L.A. Times: The unforeseen sometimes happens when the Lakers play here.

An inspirational, unexpected midseason victory a year ago. Derek Fisher’s unforgettable “0.4” shot. And on Wednesday, there was the mystery of the disappearing team.

The Lakers controlled almost every facet in the first half but fell apart rapidly in the second half of a 103-91 loss to the San Antonio Spurs at AT&T Center.

They were undone by a careless third quarter in which they were outscored, 31-12, and also ripped out a page from an old playbook as teammates began to defer too often to Kobe Bryant.

If the first half signaled hope for the Lakers without Andrew Bynum — halftime score: 54-45, visiting team — the second half was a reminder of years past, if not their recent game in Seattle, when almost nobody wanted to shoot the ball.

Bryant scored 29 points on 12-for-27 shooting Wednesday and also had nine turnovers, although Coach Phil Jackson pointed to other unnamed suspects.

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  • LA_LAKER FAN

    without bynum we are 2-2
    props to ronny he had a great game the rest of the team nahhhh

  • LakersOnFire

    kobe coming out after the half, taking the first 3 or 4 shots didn’t look like his teammates deferring to him as much as him trying to force it and take over. he masterfully orchestrated the offense in the first half as well as the previous game. hope to see more of that kind of intelligent, controlled play from 24. i think regardless of what happens in this stretch without andrew and trevor, we’ll be able to prove ourselves come playoff time.

  • domidomdomz

    Yesss indeed..

    We’ll Prove ourselves..Bynum is just Bynum..He has not been an All star yet..And other teams that loss their superstars can stand and fight,.I think also us can do it..

    No matter what..Believe, LAkers Nation, Believe..

  • sepehr

    The lakers played good, but our turnovers are killing us every game. Somebody else needs to stepup, such as lamar who can cause many problems with his postup game. good learning experience for a young team and hopefully they can come out and beat a good dallas team. The make or break point for the lakers this season will be the 9 game road trip, if the lakers can win 6-7 games then we will have a decent seeding for the playoffs. With the west so tight it only takes 4-5 losses to be out of the playoffs.

  • junjun

    I BELIEVE!!!!!!! I BELIEVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • LakerSon24

    The lakers showed effort last night, it’s just that the 3rd quarter was just horrible. We should bounce back on friday vs Mavs, I’m predicting a 3 games winning streak, lol.

    Go Lakers Go!

  • e

    i really hope mitch looks at luke’s numbers and realizes that he gets paid way too much in comparison to what he does

  • mplakers

    phil gets the std, std for phil. all of us know what he was trying to do but, common this is a team that needs confidence by winning not by trying to “work things out for themselves”. it’s a young team and they need his hall of fame guidance on almost every play.

    runner up for std—-luke f-ing walton. at this point his nickname should be apple….as in “apple turnovers”.

    good showing by the shorthanded lakers for a majority of the game. the silver lining of this dark cloud was that we had them with a great game plan that for some reason phil and the rest of them abandoned in the third.

    is phil trying to avoid coaching the all-star game again? or is he getting more video ammunition to show to the guys when playoffs rolls around? it has to be one of the two because he is a hall of fame coach and i have faith that he wasn’t that dumb and aloof during that horrendous third quarter.

    on another note, after last night’s performance, sasha and ronny are definitely not subpar any longer. they are as good or better than jordan farmar. it’s plain to see that those three have the “winning” attitude that our laker’s bench needs. at this point, i’d rather see fluke walton, and lamarrrrgggghhh odumb get dumped than any of those three. (mihm and vlad get a pass for now because they are injured)

  • gugy

    I agree that PJ needs to step up and coach this team through the bad times during the game. The 3rd quarter was a good example. He needs to call time outs and make changes.
    I understand his philosophy of having the player figure out what to do but themselves, but this is a young team, needs to be coached.

    But, he has 9 rings and I have none, so I guess he knows what he is doing. Good luck on the next game

  • nyla

    Our inability to adjust to defense and the lack of our own defense killed us in the second half. We really missed an opportunity to get closer to Phoenix in the division last night.

  • nyla

    Oh, and that no one made Duncan play defense.

  • sepehr

    People need to stop bashing Phil Jackson, He has 9 rings and is a great coach. What he did last night might not make sense at the moment, but he believes that sometimes it is better to let the players to work out their problems and lose a game,rather than calling a timeout like 90% of the other coaches when a team goes on a run. These actions will payoff in the long run and only make the laker players smarter and more able to cope with such difficulties in the future. On a side note, people also need to stop saying trade lamar or trade luke, this isnt NBA Live where you trade people with the push of a button. No team is gonna take luke or lamar by themselves as they are overpaid and prone to injuries.

  • cfresh

    lakers played a great game lastnite,15 more points in the third quarter the lakers could of kept up with them

  • daboss1848

    I agree with mplakers and Lakersonfire. Not too concerned with the loss b/c I didnt expect a win, but the game was there for the taking.

    KB coming out firing in the 3rd quarter . . . had he hit those shots – they would have been daggers to put the Spurs on their heels; but, he didnt so it turned the other way.

    PJ – watching the dismal performance w/o timeouts and energy subs (Turiaf, Sasha, Farmar) was definitely a contributor to the snowball effect. Although I understand the PJ mentality of a loss today is worth three wins later by having the players learn by experience rather than lecture, I still cant help but scream “10 mil for this?”

  • KONG!

    Luke Walton has really been in a slump in the last couple of games. Maybe because he knows that his starting position will soon be taken by Trevor Ariza. Walton should really stop posting up with the same move time and again. He would probably be a better player in the D-League.

    Lamar is a great rebounder but needs to be a scoring option now that Bynum is down. He had great post position last night, but I’ve noticed that NBA players like to flop when they are beat down in the low post and get awarded for this. I don’t blame Lamar for not scoring, the refs just had it in for him last night.

  • ab4sure

    [Comment ID #23465 Will Be Quoted Here]

    Sasha “is as good or better than Jordan Farmar”??? Are you serious?

  • mplakers

    ahhhh yeah im serious anymore questions?

  • T-Dub

    Kong…how can you NOT blame Lamar for not scoring. He’s 6’10” with supposedly all this post up ability. He was playing against Finley and Brent Barry for gods sake…they are GUARDS playing out of positon. How can you not take advantage of that MISMATCH! I blame PJ and Lamar. Lamar should have been down on the block demanding the ball. That’s the mentality of this guy. He doesn’t want it! He’s not stepping up when his teammates need him most! I wouldn’t not be surprised if Lamar retired at 30 yrs old. I think he’s playing basketball for everyone except himself!

  • gugy

    If Lamar plays with the same heart and will like he did on last year’s playoffs we would be in a much better situation than we are now.

    He definitely has some issue blocking him from be the player that he can be. He is so insecure, it hurts to see him play. Not sure if PJ can crack his mind and make him the player we all want him to be. Good luck PJ.

  • ab4sure

    Jordan is a better shooter(3pt included)ball handler, distributor, defender and understands the game much better than Sasha. I like Sasha and he can provide scoring off the bench when he is hot and is a chippy defender but he is not better than Jordan Farmar. Anymore questions???

  • LEADERFISH

    Lakers lost because of turnovers and intimidation. I hope PJ makes them view a Thursday matinee of their second half. They lost there composure especially Lamar. I thought he was going to tackle Manu Ginobli on one play.

  • mplakers

    i didn’t ask you any…sasha is just as good a contributor as jordan is off the bench so is ronny…they are a thriple threat off the bench. my point is made i don’t need your opinion on the matter.

  • LakersFirst

    [Comment ID #23486 Will Be Quoted Here]

    Don’t forget about the fact that they let a nobody like Ime Udoka gor for 18 points. Who the f*ck is Ime Udoka???? You can’t let players like that get double digit points!!!

  • e

    [Comment ID #23491 Will Be Quoted Here]

    luke left him wide open so many times

  • ab4sure

    Look at the stats MP. Farmar is better. Case closed.

  • keep24

    Finally! Some of you called it as is.

    Phil Jackson needs to realize that this team is not like his championship teams of the past. This team actually needs to be coached. The Spurs went on a 16-2 run and Phil never called a time out. Never even moved out of his chair. Finally, the Spurs called a time out simply because they got tired of kicking our a$$es.

    I think we have the talent to do well this year. We’re just a Hall of Fame type coach away from getting over the hump. If only we had one …..

    P.S. those 9 rings, well, that’s just yesterdays news.

  • LEADERFISH

    [Comment ID #23491 Will Be Quoted Here]

    Yes, he outplayed Kobe in the 2nd half.

  • DCLAKER

    I’m not mad,I don’t care about who the STD of the day is,I WILL REMAIN AS OPTIMSTIC AS I CAN,HOLD UP……is Kwame still on this team…..G&*$@!@#,M!@#$%&*(*(),Son A B!@#$.They loss because Lakers have NO HEART IN THE INSIDE,Duncan was killin’inside and Udoka,an unknown just had his way but the REAL KILLER WAS,yet again,THE REFS(I’m not going to elaborate,you saw the game).Kwame or DJ is not the answer.It’s obvious the FO is working up something soon,I can feel it.They have to know there’s other talent out there they can match up with AB,there just has to be.Like I said before,Lakers need to find someone(when Bynum is out)who can come in and DO THERE JOB!Yes,Kobe shot horrible but 29 points,it counts for some thing.Where is the inside scoring?Kobe had to rebound a couple of his own shots and put it back in,he or DF shouldn’t have to do that(plus Farmar did it against Denver,A SHAME).

  • mp or mplakers

    ab4sure
    i’m not talking about stats, i’m talking about value…sasha is just as good as farmar or better off the bench, same goes for ronny (each of the three bring something different to the table that other teams must react to in a different manner) …read between the lines so that i don’t have to explain everything to you. now go bother someone else.

  • mp or mplakers

    are you stalking me ab4sure???? that’s freaky weird if you ask me.

  • Flush Odumb

    Good comments T-Dub and LEADERFISH (but watch out – Chipmunk Bryan might start making absurd accusations about you.)

    I think Lamar lacks something upstairs. He’s not exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer. His basketball IQ is on the low end of the scale. I saw that bizarre play where he just blatently shoved the guy guarding him. What was that all about? Luckily the refs didn’t get after him. He was already suspended earlier this year for that STUPID tackle. Not exactly Phi Betta Cappa as Chick would have said. When watching him there are so many times he just makes me ask “what the heck are you doing?”

  • LEADERFISH

    As far as who is better between Jordan and Sasha I would have to go with Farmar. Sasha is a streaky shooter and is one dimensional. Jordan can do more things and that is why he is first off the bench. Jordan is almost three years younger and can get even better. Sasha does help us off the bench, but Farmar runs the offense. I don’t know if Sasha is going to be resigned by the lakers. I know the Lakers love the way Jordan plays and people around the league are talking about how good he is, they are not talking about Sasha the same way.

  • LakersFirst

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    Have to agree, if you ask me to choose between Sasha and Farmar, I would go with Farmar. Farmar is a more consistent shooter this year and is much quicker and better at driving to hole. Sasha has become a better player since his rookie season, but Farmar is the more talented overall player.

  • T-Dub

    I just have an inkling that Farmar will be used as trade bait. Depending on how good Critt really is, I just don’t think you can keep two young players at the same position and other teams wanting both of them. One’s ego will come into play, and he will eventually want his own squad to run. Not to mention you’ll have to pay both eventually. Sooner or later they’re gonna have to decise who they’re going with. Nature of the beast.

  • Hugo Boss

    Keep Farmar 100%.

    Colorado loves the Lakers!

  • Ballin’08

    Kwame looks lost out there and I’m really getting tired of it…so should you Nation…You see everyone hustling for the rebound…and Kwame is already heading the other way before the ball leaves the other players hands…for the love of god, box out!!! If the game was in L.A. I know he would have got booed again…He thinks b/c the Lakers are on the road he doesn’t gotta show up…He’s the reason we lost this game because he’s not even remotely a presence in the game…It’s like the Lakers are playing 4 on 5. You gotta love Ronny’s hustle, you can’t knock him for being out worked a few times by Duncan b/c he’s doing Kwame’s job…

    I’ve gotten on Sasha’s case over and over, b/c he’s too trigger happy, and wants to fling up a shot everytime he touches the ball, but he’s been more consistent in the last few games I’ve seen him in…Still if they wanna trade and “have to” move a guard I’d rather it be Sasha, than Farmar or Crit.

    Wait! Back to Kwame…You can’t count on him to give you an easy basket in the paint, or to provide a dominant or at least threatening presence…so keep him out, Phil. Towards the end when Barry intercepted the ball from Sasha near midcourt for a three…the guy inbounding, Lamar, had a wide open Kwame near the top of the paint…Why didn’t he throw him the ball???…B/c Kwame can’t catch and would have given the ball over anyway…His teamates don’t trust him….Ship him out!!! Trade him for Artest…trade him for magic beans…give him away…”Do something…and do it now!!!”

  • ab4sure

    MP, I think you can see why Farmar is more valuable than Sasha. I know Sasha is your guy and you can keep rooting for his success, I will too because that will mean the laker success.

    I usually only respond to your comments when your thinking is not right, but your not really way off base here about Sasha as you were when you compared Jeff Foster to Bynum. There you were way off base. Had to respond there. No way can you ever compare Bynum to him. That still gives me a good laugh…. lol

  • MILO

    ehhh!

  • MILO

    I think the Lakers are going to have an even tougher time against Dallas 2marrow so hopefully Webber signs 2day so he can help us with Howard and Dork i think LO will have problems with them…Yes im optimistic but yet realistic.And i think Dallas will laugh at the fact that we signed Mbenga he just has no defense no offense nothing!!!

  • shortdiezel

    WHY IS PJ STARTING KWAME OVER TURIAF!!!!!!

    PEOPLE KEEP SAYING PJ HAS 9 RINGS.. BLAH BLAH BLAH.. I KNOW THIS..AND I DO HAVE RESPECT FOR WHAT HE HAS ACCOMPLISHED BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT HE CAN’T BE CRITICIZED..

    TO KEEP SOMEONE ON TOP OF THEIR GAME, WHETHER A COACH OR PLAYER, YOU NEED TO ADAPT AND ADJUST TO DIFFERENT SITUATIONS.. SOMETIMES YOU GET BLINDED BY YOUR OLD WAYS..AND THAT IS THE CASE WITH PJ..

    I THINK HE HAS MADE A LOT OF MENTAL MISTAKES THAT DIDN’T NECESSARILY COST THE LAKERS THE GAME, BUT AFFECTED THE MOMENTUM.. AS YOU KNOW THE LAKERS ARE AT THE BEST WHEN THEY START OFF GOOD.. SO WHY WOULD YOU START LUKE WALTON OVER ARIZA (when he was healthy) and KWAME OVER TURIAF?

    Luke Walton is weak. He can not finish at the basket. Everything he does is in slow motion. His shot is inconsistent and his defensive is mediocre. Does that add up to a starting position? hmm.. NO!!! His ankel is not 100%? OK, then why is he in the starting line up? Some say keep him in the line up until he gets his groove and confidence back, but why? We need all the wins we can get especially since the Western Conference is so tight. Bottom line is.. you need to earn your postition in the starting line up.. and until Luke get his mojo back, PJ should start Ariza over him.. Besides, Luke’s biggest asset is being a facilitator and passer which the 2nd unit needs.

    Ariza on the other hand is a great defender.. the starting line up for any team usually consists of the best players, so why have one of our best defenders on the sideline? In addition, Ariza is a slasher who will strive with players that can get him the ball at the right time.. is that the second unit? NO!

    Now on to Kwame vs. Turiaf.. This really boggles my mind.. Turiaf is better then Kame in every aspect of the game.. Sure Kwame is bigger, but we all know that he has terrible hands and can not finish at the basket.. He has no outside shot and will occasionaly make free throws.. In addition, he plays one style of defense which is holding his position.. this allows the offensive player to adjust their game to his style of defense.. For those that say keep Kwame in the starting 5 so he can build his confidence.. NO NO NO! We have done this for over 3 years and it has NOT worked.

    Turiaf.. what can I say? He has a consistent mid-range jumpshot so it pulls shot blockers away from the hoop.. he can attack the hoop and FINISH (with a thundering 2 handed dunk).. He is a mediocre free throw shooter (but better than Kwame) and a great all-around defender (moves his feet, blocks shots, takes charges, etc).. he is quicker and more athletic.. and is active on the boards.. So why is Kwame starting over Turiaf?

    It is the coaches responsibility to know and understand every player’s strengths and weaknesses, and put them into positions where they can help the team the most..

    Bottom Line: PJ needs to clean his glasses.. start Ariza (when he gets back) over Walton.. start Turiaf over Kwame (while Bynum is out).. call a timeout sooner, especially if the Lakers go down more than 7 points.. teach Lamar how to finish around the basket.. and get rid of Dacos..

    For those of you that say it is easier said than done.. or let me see you do it.. or stop being so negative..

    I AM A DIE HARD LAKER FAN.. my expecations are high but within reason..

  • mplakers

    preach on shortdiezel preach on amen to that…lol

    ab4sure are you really going to bring that up again?..let me remind you that my comparison of bynum versus jeff foster is that when bynum has a bad game his stats are similar to jeff foster’s and that is the reason why we couldn’t jump on the bynum bandwagon. that was a comment i made about a month ago…wow…i am flattered that you remember…you definitely are stalking me…like i said freaky weird. just stop now

  • http://Farmers.com Jcritt.=star

    What happened to crittenton kobe definetly was too tired why couldn’t phil bring him in!

  • somelakerfan1

    i say that they will win the mavs go hom beat NY & Lebron and go on the road and on the road they will finish 8-1 probably 9-0 beacuse of detriot i kno detriot are not playing good as of late but an gunna say a 50-50 on the detriot game.

  • ab4sure

    MP, just think about your comparisons alittle… Jordan is much better than your favorite player Sasha.

  • LakersFirst

    [Comment ID #23502 Will Be Quoted Here]

    I think they are going to try to make J. Critt into a 2 guard to run along side with Jordan at the point. If Java is a legitimate 6’4, they’ll tell him to bulk up in the summer (hit the weight room boy!!) and try him at the two guard over the offseason (summer league) to see how he fares.

  • DCLAKER

    Wallace,Wallace,Wallace(NO NOT WILLIAM)! When I saw the rumor in one of the links,I damn near lost my mind(I’M A LAKER FAN SO IT’S ACCEPTABLE).Ben Wallace in a Laker uniform,just sounds so good.Kwame Brown IS IN A LAKER UNIFORM……AAAAARRRRRRGGGGG.I see people have reacted kinda negatively towards the possible trade(CHI. is wiiling to take Rad/Kwame for BIG BEN) when you should be ELATED.If this trade happens,OH MY GOD!

  • bryan

    [Comment ID #23499 Will Be Quoted Here]

    LOL oh god… why did your vocabulary change of all a sudden? Why are you trying to sound older than you are? http://www.dictionary.com much?

    btw.. “blatently” is spelled blatantly.

    You were also the one that spelled inconsistent wrong. I’m glad that you finally learned that one.

    A good thing that’s coming out of your shyt talking is that now you can finally learn how to spell. Congratulations Mr. Bandwagon man!

  • Odom the worst player

    This Bryan guy always tries to attack people who don’t agree with him. By the way I responded to your stats assumptions, just because someone’s stats says one thing doesn’t always mean they are good. If a person shoots one free throw and makes it and another person shoots 100 free throws and makes 99, does this mean the person with the higher stat is better free throw shooter, again no it doesn’t. Stats don’t always tell the whole story.

  • David

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    Ab4sure I totally agree with you. Anyone who values sasha’s skills that much does not know basketball.

    Mp are you Sasha’s brother? Sasha is a joke. He’s nothing but a soft, no defense, flopping, streaky (more often cold than hot)shooter. The 10 minutes he’s in the game he shoots almost everytime down the floor. Thank you Vlade Divac for scouting Sasha.

  • pio2u

    KRUMMY BROWN just can’t cut it! 9 mil & he’s no better than DJ (TACO) Mbenga. sheesh!

  • bryan

    [Comment ID #23520 Will Be Quoted Here]

    Just like how you attack our players that don’t play up to your expectations right?

  • kobe-wan kenobi

    keep 24
    u r a total dumb SSSSS!!!!!!!!
    if you do not understand that this team without pJAX coaching would barely be around .500!
    wake up
    pjax = greatest coach ever, u just dont get the big picture

  • Roscoe

    lol @ people blaming phil jackson.

  • MILO

    I dont give a rats ass about Miami but id like to know why Ernie Magic or Barkley dont say anything when they clearly saw Wade get fouled at the end of the game and the officials looked the other way.This is fu-ck-en bull sh!t!

  • pjt

    I blame Kwame…in fact I always blame Kwame….It’s always Kwame’s fault when we lose, always…

    the defense was bad in the 2nd half that’s why we lost.

  • MILO

    The NBA officials are blind or just simply helping SA out THEY ARE FU-CK-EN CROOKED!!!

  • mplakers

    i don’t need your opinion to validate mine DAVID. sasha, farmar, and ronny, in my eyes, are all great contributors off the bench.

    what has sasha been labeled as in the last three years here???? huh DAVID…a shooter..that’s right a shooter where have you been??? so your contention that he shoots everytime he is down on the floor tells me that he is doing exactly what the lakers organization pays him for.

    off the bench sasha contributes shooting, and a pesky defense that teams hate(have u seen how denver reacts to him???) ronny brings hustle, defense, and rebounds, and an occasional offensive outburst and farmar brings ballhandling, three point shot and sometimes penetration. so DAVID, what i’m stating is that all three have turned a corner and are NOW all are equally reliable at what they are SUPPOSED TO DO.

    is it me or are there people on here who just doesn’t like to hear other people’s opinions and always feel the need to put other people’s opinions down??? (ab4sure, lakersfirst, and now this DAVID dude) sounds like a threesome over there.

  • Flush Odumb

    There goes the Chipmunk breaking wind again with worthless babble.

    LOL

  • LakersFirst (Change) (Close)

    [Comment ID #23520 Will Be Quoted Here]

    I think you were referring to me when you spoke of stats. Obviously you’re someone who does not know how to use statistics appropriately because all of your examples where you try to prove that stats aren’t important are retarded. Your Robert Horry example was bad (go to the other blog post if you want to see my rebuttal) and now your latest argument against stats is just as dumb. You said the following:

    “If a person shoots one free throw and makes it and another person shoots 100 free throws and makes 99, does this mean the person with the higher stat is better free throw shooter, again no it doesn’t.”

    Of course it doesn’t mean that the person who shot one free throw and made it is a better free throw shooter because the stats aren’t compable. Attempting one shot is not a large enough sample size to compare to the other player than shot 100. It’s obvious you are not college educated, so please stop trying to these ridiculous hypothetical situations to prove that the use of stats is wrong (as a college educated person, I find this insulting).

    Stats are most definitely important, otherwise there would be no purpose in keeping them.

  • T-Dub

    Until Bynum gets back, the Lakers will struggle with teams that are stong in the front court…(i.e. Spurs, Mavs, Pistons, Cavs, maybe even the Knicks). Remember, Odom is really a SF, and not very aggressive either way. Turiaf not a very big PF, Kwame…well he’s Kwame. They will have an easier time with teams that play smallball. We are only 5 losses from the 9th seed. Mitch might want to really consider the Wallace trade.

  • vahe from 818gdale

    as much as i love how kobe plays….
    #24 only gave effort for 24 minutes and completely tried to take over the game in the next 24 minutes when his team dominated the spurs in the first half.

    not all the blame should go on kobe…
    farmar and fisher did not have consisting nights and tha mbenga is a freakin turkey.

  • LakersFirst (Change) (Close)

    [Comment ID #23535 Will Be Quoted Here]

    For all you are who getting wet and excited about the Wallace for Radman/Kwame trade, read the following from the L.A. Daily News:

    “However, the Chicago Tribune’s Sam Smith suggested a new deal the other day in his NBA column, with the Lakers acquiring power forward Ben Wallace in exchange for center Kwame Brown and backup forward Vladimir Radmanovic. Smith’s reasoning was sound, although he acknowledged it was not based on anything he has heard”.

    Take notice of especially the last line …”Smith’s reasoning was sound, although he acknowledged it was not based on anything he has heard” The guy Smith, who is just a writer, suggested the trade but it is not based on any fact. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think it’s a bad trade. I just don’t think people should get too excited.

  • David

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    Your right MP, we are all entitled to our opinion, even if it’s ludicrous like yours.

    Sasha Vujacic the dead eye shooter as you claim? The guy who on Dec 9 2007 against Golden State shoots a wide open 3 pointer from the corner that hits the side of the backboard?? I will never forget that shot as it was the ugliest shot I have ever seen in my life.

    Or the Sasha Vujacic who shoots a blistering 36% from the field for his career?

    What an awesome player…..

  • Jack

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    Mr. David, I understand your furstation over Sasha. I respect your memory about why you dislike Sasha. But, I too have a memory about Sasha. Last year the second game against the Mavs, when the mavs were on a red hot 13 game winning strek. I was watching that game on FSN-Southwest, tv boardcast for Mavs, and Sasha Vujacic, the guy who the TV commenter did not even know the name, hits an important three pointer in a very close game to stop the mavricks. I admit till that point I didn’t know who Sasha was. But seeing him coming from the bench, this season and a little of last, I am a beleiver of Sasha. He is an excellent shooter, average defender and good passer. He shoots good free throw percent too, hence forth can close out the game building a good cushion to win it: last time I checked this is what is expected from a bench player.

    Apart from this I too blame PJ for the game. When after halftime, players don’t perform according to plan, give up a 12-2 run, it could have been stopped at some point.

    Lakers are already here in Dallas and my head and mind is out of the universe right now. I am very excited to see the Lakers this time as they have been the best since Shaq’s departure. Would miss AB, hopefully Kobe won’t disappoint me.

  • bryan

    [Comment ID #23532 Will Be Quoted Here]

    http://www.dictionary.com! your favorite site!

  • T-Dub

    Now that I’ve thought about that Wallace trade, I wouldn’t do it. Ben Wallace is not the player he once was and thats been the problem in Chicago…once again an way overpaid, underperforming professional athlete! Unless can pull something off to get a startind SF, they need to stand pat, hope for the best til Bynum gets back. Look to make a move in the summer.

  • MILO

    I think the starting 5 should include Turriaf instead of Walton once Mihm is back (when is he due???).I think he’s better off coming of the bench because Walton is more of a ghost or hologram.He doesn’t show up on offense or defense it’s as if he’s trying to prove to Phil that he does not belong out there.I dont know what LO is going to do??? who is he going to guard! Howard??? Dork??? with Walton it seems more like a 5 on 4 situation…

  • MILO

    I hope Fisher and Farmar come out with red hot shooting ehhh!!!

  • mplakers

    some people here use the word LUDICROUS often. i wonder if those same people new that word existed before MIKE TYSON utilized it. lololololol…..it’s it’s ludicrous, it’s ludicrous.(high pitched girly voice)

  • Flush Odumb

    bryan
    Jan 24th, 2008 at 7:10 pm

    btw.. “blatently” is spelled blatantly.

    You were also the one that spelled inconsistent wrong. I’m glad that you finally learned that one.

    Attention everyone,
    The word has come down from above – we must mind our spelling!

    pathetic…

  • LakersFirst (Change) (Close)

    [Comment ID #23531 Will Be Quoted Here]

    Why do you always mention me???? Is it because I’ve destroyed your petty little arguments in the past and you resent me? Maybe you should read and take the time to understand my comments. You might learn something.

  • mplakers

    “destroyed your petty little arguments”…hmmmmm does someone have a giant ego or what? PROVES my point about how narcissistic you ab4sure and DAVID are don’t you think?

  • LakersFirst

    [Comment ID #23540 Will Be Quoted Here]

    … and David’s right. Sasha does shoot 36.7% for his career. On the bright side, this year Sasha is shooting 43.8% from the field and averaging 6.5 pts/game….All career highs.

  • LEADERFISH

    [Comment ID #23551 Will Be Quoted Here]

    Just because people disagree with you about Farmar and Sasha doesn’t make their arguments petty. Why do you attack when someone has a different opinion? Stop being so sensitive.

    Why do you care about someone using the word Ludicrous? Next time you should respond directly to them instead of making a blanket statement to the whole site.

  • bryan

    [Comment ID #23548 Will Be Quoted Here]

    I’m pathetic and you’re the one here trying to use big words that you gathered from dictionary.com and you still spell them wrong.

  • mp or mplakers

    leaderfish do you have a reading problem?..i didn’t call their petty, i was directly quoting what lakersfirst was saying…in fact, i will go so far as to say that their opinions also have valdidity to them…my point is that they always construe it in a way that makes sure that they insult other people’s opinions.

    based on what you just commented to me, you probably won’t get what i’m saying to you either just like THEY tend to be one sided with their ideas. like i said before, it’s almost as if they panic everytime someone else has a difference of opinion.

    and speaking of “why do you care about this or that??? the question is WHY DO YOU CARE AND FEEL THE NEED TO COME TO THEIR RESCUE????? am i wrong about the threesome? is it actually a foursome with you guys?

  • LEADERFISH

    MP Lakers YOU ARE TOO SENSITIVE!!!!

  • mp or mplakers

    if i’m sensitive, what does that make you?

  • ab4sure

    [Comment ID #23586 Will Be Quoted Here]

    MP is a Metrosexual….Go easy on him.

  • mplakers

    if i’m metro…then that makes you HOMO

  • David

    [Comment ID #23592 Will Be Quoted Here]

    Hahaha….yeah, we don’t want to make him cry.

    By the way MP your opinion about the great Sasha has had only ONE supporter so far……YOU

  • mplakers

    DISCLAIMER—I APOLOGIZE TO ALL THE HOMOSEXUALS WHO I JUST OFFENDED BY CATEGORIZING AB4SURE IN YOUR GROUP. IN NO WAY DID I MEAN THAT AS AN INSULT. I AM MERELY STATING FACTS.

  • mplakers

    OH OH FOURSOME ATTACK! FOURSOME ATTACK…LOLOLOL….READ CAREFULLY DAVID…I DON’T NEED SUPPORT TO STATE MY OWN OPINION…THAT IS AN ESSENTIAL PART OF THE DEFINITION OF AN OPINION–IT IS ONE’S OWN IDEA.

  • Flush Odumb

    bryan
    Jan 25th, 2008 at 12:17 pm

    I’m pathetic and you’re the one here trying to use big words that you gathered from dictionary.com and you still spell them wrong.

    yawn!

  • ab4sure

    You are right MP you don’t need support to state your opinion. It just makes your opinion VERY WEAK!!! Next time bring more facts so at least you can defend your opinion otherwise you look like an idiot.

  • mplakers

    “””ab4sure
    Jan 24th, 2008 at 4:22 pm
    MP, I think you can see why Farmar is more valuable than Sasha. I know Sasha is your guy and you can keep rooting for his success, I will too because that will mean the laker success.

    I usually only respond to your comments when your thinking is not right, but your not really way off base here about Sasha…”””

    DID YOU OR DID YOU NOT POST THAT AB4SURE, YOU DONKEYBRAIN.
    FIRST YOU CLAIM I’M NOT WAY OFF BASE THEN I’M AN IDIOT…YOU’RE ALWAYS BACKTRACKING AS EVIDENCED BY PREVIOUS POSTS WHEN YOU ADMITTED YOU WERE WRONG…AND I DON’T HAVE THE TIME TO POST THEM ALL…DONKEY BUTT.

  • ab4sure

    Your really psychotic MP. There is nothing contradictory here. Please feel free to post anything. I won’t cry about it like you did earlier when I post earlier quotes from you. Again with your childlike names. Just proves your too sensitive. I am sure you will bring out your tantrum posts anytime now.

  • LEADERFISH

    [Comment ID #23598 Will Be Quoted Here]

    YOUR OUTTA CONTROL, GAIN SOME COMPOSURE.

  • mplakers

    awww look at the two bed buddies …you two look fruity together.

    ab4sure…i believe idiot was the word you called me and before that metrosexual, then i responded that if i’m either of those things then you’re a donkey and a homosexual (once again not a putdown but, a predication of an actual fact)

    once again you are wrong. it was actually you who began with the childlike names because once again you got pissy that you can’t rant and rave your way into convincing me, and many others here, to join your foursome over there.

  • mplakers

    on basketball matters,

    for the time being, why not start farmar, ronny, sasha, kobe, and mbenga, like the line-up that they had when they made their run back at the mavs. with the exception of fisher, who has more solid nights than not, it’s a great way to sit out the other supposed starters (odumb, fluke, and doo-doo brown)

    they need to get the message to get their game faces on or sit on the pine. that line-up above showed alot of heart and determination and if there were a couple of turnovers that we could have avoided, i believe we could have snuck out with a win.

    with fluke, odumb, and doo-doo brown, the offense looks terrible with fluke’s slow-mo moves, odumb’s tendency to use his weakest arsenal(the outside shot) and doo-doo brown’s overall sh-i-t-ty play.

  • ab4sure

    Once again your too sensitive. YOu can’t stick with making points, becuase you don’t have solid reasoning. You have to resort to names. I am still wondering where your reasoning that Sasha is as good or better than Farmar. Where is it??? Back up your opinions. Give more reasoning not just your ranting.

  • mplakers

    ab4sure look up my last response to you it still pertains…and i don’t feel like repeating myself on the jordan farmar and sasha matter because, like i keep saying, you can’t grasp concepts that are not your own.

  • ab4sure

    MP the fact is Farmar stats are much better than Sasha. You argue value. You ignore stats and say they both bring something to the table. Well Farmar brings much more to the table as I have already stated. And when contract time comes along don’t be surprised if Sasha your boy only gets half as much as Farmar. Since you can’t argue stats you bring up the term value well for the lakers Farmar definitely brings more value to the Lakers winning and that point you can’t deny.

  • domidomdomz

    Dont you argue Mp and ab4sure..We have a single goal here..To support the Lakers team whether how bad or good they are…

  • mplakers

    ab4sure,

    your idea that farmar is “much better” than sasha is misguided. KOBE is “much better” than sasha. here’s some “stats” for you.

    farmar-9pts., 2.8 ast, 2.3 rebounds, 1.51 turnover 41 games played, 20 minutes a game fg% 48
    sasha-6.5 pts. 1.5 ast. 1.7 rebounds .5 turnover 31 games played, 15 minutes a games fg%43

    kobe bryant 27 pts. 5.1 ast, 6 rebounds, 3.2 turnovers, 41 games played 37 minutes a game, 44%

    CAN YOU SEE WHO IS “MUCH BETTER” AMONG THE THREE AND SEE WHICH TWO ARE COMPARABLE? LIKE I SAID BEFORE (WHY DO I EVEN BOTHER, YOU’RE TOO NARCISSISTIC TO VIEW OTHER IDEAS)SASHA IS AS GOOD OR BETTER THAN FARMAR OFF THE BENCH IN TERMS OF VALUE. FARMAR RUNS THE OFFENSE AND SASHA CAN HIT BIG TIME SHOTS. I BELIEVE HE ALREADY HAS HIT A COUPLE OF GAME WINNING SHOTS(LAST YEAR-I THINK ONE WAS AGAINST DALLAS CAN’T REMEMBER) PLUS HE HAD 16 AND 22 POINT OUTBURSTS IN THE FOURTH QUARTER ALONE TO CLOSE OUT GAMES (THIS YEAR). FARMAR CAN DO THE SAME. MY POINT IS THAT ON ANY GIVEN NIGHT THOSE TWO CAN BE AS GOOD OR BETTER THAN THE OTHER.

    your stat idea got killed again…remember when i also killed your idea of coaches putting alot of importance on opponents fg% . i know you rant and rave so that i can be convinced to view ONLY your ideas but, sorry it’s not gonna happen.

  • ab4sure

    [Comment ID #23671 Will Be Quoted Here]

    MP, glad your willing to put up back-up to “try” to make your point. Kobe’s stats are irrelevant because he plays twice as more as the other two. Scoring output is basically the same so they both are a wash on that. But that is basically where it ends. Farmar is a better shooter and creates his own shot. He runs the offense and has the ability to get the others involved especially your man Sasha who relies on Farmar. Sasha neither shoots as well nor can he create his own shot. Farmar has hit many fourth quarter shots in crunch time also. Who is playing with kobe at the end of the game?? Farmar …. Sasha is a player you ride only when he is hot like Radman you can depend on Farmar the majority of the times.

    Your point “ON ANY GIVEN NIGHT THOSE TWO CAN BE AS GOOD OR BETTER THAN THE OTHER”. That is a weak argument. Almost anyone can have a game that is as good or better than another player for one night. Udoka of the spurs got the best of Kobe the other night, i wouldn’t say he has more value. Once again your Love for Sasha is clouding your sound basketball judgement. I am rooting for Sasha to do well not only now for the sake of a laker win, but so that you won’t have a broken heart.

  • ab4sure

    BTW MP please show me when you “killed me” on the importance of field goal percentage. That i would like to see….hahahhaa

  • mplakers

    even when you’re given stats…you still refuse to view the validity…narcissistic…look it up. and while you’re at it look up the meaning of “much better”

    killed again killed again…tell me when you play halo again so that i can rack up my kills there also. you’re too easy

  • ab4sure

    Funny how you avoid all my points about how Farmar is better than Sasha. Farmer.. better shooter, creator, defendor(sasha loses his man too many times), can run the offense..etc….Sasha streaky shooter who depends on Farmer to help him get his shot.

    You just can’t answer them. You don’t win the argument and then you claim victory. You sound very much like the boy who plays in a basketball and even though he is losing he yells “I WIN” and takes his ball and goes home. Maybe it is time for you to go home.