A great compliment from his Airness, but Top 10 All-Time would’ve sounded a lot better and more accurate.

USA Today: Of course, there’s always the comparison of you and Kobe Bryant. Where does Kobe stand in the status of NBA players through history?
It’s so hard to say. I think he is always going to be within the conversations of some of the greatest players who’ve played by the time he is finished. Where does he rank among those, if you are talking about positions? If you are talking about guards, I would say he has got to be in the Top 10.

  • G

    Kobe is Top 2. You will definitely be able to argue him as Number one when its all said and done. But for now, Top 2.

    • James

      Dude, that’s exactly what I was thinking. KB is one or two.

      • ignard

        If Magic is #1 then i’m with ya.

    • Robert

      better leauge better players. put kobe in the hot tub time machine and he would score 150 points on any team from the 60’s, 7o’s or 80’s. when I was a kid (80’s) magic johnson seem to defy the impossible. now that I look in retrospect (youtube); its what we call basic passing now days that 7 footers like Pau, Odom and Dirk have mastered. Kobe has played the game of basketball as well as it can be played and evolution will dethrone him as it did jordan.

  • Robert.

    I second the motion.
    Top 2 (or 3, All Time, period).
    Personally, my ‘list’ is Wilt Chamberlain 1A, MJ 1B, Kobe 1C, Magic 1D. After all is said and done, it will be Kobe 1, Wilt 2A, MJ 2B, Magic 2C. Kobe will have more rings that MJ, Wilt, and Magic (his testament to ‘team’ basketball), and a great number of individual records (not necessarily breaking all of Wilt’s or even MJ’s or Magic’s records, but having more of them – consecutive 50 point games, 2nd most points in a game, most points in history, etc.).

    • Kristian

      As of right now:

      1. Jordan
      2. Russell
      3. Kareem
      4. Magic
      5. Bird
      6. Kobe
      7. Wilt
      8. Duncan
      9. West
      10. Oscar

      • tisinyamoufbeeitch

        u dumbfuck the nigga said guards wtf are u listing

        • ignard

          It’s not that serious dude.

      • prlaker

        1. jordan
        2. magic
        3. kobe
        7. kareem
        1,234,567,908. james(you suck lebron!!!)
        that’s how i’ve got them.

        • prlaker

          sorry, rusell definetly deserved to be on the list so shaq, move the fuck over

    • Robert.

      For the record, ‘currently’ Greatest of All Time: the one and only Big Dipper.

      (some of these records will ‘never’ be broken):

      – read up on your basketball history, gents –

      * Most points in a game
      * 100 by Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia Warriors (vs. New York Knicks) on March 2, 1962

      * Most points in a half
      * 59 by Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia Warriors (vs. New York Knicks) on March 2, 1962 (2nd half)

      * Most field goals made in a game
      * 36 by Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia Warriors (vs. New York Knicks) on March 2, 1962

      * Most field goals attempted in a game
      * 63 by Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia Warriors (vs. New York Knicks) on March 2, 1962

      * Most field goals made in a half
      * 22 by Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia Warriors (vs. New York Knicks) on March 2, 1962 (2nd half)

      * Most field goals attempted in a half
      * 37 by Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia Warriors (vs. New York Knicks) on March 2, 1962 (2nd half)

      * Most minutes per game
      * 48.5 by Wilt Chamberlain, 1961–62

      * Most minutes
      * 3,882 by Wilt Chamberlain, 1961–62

      * Highest scoring average
      * 50.4 by Wilt Chamberlain, 1961–62

      * Most points
      * 4,029 by Wilt Chamberlain, 1961–62

      * Most 50 point games
      * 45 by Wilt Chamberlain, 1961–62

      * Most 40 point games
      * 63 by Wilt Chamberlain, 1961–62

      * Most field goals made
      * 1,597 by Wilt Chamberlain, 1961–62 (50.6 FG%)

      * Most field goals attempted
      * 3,159 by Wilt Chamberlain, 1961–62

      * Highest field goal percentage
      * 72.7% by Wilt Chamberlain, 1972–73 (426 made in 586 attempts)

      * Highest rebounds per game average
      * 27.2 by Wilt Chamberlain, 1960–61

      * Most rebounds
      * 2,149 by Wilt Chamberlain, 1960–61

      * Most minutes per game
      * 45.8 by Wilt Chamberlain

      * Most consecutive seasons leading league in points
      * 7 by Wilt Chamberlain (1959–60–1965–66)

      * Most 60+ point games
      * 32 by Wilt Chamberlain

      * Most 50+ point games
      * 118 by Wilt Chamberlain

      * Most 40+ point games
      * 271 by Wilt Chamberlain

      * Most consecutive 50+ point games
      * 7 by Wilt Chamberlain, from December 16, 1961 to December 29, 1961

      * Most consecutive 40+ point games
      * 14 by Wilt Chamberlain, from December 8, 1961 to December 30, 1961
      * 14 by Wilt Chamberlain, from January 11, 1962 to February 1, 1962[6]

      * Most consecutive 30+ point games
      * 65 by Wilt Chamberlain, from November 4, 1961 to February 22, 1962

      * Most consecutive 20+ point games
      * 126 by Wilt Chamberlain, from October 19, 1961 to January 19, 1963

      * Most consecutive seasons leading league in field goals made
      * 7 by Wilt Chamberlain (1959–60 to 1965–66)

      * Most seasons leading league in field goal percentage
      * 9 by Wilt Chamberlain

      * Most rebounds
      * 23,924 by Wilt Chamberlain

      * Highest rebounds per game average
      * 22.9 by Wilt Chamberlain

      * Most seasons leading league in rebounds
      * 11 by Wilt Chamberlain

      * Most consecutive triple-doubles
      * 9 by Wilt Chamberlain, from March 8 to March 20, 1968

      * Most field goals made in a game
      * 24 by Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia Warriors vs. the Syracuse Nationals on March 14, 1960

      etc. etc. – Wilt tops the list in multiple categories. MJ, Kobe, and Kareem appear ‘several’ times in these types of records, but not quite as many.

      fine print: Because of Kobe’s soon to come (within 5 years) legacy, including multiple Championships, he will pass Wilt the Stilt as the Greatest. MJ will be watching from the sidelines.

      • Kristian

        Stop looking at stats. The Russell vs Chamberlain issue wasn’t even up for debate in the 60s or 70s, why is it now? When Wilt averaged 50 points and 25 boards in ’62, and Oscar averaged a triple double, Russell was MVP. Wilt always choked on big occasions, refused to play after picking up his 5th foul (he had a streak of never fouling out of a game and was proud keep it) etc. He had a team that was either on par or better than Russell’s for at least 75% of the seasons they played against each other. AND Wilt got traded for 20cents on the dollar TWICE in his prime. In ’65, the Lakers were offered Wilt for cash. The Laker players took a vote and UNANIMOUSLY didn’t want the trade to happen. Wilt didn’t know how to lead a team. He just didn’t have it in him.

      • Robert.

        Actually, as I mention below, stats are a ‘reflection’ of greatness. So, for example, Bird doesn’t have many (if any) stats of significance, but I would include him on this list, because he was a ‘pure’ basketballer. His skills were quite highly developed. E.g., he could shoot left handed (and apparently did one or two times). He wasn’t a ‘dunker’, but his court vision, shot capability, and basketball IQ was very high.
        Russell mostly only had championships to speak of. Not really an athlete of comparative significance. The big O – exceptional. Great basketballer. Magic – skills off the charts. Although he doesn’t have the ‘most’ assists, his assist count is ‘up there’, and was tops in his time. Also, the ‘types’ of assists he had – nothing like them since. If you could quantify the ‘type’ of assist (no look pass, behind the back, etc.), taking that into account, Magic would be the TOP assist king.
        I would also add Pistol Pete Maravich as a top player. He had skills way off the charts. No championships? Nothing much to speak of? No stats? (except in college). Still, a magnificent player.
        But, there was NOBODY like Wilt (except possibly Kobe, maybe throw in MJ). Built for basketball, and the stats to back him up.

        • Kristian

          Just please, watch the important games these guys played against top competition, instead of looking at stats, that only give you general idea of a players quality, but are almost always very misleading.

          Pistol Pete?? Yes great player, horrible team mate. Barely a top 70 player of all time.

        • Robert.

          Well, this is a great discussion! I’d actually argue that Wilt did not have the right players surrounding him, until he got Jerry West (in Jerry’s ‘later’ years). The 72 Lakers were finally the correct destination for Wilt.
          Just like w/Shaq, who definitely needed Kobe and DWade to win championships. I’d even go out on a limb and say that LeBron needs ‘others’ of a certain type to win his championship. Same w/Wilt.
          But as an individual player, maybe (for your sake) I can say that Wilt is the Most Dominant Ever (I’d take Wilt over Shaq any day). Wilt could dunk from free throw – so, they outlawed that ‘back in the day’ (for example).
          (and, I did see games with Wilt vs. Kareem, back when Kareem was ‘not liked’ by Laker fans. Those were ‘glorious’ games – basketball at its highest level. Skyhook vs. Dipper. Doesn’t get better than that!).

    • Robert.


      Wilt Chamberlain is the holder of 72 official NBA records, 63 of which he holds by himself. Unfortunately, he does not have many Championships.

      Russell leads in Championships, but not many (if any) individual records.

      MJ comes in second in Championships, and has a few records. (Actually our friend Robert Horry has more Championships, but only as a role player).

      Bird & Magic have as many or fewer Championships as Kobe. Only Magic has a few records (at the time of his run, which were eventually broken by Stockton, etc.).

      The only one who comes closest to the Big Dipper and Air Jordan is Kobe. His stats (e.g., 81 points in a game, just to mention one stat), and his Championships (by the end of his run) will vault him to Greatest.

      • Kristian

        Again, stop looking at stats and look what the players accomplished in big situations and how they lead their teams. There are plenty of players with more than 6 Championships, Sam Jones has 10 and Tom Heinsohn and Havlicek have 8 each. But thats not the deciding factor here..

      • Robert.

        Stats are just a ‘reflection’ of the truth. Wilt Chamberlain was categorically the BEST basketball athlete in history. People forget that when talking about Jordan (and they dare even add LeBron to that discussion?). Wilt was a natural, and also could play at a high level without much effort.
        As far as Championships go, basketball is a team sport, and so even the ‘best’ require some help.
        Back to Wilt, you also forget that they had to change the rules to ‘adjust’ to Wilt’s level of play. Many NBA rules were created to ‘limit’ his level of play, but he usually overcame them anyway. Sorry, but there is nobody like that now, or in the last 30-40 years (except Kobe).
        Kobe’s ‘skill’ level is off the charts. He simply is the best basketballer in history (next to Wilt). His footwork is unmatched. His level of play is higher, on a daily basis, than anyone in the NBA.
        Russel was ok. Take away his Championships (remember, ‘team sport’) and you have just another run of the mill center.

        • Kristian

          No question basketball is a team sport, but how do you explain only 2 championships for Wilt and 11 for Russell, when Wilt had a team that was as good or better than Russell’s in 1964-69 (5 seasons) and Russell had a better team 59-64 (5 seasons) in their ten years together?

          Yes, stats give you a general idea of a players ability, but Wilt was guarded by centers that were 6-6, Kareem was guarded by 7 footers nearly every night. There was also no offensive goaltending back then, so Wilt would constantly grab his team-mates shots in mid air and dunk/lay them in.

          Wilt’s record in game 7s: 4-5
          Russells record: 10-0.

          Nobody NOBODY from Russell’s and Wilt’s era thought Wilt was the better player compared to Russell. It’s just absolutely moronic that these things are argued about now.

          Great players step up in big games, Wilt never did. The rules, styles of play and the fact that Wilt had 6-6 white guys guarding him every night gave Wilt those ridiculous stats. No question was Wilt a top-10 player, but absolutely no way was he a top 5 guy.

          • Kristian

            You know what, let me just kill the argument here: Russell’s teams always beat Chamberlain’s and Wilt was traded twice. Those are the only two stats you need to look at.

        • Robert.

          Russell’s ‘teams’ (hall of famers) did well against Chamberlain’s ‘teams’. No doubt. But to say that the two were never compared, in terms of ability? Back then? I’ve even seen ‘entire shows’ comparing the two (both from background, playing styles, etc.). Russell was clearly a better ‘team player’. But, Wilt … was definitely a more ‘talented’ basketballer (hence, player).
          I’ll even go out on a limb and say that he (Wilt) didn’t even play up to the level of his capability. He ‘apparently’ disdained practice, and would show up shortly before games – he would play volleyball a lot, and then show up, be in games, and do pretty well. He could have done much better, easily. With today’s rules and styles of play – there would be no stopping him. (BTW, I’m sure you knew that Wilt was on one of the original Globetrotter teams).
          As players’ abilities go, he’s the best – ever. Kobe, MJ, and Pistol Pete are up there with basketball abilities. Adding championships, team play etc. takes the discussion to a different level.

          • Kristian

            Russell played with 4 players that were selected to the NBA’s top 50 at 50 team (Havlicek, Cousy, Sharman, S. Jones), Wilt played with 6 (Baylor, West, Greer, Cunningham, Arizin, Thurmond).

            Basketball ability is more than just individualism on the court. A player’s “winnability”, dedication, team play and leadership are just as much talents as physical power and scoring ability. The main difference between comparing two players ability and talent is this: “with whom would I have had the greater chance of winning any given basketball game with?” That’s unquestionably Russell. The fact, that Wilt could have been so much better and Wilt was often more interested in banging flight attendants and like you said, playing volleyball, is an argument why Russell was greater, not Wilt.

            We are discussing the word “greater” here, not the fact whether “a player maximized his talents or not.” In terms of greatness, top 12 in order: MJ, Russell, Kareem, Magic, Bird, Kobe, Wilt, Duncan, West, Oscar, Hakeem, Shaq.

          • Lakers

            wilt chamberlain played with white midgets thats y he was owning on the court

  • http://www.jackyang.info Jack Y.

    I’m sure MJ is panicking a little bit on the possibility that Kobe might surpass him.

    • ignard


  • Sheds

    Even though I am a die hard laker fan and I really love seeing Kobe play. But MJ is just that far ahead of him. I still remember watching the playoffs games in the 90s and cheering for the bulls, even when I was a laker fan.

    But Michael Jordan was just such a charismatic figure and his will to lead his team back into games and through tough situations is unsurpassed.

    Kobe will be remembered as one of the all time great players, but I am pretty sure that he wont surpass MJ, even if most people in lakerland think otherwise. The general public will still view MJ as the best, and if you lived in those times when Michael was the dominant sports figure, you know why that is.

  • http://adayinthelifeofthefly.blogspot.com/ LousTaylored

    First off Kobe will never be considered the best, but 2nd best isnt too shabby. He will end up being the Greatest Laker Of All-Time [which is saying something] because people are crowning him that already. I think MJ is just being MJ and that is his regular ol’ cocky, competitve, and arrogant self. Kobe is the 2nd best guard to ever ball as of now so that Top-10 comment can kiss my ass but at least its a start to MJ resalizing how good Kobe really is. Kobe is most electryifying dominating clutch guard to play since MJ, but I think he has surpassed that next-MJ claim he has his own name and its Kobe Bryant and there will only be one.

  • Luck of the IRISH

    Let’s be real. Kobe technically has only earned two titles. Shaq got him the other three. Kobe will never be in the conversation as best ever because he need Shaq to solidify his legacy.

    • trippleoccho

      Just like MJ needed Pippen?

      • Luck of the IRISH

        You’re insane if you are comparing Pippen to Shaq.

      • Luck of the IRISH

        If you are comparing Pippen to Shaw, you are smoking crack!!!

    • le-elbow

      You’re an imbecile, shaq needed kobe to win its a team sport, cuz if that’s not the case then Jordan has 0 rings

    • ignard

      You can tell the people who just started watching basketball. NO player in the history of the sport did it without at least one other all-star. You people kill me with Kobe needed Shaq as if Shaq was winning rings left and right before he started playing with Kobe. And for the record it wasn’t until Kobe matured into an all-star that the Lakers started winning rings. Shaq ran with Nick Van Exel ,Eddie Jones and even Cedric Ceballos while Kobe was playing a meir 15 minutes a game and they didn’t win jack.

      • Kobe4life

        Amen to that brother!

        • Kobe4life

          ignard knows his Lakers History!

  • http://57.amklac laffs atu

    top ten if your talking EXTREMELY OVER-RATED.doesn`t play defense,shrinks in big games.

    • R.I.P laffs atu

      Blah! Blah! Blah! Blah! Blah! Blah! Blah! All talk and no action makes “laffs atu” a DULL LITTLE GIRL!

      • Ruin818

        When will ALL you just learn to just IGNORE this morron!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        • mast


          I could not agree with you more. IGNORE HIM, you are just adding fuel to the fire, obviously he doesn’t care for the Lakers, which is his decision (not every one HAS to like the lakers), and the reason he is here posting anti-laker comments on a laker board is to get Laker fans worked up which is his goal.

          So stop adding fuel to his fire (ignorance).

          It takes two hands to clap and make a noise.

    • laffs atu sissy girl

      Kobe has been in the all defensive team several times laffs atu. You apparently don’t know a thing about Basketball! Use you’re head, that’s the lump thats three feet above you’re rear end!

      • laffs atu

        im sorry, i should have known better

  • LaKeR bOy

    :MY TOP 5

    • Robert.

      U should be #1 (on your own list). As Herm Edwards says, “Be a man. Put your name on it.”

  • comeflywithme

    KOBE is #1!!

    The Greatest Ever To Play the Game!!!

  • http://57.amklac laffs atu

    MOST-HATED bryant easily no.1no.2no.3a bryant sweep.

    • keeponkeepinon18

      Often times, most hated = most respected. Unintentionally and unwittingly, you made a contributing and complimenting point towards Kobe!

      • laffs atu

        thanks for the kind words man!

  • http://57.amklac laffs atu

    your welcome.

    • chris


  • martinsb12

    Kobe is definitely top 5. Not top 2-3.. I know its MJ,majic johnoson, kobe and i did not even get to see the players from other eras, so i cant speak about them just by seeing there numbers.

    Its like kobe when he used to put up big numbers before gasol came.. He was a great player and all but he didnt seems so great as to “lead a team to victory” like now.

  • Trem

    Jordan is wack, Kobe is without a doubt a top 2 guard of all time and probably #6 or 7 on the all time list, Jordan can feel kobe coming up right behind him, and he knows it. No disrespect to the GOAT, but he is way off base on this one.

  • http://thetruthrenaissance.wordpress.com/ BE_A_LakerFan

    Top 10? Kobe is next in line after him.

  • http://57.amklac laffs atu

    when it comes to rape, the bryant is no.1


      NO! That would be Ben Rothlisberger…(“allegedly”)! Hahaha!

  • Kobe bi curious?

    and how many times did he rape you baby girl?

  • http://57.amklac laffs atu

    ask your sister………….

    • illmatic

      answer my damn question why you always bring kobe up do you want him or something homo?

    • juice


      • 242LakerFan

        Kobe bi curious’ sister is a prison guard where laffs atu is serving her sentence, so she might know, if by “how many times Kobe raped you” you mean “how many times your cellmate Big Bertha raped you and you wished it were Kobe.”

  • b2ackm4mba

    thats not even a compliment..

  • http://57.amklac laffs atu

    your the ballwasher dude, go look in the dirty mirror.

    • illmatic

      You the only one talking about Kobe’s balls Faggot

  • Paul Lee

    i was wondering why MJ said top 10 guard of all time idk about this one. He is easily 2nd best SG at this current time

  • mr.laker19

    Listen ladies, this is the top ten guards of all time. Im a Lakers fan but im going to try and do this unbiasly.

    1. Kobe
    2. Kobe
    3. Kobe

    Oh my fault my fault lol, here is the real list

    1A Jordan
    1B Kobe (Kobe can lock down this spot in the end though)
    2 Magic
    3 Oscar Robertson
    4 Jerry West
    5 Isaiah
    6 Stockton
    7 Nash
    8 Drexler
    9 Gervin
    10 Iverson

    All time no matter position is like this

    1A Jordan
    1B Kobe
    2 Magic
    3 Kareem
    4 Bird
    5 Wilt
    6 Oscar
    7 Duncan
    8 Shaq
    9 Erving
    10 Malone

    • Robert.

      Agree with ‘all time guards’ list, except when Kobe retires, he will be 1A.
      Also, for ‘all time’, see my post above. In summary:
      1 Kobe
      2A Wilt 2B MJ 2C Magic

    • 242LakerFan

      Minor point, but you do realize you have eleven players in your top ten, right? If you have a 1a and a 1b, the next position would be 3.

  • laffs atu

    kobe #1 player all-time

  • JC

    When ppl ask me:who’s the best player between Jordan and Kobe,I always say Kobe…why?…because he PLAYS for my team…LOL….GO LAKERS!!!!

    • laffs atu

      LOL amen

  • tbo

    Kobe is king

  • http://facebook israel lopez

    in my personal list is no by orden: kobe, shaq, michael, magic, larry, karrem, russell, wilt, oscar and duncan

  • ignard

    I know most of you were too young to remember the showtime days but Magic Johnson and Kareem will always be #1 and #2, imo.

    • 242LakerFan

      I respect that, but I lived through Showtime. Magic and Kareem, along with Chick, of course, are responsible for my love of basketball and the Lakers. But Kobe is something else again. And I’ll tell you what, if these guys win it again, and especially if they beat the Celtics again, Kobe stands by himself as the greatest Laker of all time.

  • ignard

    My list of all-time Lakers
    1. Magic
    2. Kareem
    3. Kobe and Worthy (tie)
    4. Jerry West
    5. Elgin Baylor
    6. Shaq
    7. Wilt
    8. Michael Cooper
    9. Jamaal Wilkes
    10. Bob McAdoo

  • Shaya Bryant

    I usually don’t pay any attention to Jordan the talent evaluator, this is the same guy that drafted Kwame Brown, but in regards to Kobe being a Top 10 guard all-time, he is spot on.

    Unlike thousands of my fellow Angelenos, I don’t slurp on Kobe balls like you guys and gals do, he is a great player and a piece of shit person, but is one of the top guards of all time.

    He is a scoring prodigy that has hit a few big shots, and has had the incredible fortune of playing with the best talent of any team in the league the past decade.

    Kobe is a glorified World B.Free, a desolate, impoverished man’s Jordan and the biggest piece of shit this league has ever seen.

    Putting that aside, he is a very talented basketball player, and one of the top guards to ever play the game.

    Sorry basketball stat geeks and hoops nerds with no game, we don’t believe you. Jordan, Magic, Oscar, Baylor, West, Lebron then Kobe.

    Sodomizing rapist don’t make my top 5. Someone has to hold him accountable since you dorks won’t.

    • shaya bryant

      you sir, are a fucking idiot

    • #24GREATEST


      • UnbiasedNBAfan

        Scoring becomes so easy these days as the league protects the guards too much. Jordan said it’s easy to score 100 points nowadays.

        IMO Kobe can’t even make the top 5 guards of all time.

        Look how Lakers played when Kobe was without Gasol 3 years ago. They can’t even beat the Suns FFS. In this years’ final Game 7, Kobe can’t even score, but Celtics played even worse.

        At the past 2 seasons, he has matured as a leader for sure, but these 2 rings doesn’t make him one of the greatest. The first 3 rings should attribute to Shaq, that was his glory days, Kobe was just another come-along.

        But can you say the current Lakers squad can beat half of the past champions? I doubted this seriously.

  • UnbiasedNBAfan

    IMO Kobe can’t even make the top 5 guards of all time.

    Look how Lakers played when Kobe was without Gasol 3 years ago. They can’t even beat the Suns FFS. In this years’ final Game 7, Kobe can’t even score, but Celtics played even worse.

    At the past 2 seasons, he has matured as a leader for sure, but these 2 rings doesn’t make him one of the greatest. The first 3 rings should attribute to Shaq, that was his glory days, Kobe was just another come-along.

    But can you say the current Lakers squad can beat half of the past champions? I doubted this seriously.

    • UnbiasedNBAfan

      and I totally agree to what Jordan said about Kobe.

      • Showtime4eva

        Unbiased my ass! Your just a blind ass hater

  • NateMamba

    Jordan was great, no doubt! If anyone can talk smack, it’d be him. However, scoring 100 pts, give me a break. Jordan needs to check himself, and give props where props are deserved. Kobe scored the second highest in a game. If MJ could score 100 pts in a game, he would have done it already, but he didn’t.
    Also, get your biased comments off here.. I’m so sick of hearing that Shaq, solely won the rings etc.. They won the rings together. If it wasn’t for Kobe, shaq wouldn’t have won those rings, and vice versa. If Phil jackson wasn’t there they probably wouldn’t have won. You are just a hater..

    • Fan

      You serious? The rules have been softened so much Ehlo could score 82