GM Challenge Final Results

We didn’t expect the kind of overwhelming response to our GM Challenge and we thank you all for your participation and suggestions you submitted to improve the roster of our beloved Los Angles Lakers.

Our Judges worked really hard to comb through all trade proposals and scrutinized each and every suggestion to achieve a fair assessment.

We based our evaluation on 3 criterions:

  1. Practicality: Was the suggested trade attractive enough to both teams to initiate trade talks
  2. Simplicity: More teams and more players involved in a trade make it so much more difficult
  3. Helping Lakers: Would the suggested trade improve Lakers’ roster?

Judges’ assessments are final and not negotiable. Judges graded all trades independently without consulting each other. So, it’s all fair and square; four different and independent opinions.

Considering all those facts, judges are announcing Jonathan Somers-Harris (a.k.a. joninjapan) as the winner of the General Manger Challenge and award him with the Certificate of Managing, issued by the The Lakers Nation and signed by the founder Mr. Kam Pashai.

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Rpoc and BEC where selected as the second and third winners respectively and we congratulate them to their achievement as well.

Judges Notes: Most users would like to acquire Jermaine O’Neal and/or Ron Artest at any price and some prices were just too high to be beneficial to the Lakers. Some users tried to swap Lakers’ weak players for quality players, which isn’t realistic. Others were making very complex multi-team and multi-player offers, which is very difficult to execute. And some users made several suggestions but we reviewed only their final trade proposals.

And finally, on behalf of TheLakersNation.com, I would like to thank Faith, Fatty and Ryan for their dedication to this project and their valuable time they spent to evaluate more than forty trade proposals.

The Laker Nation News Team is a collaborative effort from writers of LakerNation.com to bring you the latest Lakers news and information.
  • ceballos-neverforget

    Can you post what the Top 3 winners trades were so that other viewers dont have to filter through the 100s of responses to find them.

    Also, you guys said you graded each one independently. Any way you can release a list of every person’s final submission and the grades they got? That’d be kinda cool, cuz id like to see where mine stacks up to the rest!

  • http://theworldvoice.com LUUUUKE

    I agree w/ everything ceballos-neverforget said. I wanna see the winning peoples entries and what you guys thought of my trade propositions lol.

  • B.I.E.Lakers

    Yeah, please post the winning proposals so we, as a nation, can appreciate someone’s work rather than wait for you know who(?) to do ANYTHING!!!

  • http://www.getgarnett.com Fred A.

    Mitch is pissin’ me of.
    Just fire Mitch and keep Kobe and LO.
    Then try a three way trade between Laker-Indy-G.State.
    Here it goes:
    Three-Team-Trade
    If the Lakers can get Golden State to agree, they could get J.O’neal without giving up Odom. Indiana gets Bynum/Farmar from the Lakers and Al Harrington/Stephen Jackson from Golden State; Golden State gets Kwame Brown and Vladimir Radmanovic; Lakers get Jermaine O’neal.
    I found this on http://www.clublakers.com
    I hope DR.BUSS is reading this.

  • G-Funk

    wack!!!!!!!!!

  • daboss1848

    Brilliant – LA gets what we want and GS and Indy get nothing they want. Absolutely brilliant – have no idea why Mitch hasnt thought of it.

  • http://myspace.com/illmaticwhut UCLAker14

    why would G state agree to that trade? Brown/Radman is not enough for Harrington and Jackson.

  • fatty

    Why would Indy want back two players they just traded to GS?

    And why would GS give up two guys they just got and return them to Indy?

    I’m sorry Fred A. I don’t get it. I like the part we don’t give up LO for JO, but this deal just won’t work.

  • cyrus
  • fatty

    If you want to see the winning trades you can scan back about 12 pages (be sure and reread my art on the way the game should be played)haha

    or – click on the link below and then go to the winning trade scenarios.

    Joninjapan
    Rpoc
    BEC

    http://thelakersnation.com/blog/?p=879

  • yetanotherexpert

    I guess Andrei Kirilenko is our savior then? :-)

  • fatty

    “Kirilenko is our savior”

    We all found that trade scenario interesting because it appears the trades we all want to happen, JO, Artest? etc.. aren’t happening.

    So thinking above the box was an interesting idea, that each of us independently liked.

    Utah is having doubhts about AK and might be moved to trade him with the right combo.

    Both teams would be improved. True, both teams would meet in the playoffs, but each would have remarkably better teams. AK is a great defender in the 3. The Lakers D needs improvement and he could help.

    With a core line up of Fisher – Kobe – AK – LO, we could be a formidable team in the west.

    Savior no, but a nice piece to the puzzle.

  • cyrus

    One more time: Proposed trades were judged based on the following facts:

    1. Practicality: Was the suggested trade attractive enough to both teams to initiate trade talks

    2. Simplicity: More teams and more players involved in a trade make it so much more difficult

    3. Helping Lakers: Would the suggested trade improve Lakers’ roster?

  • cyrus

    “Savior no, but a nice piece to the puzzle.”

    Well said

  • yetanotherexpert

    [quote comment="12601"]One more time: Proposed trades were judged based on the following facts:

    1. Practicality: Was the suggested trade attractive enough to both teams to initiate trade talks

    2. Simplicity: More teams and more players involved in a trade make it so much more difficult

    3. Helping Lakers: Would the suggested trade improve Lakers’ roster?[/quote]

    I’m well aware of the judging criteria. I’m not saying it wasn’t an interesting trade, or even that my trade should have won. But the simplest or easiest trade isn’t necessarily the best trade for the Lakers or that the GM is “better than Mitch”, which was the whole point. Really, a GM should be trying every possible option to make his team better, even if a trade is more “difficult” to pull off.

    Would we want Mitch to give up just because it might require a little more work and negotiation to make a trade happen? If it doesn’t happen, then of course you try another trade. I totally agree that some trades might be completely unrealistic, so much so that it would be insulting to even bring it up to the other manager. But that doesn’t mean that a 3 or 4 team trade is unheard of. :-)

    Anyway, it was an interesting challenge, and it was fun reading everyone’s thoughts. Maybe another challenge can be done in the future with additional criteria.

  • http://cokespill.com/english/band/jonny.html joninjapan

    i suppose i should gloat. . or something haha

    do i get to print the certificate?

  • cyrus

    yetanotherexpert,

    Sorry, I posted the 3 criteria for everybody, I didn’t mean to be assertive on your comments.

    Interesting enough; judges graded the trades independently, without discussing any proposed trades among them, but the results were similar for individual trades.

    Anyway, we have have a new challenge coming up soon and you can give it another shot. We are changing the criteria a bit to fit the new challenge.

  • fatty

    This Challenge became a work in progress because of so many entries. Your suggestion will be given some serious thought.

    We had 40 entries. Each Judge looked at them independently. Somethings some people said impressed some judges, but not another. The final scores were interesting to me, because we all agreed on the top five.

    A whole bunch were in the middle, with a few at or near the bottom. A few were also between the top 5 and the middle bunch.

    Complicated trades for me scored lower in pulling them off. But scored well if in the end it improved us. Some Judges loved complicated trades. My point is, we are just judges, asked to give our opinion, that’s all. We are not experts, just bloggers like everyone here, having a good time playing GM with our favorite team, the Lakers.

    Thanks for your efforts, I enjoyed reading everyone of them. Even lakerfan17 who got a zero for trading Kobe.

  • BEC

    I dont think this is a very wise choice or even trade. First, the lakers dont need another small forward type player, we have TWO perfectly capable starters in LO and Luke who know our system. Ak only makes us a better team but not a contending team, which should be priority number one. One of our biggest problems is our interior defense and dribble penetration, we were the sixth worst defensive team in the nba. AK is a good player but not someone wholl put us over the top. IMO, the JO trade is without a doubt in my mind the best possible trade, he fills every void that the Lakers are missing, from interior defense to a solid second option for Kobe, AK doesnt fill any of that. We need someone who can play on the block. Why do you think we want and need Bynum and Kwame to play so well for us to win? We need heart and consistency in our front court.
    Anything less than a title is unacceptable. From Utahs perspective this is good, expiring contracts will give them cap space and the opportunity to resign Deron, Milsap, and Brewer. But does this trade make the Lakers contenders? IMO i dont think so.

  • http://cokespill.com/english/band/jonny.html joninjapan

    BEC

    actually, three things were killing us last year, dribble penetration, interior defense, and utter lack of defense at the 3.

    now that smush is gone and kobe seems more intent on defense, dribble penetration looks to be less of an issue. and less dribble penetration is directly linked to interior defense

    with the emergence of Bynum as a shot blocking presence as well as the return of mihm who is an ok-excellent help defender we feel that interior defense will improve even more.

    now all that leaves is defense at the 3. which AK should fill in nicely. a concern would of course be AK and his injury history, but as you’ve pointed out, we have Luke who is more than capable of stepping up admirably

    a facade that gets overlooked i feel about AK’s game is his passing ability. in what little i have seen of him he seems to have great court awareness and an occasional eye for the spectacular. in fact, if the suns werent looking to reduce committed salary it would make loads of sense for them to try to swap AK for the Matrix

    but thats irrelevant haha

    i should have mentioned my trade IS based on the assumption that Bynum continues on the course that he has set and average about 12-9 and 1.5-2 blocks

  • Faith

    BEC,

    While AK47 plays the small forward…he’s miles ahead of both Vlad and Luke. In talent alone. Neither one of those can hit shots consistently (at least with Vlad in Laker uniform), and neither can defend as well AK47. However, like it has been said, it’s not a perfect trade certainly, but it was a step in the right direction.

    And yes, I myself had a ton of ties, and mostly high scores, everyone did a good job.

  • http://cokespill.com/english/band/jonny.html joninjapan

    i should have mentioned my trade IS based on the assumption that Bynum continues on the course that he has set and average about 12-9 and 1.5-2 blocks

  • laker4life23

    I like the AK deal but I’d rather keep MO and send a future 1st rounder. That I feel is a much better deal since MO is huge off the bench for us.

  • cyrus

    joninjapan,

    Just click on the certificate and the link will gives you the image in jpeg format. You can print out from there.

    Go ahead, that certificate is yours, take it.

  • http://hzmdesigns.com hZm

    [quote comment="12611"]i suppose i should gloat. . or something haha

    do i get to print the certificate?[/quote]

    Go ahead, print it.

    Frame it, put it on your wall… show off to all your friends. Haha

    As long as you don’t sell my autograph on ebay. If you do, I want 50% of it.

  • BEC

    joninjapan,
    “actually, three things were killing us last year, dribble penetration, interior defense, and utter lack of defense at the 3.

    now that smush is gone and kobe seems more intent on defense, dribble penetration looks to be less of an issue. and less dribble penetration is directly linked to interior defense

    with the emergence of Bynum as a shot blocking presence as well as the return of mihm who is an ok-excellent help defender we feel that interior defense will improve even more.

    now all that leaves is defense at the 3. which AK should fill in nicely. a concern would of course be AK and his injury history, but as you’ve pointed out, we have Luke who is more than capable of stepping up admirably”

    “While AK47 plays the small forward…he’s miles ahead of both Vlad and Luke. In talent alone. Neither one of those can hit shots consistently (at least with Vlad in Laker uniform), and neither can defend as well AK47. However, like it has been said, it’s not a perfect trade certainly, but it was a step in the right direction.”

    EXACTLY. But how do you expect Kobe to play DEFENSE if he has to CARRY so much of the offensive load? Because not one man on this team can play consistent offense night in and night out. Its been the same since the LAST 3 YEARS. And I have seen AK play his entire career and he is not a good offensive second option, thats why hes the 4th option on the Utah Jazz.
    For Kobe to FINALLY play DEFENSE and help on dribble penetration, Kobe needs a consistent second option badly. Hes scoring and spending too much energy to even consider playing some real defense, which kills our interior defense and the rest. Phil knows that the best way for the Lakers to win with this team is Kobe scoring more than him focusing on defense, because not one guy on this team is consistent on offense.
    Without Kobe getting that consistent second option, he wont help much on defense and there WILL STILL BE dribble penetration, addition of fish is not going to help much, AK is a good help defender and man to man defender. But once he helps because Kobe wont, the guard drives and kicks and were back to square one and defending the three is still just as bad. Kobe cant possibly help stop dribble penetration if he has to score 30-40 points night in and night out and spend so much on energy on the offensive end, just wont happen.

    Thats why I feel getting a really good second option for Kobe is key and personally I dont think AK fills that role. Hes a good player and would help this team tremendously but I just dont think he has what it takes to take us over the top, because anything short of a title means nothing.
    Yeah if Bynum does become better and becomes that presence on the block on both ends we will be good and we wont even need anyone, but thats a big IF.

  • raphaelr

    this is why I proposed my al harrington trade :) that I thought was good, but the reasons I got were somewhat bad why the trade was not good, reasons like
    we are sad we didn’t get kg :(

    we will maybe do it if you give us premier tickets :)

  • laker4life23

    Lakers can wait it out. I know most laker fans are dying for big change but its not needed. I have enormous faith in bynum and I feel he WILL Be great. If indiana lowers their price and takes bynum others without giving up Lamar, DO IT. If they stay intent with LO AB for JO then no deal, and lakers should never give in. I dont feel lakers need any trade at this point, with all the additions to the team and people back from injury, we’re ready. This team was capable last year to get 50 wins with the additions and the best player in the world, I feel they can make it the entire way. Bynum’s been working hard and lamar hopefully will be consistent, that in its own reminds of Jordan and the bulls. With or without JO lakers can achieve a title, because of the mere fact of kobe bryant being the best player alive. if it doesnt work out this season, kwame’s contract is out and we can push for a big Free agent, either way, lakers have the time to wait.

  • http://cokespill.com/english/band/jonny.html joninjapan

    BEC

    [quote post="925"]Thats why I feel getting a really good second option for Kobe is key and personally I dont think AK fills that role. Hes a good player and would help this team tremendously but I just dont think he has what it takes to take us over the top, because anything short of a title means nothing.[/quote]

    i absolutely agree. however the flip side is that if you have AK on defense the opposition scores less and therefore kobe has to score less for us to win. . its a slightly harder concept to grasp.

    but basically this trade, as i noted in the proposal, is based mostly on kwame’s contract.

    “what i have to consider as a GM is that, even with kwame’s 9 million coming off the books in 08, we still don’t fall back under the cap. now, i’m working with the assumption that we’re not going to resign kwame at 9 million next year. therefore, we can only use kwame’s contract to get a decent player who is worth their weight in green this year.”

    its about getting a decent core (Kobe AK LO) with good role players (Dfish Luke Mihm) while our young talent grows (Socks Critter and Farmar) surely the lakers have a greater chance of winning with AK and that leads to a greater likelihood that kobe sticks around long enough for bynum to become dominant enough for them to have a reverse KAJ-Magic relationship. . scratch that. . just a greater likelihood that kobe sticks around

    thats still an excellent point about kobe’s defense though, the only answer to that would be “hopefully LO steps up and hopefully Vlad’s hand is healed and hopefully Bynum keeps improving. . .yada yada” . .all the same stuff you’d say if we left the team they way it is, except we’d have AK

    interesting stuff. . to be sure

  • J-Cool
  • cyrus

    I am truly impressed by the high IQ basketball discussions on this thread. It’s inspiring. Thank you all for making a difference by initiating smart basketball talk on this website. I hope we can always provide you with challenging topic and articles to bring the best out you.

  • Rpoc

    Oh, I have seen this trade. ‘Tis a good trade for us in value on the surface, but there’s some irony in it!

    JO has an opt out next year, cap space for Utah, JO possibly comes to Utah! Kobe gets pissed. Utah doesn’t have to extend contracts just yet next year so they’ll have cap room to work with. Still a paycut from his salary but at least he’ll get more than the MLE.

    Besides that, let’s also not forget that this is still Phil’s team. Defense will never be the primary emphasis as long as he and Tex Winter are with us. Phil is also keeping Kobe cool. Jerry, Mitch, Jim have already went out of his circle.

    What AK gives us is weak-side blocking, not frontal blocking like what Shaq gave us. Or what Duncan gives to the Spurs. That’s what we need.

    This trade puts heavy emphasis on Bynum’s potential to go along with the other projects in Critt/Farmar. You have a pissed off 29 year old Kobe wanting to contend now and he just played with a star-studded USA team.

    Bynum must become our 2nd option as a low-post option, our true shot blocker, and play heavy minutes. Also trade value is important. If he busts, we are in trouble as that was a great trade asset.

    It’s usually the older guys teams that win championships.

    cyrus, those ESPN links don’t tell the whole story. Better to post the winning posts somewhere to look at. Good references.

  • Rpoc

    And no silver or bronze certificates! LeBronze would be mad!! /sarcasm

  • fatty

    One final thought from Fatty.

    Its not what a person thinks is the best way to go. Its playing within the parameters or rules of the challenge that ultimately decides who wins.

    In this GM challenge, there were few rules, like you can’t trade Kobe. Or we said complicated multi team trades could be marked down.

    If we have another GM challenge, we might say, make the Lakers better, and the parameter is, it must be a multi team trade.

    Its just the way we wanted to go, no knock on a multi team trade, in fact, we had some multi team trades that scored quite high because the end results were very good.

    One of the goals with the GM challenge was to promote debate, increase all of our knowledge on how trades work, and have a good time in doing so. The GM challenge, that Cyrus created accomplished just that.

    Can’t wait for the next one.

    RPOC: A finalist Certificate is not a bad idea. Maybe we can have a pink slip one, (Your fired) as well. lol

  • ceballos-neverforget

    Ok, J-cool’s link to that Plan D hoopsworld article was almost word for word my trade idea posted in the “better than mitch” blog.

    Looks like someone’s been reading our blogs…shouldve copyrighted :)

  • Rpoc

    I suggest some way for better organization in the next debates. It got messy after more people started to join in.

  • cyrus

    Rpoc,

    Go to this link to see all props.
    http://thelakersnation.com/blog/?p=879

    Please post your suggestions on this thread, we could use some good advise for the next challenge. Thanks

  • BEC

    [quote comment="12648"]What AK gives us is weak-side blocking, not frontal blocking like what Shaq gave us. Or what Duncan gives to the Spurs. That’s what we need.

    This trade puts heavy emphasis on Bynum’s potential to go along with the other projects in Critt/Farmar. You have a pissed off 29 year old Kobe wanting to contend now and he just played with a star-studded USA team.

    Bynum must become our 2nd option as a low-post option, our true shot blocker, and play heavy minutes. Also trade value is important. If he busts, we are in trouble as that was a great trade asset.

    It’s usually the older guys teams that win championships.[/quote]

    Well said.

  • cyrus

    BEC,

    Did you get my email? I sent you a message to your yahoo address. Please respond. Thanks

  • cyrus

    Rpoc,

    I just sent you a message to your hotmail account. please read and respond. thanks

  • J-Cool

    http://forums.lakersground.net/viewtopic.php?t=45954&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

    i’ve heard there’s a discussion between the 2 teams – nothing more – and my source is not the poster on CL.

  • BEC

    [quote comment="12677"]BEC,

    Did you get my email? I sent you a message to your yahoo address. Please respond. Thanks[/quote]

    I got the email and responded. Let me know if somehow you dint get the email.

  • thehamm99

    Who knew the judges were more mindless than some of the posters??

    Utah has already said they don’t want to trade Kirilenko — especially not for that junk that the winner offered up.

    I’m dissapointed in you guys… Where are the intelligent Lakers fans? Not on this judging panel, that’s for sure.

  • thehamm99

    sorry…Didn’t get a chance to look at the whole “top 3″ earlier today, as I was in a hurry…Finally saw the other 2. Judges, are you serious?

    This must be the twilight zone?

    Rule #2: “Do not propose unrealistic trades.”

    So, trade #2 is giving up Bynum, Brown, vujacic, crittenton, evans (5 players) for Jermaine O’neal?????

    trade #3:Substitute Cook for Evans (5 players) for Jermaine O’neal??????

    I thought everyone on here knew that:
    a) Pacers management won’t take less than bynum and odom, if they’ll do it at all, and
    b) they won’t do a 5 for 1 deal, as they already have 15 players under contract.

    I am really starting to lose faith in my fellow Lakers fans…this is getting scary.

    Kirilenko – not coming! O’neal – not coming!

    In the words of G-funk: “Wack!!!!”

    Great job judges, you’ve proven this webpage and all its contents to be a waste of space and time.

    Let me know when we get O’neal or Kirilenko….And right after that we’ll trade 6 players for LeBron James, or Dwight Howard! Yay!

  • http://www.clubnetshoops.com Klewfish

    I would like some feedback from the judges on my trades. I thought my trades were very practical, and some of the most creative out of them all (because I didn’t go after JO or Artest)

    Just as a reminder my trades were

    Lakers trade Kwame Brown, Brian Cook, Jordan Farmar, 08 1st for Andre Miller, Stephen Hunter from the 76ers.

    Lakers Trade Andrew Bynum, Lamar Odom, Vladamir Radmanovic,Sasha Vujacic, 09 2nd for Rasheed Wallace, Tayshaun Prince, Antonio McDyess.

    76ers do their trade because they get a great young PG to go with their young core, an expiring contract, and a 1st round pick. That is perfect compensation for a rebuilding team.

    The Pistons do their end of the deal because they get a ton of talent. They lose two great veterans, but can still remain competitive in the East with a lineup of Billups, Hamilton, Vlad, Odom, Nazr. They are also well on their way to rebuilding for the future with Bynum, Afflalo, Stuckey.

    Was it because I made two trades instead of just one?

    Lakers new lineup

    Andre Miller/Derek Fisher/Javaris Crittenton
    Kobe Bryant/Mo Evans
    Tayshaun Prince/Luke Walton
    Rasheed Wallace/Antonio McDyess/Ronny Turiaf
    Chris Mihm/Stephen Hunter

    Add a veteran like Webber or PJ Brown to the mix for the remainder of the MLE, and that is a practical, innovative, and realistic scenario for the Lakers to win a championship.

  • http://www.clubnetshoops.com Klewfish

    I’d like some feedback on my trades, and why the judges didn’t like them. They were completely original to the plethora of JO and Artest trades, and were logical. For a quick rebriefing

    Lakers-76ers. Lakers Trade Kwame Brown, Jordan Farmar, Brian Cook, and an 08 1st round pick for Andre Miller, Stephen Hunter.

    They get a young PG to go along with Carney, Iguodala, Dalembert. An expiring contract and a draft pick. Everything a rebuilding team looks for in a trade. Lakers did it to get a tri-PG and a shotblocker, something the Lakers lacked last year.

    Lakers-Pistons. Lakers trade Lamar Odom, Andrew Bynum, Vladamir Radmanovic, Sasha Vujacic, and a 09 2nd for Rasheed Wallace, Tayshaun Prince, Antonio McDyess

    They do it because they still compete in the East with Billups, Hamilton, Vlad, Odom, Nazr. They have a nice core for the future with Afflalo, Stuckey and Bynum. Lakers do it to add 3 veteran defensive presences.

    Lakers new lineup

    Andre Miller/Derek Fisher/Javaris Crittenton
    Kobe Bryant/Maurice Evans
    Tayshaun Prince/Luke Walton
    Rasheed Wallace/Antonio McDyess/Ronny Turiaf
    Chris Mihm/Chris Webber/Stephen Hunter

    Use the remainder of the MLE on Chris Webber or Danny Fortson.

    What was wrong with that? Just looking for feedback.

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