

    Now in your false thinking you mentioned the Spurs and why they are so good. They are not good because they have old players. You fail to realize and appreciate the YOUTH of the Spurs and how they meshed with their veterans. For example, in 1999 when they won their first title, they had veteran David Robinson as their leader and a young Tim Duncan (only his third year in the league) as the youth on that team. If you do not remember they were known as the Twin Towers. In 2001, the Spurs drafted the 21 year old Tony Parker to play with the now veteran Tim Duncan. My whole point of telling you this is that the Spurs GREW UP TOGETHER!!! That’s why the have been good for so many years. Tony Parker right now is only 25 years old and is the distributor on the that team. Duncan is now the veteran leader on the team. With Ginobili who also grew up with the Spurs (he was drafted by the Spurs in the second round in 1999), he, Parker and Duncan have been, have basically grown up together. In my view, the Lakers are trying to emulate the balance of youth and veteranship that the Spurs have created so they too can be competitive, not for just 2 or 3 years, but for 10 years, like the Spurs have.

    Its obvious you are not very observant of how and why the Spurs have been so good for so long.

    By your name and your comments its become apparent that you only want the Lakers to win a championship if Kobe is on the team. I myself do not care if Kobe is on the team or not when the Lakers win a championship. My question to you would, if Kobe leaves the Lakers in two years and the Lakers win a championship without him, would you be a happy Laker fan. I for one would be!!!

  • kobe24mvp

    17.

    kobe24mvp – Again you are completely in the wrong here. It is not stupid to plan for the future. All teams plan for the future. The best basketball teams are those that have a balance of competing in the present and the future. You are willing to sacrifice good players, who can possibly stay with the Lakers and compete for the next 10 to 12 years, such as Farmar (who clearly has a bright future), for two or three years of potential championships. What happens after two or three years when these supposed veterans leave the Lakers or are straddled with injury? Answer: Your future is f’d because you’ve given away all of your youth.

    Everyone is so concerned here about winning a championship with Kobe. NEWSFLASH!!! THERE IS LAKER LIFE BEYOND KOBE BRYANT!!!

    Yes, the Lakers want to compete now, but they should not be willing to trade away future potential all stars and sacrifice a decade of competing for maybe 2-3 years of competing. That does NOT make sense.

    Now in your false thinking you mentioned the Spurs and why they are so good. They are not good because they have old players. You fail to realize and appreciate the YOUTH of the Spurs and how they meshed with their veterans. For example, in 1999 when they won their first title, they had veteran David Robinson as their leader and a young Tim Duncan (only his third year in the league) as the youth on that team. If you do not remember they were known as the Twin Towers. In 2001, the Spurs drafted the 21 year old Tony Parker to play with the now veteran Tim Duncan. My whole point of telling you this is that the Spurs GREW UP TOGETHER!!! That’s why the have been good for so many years. Tony Parker right now is only 25 years old and is the distributor on the that team. Duncan is now the veteran leader on the team. With Ginobili who also grew up with the Spurs (he was drafted by the Spurs in the second round in 1999), he, Parker and Duncan have been, have basically grown up together. In my view, the Lakers are trying to emulate the balance of youth and veteranship that the Spurs have created so they too can be competitive, not for just 2 or 3 years, but for 10 years, like the Spurs have.

    Its obvious you are not very observant of how and why the Spurs have been so good for so long.

    By your name and your comments its become apparent that you only want the Lakers to win a championship if Kobe is on the team. I myself do not care if Kobe is on the team or not when the Lakers win a championship. My question to you would, if Kobe leaves the Lakers in two years and the Lakers win a championship without him, would you be a happy Laker fan. I for one would be!!!

    What makes you think they can win a championship with farmar and bynum and some of the other young guys? I would be happy if the lakers did win a championship without Kobe once he is gone and I have
    been a laker fan for a very long time. Did you even read what I said
    about keeping bynum and the other young guys who can grow up with Kobe and I didn’t say it was stupid to plan for the future I think its great but to not trade any of them and 100% plan for the future is dumb and when you win nobody worries about that and what you have failed to realize is the spurs haven’t been worrying about the future
    since they drafted Ginobli. I did say that I would want them to have the balance of youth and vets which you failed to bring up it seems you are just skipping over the stuff that I said and not putting that into consideration.Look how the lakers the lakers have been winning and losing their games their defense looks horrible.Even the Denver game it wasn’t because of their defense that they won it was because Denver had an off night and look at last night against the Jazz they were getting in the lanes like it was a walk in the park. If we trade
    a few of our young guys besides bynum and Farmar for good veterans this would make us definely one of the top 5 if not higher depending on who get back. Like a team of Fisher/Kobe/Artest/Jo/bynum would be great with our bench. We just have to trade Kwame and Crittenton for Atest and Odom,turiaf, and Radmonivic for JO and filler then we would still have youth with Farmar,bynum,sasha,ariza and then we have Marc Gasol who is playing great overseas and sun yue and we draft players every year and we will have our big three Kobe,Artest,and Jo which is the right way to win now with our big three and our young talent for the future. Laker First I have been following how the spurs have been put together and the last 6 years since they drafted parker they have not brought in hardly any key young guys and their fine without worrying about the future because they can win it when they want to.
    Laker First Artest is only 28 and Jo is only 29 and Kobe is only 29 they have more than 2 to 3 years to contend with the three of them it will extend their careers because they don’t have much help right now and boston and San Antoni has at least 3 years and they are older because they have the veteran talent needed which extends their careers and they don’t have to take the load themselves, so with that said with Jo,Artest,and Kobe you have at least 4 to five years and then we if your young guys become good that will make it even easier to win now and later so that would be the right way to handle situation instead of losing and letting Kobe walk then we would not be able to win it.

  • LakersFirst (Change) (Close)

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    kobe24mvp – The core youth of the Lakers right now is Bynum, Farmar, Turiaf and Java. None of those players should be traded unless you are going to get All-Star caliber players, however, I do not consider JO and/or Artest worth sacrificing this core youth. I think if these four players grow together, they can help the Lakers compete during Kobe’s tenure with the Lakers and post Kobe.

    Yes, I read exactly what you said, and now you’re contradicting yourself. First you said it is stupid to plan for the future, now you are saying it isn’t. Then you said, “The Spurs the top team of the decade have the oldest players in the league and do they care!” I proved your wrong here when I stated that Parker, Duncan and Ginobili are their “Big 3″ and they are not the oldest in the league. You also must rememer that the Spurs were fortunate to have acquired other role players such as Finley and Horry. Finley was acquired because he was waived by Dallas to avoid luxury taxes. So, Finley went and joined on a team he could compete for a title, so he went to San Antonio. The Spurs acquired Horry in free agency because the Lakers did not renew his contract, and because Horry wanted to move back to Texas, which is where he lives. Horry choose the Spurs because of the three Texas teams, they were the best because they had a good solid Big 3 in Duncan, Parker and Ginobili. Finally, you were saying that the Lakers should trade a youthful player such as Farmar, which I completely disagreed with. Lastly, the Spurs don’t have to worry about their future, because Parker, who is basically the quarterback of that team, is ONLY 25!!

    Now much like everybody else you are ASSUMING the Lakers can acquire both JO and Artest. However, the Lakers are being smart about making a trade because ONE bad trade can screw the Lakers for the next 5 years (i.e. they will be in NY Knick territory where they would have acquired a few bad contracts and have nothing to show for it and be over the salary cap). After this year, the cap relief to the Lakers begins with Kwame’s salary coming off the books, along with Sasha, Turiaf (however, they should resign Turiaf) and after next year, the Laker salary really takes a sigh of relief with Lamar’s $14M off the books and if Kobe opts out, then you really get cap space should the Lakers want to go after Lebron and/or Wade after the 2009/10 season. So the Lakers need to be smart about any major trades/signings.

    Let’s take JO for starters. After this year, JO has two guaranteed years left on his contract, next year paying him $21M and the following year paying his $22.9M. To trade for JO is a huge gamble because Kobe has YET to rescind his trade offer (Kobe is really holding up the Laker organization because he has yet to say if he will be around after the 08/09 season). Say the Lakers do trade LO and say a #1 pick for JO (that’s the only way I would do it), you would have JO with Kobe next year. However, after next year (the 08/09 season), both Bynum and Farmar, should they play well, will be due an extension. If Kobe does not opt-out then the salary for BOTH JO and Kobe, going into the 09/10 season, would be $46M (for just TWO players) How can the Lakers then possibly expect to resign their young players such as Bynum and Farmar to long term contracts? Both Bynum (a center) and Farmar (a point guard) will be needed long term. Now you’re probably saying NO, they won’t need to resign Bynum and Farmar to extensions at that time because they would have guaranteed contracts. As true as that is, if those players are not signed to extensions, then both of those players would end up in the Luol Deng and Ben Gordon position, where they would play another year and then become unrestricted free agents, which the Lakers don’t want. Signing JO is a HUGE gamble.

    Furthermore, your offer of LO/Radman/Turiaf for JO is completely ridiculous. Why would Indy want Radman, who has 3 years and $18+ million left on his contract, when the entire purpose of their trade would be to get expiring contracts? Indy would NOT go for that trade. Think before you suggest a trade. LO and a #1 pick for JO would be the only way to go, but are the Lakers willing to gamble on JO and Kobe ($46M total for those two in 09/10), when you have to resign Bynum and Farmar (and those two will be desired players, should they become free agents).

    Next you’re assuming the Lakers can in some miracle way can acquire Artest. First of all, Sac will NOT send Artest to their division rival. The rumor is the Lakers inquired about Artest over the summer and Sac wanted Kwame, Farmar and a #1 pick for Artest (too much in my opinion). IMO, Artest is only worth Kwame, that’s it (both contracts match and Artest should be acquired only if the Lakers can acquire JO, a power forward player that they desparately need). This brings me to my second point about Artest, the only way the Lakers should get Artest is if they acquired JO. If the Lakers acquire Artest without getting JO, they would have too many small forwards with LO, Artest, Walton and Radman and the trade would not work. Unfortunately Walton and Radman have too many years left on their contracts, so no one will take those two. LO’s makes way more than Artest and LO’s salary is suitable for that of JO’s.

    Now Artest’s contract is not as pricey as that of JO’s because he makes $8M next year. However, you must remember, Artest can opt out of his contract after this year, and demand more money, which he probably will. If Artest is traded to the Lakers during this season, then the Lakers are gambling that Artest won’t opt out of his contract after this year. If the the Lakers trade for Artest and he opts out and takes more money elsehwere, and the Lakers don’t match, they would have only invested in Artest for half a year. However, should the Lakers get Artest and they resign him after the 08/09 season, they will have to sign him for a decent size contract, but the Lakers would probably be well over the salary cap with Kobe and JO hogging $46M and the salary of other Lakers. In addition, the Lakers would somehow need to resign Bynum and Farmar, but because the Lakers would be so cash strapped with JO/KB/RA, they probably would not be able to.

    Obviously you think the Lakers are made of money and can spend whatever they want. Unfortunately, the NBA does not work this way and it is a difficult job to balance signing good players and working within the financial contraints. Don’t just suggest signings without looking at the implications of what damage it could do financially. The Lakers DO NOT WANT TO BECOME THE NY KNICKS OF THE WEST.