So Horry >Jordan>Kobe?
You don't judge individual skill by team awards & team accomplishments. The circumstances and competition are always different. And MVPs are a popularity contest for writers that people use as a statement of fact when it's just another statement of opinion.
Fans will argue all day who is better Kobe, Lebron, Jordan, Wilt, Magic, etc...and rarely will someone be swayed from their OPINION. That's all it is.
My OPINION is the difference in skillset and talent is negligible. Maybe Kobe is a better pure shooter and maybe Jordan was a better athlete...but its hardly noticable between the two. The real difference is that Jordan played the game with restraint and Kobe is a gunner at heart. You can't change that and that's why Jordan is a better player. He rarely, if ever, lost control of his game. Jordan reached the peak of his talent and Kobe never did. If Kobe had ever learned some self control on his shot selection, he may have been the greatest but its the one thing he could never master.
I wasn't talking about team awards or team accomplishments.I was talking about the man and his absolute dominance with the most clutch performances ever recorded in NBA History. His unwavering ability to achieve excellence regardless of the odds. His will to win and his ability to elevate his game to it's highest point at the most critical moment time and time again. The MVP may be arguable because it is subjective, but scoring titles are as matter a fact as it gets.
Yes, fans will argue until you go to the record look at the facts and educate yourself without any bias. Just let the numbers wash over you and cleanse you of all the flawed intuition and emotional bias. I've seen MJ double and triple teamed. Clothes lined and choked, grabbed and just thrown to the ground. And you look at MJ and he's just calm and determined. No whining to the refs on every little bit of contact.
I agree with you and Phil about Kobe and his poor decisions. Kobe has driven every coach he's had absolutely nuts. You never Heard Phil demanding that the Bulls trade Jordan, but Phil damn sure did with Kobe. Read Phil's book and then tell me who the greater player is after reading it. It has a lot to do with discipline or that lack of it to be more precise.
You ask most people and they will tell you that Kobe is the most clutch guy in the game. That however is not true, I love Kobe he's amazing, but man it's so corny to hear how Kobe's shot repertoire and footwork makes him equal to Jordan. It's about winning and making your teammates better in order to do so. Look at how the triangle ran with MJ and look at it with Kobe. It's not nearly as effective.
As for Comparing a superstar center to any guard it's a worthless comparison. Wilt had a season where he averaged 50 ppg 20 rebounds and that's before blocks were recorded. That's why it's meaningful to compare similar positions. And if we compare them between Kobe, Lebron, and MJ, MJ is still better than them all.