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#1 bumperboy1

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Posted June 17, 2014 - 10:42 AM



#2 Naismith

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Posted June 17, 2014 - 11:18 AM

Here's why MJ is the Greatest SG ever 

 

Six Finals six Rings

 

DPOY

 

League MVP 5 times

 

6 Time Finals MVP

 

10 time all NBA  First team 

 

10 Scoring Titles

 

Better career FG% Than Kobe

 

And it's just silly to  compare the teams that Kobe had to over come in the playoffs versus what Jordan had to overcome. Jordan had to overcome three Dynasty teams.  How many Dynasties did Kobe have to defeat?????????



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Posted June 17, 2014 - 11:23 AM

Here's why MJ is the Greatest SG ever

Six Finals six Rings

DPOY

League MVP 5 times

6 Time Finals MVP

10 time all NBA First team

10 Scoring Titles

Better career FG% Than Kobe

And it's just silly to compare the teams that Kobe had to over come in the playoffs versus what Jordan had to overcome. Jordan had to overcome three Dynasty teams. How many Dynasties did Kobe have to defeat?????????

Dynasties? Spurs? Sac? The big 3 C's? Portland in the early 2000s lol. There was a lot of competition.

But I do no agree with the video.

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Posted June 17, 2014 - 11:29 AM

Kobe Bryant is the greatest offensive SG ever. Jordan was simply a better all around player.



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Posted June 17, 2014 - 11:46 AM

What dynasty did MJ overcome? MJ was losing when LA, Bos, & Pistons reigned! He didnt win untill their reigns were over. MJ did not get to play a Finals vs Rox which he would have more then likely lost.

Here's why MJ is the Greatest SG ever 

 

Six Finals six Rings

 

DPOY

 

League MVP 5 times

 

6 Time Finals MVP

 

10 time all NBA  First team 

 

10 Scoring Titles

 

Better career FG% Than Kobe

 

And it's just silly to  compare the teams that Kobe had to over come in the playoffs versus what Jordan had to overcome. Jordan had to overcome three Dynasty teams.  How many Dynasties did Kobe have to defeat?????????


Edited by gque24, June 17, 2014 - 12:01 PM.

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Posted June 17, 2014 - 11:48 AM

If you look at the top defenses in NBA history, FG% wise, you'll find most of the teams at the top of that list were allowed to play zone. Though, it's not so much the "pure" zone aspects which is most effective, rather it's that a defensive player, in a number of variations, can commit to a spot on the floor instead of to a player. Essentially, for the defense, it's easier to rotate and fill gaps, while for a scoring/combo guard, the defense is harder to read.

Regardless, when comparing Kobe and Jordan as players only, the gap defensively, Jordan over Kobe, is the reason I give Jordan the edge not only above Kobe, but every guard. Offensively I don't think you can go wrong picking one over the other. Of course if you include all the accolades, it only makes Jordan's case stronger and for most, cements him as GOAT.

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Posted June 17, 2014 - 11:55 AM

Yea but MJ wasnt guarding the type of athletes Kobe has at PG, SG, & SF positions for 16 yrs

If you look at the top defenses in NBA history, FG% wise, you'll find most of the teams at the top of that list were allowed to play zone. Though, it's not so much the "pure" zone aspects which is most effective, rather it's that a defensive player, in a number of variations, can commit to a spot on the floor instead of to a player. Essentially, for the defense, it's easier to rotate and fill gaps, while for a scoring/combo guard, the defense is harder to read.

Regardless, when comparing Kobe and Jordan as players only, the gap defensively, Jordan over Kobe, is the reason I give Jordan the edge not only above Kobe, but every guard. Offensively I don't think you can go wrong picking one over the other. Of course if you include all the accolades, it only makes Jordan's case stronger and for most, cements him as GOAT.


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Posted June 17, 2014 - 11:58 AM

Here's why MJ is the Greatest SG ever 

 

Six Finals six Rings

 

DPOY

 

League MVP 5 times

 

6 Time Finals MVP

 

10 time all NBA  First team 

 

10 Scoring Titles

 

Better career FG% Than Kobe

 

And it's just silly to  compare the teams that Kobe had to over come in the playoffs versus what Jordan had to overcome. Jordan had to overcome three Dynasty teams.  How many Dynasties did Kobe have to defeat?????????

Agreed with everything you said until the bolded. What three dynasties did he overcome during his run? In fact the only team they ever beat that had even won a championship within a few years of playing them was their first one against the Lakers. And the Lakers were old and hadn't won in three years by that point.

 

Kobe meanwhile has played his entire career in a ridiculously competitive Western Conference. Playing in the same era as a Spurs dynasty. So the competition argument is not even close,,,, but yeah Jordan is the greatest 2 of all-time and I'm saying that as a Kobe fan.



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Posted June 17, 2014 - 12:02 PM

Dynasties? Spurs? Sac? The big 3 C's? Portland in the early 2000s lol. There was a lot of competition.

But I do no agree with the video.

Kobe did not play the same level of competition is the playoffs period.

Yea but MJ wasnt guarding the type of athletes Kobe has at PG, SG, & SF positions for 16 yrs

Let's not get carried away with the 16 years of solid defense. Kobe had about 10 years of good defense in my view the other years were pretty selective according to injuries and offensive gaps due to lack of a consistently viable second and third scoring options. Jordan was a two way player in the truest sense of the word.



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Posted June 17, 2014 - 12:05 PM

Yea but MJ wasnt guarding the type of athletes Kobe has at PG, SG, & SF positions for 16 yrs

 

Also revisionist history has forgotten that Pippen drew the other team's best offensive player more often than not. Kobe never had a HOF lockdown defender to take that pressure off him on a nightly basis. Jordan was an all world defensive player but it definitely helps your offensive game to have Pippen pick up the ball on the other end for extended periods of time.



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Posted June 17, 2014 - 12:32 PM

Agreed with everything you said until the bolded. What three dynasties did he overcome during his run? In fact the only team they ever beat that had even won a championship within a few years of playing them was their first one against the Lakers. And the Lakers were old and hadn't won in three years by that point.

 

Kobe meanwhile has played his entire career in a ridiculously competitive Western Conference. Playing in the same era as a Spurs dynasty. So the competition argument is not even close,,,, but yeah Jordan is the greatest 2 of all-time and I'm saying that as a Kobe fan.

I'd rate those 80's Celtics teams higher than any of the Spurs teams. same with the Pistons teams they were just better in my view than any of the teams Kobe faced, and I think the 91 team was a pretty good team as Well they just ran into Jordan and the Bulls who were by far the class of the NBA at that point.


Edited by Naismith, June 17, 2014 - 12:33 PM.


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Posted June 17, 2014 - 12:34 PM

Also revisionist history has forgotten that Pippen drew the other team's best offensive player more often than not. Kobe never had a HOF lockdown defender to take that pressure off him on a nightly basis. Jordan was an all world defensive player but it definitely helps your offensive game to have Pippen pick up the ball on the other end for extended periods of time.

So the guy has to be a hall of famer to qualify as an elite defender?  You sure tried hard to minimize the impact of Ron Artest who guarded the best offensive player routinely for Kobe? Kobe wasn't guarding the best offensive player either so I don't understand why you even bothered to make the point, but I'm the revisionist :clap2:


Edited by Naismith, June 17, 2014 - 12:39 PM.


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Posted June 17, 2014 - 12:45 PM

Kobe had a prime Artest as an elite denfender for him? No he did not so dont try it

So the guy has to be a hall of famer to qualify as an elite defender?  You sure tried hard to minimize the impact of Ron Artest who guarded the best offensive player routinely for Kobe? Kobe wasn't guarding the best offensive player either so I don't understand why you even bothered to make the point, but I'm the revisionist :clap2:


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Posted June 17, 2014 - 12:50 PM

Kobe had a prime Artest as an elite denfender for him? No he did not so dont try it

Who said prime? Artest's defense is the principle reason for beating the Celtics and bringing Los Angeles another title. In Fact Artest was brought into to replace Ariza because the LAKERS  had no answer for Paul Pierce. Artest routinely picked up the oppositions best offensive weapon night in and night out.


Edited by Naismith, June 17, 2014 - 12:50 PM.


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Posted June 17, 2014 - 01:03 PM

Person above mentioned having a prime Pippen for MJ during his reign! Artest defense was never lock down as a Laker. Ariza was far better on both sides of teh ball.

Who said prime? Artest's defense is the principle reason for beating the Celtics and bringing Los Angeles another title. In Fact Artest was brought into to replace Ariza because the LAKERS  had no answer for Paul Pierce. Artest routinely picked up the oppositions best offensive weapon night in and night out.


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Posted June 17, 2014 - 01:05 PM

This thread comes up every damn offseason 

 

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Posted June 17, 2014 - 01:06 PM

Who said prime? Artest's defense is the principle reason for beating the Celtics and bringing Los Angeles another title. In Fact Artest was brought into to replace Ariza because the LAKERS  had no answer for Paul Pierce. Artest routinely picked up the oppositions best offensive weapon night in and night out.

 

Or Perking missing a pivotal game 7 and Bynum not being trash.



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Posted June 17, 2014 - 01:07 PM

Mj is the best

 

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Posted June 17, 2014 - 01:08 PM

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Posted June 17, 2014 - 01:12 PM

funny how people still think MJ is still untouchable and uncomparable

 

league season MVP's are a joke.

 

Jordan never played with shaq who would be more of a dominant co player than MJ has ever played with, including the almighty "pippen".  So, I easily feel he would have less NBA Final MVPs.

 

Jordan was a marketing genius so it was literally his league so things were handed to him in more ways than one.

 

 

Lastly, does not mean Jordan shouldn't be considered the top SG but there are factors to be looked at


Edited by RobBlake, June 17, 2014 - 01:22 PM.

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