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#221 Majesty

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Posted November 23, 2014 - 02:28 PM

When you watch those games and actually see the defense they play?  It ain't a good league for 'growth' I'll say that much and they're encouraged not to play defense.   

I'll make a longer post about it later. 


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Posted November 23, 2014 - 04:21 PM

I'll make a longer post about it later. 

 

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Posted November 23, 2014 - 04:52 PM

Those who think that the league is harder because of the american professional basketball players in it, should take a look at this 

 

Here's a list of imported players 32 years old and under with NBA level experience who are currently in the Chinese Basketball Association on opposing teams to Mudiay: 

Hamed Haddadi 
Ike Diogu 
Byron Mullens 
Michael Beasley 
Andray Blatche 
Bobby Brown 
Jordan Crawford 
Quincy Douby 
Toney Douglas 
Jamaal Franklin 
Donte Greene 
Josh Harrelson 
Lester Hudson 
Pooh Jeter 
Dominique Jones 
Solomon Jones 
Acie Law 
Daniel Orton 
Chris Singleton 
Jeremy Tyler 
Von Wafer 
Hakim Warrick 
Willie Warren 
Delonte West 
Shelden Williams 



World beaters....  Anyway, it's not even as one sides as you may think on a professional to local limit.   Once more

 

Teams are allowed up to 2 foreign-born players on the roster, or 3 if they finished with a bottom-5 record last season. The only exception to this rule is the Bayi Rockets team, who are affiliated with the Chinese military and do not have any foreign players. Rare, though, is the team that does not rely on American players as their #1 option on offense 
This is covered more here: http://www.sheridanh...kFRR7HTF57KT.99


In addition to that, consider the rule that the foreign players(ie the roster I gave you above) on a roster cannot play more than 6 combined quarters in a given game.  That means on each side.   That's quite.....a rule isn't it..no foreign players "combined" can play more than 6 combined quarters in a game?   (also covered in the above)  sort of pulls back the curtain a bit doesn't it. 

 

So, basically, Mudiay cannot play against consistent, borderline NBA talent. And if he can, it's only two players.

via Mike@LG

 

And back to what I said about the "E-fense" of that league 

 

Scorers’ league 

To say that the CBA is a score-first, defense-second league would be an understatement. Owners, fans and coaches value one thing from American players – the ability to put the ball in the basket. In a freewheeling league that aims to please and puts minimal emphasis on defense, you’ll often see 1-on-5 or 2-on-5 play. As a result, many American players have been able to carve out strong identities in China as the go-to guys on their team. 


More covered here as per usual: http://www.sheridanh...kFRR7HTF57KT.99


 


So when I say I've seen better defense in high school(and am not the only one that thinks that) when I watch those games you'd understand why and you also see why I doubt that Mudiay is actually going to "grow" in that league.  It basically encourages the same things he did in high school without asking him to change up anything.  If he waltzes into the NBA with this attitude after a year of basically that he's going to get an extremely rude awakening when teams don't let him go 2 on 5.   

There a reason why busts or guys that flamed out in the NBA can go over there and become go-to guys and why people that averaged 4 points in their NBA career can go there and average 20 a game. 

Mudiay would have played against a better challenge at SMU.   But he got paid so can't be mad at him. But I'm not fooling myself into thinking he's actually playing against better defense in the CBA.  

he can pretty much do everything he got away with in high school in the CBA and won't pay for it. That's why I said I worry he's not gonna have any growth.  


Anyway I recommend reading the links, it's very worth it. 

 

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Posted November 23, 2014 - 05:32 PM

You said all that to simply agree with me.  Former NBA talent or end of the bench guys that are grown men > NCAA talent.  Newflash! The college game is totally different from the NBA especially the physicality. 

 

Those who think that the league is harder because of the american professional basketball players in it, should take a look at this 

 



World beaters....  Anyway, it's not even as one sides as you may think on a professional to local limit.   Once more

 


In addition to that, consider the rule that the foreign players(ie the roster I gave you above) on a roster cannot play more than 6 combined quarters in a given game.  That means on each side.   That's quite.....a rule isn't it..no foreign players "combined" can play more than 6 combined quarters in a game?   (also covered in the above)  sort of pulls back the curtain a bit doesn't it. 

 

 

And back to what I said about the "E-fense" of that league 

 


 


So when I say I've seen better defense in high school(and am not the only one that thinks that) when I watch those games you'd understand why and you also see why I doubt that Mudiay is actually going to "grow" in that league.  It basically encourages the same things he did in high school without asking him to change up anything.  If he waltzes into the NBA with this attitude after a year of basically that he's going to get an extremely rude awakening when teams don't let him go 2 on 5.   

There a reason why busts or guys that flamed out in the NBA can go over there and become go-to guys and why people that averaged 4 points in their NBA career can go there and average 20 a game. 

Mudiay would have played against a better challenge at SMU.   But he got paid so can't be mad at him. But I'm not fooling myself into thinking he's actually playing against better defense in the CBA.  

he can pretty much do everything he got away with in high school in the CBA and won't pay for it. That's why I said I worry he's not gonna have any growth.  


Anyway I recommend reading the links, it's very worth it. 

 

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Posted November 23, 2014 - 05:32 PM

Put it this way.  A D League team would run most of college's best out of town


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Posted November 25, 2014 - 09:23 PM

Don't know why Myles Turner is being overlooked. Dude is something serious. Wasn't the number 2 recruit in his class for nothing


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Posted November 25, 2014 - 10:56 PM

So you don't wonder why I'd want Justise Winslow as the piece next to Randle if it came down to us having a top 5 pick. 

 

 



At the wing atm Stanley Johnson is a close second. 


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Posted November 25, 2014 - 11:05 PM

Winslow is moving up on most mocks, but Towns and Okafor are still #1 and #2 in some order.

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Posted November 25, 2014 - 11:12 PM

Winslow is moving up on most mocks, but Towns and Okafor are still #1 and #2 in some order.

^ awesome block though.


yeah, I'm waiting for Stanley Johnson to really find himself offensively and part of me wonders if Arizona's style is part of the reason. Though his offense was a weakness back in high school too but he could just bully people.  Not Julius Randle 33/27  Bullying  but bullying nonetheless.  He finally had a solid game though

 



Stanley imo will stay where he's at unless he really shows himself offensively capable, otherwise he is in the realm of what Aaron Gordon is, coming into the league as a defensive specialist who is counted on to add offense later.    

If Stanley Johnson could develop a reliable jumper like Winslow "seems" to have adapted, then I think he'd go over WInslow easily.  But at the moment(still VERY early) Winslow would be my pick.  But I like what I saw from Johnson, and hope he builds on it.  

When I think about the draft and if we played as hard as we could this year and got a top 5 pick I try to think of the person I would most likely stick beside Randle. 


Randle has defensive potential but it's going to be a work in progress, this is a known.   Thus what the Lakers either need would be a defensive 3 that can stretch the floor and a defensive center whom is also a rim protector. 

Part of me hopes WCS would fall in the draft so the Lakers could land him with the Houston pick, but outside of another injury(which I don't want to happen to him) I don't want to see it happening. 

Okafor is a great post player, but defensively at the next level I think he'd be lacking, almost in the Al Jefferson way. 

Karl Towns has a good defensive upside but he's so raw it's a question of how long it would take him to come around.  It could also be a product of Kentucky's style like what Cal did with Randle where he pretty much handcuffed his game to the post.  It worked though. 

So we'll see what Towns can do in say a few weeks from now.  But I think Okafor atm we already have a pretty good idea who he's going to be.  Only thing he can really do now as opposed to getting into NBA shape is how far he can stretch the floor with his jumper.  He's got the post game down pact.  It's the defense I worry about.


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Posted November 25, 2014 - 11:30 PM

Check out Towns' line last night. He's improving every game on both ends of the floor. Already better shotblocker than WCS.

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Posted November 25, 2014 - 11:35 PM

Honestly this is one of those drafts where you have to wait until the end of the season to really know who's worth taking.

Okafor is #1 right now because he's safe

Towns, oubre, Johnson all are developmental and will be determined by their growth

Never seen turner but he's the #2 recruit so he's probably talented

Winslow has looked pretty good, seen him twice now and liked him

Mudiay is another potential guy.

The positive is okafor, towns, turner, oubre, Johnson, and Winslow are all in college and will all probably be in the tournament so there should be a clear choice for us if in that position
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Posted November 25, 2014 - 11:39 PM

This is the perfect draft for us to get a top 5 pick. It's very top heavy with wings and bigs which are essentially what we are missing

Guard is fine. We can sign rondo, Jackson, knight etc there are options at guard
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Posted November 26, 2014 - 04:08 AM

Not sold on Oubre just yet. If the Lakers get a tips 5 pick. They have to look at Okafor, Towns, Johnson or Winslow... That 5th, you just have to wait until March Madness to see who got the stones to step up
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Posted November 26, 2014 - 05:24 AM

Ehh fans put more stock in March Madness than scouts and GMs do.  It's like a job using a final exam in college to determine your overall skillset from now going forward.  It's great if you do well but it's not going to tell the story.  GMs and scouts look at traits and potential not stats and did he have a great game in the Final Four. 

 

Im not sure whether Oubre > Winslow or vice versa but there will be plenty of film for them to determine things.  I do know that Oubre is the one that looks like he has a NBA level 3 pt stroke off rip and has like a 7 foot 2 wingspan.  Defensive potential seems wild.

 

Not sold on Oubre just yet. If the Lakers get a tips 5 pick. They have to look at Okafor, Towns, Johnson or Winslow... That 5th, you just have to wait until March Madness to see who got the stones to step up


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Posted November 26, 2014 - 08:44 AM

Winslow not even the best player at his position. He's not a top 5 pick. I still have Johnson, Oubre, and Looney over him. Winslow reminds me of a Jimmy Butler coming out of college. He'll be a great starter but has a low ceiling and he still struggles with shooting, offense, and free throws against great teams. But like I said before college players and teams get better throughout the season. Too early to judge now.


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Posted November 26, 2014 - 12:11 PM

I'm not sure looney is a SF in the nba

I don't love johnson, I worry he's another Michael Kidd Gilchrist

I like that Winslow plays both sides of the ball

Oubre is an offensive talent with great physical ability as well

Ideally you are in position for okafor or towns

If not hopefully one of these wings really separates from the pack by seasons end
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Posted Yesterday, 03:29 AM

1. Okafor (for now). He's gotten more athletic, so that's intriguing. Also his 12 foot J is solid so maybe he can stretch that out and be a superstar, and also a better fit next to Randle.

2. Towns -- inside/out offensive potential that Cal won't let him tap into. Potential as a shotblocker.

3. Myles Turner -- this kid is the definition of a project. If his body comes along, he should get stronger and more mobile. He's already one of the best shot blockers in the nation, he has a real talent with it. Offensively He will have 3 point range , he's close now.
Ceiling - potentially a defensive player of the year candidate with 3 point range.. Also a high post threat.

4/5. Winslow/Johnson. Not sure which one to put ahead of the other yet, rightfully so -- I think they're very similar right now. I have to watch more of them, but I'm actually excited about these two wings, and I'm picky about wings. I like wings who can create off the dribble. Both have shown flashes of being able to do that, I think they're underrated in that area. @Majesty posted a vine of Winslow going coast to coast, displaying a nice handle.
Of course, it's their defense that has them touted so highly right now. From the little that I've seen they both look LEGIT on D. They could both Jimmy Butler type impact players in the league, their offense will get there, and their D looks to be there.

6. Porzingis!!! Don't sleep on this dude from overseas. 7footer. He's kind of the European Myles Turner , and he's already athletically where Myles wants to be. Great athlete, good shooter, good on defense. Look up his videos on YouTube. He has potential to be a rim protector/stretch 5 , no doubt about it.

7.Mudiay. MEH. Doesn't use his leaping ability to finish. Scouts say he's had a lot of trouble finishing in China. Doesn't go into 5th gear on the break like a John Wall; he kind of coasts. Doesn't have an elite handle like a Kyrie.
He reminds me of Reggie Jackson. Rather just sign a PG.. He's not worth the pick with so many PGs available, don't see him being much better than those guys at all. I rather draft a 2way player like the prospects above

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Posted Yesterday, 03:49 AM

Currently, i'd go:

 

1. Towns - all about upside.

 

2-3. Okafor and Mudiay (tied). Okafor is ready but doesn't have the upside as Towns or Mudiay and isn't a great fit next to Randle. Mudiay fills a need at the point and have a lot of upside.

 

4-8. Johnson/Oubre/Winslow/Looney/Hezonja (tied). So far, i think Looney looks like the best of the bunch, but right now it's too difficult to tell who's the best. If Oubre shows promise on the defensive end, i think he gets the nod in the end.

 

9. Porzingis - not sleeping on this guy at all, but i'm always sceptic on the international prospects. I'd imagine he ends up in around a top 5 pick.

 

10. Miles Turner.



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Posted Yesterday, 03:55 AM

Yes, if we wind up having a year that we wound up with a top 5 pick  then Mudiay is probably the weakest one in the top 5.  

Not the fact that he's a dime a dozen point guard but he's having issues even in the CBA where they play no defense.  Not good. 

But when it comes down to it, there's many point guards for the taking better and more impactful than Mudiay in the off-season.  So if it came down to it there's two positions you look at, the forwards and the centers. 

I think Towns has the potential to be a 'do it all' forward/center Davis type and Okafor's potential is that of a great post player with average to below average defense like Jefferson but a little more athletic.

Winslow/Johnson are neck and neck but Winslow is slightly ahead atm but either would be a great fit next to Randle and suddenly not overpaying for multiple years on Stephenson doesn't look like such a bad idea(it already doesn't considering how little he moves the needle for Charlotte). 

But you win championships in the free agency, so, it depends who the targets are.  Our targets are centers and point guards.  Forwards like Harris and Jimmy Butler are going to be harder to take from their RFA than Jackson would be from the Thunder.  Things like that should weigh but never draft someone expecting them to be in your starting lineup and being the reason your season turns around.   Act like they'll be your weakest piece.  

If that is the case it'd be wiser for us to go after the wings in the draft and the centers and point guards in free agency.  However the one center I'd make that exception for is Towns because of his multi-purpose sense.  But I wouldn't expect much out of him the first 3 years and he'd have to stay healthy all three to benefit in the 4th, which is again, no guarantee. 


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