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Posted December 22, 2008 - 08:46 PM

He's only 23 and his talent is obvious. His outside shot will only improve and he obviously has a very high basketball IQ. He is an injury risk, but so was Andrew. Therefore, he's worth more than the 3/15 that Sasha got. Let's call Luke and Buzz Kill's contracts aberrations because if you want to compare Ariza to them he's worth what Bynum got. James Posey got a 4 year, 25 mil deal. That's about right.

James Posey has championship experience, is a better defender than Ariza, is a better offensive player than Ariza, ect...

Only offer him a 3-4 deal because he has a history of being injured and his foot will always be a problem.

He's worth around $5M a year for 3-4 years.

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Posted December 22, 2008 - 09:09 PM

James Posey has championship experience, is a better defender than Ariza, is a better offensive player than Ariza, ect...

Only offer him a 3-4 deal because he has a history of being injured and his foot will always be a problem.

He's worth around $5M a year for 3-4 years.


It's a tough call because he's really showing off his worth around the league. I think he has so much more potential than Posey, but you may be right. At his age, a 4 year, 20 mil contract is nothing to sneeze at, especially for a small forward. What were the Lakers thinking when they signed Buzz Kill and Luke to those ridiculous contracts? I suppose times change.

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Posted December 22, 2008 - 09:56 PM

3 years, $15 million.


Are you finally on the Ariza bandwagon? The only problem I have with him is staying healthy.
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Posted December 22, 2008 - 10:11 PM

Are you finally on the Ariza bandwagon? The only problem I have with him is staying healthy.

Huh?

I always said Ariza is a good "role" player. I just don't like how some people overrate him and call him the next Scottie Pippen.

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Posted December 22, 2008 - 11:26 PM

Ariza's skills is similar to Mikael Pietrus.

Edited by popo, December 22, 2008 - 11:26 PM.

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Posted December 23, 2008 - 04:07 AM

I just don't like how some people overrate him and call him the next Scottie Pippen.

Don't get me wrong, I love Trevor and what he brings to the team, but that comparison should be considered blasphemy.

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Posted December 23, 2008 - 07:24 AM

Huh?

I always said Ariza is a good "role" player. I just don't like how some people overrate him and call him the next Scottie Pippen.


Maybe I'm a bit of a homer, but I haven't seen a small forward on the Lakers with this kind of potential since Caron Butler. He has the potential to be first team all-defense someday. His shot is already improving. For his size, he handles the ball well and has good court vision. Therefore, he has the potential to play the initiator at point forward like Scottie Pippen. He has hops and rebounds well; in fact, he plays a lot taller than he is. Sometimes he gets confused both on D and in the offense, but for the most part he gets it and is learning every day. He is only 23 years old. Most important, there is a certain chemistry that he brings to the team, and Kobe in particular, which has me excited. You may not like how I say that he has the potential to be Kobe's Scottie Pippen, but I haven't seen anyone else with his skill set other than Caron who could fill that role. In fact, I think he has certain skills that are better than Caron's. It doesn't mean I'm saying he'll be as good as Pippen or even Caron Butler, just potentially Kobe's Scottie. And yes, potentially an all-star someday. Take LO off this team, give Ariza a more important role, and watch him blossom.

Edited by Ken #1 Beloved, December 23, 2008 - 07:27 AM.


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Posted December 24, 2008 - 06:58 PM

^ dang ken, i was about to deem you the most knowlegeable guy here until those comments, i love what aariza brings, but scottie,noooooooo way, if he is even coop, i will be very happy
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Posted December 24, 2008 - 07:06 PM

^ dang ken, i was about to deem you the most knowlegeable guy here until those comments, i love what aariza brings, but scottie,noooooooo way, if he is even coop, i will be very happy


I didn't say that he's going to be Scottie Pippen, I'm just acknowledging his potential, especially in tandem with Kobe. Perhaps I am blind, but I see nothing buy continued upside for this kid. He's not starting yet, he's only 23, and he's not getting the minutes. Assuming the Lakers sign him, let's resume this discussion in 3 years. Oh and thanks for the "about to deem" thoughts! :) Merry Christmas!

Edited by Ken #1 Beloved, December 24, 2008 - 07:28 PM.


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Posted December 24, 2008 - 07:16 PM

ariza is by NO MEANS CLOSE to scottie pippen (top 50 best players EVER), but he is already a very decent defender (one that we needed) and is getting better since hes been healthy .... his only problems that i see are:

1) his man defense against larger SF's
2) his injury probelms
3) more gambling than what is necessary
4) his jumpshot (which is getting better but as of now is just decent, i still get scared when i see him jack up a shot outside of 18 feet)

he is one of the top 5 players in the league that plays the passing lanes near perfect due to his quickness and length (actually #3 per data gathered on espn by nba coaches and staff), he has the potential to be a top tier defender if he gains enough muscle to take those larger SF's but not so much that he loses his quickness, if he can improve his outside shot like raja bell did, and make sure he stays healthy, we should sign him to a deal of $5-6 million for 3-4 years imo so we can resign him during his prime years
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Posted December 24, 2008 - 07:21 PM

We will probably have to pay Ariza a midlevel contract 5-6 million over 6 years. Why because someone will pay him that over the summer. Look what Pietrus got from Orlando. Lakers had to sign Bynum this past summer if they wanted to save 15-20 million. Another team would have maxed out him over the summer and the Lakers would have had to match. Almost all players are paid on potential not necessarily that they have earned it.
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Posted December 24, 2008 - 07:30 PM

Ariza isn't close to Scottie, and Kobe isn't close to Jordan... but Ariza can be the Scottie to Kobe's Jordan.

I say we have to keep him.

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Posted December 24, 2008 - 07:43 PM

^ariza isnt clost to scottie, kobe is very close to jordan, but not there, but keep Ariza
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Posted December 24, 2008 - 08:11 PM

3 years, $15 million.

That's stiffing him.

I think 7-8 million a year would be a good deal for the Lakers.
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Posted December 24, 2008 - 08:15 PM

Maybe I'm a bit of a homer, but I haven't seen a small forward on the Lakers with this kind of potential since Caron Butler. He has the potential to be first team all-defense someday. His shot is already improving. For his size, he handles the ball well and has good court vision. Therefore, he has the potential to play the initiator at point forward like Scottie Pippen. He has hops and rebounds well; in fact, he plays a lot taller than he is. Sometimes he gets confused both on D and in the offense, but for the most part he gets it and is learning every day. He is only 23 years old. Most important, there is a certain chemistry that he brings to the team, and Kobe in particular, which has me excited. You may not like how I say that he has the potential to be Kobe's Scottie Pippen, but I haven't seen anyone else with his skill set other than Caron who could fill that role. In fact, I think he has certain skills that are better than Caron's. It doesn't mean I'm saying he'll be as good as Pippen or even Caron Butler, just potentially Kobe's Scottie. And yes, potentially an all-star someday. Take LO off this team, give Ariza a more important role, and watch him blossom.


IMO, he has the potential to be better than Caron.

Caron will always have the scoring on Ariza, but Ariza will be the bigger impact player. I can see Ariza scoring 15-18 per in his prime, grabbing 7 boards, dishing 3-4 assists, and averaging 2.5 steals.
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Posted December 25, 2008 - 02:00 AM

That's stiffing him.

I think 7-8 million a year would be a good deal for the Lakers.

$7-8M a year? lol

He's worth no more than $5M per season.

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Posted December 25, 2008 - 05:49 AM

Ariza isn't close to Scottie, and Kobe isn't close to Jordan... but Ariza can be the Scottie to Kobe's Jordan.

I say we have to keep him.



not close to jordan??? ... arguably hes not better but NOT CLOSE ..... kobe was a top 35 player in 2002 (they had a newer greatest 50 nba players list, i think it was like a book, back then from the NBA but i cant seem to find it, its not the 1996 list tho), imo, i think kobe would be in the top 15 already so i dont understand how he cant be "close" when jordan is arguably not even the #1 best player ever (tho in that book it put jordan at #1, but in 1996 jordan was listed at like #38) ... it could go to kareem, magic, wilt, or bill russell
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Posted December 25, 2008 - 07:00 AM

all the guys calling ariza kobe's "pippen" is not actually comparing him to pippen, just saying he could be kobe's sidekick/right hand man, if you will (like how pippen was jordan's sidekick/right hand man)


hypothetically, its like they're saying ariza's robin to kobe's batman, then you guys are arguing that ariza is no where even close to robin because he wears green undies and flips around gotham.

ya'll get what i'm saying? haha

Edited by androsays, December 25, 2008 - 07:01 AM.


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Posted December 25, 2008 - 07:03 AM

ya'll get what i'm saying? haha

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Posted December 25, 2008 - 07:59 AM

Maybe I'm a bit of a homer, but I haven't seen a small forward on the Lakers with this kind of potential since Caron Butler. He has the potential to be first team all-defense someday. His shot is already improving. For his size, he handles the ball well and has good court vision. Therefore, he has the potential to play the initiator at point forward like Scottie Pippen. He has hops and rebounds well; in fact, he plays a lot taller than he is. Sometimes he gets confused both on D and in the offense, but for the most part he gets it and is learning every day. He is only 23 years old. Most important, there is a certain chemistry that he brings to the team, and Kobe in particular, which has me excited. You may not like how I say that he has the potential to be Kobe's Scottie Pippen, but I haven't seen anyone else with his skill set other than Caron who could fill that role. In fact, I think he has certain skills that are better than Caron's. It doesn't mean I'm saying he'll be as good as Pippen or even Caron Butler, just potentially Kobe's Scottie. And yes, potentially an all-star someday. Take LO off this team, give Ariza a more important role, and watch him blossom.

I won't overated him as a Pippen, but I'll says he's going to be the next Artest, without the crazy.......Hopefully




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