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#21 UKUGA

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Posted November 13, 2008 - 07:48 AM

What cracks me up is fans trying to find an excuse to not get excited about this team.

"They haven't played a strong team yet."

"They haven't played a long road trip yet."

"They haven't faced adversity yet."

The list just keeps growing while the Lakers have so far passed every "test" they've supposedly been given. At some point people are going to have to face facts that this team is dang good.

The fact is that every team they play will step their game up several notches. No matter what the team, the Lakers will be facing their full effort night in and night out.

It's O.K. to accept the fact that this team is kicking butt right now.

It's O.K. to be an excited / positive fan.

Trust me, you'll have more fun with the game of basketball in general when you are.



All I'm really doing Fido is pointing out who the best teams are. We were 0-4 against the Celtics and Cavs last year. We are likely to play one of those 2 teams in the Finals.

We want a championship, right? I want that much more than I want to win 73 games.

I think it's likely we'll get there. However, I do think there are folks that felt going into New Orleans, that Wednesday night would be "the night" that we showed we were the West's best team.

Personally, I didn't think Wednesday would prove that, win or lose.

We are dominating. We could've lost last night, second game of a back to back, and I would've still felt confident about our chances to win the West.

Nonetheless, I want to see us against the best competition, and against the teams we have really struggled with in the past.

This season is championship, or bust. No matter what we do between now and June, it will all seem hollow if we fall in the play-offs. Last year, Boston completely punked us, both in the regular season, and in the Finals. Yes, we didn't have Andrew in the Finals; but, Andrew was shoved around by Boston in the regular season, and was one of the big reasons we got killed by them both times we played.

I feel like the Andrew-Pau combo, combined with Ariza's athleticism and toughness, will be enough to put us over the top against both Boston and Cleveland. However, I'd like to actually see us go out and beat those teams before I put the trophy in the refrigerator.

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Posted November 13, 2008 - 10:40 AM

Fair enough.

That's what you should have posted in the beginning.

#23 UKUGA

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Posted November 15, 2008 - 08:10 AM

Add Detroit to the list.


And, not just because we lost to them. But also because they have the best record in the NBA against us the last 5+ years.

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Posted November 26, 2008 - 02:06 PM

Whipping the Hornets is nice; but to be fair, they only won a single play-off series last year, and we beat the team that they lost to, in 5 games.

Yes, the Hornet are good, but right at the moment, they are still working through some things. Just 7 days ago, the Hawks beat them on this very same court.



From Bill Simmons today . . .

"Only the Hornets seem to be going the wrong way. A popular preseason pick that struggled early because, as the theory goes, it's easy to jump Point A to Point B and harder to go from Point B to Point C, everyone keeps waiting for the Hornets to turn things around. Including me.

"After sitting a few rows behind their bench for Monday's game against the Clippers, I realized the Hornets' problems went deeper. You can tell from the stands when teams are happy and everyone is on the same page. For instance, I watched the Spurs beat the Clippers without Manu and Parker-Longoria; as long as Duncan and Popovich are around, and as long as they keep building around character guys, things can't splinter for them. That Pop-Duncan foundation is just too strong. You could see it during every timeout huddle, you could see it with how they interacted and supported each other, and you could see it with the way they carried themselves. When Roger Mason drained the game-winning 3-pointer, there was no chest-pounding or pointing to God, just a quiet fist pump and a leisurely walk back to the huddle. It's a professional team in every sense.


"The Hornets gave me a different vibe. They seemed a little detached, surprising since they have so many character guys on the team: Chris Paul, Tyson Chandler, David West, James Posey. Really, their only chemistry wild card is Mike James and he barely plays. I mistakenly believed it would be one of those lovefest teams that players josh around during the shootarounds before each half and hug each other too much. Nope. Midway through the second quarter, I asked my friend Tollin, "Are we sure the Hornets like their coach?" After all, the Nets practically revolted against Byron Scott four years ago. So there is a precedent.

"We studied the Hornets for the next hour like marriage counselors. The good news is that, when you attend Clippers games, you inadvertently earn a Ph.D. in "How To Tell When a Team Despises Their Coach." Even the football team in "Varsity Blues" liked Bud Kilmer more than the Clippers like Mike Dunleavy. If he doesn't get fired soon, I would put 10-to-1 odds on a timeout huddle this year when everyone slowly closes in around him, we won't be able to tell what happened for about 30 seconds, and then they'll back away to reveal the coach in a bloodied, unconscious lump.

"Anyway, that Ph.D. comes down to paying attention to the little things. The way players walk toward the bench after a timeout. (Goes one of three ways: "I'm interested to hear coach's thoughts," "I look forward to sitting down" or "Great, I get to listen to this bonehead again.") How fast someone jumps up when the coach calls for them as a sub. (If they jump up fast, that means they're totally in the game; if they jump up slow, that means they were either daydreaming about that night's sexual conquest or imagining he's punching the coach in the face.) Whether they listen or don't listen in the huddle. The body language of the coach himself. And the telltale sign ... what happens when a top player gets called over by coach when someone is shooting free throws.

"This can unfold one of three ways:

"A. Player runs over respectfully and seems genuinely interested in the coach's wisdom. Watch what happens when Popovich calls over Duncan or Parker in a Spurs game. Total respect. They look like someone jogging over to a police officer.

"B. Player jogs over, doesn't seem totally interested, but doesn't want to seem like a jerk either. This usually sums up 75 percent of the league.

"C. Player does a double-take and his head kicks back briefly (like he's thinking, "Really, I have to talk to this guy again???"). He saunters over disdainfully. When he reaches the coach, he makes eye contact for the first two seconds, then starts subconsciously pulling away (first with his eyes, then with his body leaning back toward the coach), and at about the six-second mark, he just starts walking back toward the court whether the coach is finished talking or not. Everything about the exchange says, "I've just had it with this freaking guy."

"I mistakenly believed that Chris Paul and Scott had an "A" relationship but in the second half of Monday's game, it was revealed that they were a "C." At least right now. Translation: I am no longer sold on the 2009 Hornets."


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Posted December 20, 2008 - 07:03 PM

What cracks me up is fans trying to find an excuse to not get excited about this team.

"They haven't played a strong team yet."

"They haven't played a long road trip yet."

"They haven't faced adversity yet."

The list just keeps growing while the Lakers have so far passed every "test" they've supposedly been given. At some point people are going to have to face facts that this team is dang good.

The fact is that every team they play will step their game up several notches. No matter what the team, the Lakers will be facing their full effort night in and night out.

It's O.K. to accept the fact that this team is kicking butt right now.

It's O.K. to be an excited / positive fan.

Trust me, you'll have more fun with the game of basketball in general when you are.



I don't think we're passing all the tests anymore.

The trend line is negative.

To be a championship team, at a minimum, we should've split the last two games.

Two nights in a row, having the league's MVP miss the potential game-tying shot at the buzzer, is not a positive.

Many factors go into these losses, and injuries/illness is a consideration. But, we've gotta do something about our weak-minded and weak-bodied players that shrink in key situations.

We're gonna go reeling into Chrismas Day.

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Posted December 20, 2008 - 08:14 PM

I'm with UKUGA on this one (as usual).


We have too much talent to have gone 7-4 in our last 11. That, after starting 14-1.


And where did it start? Long before we were 14-1.


Being positive is not the same thing as ignoring reality. I want the Lakers to win. We could have stepped up like BOS or shrunk. We weren't playing well enough to do the former. No amount of optimism was going to change that.

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Posted December 21, 2008 - 04:01 AM

Man, I wonder what happened.

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Posted December 21, 2008 - 11:23 AM

Man, I wonder what happened.



Nothing.


It was happening WAY before they started losing. It was a terrible trend that didn't translate to team execution or cohesiveness or progression. If you just looked at the W-L record (which you assuredly did), you would have thought that they were progressing nicely and that we shouldn't be quick to over-analyze the little things. And you were wrong (sorry to pick on you...it's a general "you", not you specifically).

Anyone who is shocked here should go back about 15 games and check out the threads I made about Kobe not playing well and how it was not what the team needed this year.

Lo and behold, we collapse.


1 + 1 = ???

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Posted December 21, 2008 - 12:16 PM

"collasped"...i believe thats to far...slippage is more appropriate IMO...but anyway we lost on thee road, too a decent team and a very good team...Woe is us...not all cry and hold our heads down...KObe and Phil actually looked happy after the losses, now they can WHIP the team into shape, and thats a good thing, at this point in the season
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Posted December 21, 2008 - 04:13 PM

Nothing.


It was happening WAY before they started losing. It was a terrible trend that didn't translate to team execution or cohesiveness or progression. If you just looked at the W-L record (which you assuredly did), you would have thought that they were progressing nicely and that we shouldn't be quick to over-analyze the little things. And you were wrong (sorry to pick on you...it's a general "you", not you specifically).

Anyone who is shocked here should go back about 15 games and check out the threads I made about Kobe not playing well and how it was not what the team needed this year.

Lo and behold, we collapse.


1 + 1 = ???

Yeh I was thinking about that too. I mean like, didn't it seem like we were playing before like earlier in the season or even towards the end of last season (after Pau Gasol trade)? Or maybe it's just me. :dance1:

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