Great article. Just because KG is gone doesn’t mean ALL hope is lost. KG’s trade could trigger a “domino effect” among other the big named players. One of the names being tossed around – and expect a lot more of it – is Jermaine O’Neal.

SI.com: Now that Kevin Garnett has landed in Boston, it might be time to cue up the Price Is Right theme music and get the famous TV game show’s new host, Drew Carey, behind the microphone:

“Jermaine O’Neal … Come on down!”

“Pau Gasol … Come on down!”

“Mike Bibby … Come on down!”

With KG having joined Paul Pierce and Ray Allen in a prize package that no doubt left Celtics director of basketball operations Danny Ainge as hysterical as a Showcase Showdown winner, those other big NBA names could find themselves in hotter demand than ever as teams try to counter Boston’s big move.

“There were a lot of teams interested in Garnett,” Pacers CEO Donnie Walsh said. “The Lakers, Chicago, Dallas, Phoenix … now they might be looking for someone else. I don’t know, but it may open up some things.”

Continue reading ‘KG trade might trigger more action among big names’

  • MacBSlick

    (Repost)
    Screw the Celtic trio (McHale, Bird, Ainge) I dont want J.O. or anybody else from those turds. Lakers need to find another option. Bird will screw us if he can. If anybody really thinks these Turds want to help our Lakers at all your nuts. Theres Bad Blood between these 3 GMs when comes to the L.A. Lakers. All you have to do is listen to an ass like Bill Lambieer who still hates us and anything that has to do with L.A. He hates the Sparks and Michael Cooper especially. Lets just get away from these hating Turds and find another avenue to pursue.

  • STEVENASMITHFAN

    Whoever wrote that is retarded.

    “The Lakers, for example, still need to do something to placate disgruntled superstar Kobe Bryant and get him to back off his trade demand. GM Mitch Kupchak no doubt will be calling Walsh to inquire about O’Neal. Perhaps he could persuade the Pacers to take a package involving Lamar Odom and Andrew Bynum.”

    We know they’ll accept a package involving Andrew and LO, what we want to do is persuade them to take a worse package.

  • SILO

    [quote comment="10483"]Whoever wrote that is retarded.

    “The Lakers, for example, still need to do something to placate disgruntled superstar Kobe Bryant and get him to back off his trade demand. GM Mitch Kupchak no doubt will be calling Walsh to inquire about O’Neal. Perhaps he could persuade the Pacers to take a package involving Lamar Odom and Andrew Bynum.”

    We know they’ll accept a package involving Andrew and LO, what we want to do is persuade them to take a worse package.[/quote]

    worse probably isnt the best word. more like reasonable package for a trade for JO.

  • vintage323

    Check it we need to persuade Kobe to stay, get J.O. w/out giving L.O. up get rid of Kwame, ballhog Cook and Farmar and revive the “Laker Celtic” era up again which could be the biggest revival in NBA history and show Mchale, Ainge and Bird who the best franchise is in the NBA and not let that trio control the NBA then show KG the biggest mistake he ever made of going to Boston cause we all know the Lakers is the best franchise in the NBA since the beginning of Basketball history we are known to land the best players in the NBA cause if KG didn’t come to us then that wasn’t our destiny to get him.

  • shortdiezel

    WE CAN’T GIVE UP LO AND BYNUM FOR ONEAL.. IT HAS TO BE ONE OR THE OTHER.. MAYBE WE’LL BE LUCKY AND THEY’LL TAKE RADMON OFF OUR HANDS (yeah right).. I THINK THE FAIREST TRADE WOULD BE KWAME, BYNUM AND EITHER FARMER, RADMON, COOK, or EVANS FOR ONEAL CAUSE WE WOULD STILL HAVE MIHM AND COULD POSSIBLY USE ONEAL AS A BACK UP CENTER.. THIS WOULD GIVE PACERS TWO POTENTIAL STARS IN FARMER AND BYNUM, AND A MEDIOCRE CENTER..I’M NOT SURE IF ALL THREE PLAYERS FOR ONEAL WOULD WORK OUT FINANCIALLY BUT SEEMS FIT IF THE PACERS ARE LOOKING TO BUILD A YOUNG TEAM

  • double

    Duh.

  • http://www.lakers.com Ed

    Bring Babyface to LA and keep Odom. I have a lot of respect for Odom and I don’t want him to leave!!!!!!!

  • Rpoc

    Magic wand powers activate!!

  • ONE

    The question is not what we want, but what other teams want from us. You hear all these players, teams are after. I haven’t heard a team saying they want anything we have, recently. Except for Pacers(Odom & Bynum, which we won’t do(at least thats what it seems like). So, if I’m wrong, feel free to tell me. Cuz I dont think anyone is intersted in something we want.

  • ONE

    Dont Snoop and Game play ball, maybe thats the only players Mitch could land. I heard Mike Jones was pretty good too.

  • BEC

    It doesnt make sense for Indiana to get both Bynum and Odom. If they trade Oneal then they are trying to rebuild and getting Odom wouldnt make any sense, (Another celtic is just trying to screw us over again) Birds just trying to gut our team.
    But on the other side of things lets assume theyre reasonable smart people, haha yeah i know, you throw in Bynum and kwames contract and thats 11 of the 19 mill on oneals we need to match, only thing left is filling in the 8 mill. NOBODY wants Vlads contract or Cooks contract, we DONT EVEN WANT IT why would another team??? To make this trade work we would have to give up like 5 guys for 1 just to make this trade even work.
    I say give up up Odom, hes never played that well with kobe, and we honestly wouldnt be losing much in odom anyways. Give him up and we could take murphy or foster from indy.
    Our lineup would be..
    fish-kb-walton-jermain-(mihm/foster) with a lot of depth.
    To be honest I think thats a contender, we already had the capability to beat the good teams and I think this is a way better team. All we really needed is a consistent 2nd option and MORE IMPORTANTLY SOMEONE KOBE CAN TRUST WITH THE BALL and thats ONEAL!!!! We would be a better defensive team DRAMATICALLY because for one kobe wouldnt have to “roam” on defense anymore because of carrying so much of the offensive load, cause JO can take care of that.
    I say get rid of LO and bring in JO so we can win a title.

  • lafanfromindiana

    Cheers to BEC! I agree 100 percent.

  • http://www.lakers.com Ed

    BEC I agree with you, but I don’t want Odom to leave. He should me a lot of Laker pride when he played with many different injuries at the end of the season and the playoffs. I think that Odom will be an All-Star this season and Bynum will be the old S H I T, so I say get rid of Bynum and keep Odom. Odom defintely deserves another chance, Bynum doesn’t. I will always respect Odom no matter what. He showed me a lot of heart and pride and we need to reward him for that.

  • gugy

    I agree BEC.
    I love Odom’s spirit of fight, but the truth is that we can count in one hand the amount of games that Odom played really well alongside Kobe. Odom is a hard worker and give 100% most of the time, but I think if we get rid of him and that will unable us to get JO, so be it.

    BUT,

    I think Gasol is the guy we should be after more than JO.

  • http://www.myspace.com/stevesspace TheEclectic

    I agree with gugy. We can get Gasol for a MUCH better price than Jermaine O’Neal. Gasol (13 mil) can be had [on paper] for Vlad Rad (5 mil) and Kwame (9 mil). Not to mention Gasol is probably one of the most underrated players in the league who averaged 21 points, 10 boards, and 2 blocks not to mention 55 FG% and 75 FT%.

  • getgasol

    (source: yahoo news & ESPN)

    Jemaine O’Neal ($19,728,000):
    Pts Reb Ast
    19 10 2

    Pau Gasol ($13,735,000):
    Pts Reb Ast
    21 10 3

    ergo, P.Gasol > J.O’Neal

    Not only did Gasol beat JO in all categories (other than a tie in rebounds), but he also did it in the much stronger western conference while JO did it in the weak eastern conference. And as an added bonus, Gasol costs $6 million less! This is a no-brainer.

    plus check these trade scenerios:

    O’Neal:
    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=981~2748~3002~1016~615&teams=11~11~11~11~13&te=&cash=

    Gasol:
    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=981~2748~996&teams=29~29~13&te=&cash=

    We can get Gasol for just Bynum and Kwame, but to get Jo we may have to dump like 5 guys.

  • cyrus

    Marty Burns, the author of this article, is misinformed when he writes:
    “….. Mitch Kupchak no doubt will be calling Walsh to inquire about O’Neal. Perhaps he could persuade the Pacers to take a package involving Lamar Odom and Andrew Bynum….”

    The Pacers would swap Jermaine O’Neal for Odom, Bynum and filler in a heartbeat, Kupchak doesn’t need to “persuade” the Pacers, that’s the price Larry Bird is asking for JO. But Lakers turned down the offer wisely. It is a nonproductive lateral move.

    Don’t get me wrong, I think JO is one of the best big men in the league and he could be the much needed “Full Time Big Man” as Phil Jackson puts it. But could Jermaine be the full time guy? We don’t know, one thing we have been hearing is, that he’s injury prone. If you add up all the games he’s missed in the last 3 seasons, it equals almost to a full season of missed games. We tasted the bitter results of injuries last season, losing 5 “big men” to injuries.

    Because O’Neal is injury prone, we must keep Odom, in case JO is out with a sour knee. Odom is our insurance policy, JO and Odom are recording similar numbers, JO scores and blocks a bit more but Odom is a better passer and has more assists and could fill JO’s position 4.

    Without a doubt, getting JO and keeping Odom would be the best move and I believe the combination of – Kobe, JO, Odom, and Fisher – could get us to the Western finals if JO would stay healthy. Hell, they could even beat the “League of Extraordinary Frustrated Trio” in Boston.

  • http://www.myspace.com/ericthaimyshoe Eric Thai

    Gasol reminds me of Lysol.

  • http://www.getgarnett.com Fred A.

    [quote comment="10487"]Check it we need to persuade Kobe to stay, get J.O. w/out giving L.O. up get rid of Kwame, ballhog Cook and Farmar and revive the “Laker Celtic” era up again which could be the biggest revival in NBA history and show Mchale, Ainge and Bird who the best franchise is in the NBA and not let that trio control the NBA then show KG the biggest mistake he ever made of going to Boston cause we all know the Lakers is the best franchise in the NBA since the beginning of Basketball history we are known to land the best players in the NBA cause if KG didn’t come to us then that wasn’t our destiny to get him.[/quote]
    ‘vintage323 FOR “GM”‘

  • cyrus

    In less than 20 minutes, it’s NBA-legal to trade Javaris Crittenton. The 30 days mandatory time period is over. The next few days should be very interesting.

  • http://www.youtube.com/darkice18 dark_ice18

    Cyrus maybe Javaris is the piece of the puzzle to aquire JO…maybe Larry Bird would do this:

    Bynum,Javaris,Kwame,Sasha, Aaron McKie S&T, and draft pick for JO..

    and sign webber for vets min…

    LINEUP:

    PG:Fisher/Farmar/Coby Karl
    SG:Kobe/Mo Evans
    SF:Lamar/Luke/Vlade
    PF:JO/Webber/Cook
    C :Mihm/Ronny/Marc Gasol (we need to sign him from Spain)

    ^ANYONE LIKE THAT LINEUP!!! CHAMPIONS

    LAKERS vs CELTICS – RIVARLY RENEWED!!!!

  • cyrus

    gugy,

    First, I am glad that you decided to come back.LOL

    Regarding Gasol, I truly don’t think he would be available, he will stay in Memphis at least for one more season. Grizzlies are trying to build the roster around Gasol including the signing of Darko Milicic.

    However, you are absolutely correct; if Gasol would go on the block, we should forget about JO and go after Gasol. He’s a better choice not only because of his reasonable salary, he is also equally good player if not better than JO. He is also couple of years younger.

    The interesting story is that Gasol and Kobe had a meeting in Barcelona about 6 weeks ago and when asked about the meeting, Gasol said (para phrase):”Kobe told me his thing and I told him my thing”.
    God know what that means.

  • BEC

    Everyone keeps saying get JO w/o LO….But can anyone here give a reasonable trade to Indy to even make that happen??? I cant think of ONE w/o including odom. Dont even bother including Vlads 5.6 mill for 4 years or even Cooks 3.5mill for 2 years, WE DONT want it, they wont either. The only way to make it work is to gut our team, likely 4-5 players for JO (bynum/kwame/crit/farmar) and thats not even enough to match JO’s 19 Mill. We would have no depth if we kept LO. I say give up LO and Bynum and keep our depth we would be WAY better off. Dont worry about JO being injury prone…as long as JO is healthy come playoff time…Kobe can single handedly make the playoffs..a lineup of fish-kb-walton-turiad/vlad-mihm will make playoffs. GUARANTEED! Come on Kobe single handedly brought us to the playoffs this year.

  • cyrus

    Dark_Ice18,

    I like your trade proposal. I am not sure if Larry Bird would like it. The other problem is, I heard that Mckie is retiring, I couldn’t even find his name on NBA list. The other story I heard is that he may want to become an assistant coach.

    I think Bynum,Kwame,Cook,Javaris and future pick/s could be more attractive.

    And yes to C.Webb. That would really bring us to the elite level:
    Kobe,JO,Fisher,Webb,Odom……Yeah, I like that.

  • gugy

    Hi Cyrus,

    I really want to stop reading about this whole Lakers mess, but I can’t resist. :-)
    I am just crushed by KG not coming to LA.

    So I hope at least the FO will do something to make the Lakers better this season. So my vote goes to Gasol if he is available.

  • http://www.getgarnett.com Fred A.

    I got something sweet to land JO.
    It works and each team is benifiting and also getting a big man with the deals. It is a 3-way blockbuster trade.

    Grizzles:

    Bynum(A Promising Center)
    Kwame
    (that provides a little more cap space room for them)

    Pacers:

    Gasol(A very good center)
    Radmonivic(a great shooter, could resemble Reggie Miller)
    Farmer(a good rising point guard)
    (I feel this would spark the Pacers to give up JO, cause they got a big,a shooter, and a good point guard. Plus they are in the eastern conference with that)

    Lakers(us):

    JO(just what we need and without giving up Odom)
    Also we may squese out Shawne Williams if they will let us do it cause of Kwame’s departure and that may givig Indy more CAP space. Our if we can’t get Williams then we must sign Webber for the rest of the salary cap money.

    This will defently appease the KOBE.
    And I feel JO will become a much better ball player.
    From years on they got somebody to build around and that is Kobe and O’Neal not Shaq but Jermiane :)
    I feel a CHAMPIONSHIP coming!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • cyrus

    BEC,

    You’re right, that $20-mil salary is very difficult to fill without including Odom. But I rather give up 4-5 players like Farmar and Cook than losing Odom. Unfortunately, JO’s massive salary requires a very complex trade proposal without Odom and I am not sure if Kupchak is capable of putting the satisfying package together.

  • http://www.getgarnett.com Fred A.

    I just notice something just change the site to
    Didnotgetgarnett.com as show at the top.

  • Billy Kupchak

    ~lol~

  • cyrus

    gugy,

    A true fan must support his team through thick and thin. I will never forget November 7, 1991 when Magic announced he is HIV positive. I was crushed, not only because we lost the greatest player, we thought he would die in couple of years (those days the AIDS survival rate was low), it was the most difficult time for the Lakers’ fans. And we didn’t have the internet to share each other’s concerns. It was awful.

    Thank God, he is well and alive. And we got 3 more championships after that and I am sure we have a few more coming and Kobe will be at the center of it.

    You invest your emotions as a fan and must be ready and hang tough through those emotional roller coaster rides. But you get rewarded with the sweet taste of wining the title when our guys hug the Golden Ball under the bubbling Champaign shower.

    Be grateful that you are rooting for the most glorious sport franchise. Wining is our tradition and you will taste it again and you will be rewarded for hanging tough through these difficult days. LOL

  • cyrus

    Fred A,
    LOL
    First, Gasol is not on the block. Second, If we could get Gasol with Bynum and Brown, why would we want to trade him to get JO???? Gasol at 7-1 is a true center, he’s younger, he’s equally good player if not better than JO and he’s much cheaper!!!! and finally, Gasol would never agree to go to Indiana!!!

  • darshi80

    check this out get shawn marion for vlade radmanovic and kwame

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=981~1016~510&teams=21~21~13&te=&cash=

  • darshi80
  • http://www.getgarnett.com Fred A.

    Darshi80 getting Marion is a NO NO. He folds under pressure
    and can,t shoot under pressure. He has ugly form of shooting. We cant deal with that.

  • http://www.getgarnett.com Fred A.

    I got another good idea if Gasol is so good lets trade Bynum/Brown for Gasol and trade Odom/Farmer/Radmonivic/firstrounder for JO. And sign Webber.
    It looks like:
    Fisher/Critt/Williams
    Bryant/Evans/Vujivic
    Walton/Cook
    JO/Webber/Tariaf
    Gasol/Mihm/sign M. Gasol
    Now we are loaded and everyone is appease.

  • cyrus

    Fred A.

    I like your second proposal much better. That is actually very good. JO on 4 (power forward) and Gasol on 5 (Center). I really like it.LOL
    I ran it through the ESPN trade machine and it all works salary wise.
    All we have to do is to get the Grizzlies and the Pacers to agree to those trades.

    See you guys tomorrow.

  • Nikko

    I’m with gugy.. Gasol over JO.. JO is a thug, but that’s beside the point.

  • rmeazy82

    Kobe and JO are boys they need to bring him here already, he instantly improves our roster. With JO and if we can keep Odom there is no one in the west that we can’t beat. It’s all about how bad our F.O. wants to win.

  • lakerfan81

    I don’t know how you could realistically trade for O’neil without including Odom. o’neil salary is 19.7M so you would have to include at least 14.9M to make salaries match. Bynum and and kwame add only up to 11.3M thats still another 3.6M in salaries to match. They will not take Vlad’s large contract if they are trying to rebuild, it just does not make sense. Ccok’s contract is only two years long so they may be willing to take his but he has a base year compensation which makes it difficult to use him to match salaries. so that means at the very least 4 players to bring back 1. Besides that Crittenton would have to be involved to make it worth while for Indiana talent-wise. So you are talking Brown, Bynum, Critt filler or two. A trade of Bynum, Critt, Brown, Sasha is still .5M short so that means five players for 1. That is basically the trade Boston made for Garnett and O’neil is not even close to being as good as Garnett is (Garnett has average 20 pts, 10 rbs, 4 assists for 9 straight season that is 3 more than larry Bird and Wilt chamberlain did and he will probably average that for 2-3 more seasons). That tade would leave the Lakers thin in the front court, and thin in the back court. If they give Coby Karl a guaranteed contract (which he does not have right now he is just going to training camp and most likely will not make the team) that would leave the lakers with 11 players under contract and very limited resources to sign anyone else. The trade just does not work realistically without including Odom.

    I think the only realistic trade for O’neil would be Odom, Bynum, Sasha for O’neil. But that is not what indiana wants they wanted Crittenton and Brown to take back Murphy’s horrific contract (worst trade proposal ever). Besides that I do not think that makes the lakers contenders.

    One more thing. People need to stop saying that all the Lakers need is a consistent second scoring option to be contenders. The lakers had the 5th most efficient offense in the league last year at 110 pts per 100 possessions (I don’t have the numbers but I would guess that it was even higher at the beginning of the season before all the injuries). The problem was DEFENSE, DEFENSE, DEFENSE. The lakers gave up 110.5 pts per 100 possessions. That makes you a 500 team. that is the problem the Lakers need to address and the one they have not yet. Fisher is an OK team defensive player and Farmar will be an improvement over Smush, so that is a small improvement over last year at the PG but it does not solve all the defensive problems. The Lakers can be better defensively if they focus on team defense, Kwame learns to defend the pick and roll better, Mihm, Bynum (who I think has all the athletic skills to be a good defender he just needs to learn the game better), Turiaf and Brown (to some degree) need to learn to pick up penetration without fouling. It wouldn’t hurt if Kobe decided to play defense every possession too since he is easily one of the best defensive players in the league when he wants to be.

    That is where O’neil would help since he is one of the best weak side defenders in the league. The problem is that I think the Lakers would lose a lot offensively with O’neil instead of Odom (because Odom is such a good passer and he knows the triangle whereas O’neil is a bad passer and does not know the triangle), it makes the Lakers salary situation even worse, and it doesn’t even make the Lakers contenders.

    I would suggest staying with the current squad for at least the first couple months of the season to see where every team stands. The five best teams in the West are still Houston, Utah, Suns, SA, and Dallas, I think the Lakers are better than Denver. The question marks in the West are how good is a healthy Memphis and NO. But I still think the Lakers are the 6th seed facing SA and losing in the first round, but if a trade does not make you a contender why jeopardize the teams future. You CANNOT make trades just for the sake of making a trade.

    I would suggest the Lakers try to do a sign and trade with Miami for James Posey I think that would be the best move the Lakers can make right now, the problem is who do you offer?.

  • sincebirth1

    [quote comment="10527"]I don’t know how you could realistically trade for O’neil without including Odom. o’neil salary is 19.7M so you would have to include at least 14.9M to make salaries match. Bynum and and kwame add only up to 11.3M thats still another 3.6M in salaries to match. They will not take Vlad’s large contract if they are trying to rebuild, it just does not make sense. Ccok’s contract is only two years long so they may be willing to take his but he has a base year compensation which makes it difficult to use him to match salaries. so that means at the very least 4 players to bring back 1. Besides that Crittenton would have to be involved to make it worth while for Indiana talent-wise. So you are talking Brown, Bynum, Critt

    filler or two. A trade of Bynum, Critt, Brown, Sasha is still .5M short so that means five players for 1. That is basically the trade Boston made for Garnett and O’neil is not even close to being as good as Garnett is (Garnett has average 20 pts, 10 rbs, 4 assists for 9 straight season that is 3 more than larry Bird and Wilt chamberlain did and he will probably average that for 2-3 more seasons). That tade would leave the Lakers thin in the front court, and thin in the back court. If they give Coby Karl a guaranteed contract (which he does not have right now he is just going to training camp and most likely will not make the team) that would leave the lakers with 11 players under contract and very limited resources to sign anyone else. The trade just does not work realistically without including Odom.

    I think the only realistic trade for O’neil would be Odom, Bynum, Sasha for O’neil. But that is not what indiana wants they wanted Crittenton and Brown to take back Murphy’s horrific contract (worst trade proposal ever). Besides that I do not think that makes the lakers contenders.

    One more thing. People need to stop saying that all the Lakers need is a consistent second scoring option to be contenders. The lakers had the 5th most efficient offense in the league last year at 110 pts per 100 possessions (I don’t have the numbers but I would guess that it was even higher at the beginning of the season before all the injuries). The problem was DEFENSE, DEFENSE, DEFENSE. The lakers gave up 110.5 pts per 100 possessions. That makes you a 500 team. that is the problem the Lakers need to address and the one they have not yet. Fisher is an OK team defensive player and Farmar will be an improvement over Smush, so that is a small improvement over last year at the PG but it does not solve all the defensive problems. The Lakers can be better defensively if they focus on team defense, Kwame learns to defend the pick and roll better, Mihm, Bynum (who I think has all the athletic skills to be a good defender he just needs to learn the game better), Turiaf and Brown (to some degree) need to learn to pick up penetration without fouling. It wouldn’t hurt if Kobe decided to play defense every possession too since he is easily one of the best defensive players in the league when he wants to be.

    That is where O’neil would help since he is one of the best weak side defenders in the league. The problem is that I think the Lakers would lose a lot offensively with O’neil instead of Odom (because Odom is such a good passer and he knows the triangle whereas O’neil is a bad passer and does not know the triangle), it makes the Lakers salary situation even worse, and it doesn’t even make the Lakers contenders.

    I would suggest staying with the current squad for at least the first couple months of the season to see where every team stands. The five best teams in the West are still Houston, Utah, Suns, SA, and Dallas, I think the Lakers are better than Denver. The question marks in the West are how good is a healthy Memphis and NO. But I still think the Lakers are the 6th seed facing SA and losing in the first round, but if a trade does not make you a contender why jeopardize the teams future. You CANNOT make trades just for the sake of making a trade.

    I would suggest the Lakers try to do a sign and trade with Miami for James Posey I think that would be the best move the Lakers can make right now, the problem is who do you offer?.[/quote]
    That’s why if possible you go after artest and sure up that side of the ball. totally agree with laker offense was fine… defense is where the repair needs to begin…

  • BEC

    lakerfan81,
    You make some great points, i agree 100% with JO as ive said before matching that 20 mill of JO would be hard w/o Odom and w/o gutting our team. 5 for 1 or 3 for 1, I personally would keep our depth but both are good options.

    I do disgree with you on your point on defense and a consistenet second option. Because what the LAKERS NEED THE MOST IS BALANCE. BALANCE between offense and defense is what wins TITLES, BALANCE of both worlds(spurs and suns complete opposites but both contenders, BALANCE). Kobe is carrying WAY WAY WAY TOO MUCH of the offensive load. Which leads him to “roam” on defense and not play much of it, which leads others not to play it too (lead by example), which is sad hes a tremendous defender, can shut guys down and can really determine games on the defensive end, because all of his energy is on the offensive end he wont play D. Phil and Tex know this, phils a defensive minded coach but he knows w/o Kobe carrying so much of the offensive load we wont WIN.
    If kobe gets that second option, a JO or someone he just trust with a ball, JO can even carry the load by himself at times, KOBE can and has the ability to become the DPOY. With that alone Kobes drive and desire finally focused on defense will have an effect on others to play better D too. Just that second consistent option on offense is key, itll make us 10x better defensively instantly, im not saying its a cure to an instant title, but it is really important.

  • http://www.lakers.com Ed

    LD2K didn’t you say that the you were going to change the name of the site by today? Can you tell us what’s going on with the site please?

  • lakerfan81

    BEC I disagree it is defense that wins champioships. The lakers are not going to win by trying to outscore everyone (it hasn’t worked for the suns yet and it will never work for the Lakers). Like I pointed out the Lakers had the 5th most efficient offense last year. Offense wasn’t their problem it was that they could not play defense. If you look at the bulls Pippen only averaged 19 pts/game that is only 3 more than Odom averaged. Jordan carried the offensive load for that team too. The difference is that Pippen was one of the best defensive players in the game and he was better in clutch situation but most of those went to Jordan. Kobe was taking on less of an offensive role, at least in the beginning of the games, before everyone got hurt. After injuries he did not really have a choice.

    It is the defense that needs to be improved, not the offense. 103.3 pts/game is good, it was the 103.4 pts/game given up that was horrible.

  • BEC

    [quote comment="10533"]BEC I disagree it is defense that wins champioships. The lakers are not going to win by trying to outscore everyone (it hasn’t worked for the suns yet and it will never work for the Lakers). Like I pointed out the Lakers had the 5th most efficient offense last year. Offense wasn’t their problem it was that they could not play defense. If you look at the bulls Pippen only averaged 19 pts/game that is only 3 more than Odom averaged. Jordan carried the offensive load for that team too. The difference is that Pippen was one of the best defensive players in the game and he was better in clutch situation but most of those went to Jordan. Kobe was taking on less of an offensive role, at least in the beginning of the games, before everyone got hurt. After injuries he did not really have a choice.

    It is the defense that needs to be improved, not the offense. 103.3 pts/game is good, it was the 103.4 pts/game given up that was horrible.[/quote]

    I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say. Im not saying that defense doesnt win championships, i think it does its a big part, or that we need better offensive talent or to score more. We have Kobe, were always going to be top in the league in offense.
    The key thing I was trying to say is BALANCE on offense and defense. I cant seem to find teams stats for our title years in 00-02 but in the 03-04 season when we made the finals, the year we should have won, we werent even in the top ten teams in defense. But we scored enough and played good enough D to win. Its this balance that really wins titles.
    Rockets and Mavs are the 2 of top 5 defensive teams this year but guess what they couldnt even make it past the first round. Especially the rockets, yao and mcgrady did everything offensively no help whatsoever, and w/o that balance even with great defense you cant win w/o balance on both ends.
    As with the Lakers, Kobe is doing way to much on offense but he NEEDS to and is unwilling to play defense because he needs his energy for offense. We got good post defense in Kwame and Bynum, shockingly, big bodies that can block shots and defend. What really hurts us is dribble penetration from guards and Kobe can make a HUGE difference defensively in stopping these guards, Kobe can lock down a D-wade, james, nash, and parker. But guess what we need Kobe so much on offense, that he cant play much D. We all saw it, especially against suns when kobe guards raja, he just roams and doesnt really guard him and as we watch raja drain 3 after 3, that in itself is a huge hit on D, cuz Kobe cant waste energy running around chasing raja, barbosa, nash or a rip hamilton. That one bad link effects EVERYONE on defense. Thats why its key for the Lakers to get more balance. Balance is what we need. And i think the best way to improve our team, to get this balance, is to get that offensive balance FIRST and the defense will take care of it self with Phil a good defensive coach.
    Note: Our second best offensive player is Odom and if you look at his game log, none of it is consistent, somes days he goes 20 others 8-10 points, ITS TERRIBLE. JO will be consistent night in and night out. We dont need to score more, but with better offensive balance spread through the team, the DEFENSE will improve DRAMATICALLY.