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#61 kidpolean

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Posted July 14, 2014 - 12:18 PM

Kobe's contract wasn't the problem at all. So many people on here just like to criticize everything. You should never criticize a situation If you don't have a realistic alterative, and nobody has given one. If Kobe took 10 mil less a year than we still couldn't sign two stars. We offered Melo as much as we possibly could regardless of Kobe's contract, so it didnt affect that. What exactly did Kobe's contract do? Stop us from getting one quality starter? Seriously thats all it did.

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Posted July 14, 2014 - 12:23 PM

As well have to admit many FA's don't want to play with Kobe, respecting him doesn't equate to wanting the guy as your main teammate or being under his shadow, especially if you're already used to being 'the guy'.


Edited by Ven, July 14, 2014 - 12:23 PM.


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Posted July 14, 2014 - 12:23 PM

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Posted July 14, 2014 - 12:23 PM

Kobe's contract wasn't the problem at all. So many people on here just like to criticize everything. You should never criticize a situation If you don't have a realistic alterative, and nobody has given one. If Kobe took 10 mil less a year than we still couldn't sign two stars. We offered Melo as much as we possibly could regardless of Kobe's contract, so it didnt affect that. What exactly did Kobe's contract do? Stop us from getting one quality starter? Seriously thats all it did.

 

You think if Kobe took 10 million less that wouldn't help the situation?  That is pure fantasy.



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Posted July 14, 2014 - 12:27 PM


You think if Kobe took 10 million less that wouldn't help the situation? That is pure fantasy.

once again...give a realistic alternative. Define help the situation...do you mean get Melo? No 10 mil wouldn't have made a difference...Do you mean getting Lebron because once again the answer is no. 10 mil in our current situation does nothing. Look at our roster, hell look at players in the league that are getting 10 mil a year and tell me which one of them, not on a rookie deal or about to retire, would turn this team around. The problem was our terrible roster and lack of draft picks, plus no coach going into free agency.

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Posted July 14, 2014 - 12:30 PM

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And Kobe himself said that he knows how hard Mitch and Buss have been working at it, and that even if they didn't land Carmelo or LeBron he'd be more than fine because he knows how hard they've worked and what they've put in and that's all he could ask for.    While people on the internet's only contribution to the cause is posting in a thread but they feel entitled to talk about how hard the Buss fam and Mitch are working. 

So don't expect another Kobe tirade you can make a 20 page thread about challenging the Buss's :)   


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Posted July 14, 2014 - 12:31 PM

I think it's dumb when people talk about Kobe's contract limiting what the Lakers could do this free agency.

Melo wasn't coming, Lebron wasn't coming, Pau wasn't coming back unless one of the people that were not coming, came. none of the top players were coming to LA. they all took max contracts to stay where they were at, except for Lebron who took max to go home.

Am I disappointed in what the Lakers plan D was? definitely, but putting it on Kobe's extension is dumb.


I agree... Very very true.. ^^^ besides carmelo & lebron.. Who would you go all out as far as spending every penny you have to get them to play here?

Deng? Bosh? Ariza? Parsons? Those guys wont come here for a 2yr contract. They want a big deal and if we give them that. We are gonna be stuck with a huge contract with no championship.

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Posted July 14, 2014 - 12:32 PM

I agree... Very very true.. ^^^ besides carmelo & lebron.. Who would you go all out as far as spending every penny you have to get them to play here?

Deng? Bosh? Ariza? Parsons? Those guys wont come here for a 2yr contract. They want a big deal and if we give them that. We are gonna be stuck with a huge contract with no championship.

 

shh don't use logic. 


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Posted July 14, 2014 - 12:35 PM

I agree... Very very true.. ^^^ besides carmelo & lebron.. Who would you go all out as far as spending every penny you have to get them to play here?

Deng? Bosh? Ariza? Parsons? Those guys wont come here for a 2yr contract. They want a big deal and if we give them that. We are gonna be stuck with a huge contract with no championship.

 

You're already stuck with a huge contract.


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Posted July 14, 2014 - 12:43 PM

The drivel of the FO apologists just amazes me.

 

Lakers went into FA with hands tied thanks to the contract - period. Enough of this already. Welcome to another sub 35 win season



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Posted July 14, 2014 - 12:45 PM



And Kobe himself said that he knows how hard Mitch and Buss have been working at it, and that even if they didn't land Carmelo or LeBron he'd be more than fine because he knows how hard they've worked and what they've put in and that's all he could ask for.    While people on the internet's only contribution to the cause is posting in a thread but they feel entitled to talk about how hard the Buss fam and Mitch are working. 

So don't expect another Kobe tirade you can make a 20 page thread about challenging the Buss's :)   

 

Lol come on now I know you're optimistic but you can't possibly defend the Lakers this summer. Even pro-Laker reporters have come out and said they failed miserably. And there's still no coach.



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Posted July 14, 2014 - 12:48 PM

Kobe didn't lose. He is getting paid, and gets to finish his career as a Laker.

does getting paid and finishing your career a laker = a championship ?



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Posted July 14, 2014 - 12:54 PM

I don't think people realize how much D'Antoni contributed to the wins last year. He is one of the bigger reasons we sucked last year but his offense is what allowed us to beat teams like Houston, OKC and San Antonio. If we hire Scott, I honestly see us being worse than last year. We weren't even the worse defensive team last year



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Posted July 14, 2014 - 12:59 PM

You're already stuck with a huge contract.


Carmelo is getting paid more than Kobe is on the Knicks max deal and he's the 5th best small forward in the league behind LeBron, Durant, George and (potentially) Leonard apparently =P   Kobe was pretty much still the best shooting guard in the league and a top 3 player before the injury. Sans the injury we've yet to see what he can do when fully healthy.  So we'll see this year if he plays up to it.

If he does I look forward to refreshing threads like this. 


Understand this Chad.   Tim Duncan and Dirk Nowitzki only took paycuts when their career was at the tail end and they were no longer top 10 players in the league anymore.  Kobe for all intents and purposes was the 3rd best at the very least if you put Durant and LeBron ahead of him. 

We'll see next year if Kobe still has it. For all intents and purposes he should, and it is our duty of putting people around him that takes the pressure off of him a bit. 

Lin does that because he can get his own shot, can pass and can finish inside and play the point competently and score. 

We have Nick Young coming off the bench whom has shown the capability to be a scorer off the bench and be the bench leading scorer and that is going to help keep Kobe on the bench for longer periods of time which will help save Kobe's legs a bit. 
 

On top of that we brought in our best interior defender and rebounder from last year in Jordan Hill, like it or not, and we get to pair him with another grit and hard worker in Julius Randle and are expecting them to help us from the second chance point of view.  Hustle won't be an issue with those two. 


Our starting 3 has yet to be resolved, but IF it's Xavier Henry, the kid is basically a fearless tank who will work hard on the defensive end and gives 100% effort every night, has more guts than brains sometimes but that's not a particularly bad thing.   

And as I already said, Lin at the 1. 

So basically what you've surrounded Kobe with is young talent that will take care of the hustle aspect as well as the hard work blue collar aspect of it and Kobe isn't gonna have to worry about them NOT giving an effort and would keep a winning attitude which is very important right now.  

 


With the bench you'll likely have Kendall Marshall who can move the ball around as we already know, you'll have Jordan Clarkson whom is our rookie combo guard who will be looked at to score and create from time to time, at the three you'll have Nick Young, at the 4 Ryan Kelly and at the 5 Sacre(or Thompkins but that's my wishful thinking).   But Marshall is capable enough as the 1 to get everyone involved to keep the bench offense from being stagnant.  

But all and all that's a fine bench and retained our strongest pieces there with the exception of Bazemore.  


Kobe is actually coming back to a stronger team than he had last year both from an effort standpoint and a youth standpoint.  They don't have to be contenders right away but they need to continue to get better and that's the most important thing right now. 


Our roster isn't one Kobe will have to play 40 minutes a night to keep afloat because of the bench he has and he won't have to worry about the effort or the "old" aspect as our starting lineup sans him is an average age of 23.2  and our bench age averages at 24.1 

So Kobe is surrounded by a young team for all intents and purposes, they are no longer old as [expletive] as he called it.  He's the oldest guy on the team and the oldest next to him is Nick Young who is 29.  If you want to include Nash he'd be the oldest at 39 but he isn't going to play much if at all. 


The Lakers plan right now is to create a young team and have Kobe as the veteran, and see what they can do with it and what additional pieces they can add to them.  They also save enough cap space from off-season to off-season to make a run at a big time talent if they needed to, and still have enough to re-sign the guys that panned out in the previous year just in case they don't land anyone.   


The Lakers are actually building the right way currently considering the free agency class in 2014, and now in 2015.  It gives them a chance to sign these guys in the free agency class.  I'd much rather keep the stronger pieces from last year while still keeping the flexibility to go after a Rondo, or a Deandre Jordan or a Marc Gasol in 2015 than waste all we had in 2014 on extremely long term contracts that takes us out of the free agency hunt till 2017.   When you're a contending team you can do those kinds of things cause you aren't looking at a rebuild for a while in your mind.  The Lakers are not in that position so they shouldn't act like it.  And they aren't.  


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Posted July 14, 2014 - 01:07 PM

Sigh



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Posted July 14, 2014 - 01:09 PM

I'd have to say that's BS.  Let LA get halfway through the year battling for a playoff spot he will pop his ass up again. 

 



And Kobe himself said that he knows how hard Mitch and Buss have been working at it, and that even if they didn't land Carmelo or LeBron he'd be more than fine because he knows how hard they've worked and what they've put in and that's all he could ask for.    While people on the internet's only contribution to the cause is posting in a thread but they feel entitled to talk about how hard the Buss fam and Mitch are working. 

So don't expect another Kobe tirade you can make a 20 page thread about challenging the Buss's :)   


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Posted July 14, 2014 - 01:11 PM

Kobe's contract wasn't the problem at all. So many people on here just like to criticize everything. You should never criticize a situation If you don't have a realistic alterative, and nobody has given one. If Kobe took 10 mil less a year than we still couldn't sign two stars. We offered Melo as much as we possibly could regardless of Kobe's contract, so it didnt affect that. What exactly did Kobe's contract do? Stop us from getting one quality starter? Seriously thats all it did.

 

 

I agree... Very very true.. ^^^ besides carmelo & lebron.. Who would you go all out as far as spending every penny you have to get them to play here?

Deng? Bosh? Ariza? Parsons? Those guys wont come here for a 2yr contract. They want a big deal and if we give them that. We are gonna be stuck with a huge contract with no championship.

 

Why do the FO defenders assume that it had to be Lebron & Melo or nothing? If Kobe takes $10M less, then Lakers start free agency with close to $40M in cap space. Isaiah Thomas, Ariza and Lance (probably under $9M) total would have been $24M. They would still be able to pull the Jeremy Lin deal plus re-sign Jordan Hill plus leave enough left over to add couple cheap bench vets like Okafor.

In 2015, Jordan Hill (team option), Lin, Nash, Marshall expring plus a cap increase next year give you something like $28-30M in space to add another couple big names to that core group (M. Gasol, Aldridge, or Love) Plus now you have some chips to bargain with instead of just cap space and a dream.

That's a better core lineup now, and still have cap flexibility to take it the next level next summer.  And it didn't require a miracle...just a plan.

 

The alternative is they will be just good enough to avoid a top 5 pick and they'll be back to begging a top player to come play with absolutely nobody again next year. And fail at it.



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Posted July 14, 2014 - 01:12 PM

Kobe having a bigger deal contributes to loss opportunity cost.  If Kobe took less maybe they can sign Melo, quality player AND a decent bench.  Saying Kobe having a huge deal doesn't effect the offseason but saying Nash's 9.7M does is hypocracy.  Kobe at a modest 15M would have opened LA up to a different market.  Too many guys are focused on Melo and Lebron when you could be looking at stealing another draft pick with that cap space. 


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Posted July 14, 2014 - 01:36 PM

Again, blame the FO for the deal. 

 

Btw, melo wanted to be a knick, and lebron wanted to be a cav. Bosh wanted to be in the heat.

 

There was no one besides lance and Isaiah that we had a real chance at getting.  


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Posted July 14, 2014 - 01:38 PM

Again, blame the FO for the deal. 

 

Btw, melo wanted to be a knick, and lebron wanted to be a cav. Bosh wanted to be in the heat.

 

There was no one besides lance and Isaiah that we had a real chance at getting.  


Yes and the Lakers didn't want to commit 7 million over 4 years to Isaiah.  Just how it is. 

But yes

our biggest chances were/are

Lance

Ariza

Isaiah

 


If we'd signed Ariza to a 4 year 32 million dollar contract(as in 8 million a year) this forum would have imploded =P 


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