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#21 leor_77

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Posted December 06, 2008 - 12:03 PM

I said it before and i'll say it again...Our guys just have some very bad habits that they need to break. If we have a 16'ish type lead and it goes down to like 8, that's where Phil has to just forget about his habit of not calling a timeout, and call one, and then insert the starters. The problem is if the lakers have a lead, they want to just burn time instead of generating any meaningful offense. With the end of that game, there were just turnovers and outside jump shots galore. In my opinion, it should be consistently thrown into Gasol and Bynum and they should post. Most likely YOU KNOW that they will get points or get fouled 50% of the time if they do that. Or if they're double-teamed, they can kick it out for more meaningful outside shots.

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Posted December 06, 2008 - 02:24 PM

Blowing big leads happen when you aren't focused enough and get complacent. This team needs to have someone smack them around the head when they start dropping a big lead, and there's no one there right now that will do that. We have to show no mercy and completely kill off the other team. Have the "execution" as Kobe would say. Right now, we execute half way, but don't kill it off.
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Posted December 06, 2008 - 02:54 PM

I see a lot of misconception s about Phil's sub pattern. Normally, the first sub/s come in about halfway through the first quarter, and by the time there are about 2 minutes left, all the starters are resting, and whichever of Bynum/Gasol went to the bench first, comes back in to play center for the mob. The mob typically plays til about 6 or 7 minutes left in the 2nd quarter and the starters come back in, but not all at once. This pattern has repeated itself in the 2nd half, and what Phil is now saying, is that the intensity is a bit too much for the mob in the 4th quarter(young) so he will bring the starters in a bit sooner. Of course, fouls, matchups, etc., cause this to vary somewhat, but that is the basic gameplan.

Phil usually only replaces all 5 to make a point. The staggering of the subs gives us different looks which is always a good thing,

Edited by Mo Rings, December 06, 2008 - 02:58 PM.


#24 kobynum

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Posted December 06, 2008 - 10:02 PM

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Posted December 07, 2008 - 02:57 AM

Thanks! Mostly just observant, tho. We are a work in progress, with Drew and Trev getting their timing back, and Drew and Pau learning how to play together.

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Posted December 07, 2008 - 04:46 AM

^ one of the few to not over react, phil has 9 he knows what he is doing, he will lose a game or two to prove a point to his players, and i agree with his strategies, blowing leads is a part of nba basketball, look at the highlights, and you will see more games that looked liked blowouts and ended close, than games with a bunch of lead changes, and look at our avarage margin of victory, and we still havent peaked,
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Posted December 08, 2008 - 12:13 PM

I know that a lot has been said about losing big leads in the last few games especially after last years NBA Finals. But is it really a big deal? Not to say that we don't need to keep improving throughout the season. However, Phil is still trying to find out what his rotation will be. He's basically subbing 4 starters for 4 bench players and using 10-12 players a game. During the playoffs most teams shorten there rotation down to 7 or 8 guys max. He is trying to limit the minutes for his veterans, so that they can have fresh legs in the playoffs. So during the playoffs the starting 5 will probably end up closing most games. During the game against the Pacers inserting the starters after sitting so long kind of hurt. All of Pau's shots were short and Kobe even missed shots that he usually drains. If this problem continues after 30 or 40 games then it's an issue.
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Posted December 08, 2008 - 12:30 PM

When would you rather blow a lead? Less than 20 games into the season or during the playoffs? When you're team is 17-2 it's hard for a coaching staff to criticize or get more out of a team. We all know what happened last year during the NBA Finals. There is no better way to get point across then to have the team go through that during the regular season. When the playoffs begin our rotation will be 8 players max. So most of the 4th quarter will be played by our best 5. Let's not get too crazy 20 games into the season. If this continues 30 or 40 games in then we can start worrying.
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Posted December 08, 2008 - 05:24 PM

also, to be fair, a couple of years ago, we were one of those tems fighting back, even aginst the likes of the spurs, and the suns who were on top just 1 season ago at this point of the year, so count your blessings Lakers fans.
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Posted December 09, 2008 - 12:07 PM

As long as it's our subs blowing leads against the other teams' staters, I'm not terribly concerned.




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