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[BeeZee]

I decided to do some research, and here's what we've got.

vs. Blazers - Kobe shot 17 times, Bynum shot 10 times, Gasol shot 10 times.
@ Clippers - Kobe shot 12 times, Bynum shot 7 times, Gasol shot 10 times.
@ Nuggets - Kobe shot 24 times, Bynum shot 1 time, Gasol shot 15 times.
vs. Clippers - Kobe shot 21 times, Bynum shot 9 times, Gasol shot 7 times.
vs. Rockets - Kobe shot 17 times, Bynum shot 10 times, Gasol shot 10 times.
@ Mavericks - Kobe shot 20 times, Bynum shot 12 times, Gasol shot 15 times.
@ Hornets - Kobe shot 15 times, Bynum shot 10 times, Gasol shot 15 times.
vs. Pistons - Kobe shot 30 times, Bynum shot 7 times, Gasol shot 11 times.
vs. Bulls - Kobe shot 18 times, Bynum shot 10 times, Gasol shot 21 times.
@ Suns - Kobe shot 23 times, Bynum shot 8 times, Gasol shot 8 times.
vs. Nuggets - Kobe shot 18 times, Bynum shot 9 times, Gasol shot 9 times.
vs. Kings - Kobe shot 20 times, Bynum shot 8 times, Gasol shot 14 times.
vs. Nets - Kobe shot 17 times, Bynum shot 9 times, Gasol shot 12 times.
vs. Mavericks - Kobe shot 26 times, Bynum shot 12 times, Gasol shot 12 times.
vs. Raptors - Kobe shot 14 times, Bynum shot 13 times, Gasol shot 17 times.
@ Pacers - Kobe shot 21 times, Bynum shot 9 times, Gasol shot 12 times.
@ 76ers - Kobe shot 20 times, Bynum shot 11 times, Gasol shot 12 times.
@ Wizards - Kobe shot 17 times, Bynum shot 11 times, Gasol shot 11 times.
vs. Bucks - Kobe shot 13 times, Bynum shot 9 times, Gasol shot 5 times.

The ones bolded are the times where Kobe shot more than Bynum/Gasol combined. The ones that are italicized are the times where it was a push. And the ones left alone are the times where Bynum/Gasol had more combined shots than Kobe.

So in 19 games, Kobe has shot more than Bynum/Gasol combined five times, and in those games, we are 4-1. It was a push on two occasions, and in those games we are 1-1. In the 12 games that Bynum/Gasol have more combined shots than Kobe, we are 12-0.

[kingjeezy♕]

What's the point, really? None of those statistics are conclusive in any way.

[BeeZee]

Someone else from another forum was talking about how Kobe's shot attempts should never be more than Bynum & Gasol's attempts combined, so I looked up the stats on it. It's a small sample size, no doubt, but I guess it just shows that when Kobe matches or shoots more than them, we're 5-2, and when they have more combined shots, we're 12-0. Point being we should continue giving the ball to our big men and let them dominate down low.

[daco_inc]

My problem really isn't his amount of attempts, it's his shot selection. I don't care if he has 20 attempts per game, or more than Drew and Pau combined (within reason, of course), as long as they are smart shots taken in rhythm. And there's a lot of factors that the OP's stats don't take into consideration, such as playing time, pace of the game, who's guarding who, foul trouble, etc.

[Grandpa Herman]

No, at some point you have to draw the line with stats. The situation during the course of a game is always gonna be different. Against Denver Bynum was in foul trouble and wasn't on the court long enough to get into a rhythm.

Maybe in the games where Kobe took more shots than those 2 combined they weren't getting good position and we couldn't feed them the ball. So Kobe felt like he had the burden on his back to get the defense focused on him so he could free them up more inside, but the defense didn't let up and he was already in a groove and we had the lead so Phil could've been telling Kobe to stay aggressive. So unless you remember little things like that specifically about every game the stats should be irrelevant.

This is why you can't live by whats on a stats sheet.

Edited by Heir, December 09, 2008 - 02:14 PM.

[BeeZee]

Keep in mind that I don't think the stats I got are the end all, be all of how the Lakers should play every game; each game is different. I just thought it was interesting, and I'll be curious to see how it holds up at the end of the season.

I also believe you shouldn't live and die by stat sheets as they never, ever tell the whole story.

Edited by BeeZee, December 09, 2008 - 02:33 PM.

[lakerfool]

Kobe obviously needs to stop shooting too much

but DEFENSE is the main problem with the team if there are any problems.

[popo]

Against teams like Sacramento, New York and Chicago Pau and Drew should be the main options, they all have undersized front-courts.

[last stand 2.0]

kobe is most efficient when he runs off of pau and bynum gets into a rythm and then gets his own

somebody needs to tell him to do this

same with fisher, farmar, vlad, sasha

dammit we have the best big man duo in the NBA can we run our offense through them please

its not difficult run kobe, gasol, bynum in the post get efficient good looks

this fisher, kobe, farmar, vlad shooting outside in instead of inside out needs to stop

no negatives have ever come when we work it inside

all our losses were related to too many jump shots and not enough post entry

pistons too many jumpers

pacers bynum was dominating and then farmar decides to be the hero and turns it over 4 times in a row and starts chucking

kings every time we threw it into pau or bynum we got back in the game then the jumpers started coming

phil needs to see the logic which he probably has but the players are not pulling it off

we have two bigs who shoot a consistent 50+ FG% while others hover around 45% or below where do you go

we have two bigs why not slow the game down like san antonio who won 4 titles doing this so that our bigs aren't running up and down the floor like mad men

i mean fisher chucks and hes hitting like 38% right now

kobe chucks and the rest of the back court chucks

percentages people percentages

[kobynum]

when they put up that many shots, kobing is weaving and setting them up for lay-ups, dunks and pau mind range jumper...
KOBE isnt the reason we LOST

[FranklinPeanuts]

They just gotta work the post alot more IMO... Jumpshot after jumpshot... When the ball goes to Pau and or Drew I think that the offense flows better...