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#1 Nirvana

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Posted November 21, 2008 - 04:19 AM

Currently, Andrew Bynum is averaging 11.3PPG

He's had:

8
12
4
9
13
11
14
8
18
10
13
15

point games and is shooting 51%.

How do you think Andrew Bynum's development on the offensive side is going?

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Posted November 21, 2008 - 08:30 AM

From the numbers you posted, they are decent for a center, I'm not expecting too much points wise what I look is how he controls the paint defensively with rebounds and block, Gasol is there for the offensive aspect of it, there will be games that he will go off, because there center is not as good as him.

Right now I'm pleased with his blocks and rebounds, that has helped the lakers, because it's one shot and done.

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Posted November 21, 2008 - 09:46 AM

I think its good so far. He was hitting his stride last year before he got injured. I do think we will see the same of Bynum for the next 10-20 games or so, then he will start finding his offensive game a lot easier.

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Posted November 21, 2008 - 10:11 AM

Right now I don't think he looks comfortable out there, he's hit some shots but has thrown up many bricks and airballs- rushing, basically. It's nice to see him improve his jumper but he needs to find his inside game again.

His defensive presence has been good, but he really needs to learn how to use his body better to block out and get rebounds. Right now he's kind of passive going to get the ball.

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Posted November 21, 2008 - 10:16 AM

His PPG was expected to drop, but that percentage is just terrible. He was leading the league in FG% before his injury last year. The dude needs to pick his spots better and be more aggressive. It's still early in the season, so I don't see it as a problem yet. We'll see how he does the next 10 games. Other than that, he's doing what's expected of him.

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Posted November 21, 2008 - 12:26 PM

His PPG was expected to drop, but that percentage is just terrible. He was leading the league in FG% before his injury last year. The dude needs to pick his spots better and be more aggressive. It's still early in the season, so I don't see it as a problem yet. We'll see how he does the next 10 games. Other than that, he's doing what's expected of him.


its like i said hes attacking the rim passively rather than agressively

last january anything close to the rim was a slam no matter who was near him now its a soft layup
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Posted November 21, 2008 - 12:34 PM

Andrew has a ton of work to do.

If he wants more touches, he has got to get in the post stronger, quicker and with more frequency. Wanting the ball is nice and all, but its rough to get him active in the post when he hangs out at free throw line level so much.

He's supposed to be the pivot or pick then fade down to the post, instead he's picking or passing off then standing still up top. Can't have that.

When a shot goes up he needs to get back in the habit of immediately getting under the basket for the board. The last couple of games he's been fading away more. Again, can't have that in your center.

Be as aggressive on the offensive end as he is on the defensive end and things will straighten out in a real hurry. Get that Josh Powell attitude where every board is yours, and the space underneath the hoop in the deep post belongs to you. No more passive play on the offensive end.

Exercise patience when you have the ball in the post. He doesn't have to rush into his moves. He's so talented as far as an array of moves go, but he's been trying to push through 2 or 3 guys for a dunk. Pump fake, pass out of the post for reset, head fake, an extra dribble - all of these will keep Andrew from getting stripped on the way up to the hoop.

Also, in that same vein, he must relax. He has game - a lot of it, but he's squelching it by trying to do too much right now. It takes a while to develop a game (especially after such a prolonged injury), don't be in a hurry. Being ambitious is awesome but not at the cost of smart play.

I'm not anti-Bynum. In fact, I think the kid can be a massive presence in the league for years to come.

But as far as his play goes this year (and eys i know he missed a lot of time), it leaves a lot to be desired.

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Posted November 21, 2008 - 12:37 PM

Andrew has a ton of work to do.

If he wants more touches, he has got to get in the post stronger, quicker and with more frequency. Wanting the ball is nice and all, but its rough to get him active in the post when he hangs out at free throw line level so much.

he's supposed to be the pivot or pick then fade down to the post, instead he's picking or passing off then standing still up top. Can't have that.

When a shot goes up he needs to get back in the habit of immediately getting under the basket for the board. The last couple of games he's been fading away more. Again, can't have that in your center.

Exercise patience when you have the ball in the post. He doesn't have to rush into his moves. He's so talented as far as an array of moves go, but he's been trying to push through 2 or 3 guys for a dunk. Pump fake, pass out of the post for reset, head fake, an extra dribble - all of these will keep Andrew from getting stripped on the way up to the hoop.

I'm not anti-Bynum. In fact, I think the kid can be a massive presence in the league for years to come.

But as far as his play goes this year (and eys i know he missed a lot of time), it leaves a lot to be desired.


hes also not passing out of the post like he was last year

but i chalk it up to him and gasol looking absolutely uncomfortable out there i could see everything falling into place by december or january
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Posted November 21, 2008 - 12:38 PM

Yeah i figured before the season started that he'd be in gear around mid-January.

To his credit, that injury was pretty devastating in and of itself, let alone when it happened in his career.

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Posted November 21, 2008 - 12:41 PM

Yeah i figured before the season started that he'd be in gear around mid-January.

To his credit, that injury was pretty devastating in and of itself, let alone when it happened in his career.


yeah the injury happened right when he was hitting his stride which cannot be understated

but whats great is with the whole kobe situation last year he came out and played tough and smart showing his mental toughness

which means he should be able to overcome this adversity
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Posted November 22, 2008 - 04:52 PM

honestly he's improving as the season progresses. i think his pct will go up as the season progresses. he's a good offensive center, but he lacks the touches to establish a rhythm
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Posted November 22, 2008 - 05:32 PM

Hes bounced back well but not to the level as last years December/January. But it doesn't matter if he scores that much. Just like everyone else is pointing out. As long as he is able to control the paint on defense and able to control opposing teams to one shot opportunity than fine. He still doesn't look that comfortable but i wasn't expecting him to explode in the beginning of the season. If he continues to work im sure he can raise his average this year to about 12-13 points a game. Again we are not expecting him to score, I'm sure all people who watch the Lakers now that. We have 7 other guys who can go off on any night and then theres Kobe.

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Posted November 22, 2008 - 08:03 PM

I ain't complaining, the Lakers are 10-1 with him in the starting lineup. Sure, he isn't getting the PPG he was getting last year but his defense is as good as it ever was.

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Posted November 22, 2008 - 08:15 PM

I ain't complaining, the Lakers are 10-1 with him in the starting lineup. Sure, he isn't getting the PPG he was getting last year but his defense is as good as it ever was.



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Posted November 22, 2008 - 08:42 PM

it's a bit dissapointing to see his FG% drop, but again that comes with developing more of an offensive game and not relying too much exclusively on dunks and lobs.

his game against the Suns we saw more of Andrew slamming it home. . which was nice to see

I'm personally more worried with the number of dunks Ariza has missed, and how Fisher continues to throw harder and harder alley-oop passes for Kobe (i think Kobe finally wasn't able to convert the last one)
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Posted November 23, 2008 - 01:38 AM

He has improved the last 3 games...

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Bynum is gradually looking sharper, going for 13 points and 13 rebounds against Denver after getting 18 points and nine rebounds a few days earlier against Chicago.

In between, he had a herky-jerky 10-point, seven-rebound effort against Phoenix that could be attributed to foul trouble, but he seemed to be growing more comfortable the last few games.

He is also shooting better -- 59.3% the last three games -- after starting the season with surprisingly low 45.5% accuracy.

"Day by day, man," he said. "I was out for a long time, so I'll build it up and hopefully be playing better than I was last year."

Bynum also tied a career high with five assists against Denver.

"I was just drawing the double team and kicking out the ball quick," he said. "That's what you're supposed to do. That's what you're taught to do."


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Posted November 23, 2008 - 12:42 PM

positive energy fellow fans, stop nitpicking
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Posted November 23, 2008 - 02:12 PM

Scoring doesn't matter if you can play D, so Bynum keep doing what your doing scoring is for the girly players that don't know how to get physical

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Posted November 24, 2008 - 11:16 AM

List updated.
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Posted November 24, 2008 - 11:52 AM

Andrew has a ton of work to do.

If he wants more touches, he has got to get in the post stronger, quicker and with more frequency. Wanting the ball is nice and all, but its rough to get him active in the post when he hangs out at free throw line level so much.

He's supposed to be the pivot or pick then fade down to the post, instead he's picking or passing off then standing still up top. Can't have that.

When a shot goes up he needs to get back in the habit of immediately getting under the basket for the board. The last couple of games he's been fading away more. Again, can't have that in your center.

Be as aggressive on the offensive end as he is on the defensive end and things will straighten out in a real hurry. Get that Josh Powell attitude where every board is yours, and the space underneath the hoop in the deep post belongs to you. No more passive play on the offensive end.

Exercise patience when you have the ball in the post. He doesn't have to rush into his moves. He's so talented as far as an array of moves go, but he's been trying to push through 2 or 3 guys for a dunk. Pump fake, pass out of the post for reset, head fake, an extra dribble - all of these will keep Andrew from getting stripped on the way up to the hoop.

Also, in that same vein, he must relax. He has game - a lot of it, but he's squelching it by trying to do too much right now. It takes a while to develop a game (especially after such a prolonged injury), don't be in a hurry. Being ambitious is awesome but not at the cost of smart play.

I'm not anti-Bynum. In fact, I think the kid can be a massive presence in the league for years to come.

But as far as his play goes this year (and eys i know he missed a lot of time), it leaves a lot to be desired.



I agree 100%. Only thing(s) I have to add is both Pau and Bynum have spacing and strength issues...Pau because he's not a bruiser, Bynum because he still needs to add muscle to his frame.

They are both starting too far out of the paint because they are getting pushed out. They don't have the strength to hold that deep post position and even if they establish deep post position, their teammates aren't finding them fast enough to do anything with it.

There are still spacing issues also. Last year, Bynum had the paint to himself because Lamar (starting PF) floated to the perimeter 95% of the time. Those lobs and putbacks were easy when all he had to do is out jump 1 or 2 people who weren't paying him too much attention anyway because he wasn't a primary offensive weapon. He was spoonfed many high % looks because Kobe or LO or Farmar broke down the defense, Bynum's man rotated to help and all Bynum had to do was finish or clean up.

This year, we are throwing the ball into him and asking him to create offense. That's new. That's not what made him dominant last year. Add Pau's man in the lane on defense as the double or weakside help and it's not hard to see where the difference fell in the fg% and ppg.

Edited by GCMD, November 24, 2008 - 11:55 AM.





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