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[JD]

I'm willing to give him a chance at the 3... but I almost feel like the old saying, "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me". The guy has been given multiple chances to become a consistent threat. He has the physical tools, to be a monster mismatch, but continually disappears.

I really do like him. However, if the right deal comes along, then you let him go. Artest isn't that deal, though.

[Real Deal]

It really doesn't matter who we play every night, it matters who we play in the playoffs.

Lamar shot well from the field in the playoffs, but that's because other teams let him do what he needed to because he doesn't do much at all offensively.

If we had a bigger offensive threat, and someone that can play defense, such as Artest, teams would have to worry...and Kobe would go crazy again.

With Bynum, we are still lacking defense at the three, and we don't have a guy who can take over a game other than Bryant. Gasol, Odom and Bynum can't do that (Bynum may be able to later). Therefore, teams zero in on Kobe, play Gasol, and force Odom to beat us. He will do good, but he's not going to carry the load when the time is right.

[sega]

thats the point, we want teams to zero in on Kobe and force them to play good 1 on 1 defense like Celtics did.

[Real Deal]

thats the point, we want teams to zero in on Kobe and force them to play good 1 on 1 defense like Celtics did.

That's why we lost.

We aren't going to face a piss-poor defensive team in the NBA Finals. It's the East. The great defensive teams in the East are the Celtics, Pistons, Cavaliers...and those (along with the Heat, who had Posey and Zo) have been your East Finals reps for the last five seasons.

We have to beat teams with our defense, and Lamar has none. As much as we've hated them, we are only building a team similar to the Queens almost a decade ago...a 60-65 win season in the making, a few rounds into the playoffs, and then we start to struggle (but at least we got to the Finals).

Artest over Odom would be huge, and we would beat Boston in five.

[DBricks]

Also Lamar can work on his jumpshot, you cant teach ron artest to do any of the other things lamar brings, His so called jumpshot "deficiency" can be remedied easily. lamar is a good person on and off the court, ron artest is jsut too much of a gamble. I was all for ron opting out and signing with the lakers, but as you see hes not too bright lol.

"His jumpshot deficency can be remedied easily", ya, im sure it is realll easy to become a pure shooter from the outside, and im sure he hasnt even tried to improve his shot in his 9 year career. Lamar Odom is 29 years old and we all have to realize that he is who he is. If you are 29 in the game of basketball or life in general thats WHO you ARE, at that point there's a very unrealistic chance that you can do a complete turn around in life or your talent in the game of basketball. Lamar is who he is. A inconsistent, tall, versatile player, that cant shoot the outside shot, and is passive. Thats his label i'm sure we all can agree on that. And it will always be that way. And name one championship team that had a starting 3 guard that could not hit an outside shot?? CELTICS SF= Ray Allen, SPURS SF= Bruce Bowen PISTONS SF=Tayshaun Prince, BULLS = Scottie Pippen, LAKERS 3 peat = RICK FOX/ROBERT HORRY/GLEN RICE. You dont know your future inless you know your past.

I think we all know what needs to be done, but at the same time it could still work out. Just Ron Artest, or a better 3 guard, would make the Lakers life a lot eaiser and also give them a better shot at winning it all!

[sega]

don't get your hopes up on a trade guys. If we trade, i'm for it, but if we keep LO im still happy and very confident

[Sako32]

I know he's a versatile, valuable, talent but every season we say that next season is gonna be different with him, but nothing has changed. He's inconsistent, too slow for defense, gets too many offensive fouls, etc.

[mikedeezy2k8]

"His jumpshot deficency can be remedied easily", ya, im sure it is realll easy to become a pure shooter from the outside, and im sure he hasnt even tried to improve his shot in his 9 year career. Lamar Odom is 29 years old and we all have to realize that he is who he is. If you are 29 in the game of basketball or life in general thats WHO you ARE, at that point there's a very unrealistic chance that you can do a complete turn around in life or your talent in the game of basketball. Lamar is who he is. A inconsistent, tall, versatile player, that cant shoot the outside shot, and is passive. Thats his label i'm sure we all can agree on that. And it will always be that way. And name one championship team that had a starting 3 guard that could not hit an outside shot?? CELTICS SF= Ray Allen, SPURS SF= Bruce Bowen PISTONS SF=Tayshaun Prince, BULLS = Scottie Pippen, LAKERS 3 peat = RICK FOX/ROBERT HORRY/GLEN RICE. You dont know your future inless you know your past.

I think we all know what needs to be done, but at the same time it could still work out. Just Ron Artest, or a better 3 guard, would make the Lakers life a lot eaiser and also give them a better shot at winning it all!

now im not saying he can become a pure shooter, but with the options we have available. Lamars three point shooting is not that far off from who we can get. but you cant say that if lamar dedicated himself this summer to improving his shot that it cant be done. he doesnt need to be a beast form three, id rather him work on his mid range jumper.

[LakersAllDay]

I doubt the Lakers are going to trade Lamar but if the season isnt working out too well they would probably make a move.

IMO don't trade him. He's someone that understands the triangle offense really well and he has the potential to be an awesome all-round player. He just needs to work on his jumpers and be a little bit quicker on D. Artest can give the lakers better D and shooting but with the inside game, that one goes to Lamar. Size matters in this situation

[Moses]

As a person i love Lamar, i have so much respect for him, so much appreciation for his toughness over the years, i don't think there's a mentally tougher player out there who could come back after losing a son like that, so from that standpoint i want him to retire a Laker.

But u know it is a business too, and if opportunities to better us as a team come along, then whoever regardless could get traded, u know that's the way it has always been, nothing personal, it's just about winning a championship, and if our guys truly believe they can achieve that with Lamar then that's great, but if not, then u gotta do what u gotta do.

[MDI]

As a person i love Lamar, i have so much respect for him, so much appreciation for his toughness over the years, i don't think there's a mentally tougher player out there who could come back after losing a son like that, so from that standpoint i want him to retire a Laker.

But u know it is a business too, and if opportunities to better us as a team come along, then whoever regardless could get traded, u know that's the way it has always been, nothing personal, it's just about winning a championship, and if our guys truly believe they can achieve that with Lamar then that's great, but if not, then u gotta do what u gotta do.

I agree with you to a certain extent

But I feel like we shouldn't wait until February because it does take a while to learn the triangle and thats why Phil strongly discourages trading at mid season. Pau happened to be a huge huge exception last year

[angrypuppy]

I have mixed feelings on Lamar at the 3. I doubt he'll suddenly develop a reliable outside shot over the course of the summer, as I don't get the impression that Lamar has much of a work ethic, or the confidence.

I would like to see Lamar dealt... but each rumored candidate brings his own baggage and question marks.

[MDI]

I have mixed feelings on Lamar at the 3. I doubt he'll suddenly develop a reliable outside shot over the course of the summer, as I don't get the impression that Lamar has much of a work ethic, or the confidence.

I would like to see Lamar dealt... but each rumored candidate brings his own baggage and question marks.

Fully agree with you

This is like what his 10th year in the league? and he still has so many question marks over his game. I wanna give the benefit of the doubt and give LO one more chance but man I dunno

I like the Artest deal (not too sure if Maloofs are willing to deal him to us). Artest is insane but seriously is he any worse than Rodman, that Phil can't handle?

[FranklinPeanuts]

Keep LO. He will cause problems at the 3 spot. I just hope he works on that jumpshot this offseason.

[Aceis²FresH]

Keep LO. He will cause problems at the 3 spot. I just hope he works on that jumpshot this offseason.

your right about the problems part
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[mikedeezy2k8]

your right about the problems part
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lmao everyone just loves to hate on lamar.

[Black Sheep]

keep lamar
i actually think a lineup of Lamar/Pau/Bynum will work
yea lamar did not play well at the 3 when he did play there
but Pau/Bynum make the job easier for Lamar and I think he will flourish at the 3
if not trade him

[Aceis²FresH]

noones using odom as a scapegoat
but would the F.O. really trade Pau.
i mean he helped us catapult to elite status when AB went down.

We've been experimenting with L.O for four years goin on 5 soon.

Now we gotta re-experiment w/ dude at the 3 spot now..
I'm just tired of wasting kobe's prime with this.


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