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#121 ReaListik

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Posted November 17, 2008 - 01:00 PM

Lately? Almost every decision made since Shaq left has helped this team become great now. It might not have seemed like it at the time, but in retrospect, whether it be by luck or design, we have one of the most successful front offices of this decade. The whole "our front office sucks" idea was perpetuated by Kobe and his public trade demands. He really screwed things up for us (admitted himself that he was wrong for going about it the way he did), but luckily our front office stayed adamant and did their jobs.


I think the success of the Lakers' franchise recently combines elements from both parties. I have no idea what the front office would have done had Kobe not gone out and made the case for improvement. No player should play GM but the amount of frustration that Kobe had was enough to put him over the edge and publicly demand some help to get the team off of, in his words, "ground zero". No-one will know whether or not Mitch would've pulled the trigger for Pau once he was made available, but at the same time, I don't think the pressure Kobe put on him hurt, because at that point no-one knew if Kobe was really going to stick around or not. Mitch had the decision of either keeping Kobe happy by doing everything possible to surround him with complementary players that were not too young nor too old, or lose him where you're looking at a much worse situation where the rebuilding process would take an undefined number of years.

I don't know if the moves they made post-Shaq were really productive or counter-productive, but I will say that at the time Shaq was a necessary loss because without that trade, you wouldn't be rooting for the Lakers to get back to the Finals for the 2nd consecutive time this year. This team is a lot better of an atmosphere for Kobe, because he can relate to them on an even field, and they come across as a band of brothers. If Shaq were added to this team, I don't see Shaq putting up a fight or trying to tear the team down, but rather I'd see him helping Andrew Bynum and Gasol on different aspects of their game.

Sometimes time heals all, but sometimes time reveals all. In this case Shaq and Kobe have revealed a lot about who they both really are, and I'm damn proud of Kobe for how he's come up out of the Colorado scandal and is back on top with a chance for multiple championships for years to come. Shaq would be smart to try to reunite with the organization and city he has had the most success in. If he and the organization could let the past go and move forward, then that's fine, but if there's going to be issues from both sides, then life's too short and it's not worth gambling the success of a season.
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Posted November 17, 2008 - 01:05 PM

And they can't just wave a magic wand and rebuild immediately. 3 years of rebuilding (2 of which we made the playoffs) and going to the finals in their 4th. To put that in perspective, Warriors have made the playoffs only once in the past 17 years or something like that. That feat was just incredible. Other teams spend years just building a playoff contender and hope that it'll lead to something bigger, we were able to make it BACK to the finals in 4.

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Posted November 17, 2008 - 01:10 PM

^^
Agreed for the most part (Dont' know if Mitch would've pulled the trigger for Pau? Pau for Kwaaaamay Brown? There's nothing to think about. You do it.)

I'm not saying we should pursue Shaq or sign him at all costs. I'm arguing that if our personnel (front office, coaching staff, etc) can evaluate and find that Shaq will be helpful to this team, then we do it. MDI is arguing that there is absolutely no way we should sign him.

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Posted November 17, 2008 - 01:37 PM

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Agreed for the most part (Dont' know if Mitch would've pulled the trigger for Pau? Pau for Kwaaaamay Brown? There's nothing to think about. You do it.)

I'm not saying we should pursue Shaq or sign him at all costs. I'm arguing that if our personnel (front office, coaching staff, etc) can evaluate and find that Shaq will be helpful to this team, then we do it. MDI is arguing that there is absolutely no way we should sign him.


In other words, he is saying Shaq wouldn't help this team, which is ridiculous.
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Posted November 17, 2008 - 01:54 PM

In other words, he is saying Shaq wouldn't help this team, which is ridiculous.

Well no, I wouldn't put it that way. Shaq might be completely useless in 2 years. His prediction might be right. But it's just a prediction. That's it. No one knows how Shaq will be in 2 years (unless you come from the future, or you are psychic). What I think is ridiculous is that MDI thinks they should close the door on this option right now when he doesn't know how he'll be in 2 years. His health, his ego, his possible impact on this team, you can't make those judgment calls now. That is what is ridiculous.

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Posted November 17, 2008 - 02:09 PM

I suppose. Any NBA player would dream to be as good as Shaq is at 36.
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Posted November 17, 2008 - 04:11 PM

i would love him back as long as theirs no chemistry issues.

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Posted November 17, 2008 - 05:04 PM

as Daco was saying people have no clue how long rebuilding is supposed to take chicago has done nothing in 10 years, the celtics in 22 years before last year mitch managed to build the most talented basketball team in the NBA in just 4 years

if you ask me mitch should have a freakin banner if we win a title or two with this team considering our starting line-ups evolved like this after the shaq era

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Posted November 17, 2008 - 05:34 PM

shaq can help this year, in 2010 i dunno.
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Posted November 17, 2008 - 06:37 PM

ive forgiven shaq for the past, so i dont care about the past issues (and i used to hate shaq after he left) if he can play, then sign him, but the question is signing him 2 years from now, will he be good still? i dont know, if it were right now, i would cuz shaq is ballin as a starter, he would get much more rest as a backup if he were here, but it all depends on if he can get his head straight and be okay as a backup
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Posted November 17, 2008 - 09:46 PM

share the spotlight? Shaq is irrelevant...other than his big mouth nothing would bring the spotlight on him.

if 16 pionts, 9 rebounds, 1 blk in 26 minutes per game is irrelevant, I highly believe that you are insecure about Kobe's spotlight.
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Posted November 17, 2008 - 10:29 PM

if 16 pionts, 9 rebounds, 1 blk in 26 minutes per game is irrelevant, I highly believe that you are insecure about Kobe's spotlight.

Lets' get real... he will not average like that as a backup C... plus the 2nd unit likes to run and gun, I don't know if Shaq would fit... I think he could start though...

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Posted November 18, 2008 - 12:01 AM

This is the last time I'm going to address this in this forum.

SHAQ IS NEVER COMING BACK TO THE LAKERS.

Reasons:

1) The way Shaq left the Lakers left Jerry Bus furious, Shaq has lost respect from Bus that will never be regained
2) Shaq already said he wants to end his career within 1-2 seasons and he's already setting up his post-basketball life after his NBA career is over
3) WE DONT NEED HIM. If he DOES come to play for us, which I doubt, he's going to ask for a substantial amount of money.
4) You guys need to realize that he WILL NOT PLAY HERE FOR THE MINIMUM, MLE, OR ANY LOW-PAID TYPE OF CONTRACT. Shaq has been getting paid around $20m his whole career and he has enough money to do whatever he wants after his NBa career is over. I'm sure as hell he would not play here just for the hell of it and take a veterans minimum.

FACE IT, Shaq is NOT coming back to L.A., as much as I like him.

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Posted November 18, 2008 - 12:07 AM

if 16 pionts, 9 rebounds, 1 blk in 26 minutes per game is irrelevant, I highly believe that you are insecure about Kobe's spotlight.


what?

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Posted November 18, 2008 - 12:16 AM

what?


basically people still think shaq is end all be all when it comes to titles

look i would welcome shaq back but the truth of the matter is its not happening

this is just shaq wanting his jersey in some teams rafters since as of right now hes left every team hes been with on bad terms and hes probably nervous about having his jersey retired

not to mention some of the blame and negative media if not most of it has been shifting from kobe to him in the past couple years and i think hes trying to divert it somewhere else hence out of nowhere blaming phil for the entire feud
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Posted November 18, 2008 - 12:35 AM

This is the last time I'm going to address this in this forum.

SHAQ IS NEVER COMING BACK TO THE LAKERS.

Reasons:

1) The way Shaq left the Lakers left Jerry Bus furious, Shaq has lost respect from Bus that will never be regained
2) Shaq already said he wants to end his career within 1-2 seasons and he's already setting up his post-basketball life after his NBA career is over
3) WE DONT NEED HIM. If he DOES come to play for us, which I doubt, he's going to ask for a substantial amount of money.
4) You guys need to realize that he WILL NOT PLAY HERE FOR THE MINIMUM, MLE, OR ANY LOW-PAID TYPE OF CONTRACT. Shaq has been getting paid around $20m his whole career and he has enough money to do whatever he wants after his NBa career is over. I'm sure as hell he would not play here just for the hell of it and take a veterans minimum.

FACE IT, Shaq is NOT coming back to L.A., as much as I like him.

1) People thought Kobe caused irreparable damage with Buss. People grow, they change, and they forget about crap over time. Shaq said himself he isn't ruling out a return to the Lakers. Buss traded him for his contract. If he comes for cheap, there shouldn't be a problem.
2) Again Shaq said himself he's not ruling out a return.
3) You don't know if we won't need him because you don't know the make up of this team in two years. Trades, free agents, draft picks...Anything can happen in two years.
4) The only reason Shaq will want to play another season would be to win another championship. There's no championship caliber team that will pay him a "high-paid type of contract". He will have to settle for less if he wants to win.

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Posted November 18, 2008 - 12:40 AM

basically people still think shaq is end all be all when it comes to titles

look i would welcome shaq back but the truth of the matter is its not happening

this is just shaq wanting his jersey in some teams rafters since as of right now hes left every team hes been with on bad terms and hes probably nervous about having his jersey retired

not to mention some of the blame and negative media if not most of it has been shifting from kobe to him in the past couple years and i think hes trying to divert it somewhere else hence out of nowhere blaming phil for the entire feud

No, no one still thinks that. What I think is if Shaq is still a serviceable player in two years, then it would be a good pick up.

And he didn't blame Phil for the feud. the feud was always going to be there with two players of their caliber and ego playing together. Shaq was impressed with Phil using that feud for the team's advantage.

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Posted November 18, 2008 - 08:15 AM

Lets' get real... he will not average like that as a backup C... plus the 2nd unit likes to run and gun, I don't know if Shaq would fit... I think he could start though...


26 MINUTES PER GAME. As a backup C, he'd easily get 18-20 minutes per game. Especially since Phil loves to limit Bynum's minutes.
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Posted November 18, 2008 - 08:16 AM

what?


My posts have REALITY in them. Not some personal vendetta against certain players because they disagreed with my favorite.

Shaq has always been one of my favorites. Yet even I admit that we need a center who could spread the floor more than Shaq. But if Shaq is the best we can do, that's pretty damn good.
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Posted November 18, 2008 - 12:00 PM

the lakers SHOULD sign snaq









then turn around and send him to Oklahoma City for a draft pick





then we can all laugh :rock:
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